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#1 Oct 18 2010 at 9:26 PM Rating: Sub-Default
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.. the reviews wont change or sway opinions of people playing the games.. very similar to a movie review.. if 50 people say a movie sucks and I like it then nothing they say will change my mind.. reviews are pointless when you ENJOY the game.. and if the reviews said the game was amazing we would still have trolls saying it sucks.. sooooo...

its also counterproductive for a forum based on commerce from a games popularity to support and allow constant re-postings of negative reviews..

I dont really see the point.. anyone that plays the game is capable of forming their own opinions.. we dont need reviews for that..

I enjoy the game and look forward to the changes by the end of the year
#2 Oct 18 2010 at 9:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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???? You lost me here.

You honestly think they are posting this to try and convince you not to enjoy the game?

People posting ratings FFXIV has recieved from gaming sites is purely informational. They aren't trying to convince you otherwise. It's just a general forum where posters are saying look at what the rest of the world thinks of this game. Not to change some one's opinion if they like or don't like the game.

#3 Oct 18 2010 at 9:56 PM Rating: Good
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This post is infinitely less valuable than any of the reviews posted.

Not all of us want to invest $50 + $12 a month to find out if this game truly sucks as bad as some say it does. So by giving differing opinions, particularly by those making strides to be objective and realistic (i.e. companies that review games) it gives us a more broad idea of what the game is really like before we buy it.

I've been planning on buying the game but have been cautious, as I'd rather save myself the money, time, and headache. I happen to be a big FF fan and I don't want to ruin the experience for myself by jumping in too early and maybe abandoning it for good. Perhaps it's better for me to wait until things are improved so that I don't taint my experience irreperably.

If you think certain threads are useless, I can assure you that posting another useless thread is not the solution, whether you're right or wrong.

Thanks anyways though...
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#4 Oct 18 2010 at 10:20 PM Rating: Good
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I frequent other sites like eorzeapedia and and ffxivcore but I noticed they operate on a similar mindset that you have. You won't see alot of negative posts there because they delete those posts, and if someone posts why was my post deleted, that posts also gets deleted. I haven't made any such post, but I use to browse those sites almost on a daily basis and see what is happening. I find their high censorship (imo)and their intolerance of dialogue among the community (including disgruntled players) extremely wary. I can't trust those types of sites. Let people have the freedom to reasonably post what they want, and I will consider on my own the validity of any posts.





#5 Oct 18 2010 at 10:30 PM Rating: Good
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djairrick wrote:
.. the reviews wont change or sway opinions of people playing the games.. very similar to a movie review.. if 50 people say a movie sucks and I like it then nothing they say will change my mind.. reviews are pointless when you ENJOY the game.. and if the reviews said the game was amazing we would still have trolls saying it sucks.. sooooo...


But the reviews don't say the game is amazing, they say it is bad soooooo.

If 50 people tell me a movie sucks, I probably won't go pay 9 dollars for a ticket and 20 dollars for drinks and popcorn to see it. I'll just wait till later when it comes on t.v.
#6 Oct 18 2010 at 10:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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djairrick wrote:
.. the reviews wont change or sway opinions of people playing the games.. very similar to a movie review.. if 50 people say a movie sucks and I like it then nothing they say will change my mind.. reviews are pointless when you ENJOY the game.. and if the reviews said the game was amazing we would still have trolls saying it sucks.. sooooo...

its also counterproductive for a forum based on commerce from a games popularity to support and allow constant re-postings of negative reviews..

I dont really see the point.. anyone that plays the game is capable of forming their own opinions.. we dont need reviews for that..

I enjoy the game and look forward to the changes by the end of the year
I will go ahead and consider that you are seriously naive and uninformed (rather than a troll) in order to give you the most polite/helpful answer.

1) Reviews are for those who haven't purchased the game yet, if I were about to buy any game and in order to get the most of my money, I'll look for opinions and reviews of said game to help me making my decision, after all I want to know how I am about to expend my money.

2) While it may seem that leaving only praising posts and comments about game will increase its success and in time return more customers for this site, it's actually counter-productive, if you become biased towards a product and cut the free right of people who want to talk about it, it will eventually become noticeable and hurt your reliability as an information source, which is more important for forum/wiki site than the number of subscribers to a particular game.

