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#1 Oct 18 2010 at 1:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Is it just me or is the in game world awfully...quite, chat wise. Cities and camps always have a good number of people, but in three days of playing I've only once heard someone speak in /say...and it was a mistell. One of the things about XI I loved so much was the vibrant and uncommonly courteous/pleasant community it had. When I first started XI I had some random Taru Taru give me 1500 gil and show me around Windhurst. I've not had anyone say anything to me thus far here, I hope this seemingly anti-social trend is merely a result of the game being new >.>
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#2 Oct 18 2010 at 1:42 AM Rating: Good
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must be the crappy chat interface system. i find it hard to type and chat when running. People are pretty friendly and im sure someone will recruit you to their linkshell as lots of them are attempting to grow.
#3 Oct 18 2010 at 2:01 AM Rating: Good
I've seen things get a little more lively on Besaid, more RP and such.
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#4 Oct 18 2010 at 2:18 AM Rating: Decent
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its so quiet im still linkshell-less ive shouted in every major city from day 1 and no one ever replies
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My LS has vent so it appears silience on the log.
You may consider to join a big LS if you feel alon in game^^
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#6 Oct 18 2010 at 3:07 AM Rating: Decent
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I think the reason behind it is that SE really hasn't given us a good medium to converse with the other players in our zone.

/shout is considered rude by most people, so players generally don't like having conversations through it. /say only reaches players in your very immediate vicinity, again hard to have a conversation b/c you'd have to stand there the whole time.

This game could've really used some chat channels/tabs. General/Trade/Party channels would be great.
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I think it's two things - first, progress in the beginning (or entirely for a DoL/H class) is very solo-friendly. Second is the horrid UI and chat, which inhibits communication.
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#8 Oct 18 2010 at 4:56 AM Rating: Decent
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I dont think I would still be playing the game if it wasnt for the LS im in. I enjoy the game much more having a laugh with them on vent. Not all members have vent so we try to keep an eye on the chatlog aswell.

But the lack of chat in the open world is a little sad :(

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#9 Oct 18 2010 at 5:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Big problem this game has is that it's populated with the jaded XI community, people that only talk on their LS and shun shouting etc.

The game also has no reason to be social, whereas it was almost forced on you with XI. Just cause its a FF title doesnt follow you get the same community, FFXI was honestly one of the very few games I've played that had that and it's not something easily replicated.

Get a ls, best your gonna get probably.
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#10 Oct 18 2010 at 5:45 AM Rating: Decent
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i find it hard to type and chat when running.

Never played a game where you can easily chat and run at the same time, unless you're on some kind of autopilot mode.
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Big problem this game has is that it's populated with the jaded XI community, people that only talk on their LS and shun shouting etc.


That's a bit much don't you think? I'd like to think I'm not a "jaded" XI community member, but I'd reserve /say and /shout for broadcasting to the area seeking a party, guild, repairs, sales, etc. I just personally don't see a reason to have a conversation out in the open for all eyes to see.
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ThePropagation wrote:

I dont think I would still be playing the game if it wasnt for the LS im in. I enjoy the game much more having a laugh with them on vent. Not all members have vent so we try to keep an eye on the chatlog aswell.


You know what's funny? Everyone said the same thing about XI (myself included). It's sad.
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The game also has no reason to be social, whereas it was almost forced on you with XI.


Your not one of those guys who complains about not being able to find weapons, armor, or materials from other crafts are you?
#14 Oct 18 2010 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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I find that talking TO someone helps, rather than just shouting into open space.

If you want to chat, initiate a conversation with SOMEONE. Send a tell to the person, ask them a question directly, ask them advice, compliment their gear. If you're having trouble finding mats, visit the appropriate guild (that's where the crafters are - they need the higher level support), check people until you find one of a high enough level to craft the item, engage them in a conversation directly - this method has helped me get all of the stuff I couldn't find in the markets. I showed up with some iron nuggets, found a level 28 armorer, and suddenly in exchange for a few extra shards that I offered (they didn't even ask for payment) I had all my mats.

