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#1 Oct 17 2010 at 5:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Honestly I want to love this game but I hate playing so much. I'm just kind of ... not playing until we get more updates, I try my best but I keep logging off really quickly. I got a few classes to rank 8 or so and I got rank 12 gladiator and that's it. lol.

What level are all of you? and btw are you enjoying levelling up or are all the high levels just FF11 fans forcing themselves to grind so that they'll have fun in the future? I want to do that but playing is just so boring right now sigh.

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#2 Oct 17 2010 at 5:45 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm enjoying it. I admit sometimes the grind seems eccessive and players are not that willing to team up (I don't get why, since it's the best way to get exp) and they prefer to solo. JPONRY is still everywhere, furthermore. I think the game really needs a tutorial explaining how to use the recruit function for parties. It's amazing, and no one seems to be using it.

That being said, you are level 12 and moaning. Really, i'd reconsider your idea to play this game. It's plenty of good MMORPGs out there, most of them are way better than this one. If you haven't been caught by the game yet, it's blatantly time to change, at lest for some time.

That being said, I suggest you to try to get rank 15, where the story begins to be amazing.

****, I'm going to open a topic just to say that the story in this game is amazing.
#3 Oct 17 2010 at 5:46 AM Rating: Decent
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well it's not like I'm only level 12 because of the grind. It's just my whole experience that's not fun on XIV. I find myself bored and wanna log off quickly.

but I am interested in the story, I guess I should level up a bit more and see what else I can get in terms of cutscenes/scenarios

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#4 Oct 17 2010 at 5:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Have been killing random stuff with my friends (duo,trio and four player parties) and have gotten rank 20-24 in about 5 days. Make some friends, talk to people at camps or while out killing. That's how I meet people. Everything is easier and a lot more fun while having someone to play with.
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#5 Oct 17 2010 at 5:50 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd consider to come back in some time, when the game gets in a better shape. Launch is a critical point in a MMORPG's life and forcing yourself could ruin all the enjoyment you could get in 6 months. Seriously, no point in being one of the first if you are not wnjoying it. Considering there is nothing but grind out there.
#6 Oct 17 2010 at 6:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm trying quite hard to. Although the lack of good "skill points" camps for certain levels and the whole doing less damage for more skill points thing just really really makes things not so enjoyable.
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#7 Oct 17 2010 at 6:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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im rank 25 conjurer and leveling up has never been so hard and unenjoyable. soloing is out. duoing is out. its guildleves at hard difficulties and huge parties where i get the best experience frmo and those are not easy to come by and im in 3 ls's in which 2 of them are at full capacity and cant invite more players. this is a huge problem for me. i just want to be able to level up. is that asking too much, SE?
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#8 Oct 17 2010 at 7:59 AM Rating: Decent
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I am level 20 Thaum, I have set up several grinding parties and its horribly slow..
Pretty much Leve's are about the best way I have found to get EXP ( I am sure someone will come on here and claim they have a camp that gets 10000000000000000sp/hr)
#9 Oct 17 2010 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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Don't play an MMO for the story. There will never be a story so good that it could justify spending the amount of time an MMO does doing non-story stuff (grinding, making money, crafting, etc) in a game you don't enjoy worthwhile. Play if you enjoy the game, otherwise don't waste what could be hundred or thousands of hours of your life doing something you don't enjoy. The story can be read online shortly in the future if you really feel you must witness it.
#10 Oct 17 2010 at 8:50 AM Rating: Decent
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I've been leveling up very slowly, I have a hard time taking myself to play since there is so little content, and 2 out of 3 fights I get 0 SP WITH guardians aspect, and that one fight that I do get SP it' less than 100.

I still have trouble getting new weapons and gear, and I've yet to find a party, though I miss enemies weaker than me so much that I couldn't imagine even hitting the enemies that parties would fight.
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#11 Oct 17 2010 at 8:54 AM Rating: Good
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I hit a wall too.

My main is ARC23. I'm taking other classes to levels where i can get useful abilities but generally its impossible to connect with other players for groups/behests/etc. Occasionally I get a decent trio but its slow and agonizing.

The game needs a LFG feature desperately. There are thousands of players logged in every day, i shouldnt NEED to be in someone's LS to get some SP. Everyone in the game is trying to level now, why is it so difficult?
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#12 Oct 17 2010 at 9:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I haven't purchased the game yet, I'm keeping up on here deciding when a good time to buy it will be.

Based on these comments it almost makes me wonder if anyone from SE actually played past level 25. If it's this difficult to get any experience (let alone decent experience), how do testers overlook something like that? It doesn't even make sense to me.

