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#1 Oct 18 2010 at 1:26 PM Rating: Sub-Default
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You chose to pay for this game monthly. It's your decision to like FFXIV for the way it is. Not SE. If you don't? Then quit. I personally think if people gave this game a chance and actually tried its new and different play styles (no ah for example)that people are calling problems and make something of it.. we could of made a great game. It seems like people want everything handed to them in the game.. well this is not that game so stop complaining.. I understand what SE was trying to do here.. All of these "problems" were not problems at all. They made it this way for a reason. They didn't mess up.. they knew exactly what they are doing. Us as players, we were supposed to make our own economy. We were supposed to create how everything works. It's like being born into a completely different world with free will. Do you get it? .. and all of these people complaining are ruining that. For example, you could be the greatest known trader in your server because thats how the game is right now. You have to buy from other people. It gives you, your character, a reputation from real players. How do you find this person again? add him as a friend. This is why the classes are made the way they were. Oh hey its "Chris the woodworker" He has good prices... I need more arrows for my bow, Ill tell my other archer friends about him. You just made business, and a friend, and possibly someone to party with. That Chris is a real player! not a npc.. do you get it??? A search or an auction house would ruin this.. and I don't want them to change it! Why? because this little change would change everything about the economy and how people view the game. This feature makes ffxiv different from every other mmorpg.
#2 Oct 18 2010 at 1:29 PM Rating: Good
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wall of text.. tldr....

But I can summarize the responses you will receive:
"Complaining got us a free month."
"If we don't complain, nothing will change."
"You're a fanboy."

Thats about it!!
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#3 Oct 18 2010 at 1:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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You chose to pay for this game monthly. It's your decision to like FFXIV for the way it is. Not SE. If you don't? Then quit. I personally think if people gave this game a chance and actually tried its new and different play styles (no ah for example)that people are calling problems and make something of it.. we could of made a great game. It seems like people want everything handed to them in the game.. well this is not that game so stop complaining.. I understand what SE was trying to do here.. All of these "problems" were not problems at all. They made it this way for a reason. They didn't mess up.. they knew exactly what they are doing. Us as players, we were supposed to make our own economy. We were supposed to create how everything works. It's like being born into a completely different world with free will. Do you get it? .. and all of these people complaining are ruining that. For example, you could be the greatest known trader in your server because thats how the game is right now. You have to buy from other people. It gives you, your character, a reputation from real players. How do you find this person again? add him as a friend. This is why the classes are made the way they were. Oh hey its "Chris the woodworker" He has good prices... I need more arrows for my bow, Ill tell my other archer friends about him. You just made business, and a friend, and possibly someone to party with. That Chris is a real player! not a npc.. do you get it??? A search or an auction house would ruin this.. and I don't want them to change it! Why? because this little change would change everything about the economy and how people view the game. This feature makes ffxiv different from every other mmorpg.


Except, Retainers aren't actual players either... So, you know, your whole point about "real people" kind of falls dead at the first hurdle.
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#4 Oct 18 2010 at 1:29 PM Rating: Good
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MaverickBG wrote:
wall of text.. tldr....

But I can summarize the responses you will receive:
"Complaining got us a free month."
"If we don't complain, nothing will change."
"You're a fanboy."

Thats about it!!


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#6 Oct 18 2010 at 1:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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How will an AH do anything but improve player interactions?

With the current system, it's one step removed from a player interaction. It's an interaction with a named NPC controller by a player of another name that I will never be able to talk to. With an aH, if I see that Chris is selling a bunch of Haubergeons and I need something else of that class that he might be able to make, I can note Chris's name and contact him when he is online to see if he will make me one.

How do I contact Chris when all I see is an NPC named Haubysforsale?

I don't think you understand how the Market Wards actually work, because your argument falls down in the face of this logic.
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Without complaints, the game wouldn't be on its way to improvement.

For this game to even have the decision to hit store shelves meant that someone higher-up in Square-Enix thought that the game was suitable for release.

Well, most of us and the reviewers didn't agree. If we didn't make our voice heard, then it's very likely that changes wouldn't have come so quickly.
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#9 Oct 18 2010 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent
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MaverickBG wrote:

"Complaining got us a free month."
"If we don't complain, nothing will change."
"You're a fanboy."



