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#1 Oct 16 2010 at 1:24 PM Rating: Default
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We saw a couple of very obvious bots farming some cave near bloodshore, they farmed 24/7, have eteryrygth style names and don't talk, the monsters they were killing were around 10 levels lower than them. They were level 26 at the time. These bots are programmed to move, so they just stand in 1 spot within range of monsters using tab and attack.

Reported them to the GM's in game, this was over a week ago. GM replied, said they don't deal with it, and to report to the task force, so I did this, like 10 days later, these same bots can now be found in a higher level area using the exact same botting technique they were using before. They're both now level 33.

Waste of time to report them, SE doesn't care.
#2 Oct 16 2010 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree that it seems like their "Special Task Force" is just as good as their customer service (total crap).

Why is it so hard for them to investigate something that is obvious bot/hacking?
#3 Oct 16 2010 at 2:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Reported them to the GM's in game, this was over a week ago. GM replied, said they don't deal with it, and to report to the task force, so I did this, like 10 days later, these same bots can now be found in a higher level area using the exact same botting technique they were using before. They're both now level 33.


a) even if they are bots as long as someone is there to respond to a GM tell even if not controlling the char it's perfectly legal.
b) Square have far more important things to worry about atm than some bots, like fixing the game so they don't lose all their customers.
c) be careful what you wish for, on FFXI the special task force went overboard and banned regular players on more than one occasion, being wrongfully banned on a Square game is not something you want to happen. Reversing it is a huge task.
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#4 Oct 16 2010 at 2:18 PM Rating: Good
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preludes wrote:

b) Square have far more important things to worry about atm than some bots, like fixing the game so they don't lose all their customers.


In a company, especially of Squeenix's size, you delegate work. The people that ban bots are not the same people as the ones that do bug fixes.

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a) even if they are bots as long as someone is there to respond to a GM tell even if not controlling the char it's perfectly legal.


And that's bullsh*t too.

Edited, Oct 16th 2010 4:18pm by Meowshi
#5 Oct 16 2010 at 2:40 PM Rating: Default
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this is'nt nothing new, se reliability is very poor there definition in violation is blurred, misconstrued.

Our Definition of Inappropriate Behavior
Disturbances that do not fall under the harassment category but are intended to prevent or hinder game play for others are considered inappropriate. Examples of inappropriate behavior are spam, gridlocking, and scam. FINAL FANTASY XIV respect individual player’s unique play style. However, GM may take action to players whose play style prevents other player’s game play.

Spam
Spamming (or spimming) is the act of using open chat channels to excessively repeat the same phrase or action. Spamming prevents other players from chatting or otherwise reading their chat logs effectively.
have'nt seen anything done about this.

Gridlocking
Gridlocking refers to a player or group of players that gather in a passage in an attempt to prevent others from entering.
this is every where and have yet to see anything done about it

Our Definition of RMT
RMT is defined as the selling and buying of virtual assets for real-world money. Virtual assets can include, but is not limited to:

•In-game Currency (Gil)<-- spam tediously nothing has been done.


•In-game Service <--- this has been spam tediously nothing has been done with players and retainers.

and this is there motto is " We have a zero tolerance policy for RMT." i say yeah B.S.

I have yet to see hardly any of this enforce in ffxi and ffxiv. there quicker to jail or ban you for dice random then anything else.
#6 Oct 16 2010 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
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If SE doesn't give two ***** about gil sellers or bots, what would be better? One ****, or three *****?
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#7 Oct 16 2010 at 3:04 PM Rating: Decent
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preludes wrote:

a) even if they are bots as long as someone is there to respond to a GM tell even if not controlling the char it's perfectly legal.


And that's bullsh*t too.


Is it? Every time a GM checks on a botter they either try to talk to them or ask them to do something, nothing else. So botting or not as long as you are watching over those bots and can respond there is nothing they can do.

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Spamming (or spimming) is the act of using open chat channels to excessively repeat the same phrase or action. Spamming prevents other players from chatting or otherwise reading their chat logs effectively.
have'nt seen anything done about this.