Why would I answer you if you're running down the street shouting your head off? I have had great conversations both with people who directly asked me for help ("Hey, how do you get the anvil thingy to show up?"), asked me for directions (guy ended up joing our LS), and when I have sought out materials or help from other crafters ("Hi, can you Joe, please help me with this?").

Talk to people directly, rather than just shouting generally. Also once you are talking TO someone, it is much easier to continue the conversation via tells or even add someone to your social list so that you can talk to them later.

Edited, Oct 18th 2010 12:25pm by NayliaMR
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its so quiet im still linkshell-less ive shouted in every major city from day 1 and no one ever replies


Keep working on finding an LS. With the method they have in place for recruitment it makes it tough to get a hold of the leader or an officer (assuming there are any) and be in the same place at the same time. I would assume that its one of the many items on their list to get a handle on eventually, though probably not of the highest priority.

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#16 Oct 18 2010 at 10:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, there's not a lot going on yet. Remember that in XI, the main cities were also relatively quiet. It wasn't until you got to Jeuno and Whitegate that the shouts started flying. Even at that, it was mostly people looking for groups for specific things, like missions and whatnot. Teleport requests were also a big part of that, and we don't have that anymore. XIV doesn't really have any kind or organized events for people to worry about yet, and there's still no central hub for players. I'd expect the same level of liveliness as XI later on down the road.

Edited, Oct 18th 2010 12:56pm by TraumaFox
#17 Oct 18 2010 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
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I think the quiet is nice. If you want to talk a lot, join a LS and start burnin away at those keys. The primary thing about WoW that killed that game for me was the nagging and trolling across the game. This game keeps the trash talk down to a minimum. They could fix the chatting for sure, but I like not having regional/global chat options. Keeps my log free of garbage and I don't have to mess with settings. That's just my personal opinion though. ^^

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Well, you can turn off those chat options in WoW if they really bother you. /leave Trade, /leave whatevernumberthechatis. If you sit in them, it's not anyone's fault but your own.

I mean, yes there is trash talk but you will get that no matter where you go (even in shouts in WG - oh the shout fights I was witness to), and that's why there is an easy way to report spammers in other games. It's not really a legitimate reason to have NO options other than /say, /shout, and /linkshell to communicate with other players. What happened to this being a game that encouraged socialization?

You'd think we would have been given better tools.

I'd like a couple of actual chat channels.
#19 Oct 18 2010 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
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The game also has no reason to be social...


you must not have a combat class over R20...
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#20 Oct 18 2010 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, you can turn off those chat options in WoW if they really bother you. /leave Trade, /leave whatevernumberthechatis. If you sit in them, it's not anyone's fault but your own.

I mean, yes there is trash talk but you will get that no matter where you go (even in shouts in WG - oh the shout fights I was witness to), and that's why there is an easy way to report spammers in other games. It's not really a legitimate reason to have NO options other than /say, /shout, and /linkshell to communicate with other players. What happened to this being a game that encouraged socialization?

You'd think we would have been given better tools.

I'd like a couple of actual chat channels.


Part of the reason there's so much crap in wow's chat channels is because the wow community, generally speaking, is possibly the worst of any online game. Part of the reason I was so eager for XIV's release is wanting to get away from it.
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#21 Oct 18 2010 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
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I find that talking TO someone helps, rather than just shouting into open space.

If you want to chat, initiate a conversation with SOMEONE. Send a tell to the person, ask them a question directly, ask them advice, compliment their gear. If you're having trouble finding mats, visit the appropriate guild (that's where the crafters are - they need the higher level support), check people until you find one of a high enough level to craft the item, engage them in a conversation directly - this method has helped me get all of the stuff I couldn't find in the markets. I showed up with some iron nuggets, found a level 28 armorer, and suddenly in exchange for a few extra shards that I offered (they didn't even ask for payment) I had all my mats.