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To the forum's (And the Moderator's) Credit. There hasn't really been that much complain threads going on in the last couple days. Looks like the major ********* has blown over for now.
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Complaining didn't get us a free month. The overwhelming response to the convoluted mechanics behind how the game runs got us a free month. The endless posts into both their feedback area as well as the top line fan sites such as Zam detailing the shortcomings of the game got us a free month. You are safe my sub-defaulted friend of having to set foot into an AH I am sure. They have other plans to make the market ward more friendly for purchases without punishing the casual player (who the game is supposedly geared towards to begin with) who does not wish to spend hours searching for a specific item. Even with the new system its an overt pain to try to find anything. I do not doubt there is a chocobotail saw somewhere in this game for me, but in the meantime I continue on without one as I just cannot commit the hours to seaching ward after ward in 3 separate cities to find what I want.

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I happen to agree with the poster. I am enjoying it myself.
There are bugs, but who cares? Obviously people do or they wouldn't complain.

I won't let you naysayers rain on my parade :D However, I do owe you are a thank you for getting us an extra play month :D
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#13 Oct 18 2010 at 1:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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But people don't WANT this to be like real life.

I don't want to work my *** off to sell some junk I found from killing mobs.
I don't want to work my *** off to buy items if I want to level up.
I don't want to work my *** off to PLAY THE GAME.

Some of the hurdles that SE set for us make a lot of parts of the game unfun. First and foremost a game needs to be fun, intuitive second, and everything else a distant third.

Market wards are a great idea, but searching and being able to get a list of prices from every vendor on the fly is pretty much essential for any MMO these days. SE can still keep the market ward spirit, but have it function more like a traditional AH.
#14calbers91, Posted: Oct 18 2010 at 1:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That just seems really childish to me. "Let's complain until they give us what we want"
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Were the game to stay as is, subscriptions would tank and SE would likely be forced to shut it down. There are only so many people willing to put up with broke epic time sinks and bassackward design. This game is built to be a success, not a break even or modest profit side project. The resources would be better spent somewhere that produced a higher return.

Edited, Oct 18th 2010 3:45pm by Furia
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But people don't WANT this to be like real life.

I don't want to work my *** off to sell some junk I found from killing mobs.
I don't want to work my *** off to buy items if I want to level up.
I don't want to work my *** off to PLAY THE GAME.

Some of the hurdles that SE set for us make a lot of parts of the game unfun. First and foremost a game needs to be fun, intuitive second, and everything else a distant third.

Market wards are a great idea, but searching and being able to get a list of prices from every vendor on the fly is pretty much essential for any MMO these days. SE can still keep the market ward spirit, but have it function more like a traditional AH.


Okay, and if these people don't want any of this, including you. Then go play a different mmorpg where everything is easy to get. This is where ffxiv could of succeeded passed other mmorpg's.
#17calbers91, Posted: Oct 18 2010 at 1:51 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I dissagree. If SE kept the game the way it was, then yes a lot of people would possibly leave. They would either leave or learn how to make it work and make something of it. This is why and how this game was designed to be. The hardcore players/fans who want a challenge would stay, while the naysayers left. As people made use of SE's features in the game, more people would come, and everything would flow. It would take time. This way makes a great unique mmorpg.
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calbers91 wrote:
Okay, and if these people don't want any of this, including you. Then go play a different mmorpg where everything is easy to get. This is where ffxiv could of succeeded passed other mmorpg's.


I was totally expecting this answer. I have several counterpoints to this, feel free to pick whichever one you like most.

1. I already paid for the game and was unsatisfied with it. I'm free to offer feedback before leaving.
2. SE is looking to make a large profit with the game, not satisfy a few dozen masochists world wide.
3. There's a difference between making everything easy, and making everything intuitive or smooth.
4. I LIKE some aspects of the game and want to stick with it, but they are hidden under a mountain of *********
5. Things don't get fixed unless there's a need to get them fixed. This is not just bugs, but design problems as well.
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The hardcore players/fans who want a challenge would stay, while the naysayers left. As people made use of SE's features in the game, more people would come, and everything would flow. It would take time. This way makes a great unique mmorpg.