Gridlocking
Gridlocking refers to a player or group of players that gather in a passage in an attempt to prevent others from entering.
this is every where and have yet to see anything done about it

Our Definition of RMT
RMT is defined as the selling and buying of virtual assets for real-world money. Virtual assets can include, but is not limited to:

•In-game Currency (Gil)<-- spam tediously nothing has been done.


•In-game Service <--- this has been spam tediously nothing has been done with players and retainers.

and this is there motto is " We have a zero tolerance policy for RMT." i say yeah B.S.

I have yet to see hardly any of this enforce in ffxi and ffxiv. there quicker to jail or ban you for dice random then anything else.


They only take action on spam and gridlocking if you report it and they see a violation after that, they don't look for it on their own. I've known of people getting temp bans for spamming emotes and other stuff.

They don't ban RMT in 1s and 2s, they do it at specific times in the month and take out batches of them, which is why it may seem as if nothing is done(if the special task force even still exists or operates in the same way). That's how they did it on FFXI at least. The special task force used to give monthly reports on number of bannings of rmt and gil removed etc, they lost intrest after a while and stopped but still.
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#8 Oct 16 2010 at 3:28 PM Rating: Default
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We saw a couple of very obvious bots farming some cave near bloodshore, they farmed 24/7, have eteryrygth style names and don't talk, the monsters they were killing were around 10 levels lower than them. They were level 26 at the time. These bots are programmed to move, so they just stand in 1 spot within range of monsters using tab and attack.

Reported them to the GM's in game, this was over a week ago. GM replied, said they don't deal with it, and to report to the task force, so I did this, like 10 days later, these same bots can now be found in a higher level area using the exact same botting technique they were using before. They're both now level 33.

Waste of time to report them, SE doesn't care.


1: Bots=/=RMT RMT=/=Bots

2: What do you mean very obvious bots? Too you? by your definition? Because i'm sure if someone saw me the last few days they could say i'm a bot since all i did was spam synth for like 8 hours straight...am I a bot? A gil seller?

3: What proof do you have they arn't just players mules? I know you site there name as proof of RMT, but in XI i knew some characters with RMT looking names who were legit.

4: Here is the deal with RMT in this game, there is no area or region of the game they can currently dominate for gain. Currently the only thing they can do is exactly what we as players can do. Farm, synth, gather, or level. They can not monopolize a mining location because anyone can use it...so anything they can get you can get. It's not like were talking about Argus here with like 6-7 bots camping it 24/7. What we have here is someone who is camping Argus 24/7 but if they claim you can claim and fight as well, with both of you being awarded a prize.

5: You will never stop gil selling, or RMT'n of accounts, gil, or in game items...sorry as long as people see the short cut button to the end they will use it every time. The only thing YOU can do is not purchase gil from them, and watch their habits, copy them, make money with them.

Lastly, I'm sure this is the reason why you are sub-default....Who the **** cares about RMT???? At this point in the game they arn't ruining or doing anything. Make a GM call on ppl you believe to be violating the T.O.S. and let SE deal with them. Just because you think you see RMT doesn't mean it is.

Also as stated above, careful what you wish for. You start smashing the ban hammer against suspected RMT and suspected methods of making gil you're going to smash legit players as well. Better to let 10 RMTs go than ban 1 innocent account I.M.H.O.
#9 Oct 16 2010 at 3:32 PM Rating: Default
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I have reported it, and they can see violation but they choose not to implement any of the rules, that why i say se policy is nothing more then mere BS.

in regards to that note, there was a moment where an area was so clutter by sellers blocking the entrance way to the market i had difficulty moving, i called it in, reported it and in return there replied was there no action that can be taken if you want you can move to a new area?

if this is there solution to a problem this game has no chance of ever surviving.

why should i move to another area to were im suppose to go for something while they clearly let ppl clutter that area to sell and make it intolerable to get threw, this is no rolonberry field like in ffxi its with in the city entrance walls for god sakes in the middle of a high traffic area.

as for reporting spam, a few ppl spamming for an hr about power leveling and gill continued to spam even after i reported that and replies were try moving to a new area? wtf is purpose of having any rules or policy or gms, if there only feedback is in unintelligible "try moving to another area" answer. it seem more like they dumb down the the ppl in se.