Why would I answer you if you're running down the street shouting your head off? I have had great conversations both with people who directly asked me for help ("Hey, how do you get the anvil thingy to show up?"), asked me for directions (guy ended up joing our LS), and when I have sought out materials or help from other crafters ("Hi, can you Joe, please help me with this?").

Talk to people directly, rather than just shouting generally. Also once you are talking TO someone, it is much easier to continue the conversation via tells or even add someone to your social list so that you can talk to them later.



This.

I dunno about others but I am super friendly in game. I was partying in Coerthas yesterday and got killed - returned to crystal... there was a glad in our level range trying to solo near the crystal - so I asked him if he wanted to join our party... and boom - he joined us and fun times were had.

In my experience the more people in the party the more SP I get... so being social is the key to success. That said I have shouted offering free teleports and no one has ever taken me up on it - which is hilarious in my view.
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#22 Oct 18 2010 at 12:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Part of the reason there's so much crap in wow's chat channels is because the wow community, generally speaking, is possibly the worst of any online game. Part of the reason I was so eager for XIV's release is wanting to get away from it.


Funny, I had this same exact experience in FFXI, especially at end game. I found that the community on Alexander was one of the most spiteful, angry, elitist, argumentative, feuding communities of anything I had ever seen. The LS feuds alone make you want to gouge your eyes out when a couple rival officers are in the same city and one or the other is recruiting.

I had a much better experience in WoW at end game, because generally speaking making a mistake isn't the end of the world like it is in FFXI. The community is a lot larger so there aren't so many rivalries cropping up because there are only 1-2 top tier LS's and 2-5 mid tier ones that no matter which one you join, you are now enemies of the other because they are always competing for kills.

I guess it's really up to the player to make the most of their own experiences. I have trade channels turned off, do things with guildmates, and have a very good social experience in WoW. It's not fair to classify that game as some blanket bad community just because you had a bad experience. There's trash talk, yes. There's also helpful talk and I'd rather have the extra channels in the game with the option to turn them off when they get annoying, than not have them at all.
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Part of the reason there's so much crap in wow's chat channels is because the wow community, generally speaking, is possibly the worst of any online game. Part of the reason I was so eager for XIV's release is wanting to get away from it.


Funny, I had this same exact experience in FFXI, especially at end game. I found that the community on Alexander was one of the most spiteful, angry, elitist, argumentative, feuding communities of anything I had ever seen. The LS feuds alone make you want to gouge your eyes out when a couple rival officers are in the same city and one or the other is recruiting.

I had a much better experience in WoW at end game, because generally speaking making a mistake isn't the end of the world like it is in FFXI. The community is a lot larger so there aren't so many rivalries cropping up because there are only 1-2 top tier LS's and 2-5 mid tier ones that no matter which one you join, you are now enemies of the other because they are always competing for kills.

I guess it's really up to the player to make the most of their own experiences. I have trade channels turned off, do things with guildmates, and have a very good social experience in WoW. It's not fair to classify that game as some blanket bad community just because you had a bad experience. There's trash talk, yes. There's also helpful talk and I'd rather have the extra channels in the game with the option to turn them off when they get annoying, than not have them at all.



I never bothered with end game in FFXI I admit, and I had heard about many of the issues with it. In my experience though the community issues seemed mostly limited to end game, the people I met leveling alt jobs and exploring the world were almost always kind and helpful. When I hit 50 on my Black Mage, I went to Jueno and shouted for help with my limit break (small dead ls at the time), within an hour I had 15 people ranging from 60-75 helping me farm in Eldiem Necropolis for no benefit. Having played WoW for 3 years, I can safely say that while I did meet some great people there, there is no way in **** that would have happened in the wow general community.

I do think WoW's end game was a lot more accessible, and better implemented then XI's.
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#25 Oct 18 2010 at 2:53 PM Rating: Good
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Part of the reason there's so much crap in wow's chat channels is because the wow community, generally speaking, is possibly the worst of any online game. Part of the reason I was so eager for XIV's release is wanting to get away from it.