We must not define "challenge" the same way. See, I define it as strategically winning epic battles against fearsome beasts, defying all the odds and emerging victorious with my friends.

You must define it as waging an epic crusade to inspect each and every player-owned NPC on a quest to find the lowest priced Wind Shard, one click at a time.

Really, no one is asking for an easy game. We just want to be able to buy a freaking sword without it taking up half our night.
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Wolfums wrote:
calbers91 wrote:
Okay, and if these people don't want any of this, including you. Then go play a different mmorpg where everything is easy to get. This is where ffxiv could of succeeded passed other mmorpg's.


I was totally expecting this answer. I have several counterpoints to this, feel free to pick whichever one you like most.

1. I already paid for the game and was unsatisfied with it. I'm free to offer feedback before leaving.
2. SE is looking to make a large profit with the game, not satisfy a few dozen masochists world wide.
3. There's a difference between making everything easy, and making everything intuitive or smooth.
4. I LIKE some aspects of the game and want to stick with it, but they are hidden under a mountain of bullsh*t.
5. Things don't get fixed unless there's a need to get them fixed. This is not just bugs, but design problems as well.



And in response to number 1 above. Video games are one of VERY few industries where if you buy something and are not happy with it you can't take it back and get a refund. Open forum and feedback are the only places where you can hope to make your voice heard (other than cancelling your subscription). Rather than tell the community at large how stupid we are because we 'don't get how the game was supposed to be played' maybe spend your time constructively by sending feedback to SE explaining to them how you like the system the way it is.

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#21 Oct 18 2010 at 2:01 PM Rating: Good
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calbers91 wrote:


That just seems really childish to me. "Let's complain until they give us what we want"



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#22calbers91, Posted: Oct 18 2010 at 2:03 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 1. I pay for games all the time and some of them I don't like. Do you know what I do? I don't play it.
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calbers91 wrote:
Wolfums wrote:
But people don't WANT this to be like real life.

I don't want to work my *** off to sell some junk I found from killing mobs.
I don't want to work my *** off to buy items if I want to level up.
I don't want to work my *** off to PLAY THE GAME.

Some of the hurdles that SE set for us make a lot of parts of the game unfun. First and foremost a game needs to be fun, intuitive second, and everything else a distant third.

Market wards are a great idea, but searching and being able to get a list of prices from every vendor on the fly is pretty much essential for any MMO these days. SE can still keep the market ward spirit, but have it function more like a traditional AH.


Okay, and if these people don't want any of this, including you. Then go play a different mmorpg where everything is easy to get. This is where ffxiv could of succeeded passed other mmorpg's.


Again, this is not a low-budget niche project aimed at small and specific demographic. All told, they probably sank like 100+ million dollars into this. 50,000 super nerds that want to role play and spend 10 hours a day on nothing but bazaars, crafting, and repairing equipment are not going to make that a successful investment or keep the infrastructure running. If that's the type of game you want, you're going to have to hold out hope for indie projects or something.
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calbers91 wrote:
Furia wrote:
Were the game to stay as is, subscriptions would tank and SE would likely be forced to shut it down. There are only so many people willing to put up with broke epic time sinks and bassackward design. This game is built to be a success, not a break even or modest profit side project. The resources would be better spent somewhere that produced a higher return.

Edited, Oct 18th 2010 3:45pm by Furia



I dissagree. If SE kept the game the way it was, then yes a lot of people would possibly leave. They would either leave or learn how to make it work and make something of it. This is why and how this game was designed to be. The hardcore players/fans who want a challenge would stay, while the naysayers left. As people made use of SE's features in the game, more people would come, and everything would flow. It would take time. This way makes a great unique mmorpg.
Tedium is not challenge. Oh and SE wanted to make the game more casual friendly than FFXI, not less.
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You chose to pay for this game monthly. It's your decision to like FFXIV for the way it is. Not SE. If you don't? Then quit. I personally think if people gave this game a chance and actually tried its new and different play styles (no ah for example)that people are calling problems and make something of it.. we could of made a great game. It seems like people want everything handed to them in the game.. well this is not that game so stop complaining.. I understand what SE was trying to do here.. All of these "problems" were not problems at all. They made it this way for a reason. They didn't mess up.. they knew exactly what they are doing. Us as players, we were supposed to make our own economy. We were supposed to create how everything works. It's like being born into a completely different world with free will. Do you get it? .. and all of these people complaining are ruining that. For example, you could be the greatest known trader in your server because thats how the game is right now. You have to buy from other people. It gives you, your character, a reputation from real players. How do you find this person again? add him as a friend. This is why the classes are made the way they were. Oh hey its "Chris the woodworker" He has good prices... I need more arrows for my bow, Ill tell my other archer friends about him. You just made business, and a friend, and possibly someone to party with. That Chris is a real player! not a npc.. do you get it??? A search or an auction house would ruin this.. and I don't want them to change it! Why? because this little change would change everything about the economy and how people view the game. This feature makes ffxiv different from every other mmorpg.


