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#1 Oct 19 2010 at 2:27 PM Rating: Default
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FFXIV horrible launch, bad UI, laggy, unintuitive, not K/B mouse friendly, lack of content, needs updates.....5/10 or lower!

Did I miss anything? I think we all know how these magazines will review FFXIV from here on out, whats the point of posting every new copypasta'd (you're welcome Mike B) review?

It's old news and basically beating a dead horse.

I'm looking forward to the day when actual constructive posts happen on this forum.
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#2 Oct 19 2010 at 2:33 PM Rating: Decent
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answer to your question:

Cataclysm will be out shortly. by then the 60 day free trial will be up and most of the ffxiv haters will be out of the game (hopefully!)

With the advent of Cataclysm, the ffxiv haters will spend about an extra 2 months churning the hatred on the forums and just how much cataclysm "pwns" and ffxiv "sux" .

Eventually, they will be more interested in playing their game than hanging in the ffxiv forums, except for the occasional troll or two.

So.. i'd give it about three more months, before the ffxiv community can have a generally troll free environment were we can discuss gaming topics.

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#3 Oct 19 2010 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
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I agree. It's a living game, with a constant development cycle. Everyone knows things will get fixed, within time. But it won't happen overnight. And anyone who reads the forums constantly already knows about all these bad reviews. It's getting old :-(

I personally think the recent patch was a step in the right direction, regardless of the fact that it still needs work. As long as things don't get worse, I'm perfectly fine playing in the meantime.
#4 Oct 19 2010 at 2:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Once the WoW expansion comes out you will likely get your wish and everyone will leave. The problem is that once everyone leaves you won't have a game to post constructively about.
#5 Oct 19 2010 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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InchKujata wrote:
answer to your question:

Cataclysm will be out shortly. by then the 60 day free trial will be up and most of the ffxiv haters will be out of the game (hopefully!)

With the advent of Cataclysm, the ffxiv haters will spend about an extra 2 months churning the hatred on the forums and just how much cataclysm "pwns" and ffxiv "sux" .

Eventually, they will be more interested in playing their game than hanging in the ffxiv forums, except for the occasional troll or two.

So.. i'd give it about three more months, before the ffxiv community can have a generally troll free environment were we can discuss gaming topics.

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 5:34pm by InchKujata



But then the forums will be crying out for server merges. And then after that the Console community will start the whole cycle anew. I expect you'll be able to discuss gaming content in about 2 years, when some content is finally patched in, instead of fixes.
#6 Oct 19 2010 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
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I'm at a loss as to why you people want players to turn away from FF14...

Regardless if they are "immature" or not, more players equals more money for SE which means more stuff for FF14.

The "leave us alone and go play another game" point of view is fallacious.
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#7 Oct 19 2010 at 2:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Its pointless to review a new MMO in my opinion anyway. The good news is that everything will be fixed and improved eventually so I suggest playing the parts you can stomach for now. If thats not possible then play something else until December when things should improve. Cataclysm shouldnt be compared to ffxiv anyway. Should only be compared with anything ffxi does since they both have years under their belts.

Anyone foolish enough to compare WoW's new expansion to FFxiv has issues. Kinda like putting a grown man against an infant in a fight and cheering that the grown man won. :(

I love the game but am not blind to its flaws. However knowing that its dynamic and an MMO takes most of the sting out of it. If it were an offline game then it would be a different story altogether.
#8 Oct 19 2010 at 2:48 PM Rating: Decent
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pfft...have you ever watched an academy award winning movies that sucked?
sure you have...
critics!!! *rolls eyes*

People that review games are giving their first impressions of a game...not a true rating of the overall game play.
You can't rate a game till you've played it for longer then a week or so...and are they diehard gamers, which is what most mmo players are?

I'm frustrated with most of the new mmo's I've played for the first little while. It's the nature of the beast.

No worries...we'll still be here playing. I bought the game cuz I have faith in SE. Sure that faith has been tested in the past few weeks....but I'm still holding out faith in them. I really think SE will make this into a game all of us FF fans can get behind. It'll never be perfect...but RL is far from perfect too.
#9 Oct 19 2010 at 2:52 PM Rating: Decent
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pfft...have you ever watched an academy award winning movies that sucked?
sure you have...
critics!!! *rolls eyes*



Yes the year was 1997 and Titanic won best film! that movie sucked! =P
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#10 Oct 19 2010 at 2:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Since the reviewers gave the game horrible scores, all the SE zealots are saying things like.