Funny, I had this same exact experience in FFXI, especially at end game. I found that the community on Alexander was one of the most spiteful, angry, elitist, argumentative, feuding communities of anything I had ever seen. The LS feuds alone make you want to gouge your eyes out when a couple rival officers are in the same city and one or the other is recruiting.

I had a much better experience in WoW at end game, because generally speaking making a mistake isn't the end of the world like it is in FFXI. The community is a lot larger so there aren't so many rivalries cropping up because there are only 1-2 top tier LS's and 2-5 mid tier ones that no matter which one you join, you are now enemies of the other because they are always competing for kills.

I guess it's really up to the player to make the most of their own experiences. I have trade channels turned off, do things with guildmates, and have a very good social experience in WoW. It's not fair to classify that game as some blanket bad community just because you had a bad experience. There's trash talk, yes. There's also helpful talk and I'd rather have the extra channels in the game with the option to turn them off when they get annoying, than not have them at all.



I never bothered with end game in FFXI I admit, and I had heard about many of the issues with it. In my experience though the community issues seemed mostly limited to end game, the people I met leveling alt jobs and exploring the world were almost always kind and helpful. When I hit 50 on my Black Mage, I went to Jueno and shouted for help with my limit break (small dead ls at the time), within an hour I had 15 people ranging from 60-75 helping me farm in Eldiem Necropolis for no benefit. Having played WoW for 3 years, I can safely say that while I did meet some great people there, there is no way in **** that would have happened in the wow general community.

I do think WoW's end game was a lot more accessible, and better implemented then XI's.


you never played FFXI end game.. you don't know.



But I had many friends that did, and I heard all about the nightmarish lag filled Dynamis runs, the constant fighting with rmt and other LS for HNM spawns in sky, the militaristic rule of many of the end game ls's leaders/officers. The astronomical prices involved in obtaining beast coins to upgrade relics, one of my friends spent something like 900 million gil for his Excalibur. I myself was never really interested in joining that fuster cluck, but in WoW end game felt more like the natural progression of leveling - the game guided you towards raids, and I ended up doing that without even specifically intending to. Not that it doesn't have it's own share of issues, there's more then a couple reasons I left after all, but I can't deny what they got right.
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I tend to see a lot more Japanese players talking in say or shout. My theory is that in Japan FFXIV didn't get blasted by scathing reviews like it did oversees so the general mood in Japan is probably of reserved optimism. People tend to be more social when they are enjoying the game more lol.

In actuality its more likely just because people are creating linkshells way earlier in this game than they did in FFXI and forming closed circles so there is less of a need to talk outside of your group chat, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Just go out and look for a linkshell since most are open recruitment at this point anyways.

I don't really think people are less courtesy/pleasant in this game than any others. I find that tossing a cure on a soloing DoW when they are about to die to stray dodos will result in a show of appreciation in return 9/10 times, and once in awhile that person may actually strike up a conversation with you!



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#27calbers91, Posted: Oct 18 2010 at 3:48 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Hhahaha are you serious? just play and have fun, shout if you want to! lol
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My theory is that in Japan FFXIV didn't get blasted by scathing reviews like it did oversees
Except it has been getting very negative reviews by players. If anything, they're even more critical of the game in Japan as they are in the US.

http://www.4gamer.net/games/092/G009287/

http://onlinegame.dz-life.net/titles/ff14/review.html

http://www.amazon.co.jp/product-reviews/B002C4KLEC/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
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Usually when I talk to people they reply. Friend got Linkshell within an hour after joining the game (not my linkshell). Maybe it is different for different servers, but I find that general people are pretty communicative. Though most people seem to ignore message addressed to masses.

Like /sh "Anyone alive?"

but if you talk to them as individual/group, you easily get a conversation going.
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