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1. I pay for games all the time and some of them I don't like. Do you know what I do? I don't play it.
2. SE has more money then you can imagine. You are saying SE is all about money instead of their game. SE puts a lot of hardwork and thought into their games. It's not about money. There are way more then a few dozen hardcore gamers that are looking for a change in mmorpg world.
3. The smooth I agree with. There is nothing wrong with fixing the lag problems. I am talking about the "core" of the game and how it is structured.
4. Again, if you feel this way.. then why are you playing?
5.I agree, but I do not believe the economy setup needs to be "fixed". It is not a problem.


I'm sorry you feel this way, but I am not as passive as you are. When I buy something and I'm not satisfied with it, I don't toss it aside or forget about it. I try to get my money's worth or get my money back. We don't live in a buyer-beware society like the Ferengis and there's no barrier between me and the vendor.

On that token, SE is also not a person. SE is an international corporation. It doesn't magically have a lot of money that it can stand to lose, it's supported by investors and shareholders who get really, really ******* ****** when they lose their money. The DEVELOPERS might have lofty visions of their game, but their bosses and their investors don't; if the customers dislike the game, **** hits the fan. When an overwhelming majority of your customers or possible customers are complaining about feature X or design Y, things need to start happening.
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Furia wrote:
calbers91 wrote:
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But people don't WANT this to be like real life.

I don't want to work my *** off to sell some junk I found from killing mobs.
I don't want to work my *** off to buy items if I want to level up.
I don't want to work my *** off to PLAY THE GAME.

Some of the hurdles that SE set for us make a lot of parts of the game unfun. First and foremost a game needs to be fun, intuitive second, and everything else a distant third.

Market wards are a great idea, but searching and being able to get a list of prices from every vendor on the fly is pretty much essential for any MMO these days. SE can still keep the market ward spirit, but have it function more like a traditional AH.


Okay, and if these people don't want any of this, including you. Then go play a different mmorpg where everything is easy to get. This is where ffxiv could of succeeded passed other mmorpg's.


Again, this is not a low-budget niche project aimed at small and specific demographic. All told, they probably sank like 100+ million dollars into this. 50,000 super nerds that want to role play and spend 10 hours a day on nothing but bazaars, crafting, and repairing equipment are not going to make that a successful investment or keep the infrastructure running. If that's the type of game you want, you're going to have to hold out hope for indie projects or something.


Do you know this as a fact? There is 6 billion people in the world and you are telling me there is not at least a million hardcore gamers out there?
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calbers91 wrote:
Furia wrote:
calbers91 wrote:
Wolfums wrote:
But people don't WANT this to be like real life.

I don't want to work my *** off to sell some junk I found from killing mobs.
I don't want to work my *** off to buy items if I want to level up.
I don't want to work my *** off to PLAY THE GAME.

Some of the hurdles that SE set for us make a lot of parts of the game unfun. First and foremost a game needs to be fun, intuitive second, and everything else a distant third.

Market wards are a great idea, but searching and being able to get a list of prices from every vendor on the fly is pretty much essential for any MMO these days. SE can still keep the market ward spirit, but have it function more like a traditional AH.


Okay, and if these people don't want any of this, including you. Then go play a different mmorpg where everything is easy to get. This is where ffxiv could of succeeded passed other mmorpg's.