Some of the apparent problems with the game make sense, because many of them are innovative and a matter of opinion, so perhaps SE wanted them that way. But how could SE want to make it near-impossible to level up past a mere 25? Can anyone around 25 let us know if you AREN'T having problems levelling, so perhaps we can figure out if these people are just doing something wrong?

Are you guys equipping gear appropriate for your level?
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#14 Oct 17 2010 at 9:28 AM Rating: Decent
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I hit a wall too.

My main is ARC23. I'm taking other classes to levels where i can get useful abilities but generally its impossible to connect with other players for groups/behests/etc. Occasionally I get a decent trio but its slow and agonizing.

The game needs a LFG feature desperately. There are thousands of players logged in every day, i shouldnt NEED to be in someone's LS to get some SP. Everyone in the game is trying to level now, why is it so difficult?



there is a partying feature, playerbase needs to learn about it and how to use it. Seriously, the recruit sistem sounds extremely good and avoids party leader to start searching continously for replacements. Just start recruiting that class, players will join you. I'd love this sistem if someone but the JPONRY whould use it.

Edited, Oct 17th 2010 5:29pm by Filanthil
#15 Oct 17 2010 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Filanthil wrote:
... there is a partying feature, playerbase needs to learn about it and how to use it... the recruit sistem sounds extremely good and avoids party leader to start searching continuously for replacements. Just start recruiting that class, players will join you. I'd love this sistem if someone but the JPONRY would use it.
'sounds' good? 'would' use it? You obviously haven't used it yourself! And how do you know the JP are using it?

Care to enlighten the ignorant NA playerbase on the subtleties and proper usage of this illustrious system? ... i mean 'sistem'?

I have tried the recruitment feature on several different occasions. It says 'recruiting...' then never does anything else. In addition, the search criteria omit the option for 'Skill Points Group' and only allows you to choose specific leves. I have tried to look for leves around the level range of my character, so I can find people and suggest an SP grind, but guess what? If you don't HAVE the leve in your log currently, you can't use it to search by.

Of course, you are aware of all this since you have such extensive experience with it.
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#16 Oct 17 2010 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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my apologies, "would use it" it's because I'm not a native speaker and i simply messed up.

Anyway, replying to your points:
-when you activate the recruit system it means it's working. Basically it avoids you to keep on searching people to join you. You just set the call, keep on doing your stuff (partying, crafting while waiting, soloing) and when someone searches for a party will see your recruitment. If they are interested, they'll join.

-there is no "exp" option in the search function because it's the standard one. Just leave that field blank and specify camp in description. I think it's pretty obvious that we'll gather together in parties to exp, mainly.

About your strategy in searching people, i think that even shouting at camps could be a more viable solution.

The problem is that at the moment, at least on my server, only the JP playerbase uses this sYstem (you were so nice and kind underlining my typos... >.>) and they specify "japanese only" and add some other informations in their language. If the english speaking playerbase starts to use this tool too, than you'll have no troubles finding leveling parties (and, of course, same goes for me).

Edited, Oct 17th 2010 6:39pm by Filanthil
#17 Oct 17 2010 at 10:46 AM Rating: Decent
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All right. I'll try it again. Thanks for the information.
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#18 Oct 17 2010 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Good luck, I had none yet...
#19 Oct 17 2010 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Exactly my point >_<
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#20 Oct 17 2010 at 11:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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I got to LNC14 but holy god it's getting slow, and I don't really have the tolerance to maneuver through the UI for these large of TNLs.
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#21 Oct 17 2010 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
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25LNC here, solo is bit too slow now to be viable.
The party recruit tool would be suprisingly useful if people started using it. Logged on during JP prime, pressed search for my class and out popped about 8 parties. Clicked through to see descriptions; most were JPONLY.
We must have gotten different manuals or something as I've yet to see any parties forming from it in NA prime.
Good news is, recently I've noticed a lot of players around their 20's shout for group at aetherytes and EXP spots; means there is definitely a lot of interest for EXP parties instead of solo levelling.

Edited, Oct 17th 2010 1:49pm by sylph19
#22 Oct 17 2010 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm definitely enjoying myself. Had one mega grind session and got my Thaum up to 20 for siphon MP, now I'm grinding Carp to 20 so I can make wands, then back to my true love - Conj, gonna take that all the way to 50.

Unfortunately my leveling is going to temporarily halt staring tomorrow, 1 week of biz trip, then 2 on vacation in Japan. But I'm totally looking forward to getting back to leveling! Not sure why you're not having fun, I'm having a blast, soloing, partying, leving, crafting, story questing, there is so much to do!
#23HallieXIV, Posted: Oct 17 2010 at 4:49 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This!
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I have read about 100,000 threads over the last few weeks written by people complaining about the lack of search function and poor party formation tools. WHen I posted a guide explaining how to use this function (which was cut and past from The Lodestone), not a single person commented and the complaining continued on threads that were adjacent to mine.

