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#1 Oct 18 2010 at 8:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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I am so frustrated with the random leve quest thing. I am a full time conjurer but when I started playing I made the mistake of trying out Archer first. I leveled it to 11 before I finally got sick of the constant missing and cost of arrows so rolled Conjurer and never looked back and now sit at 17.

Now, I'm running to the leve quest hubs each reset and jump on the lvl 20 leves and time and time again I'm slammed with archer guild points leves. I get 3 archer ones to every conjurer one and it's irritating me beyond reasoning. I even selected a leve last night that payed out cash but once I replaced a finished one with it the bonus reverted from money to archer points. I just wanted to scream!

I have over a hundred guild points to unlock quests in two of the faction leves but can't use them because the leves there are archer based. I keep waiting each reset with the hopes I can get a decent faction leve.

If there was a button that I could push to completely remove archer from my list I would. I would take the level hit just to not have to see these archer leves every single reset.

Let this serve as a warning to you guys leveling...make **** sure you like the class before dinging 10 because it will haunt you the rest of your gaming life in FFXIV.

Edited, Oct 18th 2010 10:43am by Twolow24
#2 Oct 18 2010 at 8:52 AM Rating: Good
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Yea..... I feel your pain here.
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#3 Oct 18 2010 at 9:06 AM Rating: Good
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Yes I'm facing the same problem too.

I've tried out lancer and got it to 15 before changing it to MRD, which is level 20 now.

For some reason I keep getting Guild Marks for Lancer, the job at lower level and the one not touched since 15. Ridiculously I have accumulated 2000 more guild points for my Lancer than Marauder thanks to those leves that keep spamming me with Lancer marks.. I wish I had a method to turn it off!
#4 Oct 18 2010 at 9:09 AM Rating: Good
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too late. I have 4 classes to 10 to get their abilites... you should be able to pick with marks you get.....this is poor implementation. Sure level up other jobs for their abilities and be forever doomed to get their marks instead of the ones YOU actually want.....
#5 Oct 18 2010 at 9:10 AM Rating: Decent
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The perfect solution as it is now is to ONLY level the class you know you will play the entirety of the game. Had I never touched archer I would be getting spammed with conjurer leves and life would be bliss.

I really feel for the guys who leveled all classes to 10 to level their character quick. Now they get spammed with a multitude of guild marks for all those classes they never intended to level past 10.
#6 Oct 18 2010 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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just get conjurer to rank 23 and start doing the rank 30 leves for guildpoints for your conjurer.

It's not like you are gonna do rank 20 leves for the rest of the game.


last night I got a total of 7000 pug points doing a selection of rank 30 and rank 20 leves. I could have gotten about 3000 lancer marks if I had wanted to instead.
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#7 Oct 18 2010 at 9:16 AM Rating: Decent
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GusMorgan wrote:
just get conjurer to rank 23 and start doing the rank 30 leves for guildpoints for your conjurer.

It's not like you are gonna do rank 20 leves for the rest of the game.


last night I got a total of 7000 pug points doing a selection of rank 30 and rank 20 leves. I could have gotten about 3000 lancer marks if I had wanted to instead.


The game is slamming me with archer leves at lvl 20 despite my archer being only lvl 11 and my conjurer being 17. Your saying the lvl 30 leves will not look at my archer any longer unless it levels up past 11?

Edited, Oct 18th 2010 11:17am by Twolow24
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GusMorgan wrote:
just get conjurer to rank 23 and start doing the rank 30 leves for guildpoints for your conjurer.

It's not like you are gonna do rank 20 leves for the rest of the game.


last night I got a total of 7000 pug points doing a selection of rank 30 and rank 20 leves. I could have gotten about 3000 lancer marks if I had wanted to instead.


Yes see i figured this.

You can get guild points for classes 10+ @20 but once you hit 23 you will begin doing rank 30 leves.
The rank 30 leves will only give you guild marks on classes over 20. So you are only burdened until you begin the rank 30 leves. Then your rank 10 classes will no longer haunt you. :)
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#9 Oct 18 2010 at 9:18 AM Rating: Excellent
GusMorgan wrote:
just get conjurer to rank 23 and start doing the rank 30 leves for guildpoints for your conjurer.



I'm so glad I heard this, I was getting real tired of seeing guild marks for the wrong classes, and thought I was going to be dealing with it for a long time.
#10 Oct 18 2010 at 9:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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edge1006 wrote:

Yes see i figured this.