Again, this is not a low-budget niche project aimed at small and specific demographic. All told, they probably sank like 100+ million dollars into this. 50,000 super nerds that want to role play and spend 10 hours a day on nothing but bazaars, crafting, and repairing equipment are not going to make that a successful investment or keep the infrastructure running. If that's the type of game you want, you're going to have to hold out hope for indie projects or something.


Do you know this as a fact? There is 6 billion people in the world and you are telling me there is not at least a million hardcore gamers out there?
That are willing to play FFXIV? Nope. The running total for game sales is 333,911. That's purely box sales, so not counting people who have quit already. Japanese sales figures are mysteriously missing, but based on how badly the game is being reviewd in Japan, I would not expect there to be more than double the sales there compared to the rest of the planet.
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Do you know this as a fact? There is 6 billion people in the world and you are telling me there is not at least a million hardcore gamers out there?


How many of those 6 billion people were in SE's targeted regions?
How many of THOSE people have computers?
How many of the people who have computers are gamers?
How many of those gamers are MMO gamers?
How many of those MMO gamers are hardcore MMO gamers?

I think you'll find that the number is dramatically smaller than you expect. There's an average of what, 2000 people per server now? I'd say FF14 has, at best, 100k PLAYERS right now. Subscriptions haven't even started since we're still in free trial.
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There's an average of what, 2000 people per server now?
Bodhum typically shows around 1.1k-1.4k players online when I'm logged in.
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#31calbers91, Posted: Oct 18 2010 at 2:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I understand SE is a corporation. Do you know how much they lost so far? They are smart, they have been in the gaming business for a long time, and have alot of money saved up. They know how they created the game, and they knew it was going to take a while to get money. I don't think it's about money though
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So ya....I see all the back and forth and blah blah blah......just an FYI...I still like the game :)

So...to everyone who complains...carry on :P and to those who like the game....carry on :P It will get better in time I think ^_^.....I hope o.o; can't get worse right? ^_^;
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#34calbers91, Posted: Oct 18 2010 at 3:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This is what I am saying lol.
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I don't think it's about money though
Then you're dumber than I give you credit for.
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I am not going to "flame on" like the human torch about this post, but I wanted to say...

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That Chris is a real player! not a npc.. do you get it??? A search or an auction house would ruin this.. and I don't want them to change it!


I made a ton of friends through the AH in ffxi. By paying attention to who sold what to me and if they sold it fair, I would check the sales record and /tell those players for a deal. AH -> friends -> private sale. Also, I don't see a player's name on a retainer, so I really don't know who owns that NPC to /tell them I want to do private business with them. I could buy something from my gf and not even know it was her because I don't know her retainer's name...

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Okay, and if these people don't want any of this, including you. Then go play a different mmorpg where everything is easy to get. This is where ffxiv could of succeeded passed other mmorpg's.


The resorting to "play it this way or go home" is equivalent to cussing someone out on a forum. When you resort to the "i'm gonna tell you what to do" reply, you have lost your grasp on the subject and your resource well has run dry. Players do have a right to comment on the status of the product they are purchasing. Ultimately it is up to the provider to determine if they want to listen or not. Just because they had a vision and want us to adhere to it, doesn't mean we can't give criticism. I think the majority of the AH wanters would be ok if the retainer system was fixed to allow easy browsing. The problem is NOT THE NEW IDEA but HOW POORLY THAT IDEA WAS IMPLEMENTED. You can't fault people for wanting a service that is polished over one that is jagged and unclean.

We do have the right to walk away from the game, but we as buyers have a right to give feedback as well. Some of us are more tactful than others. We aren't whining because we hate the game, we are commenting because we love the game and want it to succeed.

You, OP, also have to take into consideration that the "complaining" that is being done has so far driven the updates and corrections that are increasing the quality of gameplay. We have voices, so naturally, we like to be heard.

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calbers91 wrote:
Furia wrote:
calbers91 wrote:
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But people don't WANT this to be like real life.

I don't want to work my *** off to sell some junk I found from killing mobs.
I don't want to work my *** off to buy items if I want to level up.
I don't want to work my *** off to PLAY THE GAME.

Some of the hurdles that SE set for us make a lot of parts of the game unfun. First and foremost a game needs to be fun, intuitive second, and everything else a distant third.

Market wards are a great idea, but searching and being able to get a list of prices from every vendor on the fly is pretty much essential for any MMO these days. SE can still keep the market ward spirit, but have it function more like a traditional AH.