There is a party formation tool - its just that people would rather complain about the game and say there isnt one rather than work out how to use it.

THis is the fundemental problem though with many of the people on these forums. If it isnt served up on a plate, they would rather hate the game than work it out for themselves.

UGH, i have used it, and its crap. its overly complicated. plus, there is no LFP option so that you can go around soloing while a group recruits YOU. why not have LFM AND LFP options? its @#%^ing stupid.
and handed to us on a plate? WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS THE UI IT BETTER BE HANDED TO ME ON A ******* SILVER PLATTER.

Edited, Oct 17th 2010 7:03pm by pixelpop
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#25 Oct 17 2010 at 5:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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HallieXIV wrote:
... I posted a guide explaining how to use [the LFG] function (which was cut and past from The Lodestone)... people would rather complain about the game and say there isnt one rather than work out how to use it... This is the fundemental problem though with many of the people on these forums. If it isnt served up on a plate, they would rather hate the game than work it out for themselves.
Actually, isn't the fundamental problem that the game is aggressively under explained with little to no documentation, a poor UI and counter intuitive design? SE's statement of promises was great, sure - But don't forget that just last week the game was getting slammed by every magazine and site that reviewed it and nothing has actually changed yet, except our perception of what's to come.

It's great that you cut and pasted a guide form The Lodestone. Why was a guide even necessary? Why wasn't the feature to facilitate communication and connection between players in an MMO explained in the manual? Why wasn't there more ingame support for it? Why isn't it easier to use?

Working out class mechanics, encounter strategies and theorycrafting is fine, but you really think something as essential to an MMOs success as the ability to locate and group with other players should be 'worked out on your own'? Absurd.

You REALLY think the problem is with everyone else - except YOU of course - but not the game?
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#26 Oct 17 2010 at 5:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Not meaning to sound like a prick but I always laugh when everyone shouts about not having any instructions for the game but all I remember from when FFXI came out was 1000's of threads that said lolbradyguide

Now it seems everyone would die for a Brady guide.

Not meaning anything by this just funny to me.
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Not meaning to sound like a prick but I always laugh when everyone shouts about not having any instructions for the game but all I remember from when FFXI came out was 1000's of threads that said lolbradyguide

Now it seems everyone would die for a Brady guide.

Not meaning anything by this just funny to me.


I think most people would of been happy with a useful manual that came with the game. The manual that came with FFXI was 162 pages long. The Bradyguide was flawed in some respects but did have some useful info in it.
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#28 Oct 17 2010 at 6:51 PM Rating: Decent
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The games Meh right now. I'm not having a great time playing, but I'm not having as awful a time as people make it out to be either.

I've survived worse mmo launches, I'll survive this one aswell.
I have sleeping problems so it helps pass the time when my girls away or sleeping.
I'm usually watching/listening to some random movie on netflix while I play.

I am currently (i believe. I'm at work so this is off the top of my head)
14PGL, 10/12?GLD, 15MNG, 14LWR, 12?BSM, 10/12?GLDS, 9WVR, 7FSH, 4CRP, 4ALCH

Yeah, I'm all over the place right?

Everyone I know is holding out for the PS3 release so I'm just laying back takin my time until all my friends and my LS arrive so I we can all play together. All MMOs are boring without friends to play with. That's the downside to them making XIV so solo friendly. Everyone solos, everyone gets bored and then everyone whines.

It'll be better when everyone I know finally gets on. That and I'll take all their money outfitting them all with gear. Muahahaha


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#29 Oct 17 2010 at 7:00 PM Rating: Good
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I really can't bring myself to log in most days. Skillup wise, I feel leves arent worth my time, and I really don't feel I can get anything significant done in less than a few hours.
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I'm leveling fine no problem. Usually I only get about 4-5 hours of play time per day and it usually goes something like this:

Leves (all 3 cities)
Factions (if you've got the points for it)

With just this, I usually get around 5-8k SP (maybe more, but I never really count). After leves/factions are done (usually around 2-3 hours depending on party members too) our party goes grinding. We usually go places where it's less crowded for several reason.. and one of them is -lag- cause I can't stand that sh*t.

I found a really good camp spot just west of Ishgard (x20, y31). There's a path leading west and there are about 20-30 Hippocerf here that you can grind on. Once you get to the end of the west path, you can turn around and start over since most of them will spawn again.

http://fantaji.com/pictures/1530

In our case, we have 1 tank, 4 archers, 1 healer. It goes by really really fast. Also keep in mind, for DD that is, the SP depends on your damage output. For me as an Archer, I was using warped/bronze arrows swap that do 55/65 dmg per shot. Usually when I unleash everything I get around 425 sp per kill.