3) And ultimately I agree with you, everyone playing the game is capable of forming their own opinions, and consequently have the opportunity to share them which in time will help those trying to figure out if they want to buy the game or not.

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#7 Oct 18 2010 at 11:01 PM Rating: Good
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I would just like to add something to this. You have to take all reviews with a grain of salt. A review is still someone's opinion, and it may vary from you own. I never really pay much attention to MMO reviews anyhow. Most reviewers don't actually play long enough to give a fair review IMO.
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Regardless of how one might feel about reviews, they are extremely important to the overall success of a game. Every unfavorable review potentially translates into lost customers and revenue.

Furthermore, the fact that so many people are pointing out the negative reviews is actually a good thing - it shows that a lot of people care about the quality of this game, are concerned about its current state and want it to get better. If the game was getting such bad reviews and there was either no one here to point them out or people just didn't care, then we'd have bigger problems on our hands.


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#9 Oct 18 2010 at 11:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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I agree...the reviews are important. It's almost reassuring to see them. I found the recently posted 1UP interview to be quite good. Fair and accurate...exactly what a review should be. It's another angle from which to reach SE and hopefully keep them moving in the right direction. On one side, players are providing SE with mountains of feedback that impacts the game's current population. Player commentary and discussions on game forums can influence future buying decisions from people not currently playing the game, but reviews from media outlets also play a huge role in that. When every review that has bee written about XIV since launch (whether you agreed with/liked it or not) is pointing at specific glaring issues that come up time and again, it puts a lot of pressure on SE to address those things or risk a fiscal disaster a year from now.
#10 Oct 18 2010 at 11:46 PM Rating: Default
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i believe eorzwapedia and ffxivcore are more for people that have the game and are enjoying it,somewhere to post the things u like about the game without having to go through the endless reviews that disagree, they get very tiring and just the same problems that people have being repeated, although i do agree that there are problems with this game i feel most negative responses people give would be better to be in the same thread.

To the poster though i would recommend going to a site like those two to discuss what you like and to then use zam for either when the game is annoying you, if u feel like disagreeing with some people or even getting the opinion of people who play other MMO's aswell.

I myself am really enjoying the complexity of this game and finding an MMO that actually differs from WOW, unlike the many WOW clones. Cant wait for the updates to ui and content to further improve it
#11 Oct 18 2010 at 11:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Reading a few major review sites and forming your opinion from just that is pretty naive. It seem people these days just want to be told what to do rather then form their own opinion.

And for those people posting the bad reviews on this site, yes. Yes they are trying to convince people not to play the game. Why else post it. I said it once, and I'll say it again...

I see this site as a Fan site. For fans of the game. This site wouldn't exist without the people that enjoy ffxiv, or ffxi, etc. If all there was were people dissing the game, then no one would even be here. They would all just find something else to do because theres no one to annoy with the negativity other the other people being negative.

See my point?
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#12 Oct 19 2010 at 12:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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djairrick wrote:
.. the reviews wont change or sway opinions of people playing the games.. very similar to a movie review.. if 50 people say a movie sucks and I like it then nothing they say will change my mind.. reviews are pointless when you ENJOY the game.. and if the reviews said the game was amazing we would still have trolls saying it sucks.. sooooo...


Couple of things. A movie costs about 8 bucks. A copy of the collector's edition of this game costs 10 times that. Keep that in mind. Now, if you go to a website that reviews games and all they have is positive reviews of a game, you'd be pretty ****** off if you wasted 80 bucks on it wouldn't you? You would not be likely to ever visit that website again and even if you did, you wouldn't take any of their reviews seriously. Not everything is for everyone. There will always be someone who dislikes something you like, but that doesn't make them a troll.
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#14 Oct 19 2010 at 2:05 AM Rating: Good
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the reviews wont change or sway opinions of people playing the games
I too like the game, but i disagree with your statement. A review is an opinion and opinions influence people. FFXIII is a great example. The game had a good start but after the reviews / opinions came, the game did not sell that good anymore. Why? because of the negative responses / reviews. Good thing about FFXIV is that SE can fix things.
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#15 Oct 19 2010 at 3:59 AM Rating: Good
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Few reasons I think, to help new possible subscribers realise the game is a rotten mess unworthy of their money, to give legitimacy to your own thoughts about the game for those of us unfortunate enough to of bought it and unable to put up with the horrible flaws and lastly cause it's funny to see people slamming on it when it's so horrible.