Okay, and if these people don't want any of this, including you. Then go play a different mmorpg where everything is easy to get. This is where ffxiv could of succeeded passed other mmorpg's.


Again, this is not a low-budget niche project aimed at small and specific demographic. All told, they probably sank like 100+ million dollars into this. 50,000 super nerds that want to role play and spend 10 hours a day on nothing but bazaars, crafting, and repairing equipment are not going to make that a successful investment or keep the infrastructure running. If that's the type of game you want, you're going to have to hold out hope for indie projects or something.


Do you know this as a fact? There is 6 billion people in the world and you are telling me there is not at least a million hardcore gamers out there?

How does it make them/you "hardcore"? Is the idea the more convoluted a system is or the more masochistic your tendencies the more "hardcore" you are?

Are you one of the hardcore 1337 who refuse to make use of teleport system because it makes the game.. what was that word.. "weaksauce" (I think it was)? Do you always run everywhere? After a levequest, do you always make sure to tell it to dismiss the.. sparkly, glittery, crystal thing then run back to the camp you just left to get the next one only to run back again? Don't forget that you aren't allowed to use the autorun because that likely takes away a portion of your hardcoreness too. Now, you may respond that those were in the game at release and they intended it but don't fall for that BS! They put those types of things in the game for those of us who aren't as "hardcore" as you and yours. Don't let the stuff they put in to help pacify the casual players interfere with you being "hardcore". You've got to "keep it real" and "represent".

Yeah.. I'm being condescending and I know you aren't that bad but I found it amusing. The whole "hardcore" thing has always been kind of confusing and somewhat amusing.

And SE is a corporation with money being it's primary goal. If they thought they could get us to pay $15 a month for a 16-bit side-scroller where all you do is run and run, that would've been what FFXIV was. John Q Stockholder, likely doesn't care 2 shakes what kind of game they put out so long as it makes them money. Fortunately, making good games, that we hopefully enjoy, is what will make them the most money.
#38zoltanrs, Posted: Oct 18 2010 at 6:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Those retards didn't get you a free month. The ones who actually submitted feedback and rational points to SE via their actual feedback means or here in the actual feedback forum maybe did. The whiners just whined. That's what they do.
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I happen to agree with the poster. I am enjoying it myself.
There are bugs, but who cares? Obviously people do or they wouldn't complain.

I won't let you naysayers rain on my parade :D However, I do owe you are a thank you for getting us an extra play month :D



Those retards didn't get you a free month. The ones who actually submitted feedback and rational points to SE via their actual feedback means or here in the actual feedback forum maybe did. The whiners just whined. That's what they do.


My opinions along the lines of if it quacks, walks, and looks like a duck, its a duck. They could shurg off a few bad reviews, from the "foreign media sites". They could have ignored (or waited) on feedback like they did in beta. They could have assumed all the negative feedback forum was 'just customers', who are impossible to please. But when all 3 are upset with you, its time to admit you're wrong.

I also tend to think that (and I imagine SE felt the same), that the people that calmly sent in feedback would have also calmly waited and payed the fees while waiting. The 30 days was more for press as a publicity move, and to keep around some of the people who hit 'unsubscribe'.
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This is my opinion but I think what got the free month was massive subscription cancel before the month was up. I cancelled mine and will play out the rest of the free months. I'm pretty darn sure I'm not alone. Many, like myself, don't plan on re-upping the sub until we see massive improvement. I can also assure you the complaints are being heard.

If SE isn't listening then let people complain but I guess that is not the case since it is ruining (when it is actually fixing) the game. SO far what I've heard people complain about isn't the game being hard but functional dynamic of the game being screwed up. The UI, market, chat, inventory, are all valid complaints. There is nothing challenging when it comes to using the UI, the screwed up market, the crappy chat, and the inventory you can't sort. Those are not challenges. They are simple function of the game that SE has turned into arduous task and time sink.
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I think this guy is trolling, he can't possibly be this dumb.


