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When to use Primary and Secondary Tools in CraftingFollow

#1 Oct 17 2010 at 2:20 PM Rating: Decent
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How do you know when to use primary or secondary tools? I know you have them posted on the recipes but how do you find out?
#2 Oct 17 2010 at 2:42 PM Rating: Decent
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The general rule of thumb is to use primary tools for making materials/ingredients and secondary tools for making final products.
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#3 Oct 17 2010 at 3:05 PM Rating: Decent
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what? really! that is good to know. This whole time I've been wondering why bother getting a secondary tool too. Thanks a bunch for the information.
#4 Oct 17 2010 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
Depends on the craft really. Stuff like weaving, alchemy, and cooking (at least in my experience) seem to be exactly the opposite; finished product with main hand, parts with secondary. As far as I can tell, it looks like the major difference comes when you HQ. One hand will give you the +1, +2, etc; while the other will give you increases in yield.

I actually wonder if there's any other difference than that. You'll see people say that some recipes respond better to certain tools, but unless someone has done some testing it could all just be a placebo effect.

Edited, Oct 17th 2010 5:26pm by Redyoshi
#5 Oct 17 2010 at 3:28 PM Rating: Good
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use whichever is highest. some items have different HQ results from using the other tools, such as main hand getting +1, while offhand would give more 16 items rather than 12.

I've also seen/heard that using a more logical item is beneficial, but i havent tested it, or seen anyone else post 'scientific' results.
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#6 Oct 17 2010 at 3:45 PM Rating: Decent
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hmmm...the more logical item? I guess this could stand some testing then.

So, hypothetically, as a Blacksmith getting ready to make Bronze Arrowheads I should probably use my file over the hammer right?

In a real world situation I would still be able to bang out the general shape of the arrow heads using a hammer, but filing them down would really give me sharper and cleaner arrowheads.
#7 Oct 17 2010 at 4:09 PM Rating: Good
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SideCH wrote:
hmmm...the more logical item? I guess this could stand some testing then.

So, hypothetically, as a Blacksmith getting ready to make Bronze Arrowheads I should probably use my file over the hammer right?

In a real world situation I would still be able to bang out the general shape of the arrow heads using a hammer, but filing them down would really give me sharper and cleaner arrowheads.


thats the idea I've seen. what little 'evidence' i've seen is things like bone rings 'feeling' easier with a grinding wheel, than a goldsmith hammer. Or a weaver saying thread succeeds more often with a spinning wheel than a needle. I would say that item level/stats is far more important, and the only confirmed difference is the HQ results I said in my above post.
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#8 Oct 17 2010 at 4:59 PM Rating: Decent
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One thing I found out is that the secondary tool becomes pretty obsolete once you get higher level primary tools. At goldsmith 19, I often actually fail gem synthesizes with the secondary tool despite being almost double the level required to synthesize the gem. One the other hand, my level 12 goldsmithing tool succeeds without a sweat, most likely due to the superior statistics.

Basically, SE still need to work on the synthesis system regarding primary and secondary tools.
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