I'm not sure what our healer and tanks were getting with SP but they didn't seem to complain too much so I guess good as well. :D

NOTE: Always party. This is an MMO, not a single player game. SE made it so that - The more party members you have, the more exp / sp you will get.

Hope this help you guys a little~
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Level 27 Pugilist here. I stopped soloing around level 23 since it was just a crazy mindless grind at that point. Best thing to do if you're in your mid-20s, is to get into a group with 15 people. Then, go to either Cassieopia Hollow, Tam-Tara Crofts, or Nanawa Mines. Don't take my word on Nanawa though since i've never been there. In Cassie, grind on Island Crabs. In Tam, grind on Efts and maybe Spiny Dormouse. And I heard you grind on skulls in Nanawa.

If you have a decent party, or more or so, a good amount of luck in obtaining sp, you can end up getting anywhere from 6-10k an hour. Again, depends on luck since you can get 50 sp in a fight or 500 sp in a single fight. Try to land WS as much as you can. Pugs, use Taunt. In a 15 man party, you can get 100+ sp for using it, 200 if you're lucky. What's even better is that you can get sp from parrying, and that gives a crap load. Most I gotten from parrying was 343.

If you can't find any PTs recruiting, go to those camp sites and see if there is an open spot available. You could possibly join in. 15 people is a lot so 1 or 2 people might leave and they'll keep going. Anyways, hoped this helped some people.

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#32 Oct 18 2010 at 12:19 AM Rating: Good
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yeah I find the bigger the party is the better. Con 21 here but I sort of hit the wall leveling for awhile because most of my LS was a bit lower rank... so I went back and leveled alc to 20.

Did a fair sized party on crabs earlier today and the exp was decent. Soloing is not really an option post 20... unless you like mindless grind. I would say if you don't want to play with other people you should rank up a gathering class or DoH.
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#33 Oct 18 2010 at 12:25 AM Rating: Good
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Ugh, why is people leveling on crabs? They are horrible for SP gain if you're not the healer... >.< Happened several times that people in my party wanted to level on those.
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i think the purpose of crabs is that high defense reduces incoming damage, which allows you to execute more actions per encounter and thereby gain more SP.
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Higher defense=lower damage, sp seems to be calculated on te base of damage you do to the mob. I had a party in Cassiopea hollow, was getting about the same SPs from cassiopeias. And we could kill one in 1/10 of the time needed for a crab...

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#36 Oct 18 2010 at 4:20 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm 1500 sp from rank 27 and can't be bothered to grind it out. I do my leves and then log out. I'd like to do parties, but my LS is too low and there is no hub where people gather once they get past the rank 20 camps.
#37 Oct 18 2010 at 6:37 AM Rating: Good
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i prefer the forced grouping of FFXI to this.. I enjoy EXP parties.. can't get one to save my life. Solo exp is boring and why anyone requested the ability to solo the whole game is beyond me.. Even more so why SE listened.

I have to disagree. Somewhere in the middle is a good balance. The party search function in FFXI was great; FFXIV would be better served with something like it, I think. Maybe something about our current one is better, but it has an obvious learning curve to it that is unnecessary. And it's a roadblock to using it when it's not a forced part of playing like it was in FFXI. However, one of the reasons I started playing this game was because I knew I could log on and accomplish something solo if I wanted, rather than have to wait and see if I could find others to do something with.

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25LNC here, solo is bit too slow now to be viable.
The party recruit tool would be suprisingly useful if people started using it. Logged on during JP prime, pressed search for my class and out popped about 8 parties. Clicked through to see descriptions; most were JPONLY.
We must have gotten different manuals or something as I've yet to see any parties forming from it in NA prime.
Good news is, recently I've noticed a lot of players around their 20's shout for group at aetherytes and EXP spots; means there is definitely a lot of interest for EXP parties instead of solo levelling.Edited, Oct 17th 2010 1:49pm by sylph19

One part of why JP will always be in parties more than NA is just simple preference. From the things I've read, they just prefer party play to solo play and prefer certain styles as well, such as disbanding rather than replacing when someone leaves.

Aside from that, party play is always a bit more challenging simply because of communication. I personally have been only partying with LS mates, all of whom I know from FFXI, so we already have some basic understandings that we can all assume.

To the OP: My suggestion would be to explore more of the game and not see your sole goal as "leveling up." Have you tried any of the crafting classes? They really are fun, although complicated, and rewarding. Plus, they increase your physical level considerably faster than DoW classes, which then makes the DoW classes easier to play. Try to level a couple of classes that have abilities that are really useful to every class. As for "forcing" myself to grind, I actually wouldn't mind grinding a bit. I honestly haven't had time. I'm always trying to catch up on leves, both local and regional, before the next timer is up. You probably play more than I do, though.
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