Feeding trolls is a fun way to pass the time.
#42 Oct 18 2010 at 9:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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You know if the fans of FFXIV would just play the game and stop filling the forums with "praises" of the game, the rest of us would stop complaining. You're not going to convince us that this turkey is going to fly so what are you doing, trying to convince each other that you're having fun?
#43 Oct 18 2010 at 9:28 PM Rating: Good
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You know if the fans of FFXIV would just play the game and stop filling the forums with "praises" of the game, the rest of us would stop complaining. You're not going to convince us that this turkey is going to fly so what are you doing, trying to convince each other that you're having fun?


I sort of agree with this.. Posts were mostly constructive until they turned into "shut up for gtfo" vs "lulz you play this crappy game" wars.
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#44calbers91, Posted: Oct 19 2010 at 5:06 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You are retarded.. I don't even have the will to reply to this. I will say this. If you don't like a certain tv station are you going to stop watching it and choose something else? or are you going to torture yourself into liking it then complain about it everyday. I already know you will choose the complain part. You will realize in the future what I am talking about.
#45calbers91, Posted: Oct 19 2010 at 5:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's amusing the way you perceive things.
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This is my opinion but I think what got the free month was massive subscription cancel before the month was up. I cancelled mine and will play out the rest of the free months. I'm pretty darn sure I'm not alone. Many, like myself, don't plan on re-upping the sub until we see massive improvement. I can also assure you the complaints are being heard.


You aren't alone - I hit unsubscribe as well. I agree that this is probably what was really behind them giving the free month. This is their way of saying - "Wait - we really CAN fix this don't go yet!"

I will continue to check into the game once in a while over the course of the next free month, but if they haven't implemented the basic things that we have been asking for then it's not worth it for me to go through the hassle of buying Crysta to reactivate the account (I finally got that clickbuy account closed, after threatening legal action against them).

I really, really hope that they are reading these forums and not just ignoring what the players really want because of some half-baked vision they have.
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How does it make them/you "hardcore"? Is the idea the more convoluted a system is or the more masochistic your tendencies the more "hardcore" you are?

Are you one of the hardcore 1337 who refuse to make use of teleport system because it makes the game.. what was that word.. "weaksauce" (I think it was)? Do you always run everywhere? After a levequest, do you always make sure to tell it to dismiss the.. sparkly, glittery, crystal thing then run back to the camp you just left to get the next one only to run back again? Don't forget that you aren't allowed to use the autorun because that likely takes away a portion of your hardcoreness too. Now, you may respond that those were in the game at release and they intended it but don't fall for that BS! They put those types of things in the game for those of us who aren't as "hardcore" as you and yours. Don't let the stuff they put in to help pacify the casual players interfere with you being "hardcore". You've got to "keep it real" and "represent".

Yeah.. I'm being condescending and I know you aren't that bad but I found it amusing. The whole "hardcore" thing has always been kind of confusing and somewhat amusing.

And SE is a corporation with money being it's primary goal. If they thought they could get us to pay $15 a month for a 16-bit side-scroller where all you do is run and run, that would've been what FFXIV was. John Q Stockholder, likely doesn't care 2 shakes what kind of game they put out so long as it makes them money. Fortunately, making good games, that we hopefully enjoy, is what will make them the most money.



It's amusing the way you perceive things.

I am pleased I could bring some amusement into your life.

You don't believe that one of the primary goals (if not the primary goal) of a corporation is to make money?
#48 Oct 19 2010 at 6:59 AM Rating: Good
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Wow this thread is still going on?
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#49 Oct 19 2010 at 9:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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SE has more money then you can imagine. You are saying SE is all about money instead of their game. SE puts a lot of hardwork and thought into their games. It's not about money.


You are becoming a laughing stock on this board. SE spent years making this game for pride? LMFAO.

Are they giving the game away. NO!!!! Other games let you download their games for free if you sub. But since SE, who isn't about money according to you, make you purchase the game.

Are they letting you play without a sub? AGain no, not only no but **** no!!! There is nothing free about this game. It is all about making money. Nothing else matters to SE. They didn't make this game so their developer can have a feel good about their work.

So please stop while you are ahead. The more you respond to this post the dumber and dumber you're making yourself look.
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So, OP, how long have you worked for SE here in the States?
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#51 Oct 19 2010 at 11:05 AM Rating: Excellent
You have bequeathed on to us a most fascinating tale, brother! Do go on!
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