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#1 Oct 17 2010 at 2:11 AM Rating: Decent
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I am not sure whats happening with my computer. It seemed to me no matter what settings I put the game on, highest or lowest, I was getting the same FPS everywhere I went (between 20-25FPS, so enough to chop a bit, but not enough to be unable to play). I downloaded fraps to test this, and sure enough no matter what setting I put it on I was getting constantly between 18-22 FPS in busy areas (like camp bearded rock, and in LL) and between 20-25 FPS away from the camps. I tested this with Anti aliasing on both 8QAA, 4xAA, 2xAA,and no AA. With Shadows, textures, and texture filters on all settings and im getting the same FPS every time (both windowed and full screen at 1600x900 and 1280x720). What could it be? I really would like to have a constant FPS of 30+ to play this game. Im getting a bit frustrated. I'll put my computer specs below.

AMD Phenom II x4 955 @ 3.2Ghz
ATI Radeon HD 4870 (clocked to 800Mhz GPU, 1100Mhz VRAM)
4GB DDR2 PC6400 Ram
Seagate ST3100528AS; 32MB Cache; 1TB Capacity
Windows 64-Bit Vista Home Premium
550 Watt power supply

I'm thinking it either has to have something to do with the slower RAM, or maybe this game just doesn't like Vista. The CPU and GPU are only at about 60% activity, so I don't think it is an issue with those, and the hard drive is literally 2 days old (I thought that it might have been my old hard drive (5 years) not keeping up, so I upgraded) so I don't think it is that either. Let me know if you have any suggestions. Thanks, I appreciate it!
#2 Oct 17 2010 at 12:24 PM Rating: Good
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If you would, download and run the FFXIV Benchmark. Make 2 passes on the low resolution setting and then make 2 passes on the high resolution setting. If the score for the low resolution and high resolution are close to each other, ie: low = 2000 score, high = 1900 score, then you have a bottleneck issue with your hardware. Either the cpu is not fast enough or the video card is not fast enough. I suspect the video card.

Might try different drivers, too. Just because the lastest release is the latest does not mean they are the best for your card. I get better frame rates from older drivers with my set up than I do with the newer drivers.

I have a P4 3.2, 2 gigs of low latency ram, WinXP Pro SP 3, and a HD 3850. My low and high scores are within 100 points of each other. Overclocking my cpu raises both high and low scores so my cpu is the bottleneck. Once my cpu overclock reaches 3.8g, my scores no longer rise thus indicating my video card now becomes the bottleneck. If I then overclock my video card, the scores will rise again.

Something you might try to get your fps into a better min/max average.
#3 Oct 17 2010 at 2:29 PM Rating: Decent
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3600 score on low. I get this (within 50) every time (I can't run the high quality test because my monitor only supports 1600x900, and I can't move the window enough to see the score). But yes, what you're saying does make sense, i've got the black edition CPU so overclocking is really easy, i'll OC it a bit and see if that helps. I really don't think the video card is the issue tho, because it would be running at a higher load and running hotter than it actually is. Thanks for the advice. If this doesn't work i'm gonna say ***** it and just get a new motherboard, and upgrade to windows 7. I'm still running an AM2+ motherboard with a AM3 processor (yay new bios) which only supports DDR2 Ram. This could also be my issue now that I think of it. My motherboard might not be able to run the CPU as well as it should. Oh well putting in better ram and a better OS couldn't hurt. Then if i STILL have this problem I will know for sure it's my video card, I still just don't see it being that tho.
#4 Oct 17 2010 at 3:28 PM Rating: Good
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Milebrega wrote:

AMD Phenom II x4 955 @ 3.2Ghz
ATI Radeon HD 4870 (clocked to 800Mhz GPU, 1100Mhz VRAM)
4GB DDR2 PC6400 Ram
Seagate ST3100528AS; 32MB Cache; 1TB Capacity
Windows 64-Bit Vista Home Premium
550 Watt power supply