It's also nice to see Square's arrogance be punished and the "we can do no wrong" attitude be put in it's place.

Oh and when I say give legitimacy to your own thoughts about the game I mean sometimes you will hate a game and almost everyoen else will think it's awesome, it's always nice if you hate something to feel it's not just you and its panned by almost everyone...even a lot of the perople still playing it (please let it get better people).
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#16 Oct 19 2010 at 7:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Tarutinkler the Irrelevant wrote:
Reading a few major review sites and forming your opinion from just that is pretty naive. It seem people these days just want to be told what to do rather then form their own opinion.

And for those people posting the bad reviews on this site, yes. Yes they are trying to convince people not to play the game. Why else post it. I said it once, and I'll say it again...

I see this site as a Fan site. For fans of the game. This site wouldn't exist without the people that enjoy ffxiv, or ffxi, etc. If all there was were people dissing the game, then no one would even be here. They would all just find something else to do because theres no one to annoy with the negativity other the other people being negative.

See my point?



I haven't played the game yet. If I had come to Zam, the only MMO forums I browse, and read nothing but positive remarks and wonderful reviews of the game, and then jumped into the apparent problem-riddled game that FFXIV currently is without warning, I would undoubtedly never return to Zam and probably would abandon FFXIV prematurely as well.

By being informed on the many negatives of the game, I know that if I DO decide to play soon rather than wait for fixes, I know the problems to expect and will be more tolerable of them.

I've read probably as many bad posts as good posts on these forums the past few weeks, and I can't understand why anyone would want to silence the negative posts. Whether you agree or not. FANS of a game can still discuss its weaknesses and problems. I think the term you were looking for was "fanboys," where you irrationally defend a game and act like its perfect.

Anyways, I thank 75% of the posters on these forums, positive and negative. The only posts I feel are pointless are the trolls and the ******* contests some of you boys get into.

Hope I didn't offend, Taru, just expressing my differing opinion and that I appreciate the negative posts, personally.


Edit: Changed verbage to "******* contest" to avoid being offensive. :)

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 9:35am by RivenKito

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 9:36am by RivenKito
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#17 Oct 19 2010 at 7:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Tarutinkler the Irrelevant wrote:
Reading a few major review sites and forming your opinion from just that is pretty naive. It seem people these days just want to be told what to do rather then form their own opinion.

And for those people posting the bad reviews on this site, yes. Yes they are trying to convince people not to play the game. Why else post it. I said it once, and I'll say it again...

I see this site as a Fan site. For fans of the game. This site wouldn't exist without the people that enjoy ffxiv, or ffxi, etc. If all there was were people dissing the game, then no one would even be here. They would all just find something else to do because theres no one to annoy with the negativity other the other people being negative.

See my point?

You do know you can dislike aspects of a game but still like the game or still have hope that it can turn around don't you?
#18 Oct 19 2010 at 11:45 AM Rating: Decent
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djairrick wrote:
.. the reviews wont change or sway opinions of people playing the games.. very similar to a movie review.. if 50 people say a movie sucks and I like it then nothing they say will change my mind.. reviews are pointless when you ENJOY the game.. and if the reviews said the game was amazing we would still have trolls saying it sucks.. sooooo...

its also counterproductive for a forum based on commerce from a games popularity to support and allow constant re-postings of negative reviews..

I dont really see the point.. anyone that plays the game is capable of forming their own opinions.. we dont need reviews for that..

I enjoy the game and look forward to the changes by the end of the year
So why does anyone release a review of anything ever?

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I agree...the reviews are important. It's almost reassuring to see them. I found the recently posted 1UP interview to be quite good. Fair and accurate...exactly what a review should be. It's another angle from which to reach SE and hopefully keep them moving in the right direction. On one side, players are providing SE with mountains of feedback that impacts the game's current population. Player commentary and discussions on game forums can influence future buying decisions from people not currently playing the game, but reviews from media outlets also play a huge role in that. When every review that has bee written about XIV since launch (whether you agreed with/liked it or not) is pointing at specific glaring issues that come up time and again, it puts a lot of pressure on SE to address those things or risk a fiscal disaster a year from now.
Whoa, who are you and where did you dispose of Aurelius's body?

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 12:48pm by bsphil
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