Edited, Oct 16th 2010 5:34pm by gaiaxzero
#10 Oct 16 2010 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
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gaiaxzero wrote:
I have reported it, and they can see violation but they choose not to implement any of the rules, that why i say se policy is nothing more then mere BS.

in regards to that note, there was a moment where an area was so clutter by sellers blocking the entrance way to the market i had difficulty moving, i called it in, reported it and in return there replied was there no action that can be taken if you want you can move to a new area?

if this is there solution to a problem this game has no chance of ever surviving.

why should i move to another area to were im suppose to go for something while they clearly let ppl clutter that area to sell and make it intolerable to get threw, this is no rolonberry field like in ffxi its with in the city entrance walls for god sakes in the middle of a high traffic area.

as for reporting spam, a few ppl spamming for an hr about power leveling and gill continued to spam even after i reported that and replies were try moving to a new area? wtf is purpose of having any rules or policy or gms, if there only feedback is in unintelligible "try moving to another area" answer. it seem more like they dumb down the the ppl in se.

Edited, Oct 16th 2010 5:34pm by gaiaxzero


You have no proof other than ppls names that what they are doing is RMT. Power leveling is not against T.O.S. and if you GM'd them about spam and GM's didn't stop it, it's because it wasn't against T.O.S. It may be annoying to you, but it's not wrong. That is your major problem in your argument. Unless a player specifically came up to you and in /tell said hey buy all my gil for this much USD. SE can't just ban people every time "RMT" label is thrown on them. We'd throw it on legit players.
Like the GM said if it's that annoying to you move to a different area.
#11 Oct 16 2010 at 3:51 PM Rating: Decent
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a) even if they are bots as long as someone is there to respond to a GM tell even if not controlling the char it's perfectly legal.


And that's bullsh*t too.


Is it? Every time a GM checks on a botter they either try to talk to them or ask them to do something, nothing else. So botting or not as long as you are watching over those bots and can respond there is nothing they can do.


Your statement was that it's "perfectly legal" to bot as long as you can respond to a GM. You're wrong. Nothing makes botting legal. It's why the knuckleheads around here talking about how they wanted a Windower plugin that auto-attacked for them made me shake my head. A bot is a bot is a bot whether you're away from the keyboard or not.
#12 Oct 16 2010 at 3:58 PM Rating: Default
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gaiaxzero wrote:
I have reported it, and they can see violation but they choose not to implement any of the rules, that why i say se policy is nothing more then mere BS.

in regards to that note, there was a moment where an area was so clutter by sellers blocking the entrance way to the market i had difficulty moving, i called it in, reported it and in return there replied was there no action that can be taken if you want you can move to a new area?

if this is there solution to a problem this game has no chance of ever surviving.

why should i move to another area to were im suppose to go for something while they clearly let ppl clutter that area to sell and make it intolerable to get threw, this is no rolonberry field like in ffxi its with in the city entrance walls for god sakes in the middle of a high traffic area.

as for reporting spam, a few ppl spamming for an hr about power leveling and gill continued to spam even after i reported that and replies were try moving to a new area? wtf is purpose of having any rules or policy or gms, if there only feedback is in unintelligible "try moving to another area" answer. it seem more like they dumb down the the ppl in se.

Edited, Oct 16th 2010 5:34pm by gaiaxzero


You have no proof other than ppls names that what they are doing is RMT. Power leveling is not against T.O.S. and if you GM'd them about spam and GM's didn't stop it, it's because it wasn't against T.O.S.
of curse it against it, said it right in there. but GM are lazy, and unreliable.

It may be annoying to you, but it's not wrong. That is your major problem in your argument.
    in what way


Unless a player specifically came up to you and in /tell said hey buy all my gil for this much USD. SE can't just ban people every time "RMT" label is thrown on them who throwing lables? and where did you get this from?. We'd throw it on legit players.

Like the GM said if it's that annoying to you move to a different area.

what you speak of and what im saying are two different things.

did i say it was about power leveling, no i mention it was the abuse of spamming of it that is the problem and that is the violation in it self. you can power level all you want, i just dont want ppl to spam about it constantly and see it fill up my **** chat screen. every thing is recorded and log, so i have all the prof i need and so do they.

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Edited, Oct 16th 2010 6:13pm by gaiaxzero
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