I'm not saying that an HD 4870 is a bad card but it's seriously not strong enought to run FFXIV
with AA, shadows and such. Also i would verify that ambient oclusion and deep of field are
both disable cause these 2 parameters are PC Killer even for High-End computer

Hope this help
#5 Oct 17 2010 at 4:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Okay, so I did see my high quality benchmark, just barely. 3800 Low quality, 2300 High quality. The video card being weak doesn't explain why it run the same FPS when everything is maxed, as when everything is on the lowest. If it was the video card, maximum settings would be a lot slower than lowest settings. This is not the case, they are the exact same FPS. I have even tried putting the buffer size from resolution to half, and still get the same FPS. AMbient oclusion is always off, as I see it as 100% unneccesary, and I have tested with depth of field on and off, still no difference.
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#6 Oct 17 2010 at 4:30 PM Rating: Default
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v-sync also locks you fps to your screen refresh. and you not gonna run smooth due to the lag you cant help that.

Edited, Oct 17th 2010 6:31pm by mitmystria
#7 Oct 17 2010 at 4:34 PM Rating: Decent
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That and my cousins 9800GTX gets better FPS than my HD 4870, which my card is better than his (I've benchmarked both with passmark, and read a lot about them). I'm just gonna upgrade those other few things (OS, Ram, Motherboard), and if THAT fails then i'll sell the video card on craigs list and upgrade that. But really, when my card is well above the recommended settings, and it chops on every setting, I don't think it's the card. Well i'll let you all know when I upgrade those things... lol and i'll probably be wiping all the egg off my face because you two are right and im wrong.
The game is still easily playable tho, it's just a little bit annoying. That and the game recommends having at Windows 7. Vista is a minimum requirement. Putting Windows 7 on should give me 10-15% performance boost, or so I have been told and read.
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#8 Oct 17 2010 at 4:37 PM Rating: Decent
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mitmystria, so you think it might be the server keeping my FPS down? I did notice that when the game chops my latency usually goes from 250 - 650, but I thought that was because my computer chopped, not because the server was lagging... Hmm, didn't think of that... Well i'm still going to upgrade, my motherboard is about 3 years old (same with the ram) so its time... and I like Windows 7 a lot more than Vista.
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#9 Oct 17 2010 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Milebrega wrote:
mitmystria, so you think it might be the server keeping my FPS down? I did notice that when the game chops my latency usually goes from 250 - 650, but I thought that was because my computer chopped, not because the server was lagging... Hmm, didn't think of that... Well i'm still going to upgrade, my motherboard is about 3 years old (same with the ram) so its time... and I like Windows 7 a lot more than Vista.


It's true that the Mb and Ram can hold some performance but its illogic that you get the same fps no matters the option you are selecting. Before buying anything i would suggest to uninstall drivers and cleen with drivers swiffer and reinstall them. If nothing change, this might look dumb but i recently had somehow the same problem and it was due to my proc overheating at 75c i changed the heatsing and everything went alright.
#10 Oct 17 2010 at 9:21 PM Rating: Good
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Have you you updated your video card drivers? Latest is 10.9 [with a leaked 10.10 version out there that allegedly adds a decent performance boost for FFXIV]

Drivers can ABSOLUTELY make a difference.
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#11 Oct 17 2010 at 10:09 PM Rating: Decent
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what the last poster said about drivers, you should be getting better fps than that out in the open.
the 4870 still performs on par with the 5770 just runs hotter and I've gotten 60 fps in the open with only one of my 5770 running.

other than that I really can't say what it might be other than you have ambient occlusion on or something.

also, you could try overclocking the cpu a smidge, go to bios and set the voltage to 1.350 (thats stock voltage so no harm will come to it) then take the multiplier up a bit to run it at 3.6ghz.

it can do that with no voltage increase so no extra heat. its a nice free 400mhz and would rule out a bottle neck on the cpu part (although 3.2 should be fine for a single 4870).
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