You can get guild points for classes 10+ @20 but once you hit 23 you will begin doing rank 30 leves.
The rank 30 leves will only give you guild marks on classes over 20. So you are only burdened until you begin the rank 30 leves. Then your rank 10 classes will no longer haunt you. :)


Good to know. I feel a little better now.
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I'll bet this will be adjusted. The last thing SE wants is anything to hinder someone from not exploring all the jobs...since that's something they have pushed since day one. I would assume they will change the leves to offer general guild marks...instead of specific job guild marks. I would guess its just one more of their many oversights.
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#12 Oct 18 2010 at 9:33 AM Rating: Good
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You know what the easy fix for this is. Just make it generic DoW/DoM class marks. Whatever class you're on when you're done = *poof* marks.
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UnusedName wrote:
You know what the easy fix for this is. Just make it generic DoW/DoM class marks. Whatever class you're on when you're done = *poof* marks.


If they did this I am certain that they would substantially decrease the amount of marks you would get as reward.
Maybe a toggle. Say you reward is supposed to be 2000 Thaum points but you would prefer to get them on Con. So you toggle to another class or generic points, so there would be a 50% penalty and instead you only get 1000 Con points or generic (DoW/M) points.

I would be all over this.
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#14 Oct 18 2010 at 9:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe a toggle. Say you reward is supposed to be 2000 Thaum points but you would prefer to get them on Con


That doesn't address the underlying issue of *why* it is giving points for the lower level class instead of the class you are currently leveling and actually activated and performed the task as. It's a nice solution, but why would I be doing a leve as a Thaumaturge that rewards me with conjurer points to begin with?
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Torrence wrote:
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Maybe a toggle. Say you reward is supposed to be 2000 Thaum points but you would prefer to get them on Con


That doesn't address the underlying issue of *why* it is giving points for the lower level class instead of the class you are currently leveling and actually activated and performed the task as. It's a nice solution, but why would I be doing a leve as a Thaumaturge that rewards me with conjurer points to begin with?


It was an option to the situation that folks are running into. Whatever class you have 10+ you run the chance of getting Rank 20 leve that gives guild marks for that class. The leves you are assigned and their rewards are given randomly at the leve reset. It has nothing to do with what class you are currently on or what your highest rank is. Only that your character has a rank above 10 in certain classes. And for rank 30 leves, only that you have rank above 20 in certain classes.

And to further answer you question. Use the OP scenario, she lvled ARC decided to go CON. She wants nothing to do with ARCH but is getting leves that reward ARCH points. Im sure she would be more than happy to do that leve and instead of getting 1000 ARCH points... opt to get 500 CON points. cause 500 is more than 0. Thats why the toggle would offer a solution to the game dealing you a bad choice of leve reward for class you no longer wish to rank up.

Edit - bad grammar/misspellings

Wow and I get knocked down to decent from excellent for making a suggestion about how the game could fix this??
I swear thats amazing when people cant even hold a conversation without being slapped on the wrist.

Edited, Oct 18th 2010 12:05pm by edge1006

Edited, Oct 18th 2010 12:07pm by edge1006
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#16 Oct 18 2010 at 10:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Torrence wrote:

That doesn't address the underlying issue of *why* it is giving points for the lower level class instead of the class you are currently leveling and actually activated and performed the task as. It's a nice solution, but why would I be doing a leve as a Thaumaturge that rewards me with conjurer points to begin with?


If you had read 4 post up where I explained the WHY the system grabbed the ARCH points instead of CON.
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#17 Oct 18 2010 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not sure why we should be penalized? It should be...this leve is worth X amount of points. Whatever job you use to complete the leve...you should get the marks for that job. Why can't it be that simple? If SE wanted to make it harder to earn marks...just reduce the amount of marks received during leves.
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#18 Oct 18 2010 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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This is a problem. I hope people have submitted bug reports and posted in the feedback forum about it. Some good suggestions have been made too.

On the bright side DoW/DoM marks are fairly lame... I mean the abilities I can buy with my con seem pretty meh. Now DoH marks on the other hand... DoH marks are something I want very badly.

Can use them to buy crystals as well as training... yum.
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the way i understood it, is:

When you pick your first class, you are automatically a member of its guild.

Then, when you hit 20, you can change guilds.

So, when those first lv20 leves pop up, the can only offer you marks in the guild you are a member of.

This idea about being lv10 makes no sense. I started as an archer for the bow+ammo. did one leve for the money to buy a pug wep, then got it to lv10, then swiched back to archer. But still, the leves i have now, offer archer points.
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Edge I don't know why you quoted me twice to give two different arguments against it, but someone else has already summed up what my response would have been nicely:

Simool wrote:

I'm not sure why we should be penalized? It should be...this leve is worth X amount of points. Whatever job you use to complete the leve...you should get the marks for that job. Why can't it be that simple? If SE wanted to make it harder to earn marks...just reduce the amount of marks received during leves.


I get that you are suggesting a fix to what is happening right now, but why not just fix it so it doesn't happen at all? Why not just fix it so that whatever class you activate and complete the leve as, that's the class you get the reward for?

It doesn't make any sense that you should get half as many marks just because you happen to have leveled some other job to 11 a month ago. I can't even wrap my brain around it.
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While we are talking about guild marks. The frequency of DoH guild marks needs to be upped a lot. They are so rare to come by. So far I'm 0/12 on Armorer guild marks and its very disheartening.
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Sigmakan wrote:
While we are talking about guild marks. The frequency of DoH guild marks needs to be upped a lot. They are so rare to come by. So far I'm 0/12 on Armorer guild marks and its very disheartening.


I agree; I am around 1/15 for armorer marks myself.
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LowLvGoldsmith wrote:
the way i understood it, is:

When you pick your first class, you are automatically a member of its guild.

Then, when you hit 20, you can change guilds.


What makes you say that?

If the observations in this thread are true, then picking an initial Class has a greater impact on leveling Ranks from 13-23 than I thought.

Does joining a Guild give you a noticable change to the list of offered Rank 20 Leves (with Guildmarks) then?

Can you be in more than one guild at a time? Can you remove yourself from a guild?

I'm finding it hard to believe that the guild you belong to has any effect on the offered Leve List.

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I am not even in the guilds and yet I get a random mix despite having many classes over 10+. The DoH ones are easy because they are split up, yet the DoW do seem random. Just like the DoL, not every leve reset ensures marks. Besides, most of the marks are not good until rank 30 leves anyway. I'm stacking mine for now.
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you can belong to more than 1 guild.... and you can't join any guild till R20.

Edited, Oct 18th 2010 2:07pm by Olorinus
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AceAmallie wrote:
I am not even in the guilds and yet I get a random mix despite having many classes over 10+. The DoH ones are easy because they are split up, yet the DoW do seem random. Just like the DoL, not every leve reset ensures marks. Besides, most of the marks are not good until rank 30 leves anyway. I'm stacking mine for now.


Just curious, have you tried obtaining guild marks for a DoH class?

First, the level must be a 20+ one which is a total crapshoot. Yesterday for example I had ZERO R20+ Armorcraft leves available in any city.

Next, guild marks arent listed as a reward item because you randomlyreceive as a reward when you turn the items in. The odds of receiving these marks is very low it seems.

From everyone I've talked to, getting DoW/DoM marks is the easiest and you'll probably have leftovers quickly. DoL isn't too bad, but you can have some bad luck. DoH seems like a fricken nightmare so far.

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Twolow24 wrote:
The perfect solution as it is now is to ONLY level the class you know you will play the entirety of the game. Had I never touched archer I would be getting spammed with conjurer leves and life would be bliss.


You wouldn't be getting spammed with conjurer marks just because it was your only class above 10. I have a 17 PGL, and out of the last 5 resets, I've gotten 2 leves for marks.

My gf has a CON and THM both above 10, she's gotten 2-3 leves for marks each reset for the last 5 resets. It's all luck.


LowLvGoldsmith wrote:
the way i understood it, is:

When you pick your first class, you are automatically a member of its guild.

Then, when you hit 20, you can change guilds.

So, when those first lv20 leves pop up, the can only offer you marks in the guild you are a member of.

This idea about being lv10 makes no sense. I started as an archer for the bow+ammo. did one leve for the money to buy a pug wep, then got it to lv10, then swiched back to archer. But still, the leves i have now, offer archer points.


You can get marks from multiple jobs before you hit 20 and can join guilds. As stated above, my gf has CON and THM between 10 and 20, and gets marks on both.
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my theory (anyone with evidence either way please say so), is that every leve reset, the leves you are assigned will be assigned a class. If you have that class leveled high enough to get marks offered to you, it will, otherwise it will offer you gil. So basically, If you had all 7 combat classes at level 10, every rank 20 leve would offer marks of some point.

I do not believe that leves have an X chance to offer marks, and then they randomly assign the class you get it on. I don't think that leveling only 1 class would have you doing 3-4 leves for marks every week.

I'm basing this on my experiance. When my lancer was 13, all 9 r20 leves offered gil. next reset my con was 14 and I saw 1 lnc and 1 con out of the 9 possible. next reset I had a r10 thurm, and I had one of each class show up in my 9 leves. Its not exactly the most scientific evidence.
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I only have con leveled up in DoW/DoM over R.10. I rarely get more than 1 leve in total with marks. Once I got two mark leves in a reset but it doesn't happen often.
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