"Reviews dont count for a new MMO"....."Who even cares about reviews"

If they were giving the game good scores no one would be saying that.
#11 Oct 19 2010 at 2:55 PM Rating: Default
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well there you have it...

some ppl thought that was a fine movie.
Just goes to show you...everyone has different expectations. So I guess if you didn't like Titanic we'd all just say "well then...go back to WoW" hehe
#12 Oct 19 2010 at 2:56 PM Rating: Default
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SevenLittleChipmunks wrote:
Montydataru wrote:
pfft...have you ever watched an academy award winning movies that sucked?
sure you have...
critics!!! *rolls eyes*



Yes the year was 1997 and Titanic won best film! that movie sucked! =P



No country for old men is the first one that pops into my head
#13 Oct 19 2010 at 2:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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The silver lining is that hopefully the all this negative press will kick SE's into high gear into improving this game.
#14 Oct 19 2010 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
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If FFXIV had Kate Winslet naked it would be a much better game.
#15 Oct 19 2010 at 2:57 PM Rating: Default
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Its pointless to review a new MMO in my opinion anyway. The good news is that everything will be fixed and improved eventually so I suggest playing the parts you can stomach for now. If thats not possible then play something else until December when things should improve. Cataclysm shouldnt be compared to ffxiv anyway. Should only be compared with anything ffxi does since they both have years under their belts.

Anyone foolish enough to compare WoW's new expansion to FFxiv has issues. Kinda like putting a grown man against an infant in a fight and cheering that the grown man won. :(

I love the game but am not blind to its flaws. However knowing that its dynamic and an MMO takes most of the sting out of it. If it were an offline game then it would be a different story altogether.



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#16 Oct 19 2010 at 2:59 PM Rating: Good
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KristoFurwalken wrote:
Since the reviewers gave the game horrible scores, all the SE zealots are saying things like.

"Reviews dont count for a new MMO"....."Who even cares about reviews"

If they were giving the game good scores no one would be saying that.


The FFXIV fanbois will defend this game to the end. They will be merged down to 1 server, and still they will be declaring, "The game is good, everything is going to be fixed in 2 months! If you don't like it you are an idiot that needs to go play WoW!".

They have to because for the most rabid fanbois, admitting the game is a failure is admitting they were wrong. They were wrong to spend hundreds of dollars on their PC to play this game. They were wrong when they claimed, "It is only beta, it will be fixed by release!". They are wrong now when they say, "It is going to be fixed by December, SE knows what they are doing!".

Remember, these are the people that spent $75 on the CE, got their game at midnight, and took days off work to play the game at launch. They would look pretty foolish if they did all that for a game that is a complete failure.

As soon as they stop defending the game they are admitting they were wrong for the past 6 months while they were building up their loyalty and fanboi-ism. Most of these people are simply unable to admit that they are wrong, the game sucks, and it is a complete and utter failure.

ETA: This is the first time I have EVER seen a group of fanbois claim that MMO reviews in general are pointless. I have seen many fanbois argue against a specific review of their favorite game, but never seen them dismiss all reviews in general.

Of course I have never before followed a game that was universdall slammed by every single reviewer in the industry, so I guess the only way to defend the game against every single reviewer in the industry is to simply dismiss all reviews.

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 5:05pm by Enscheff
#17 Oct 19 2010 at 3:10 PM Rating: Good
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I enjoy reading all the negative reviews. Not because I hate FFXIV, but because I can relate and mostly agree with them. It reinforces my opinion of the game. I have no problem canceling my account after the free period and coming back in 6 months - I think this game will be much better by then. But all of the reviews are mostly accurate and the Square Enix deserves the online whipping that they have gotten.

My question to you OP, is: Every MMORPG is reviewed on its release, why should FFXIV be the exception? Why should reviewers have to wait for FFXIV to patch up all its mistakes, but not other MMOs? Dont be a fanboy for the sake of being one.
#18 Oct 19 2010 at 3:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Enscheff wrote:
They were wrong to spend hundreds of dollars on their PC to play this game. They were wrong when they claimed, "It is only beta, it will be fixed by release!". They are wrong now when they say, "It is going to be fixed by December, SE knows what they are doing!".

Remember, these are the people that spent $75 on the CE, got their game at midnight, and took days off work to play the game at launch. They would look pretty foolish if they did all that for a game that is a complete failure.



Dude, I am enjoying the game. Nothing you say will change that. Some dude playing the game for three hours and reviewing it won't change that. I happen to like the fact that the game doesn't hold my hand. Half of these bad reviews is people whining that they don't know how to play the game. Well if they had half a brain and played for more than three hours it wouldn't be a problem anymore.

And please stop with the fanboy garbage. Yeah, I am a fan but I am not a guy. Not a boy. Not a boi either. If you think this game sucks so much please - by all means - get lost.

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#19 Oct 19 2010 at 3:17 PM Rating: Good
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Cylanth,

I think the original poster was trying to say that "We get it. It has a bunch of problems." Every single review says the exact same thing. To post a separate forum topic for every bad review is just redundant when they say the same exact thing. In fact, it almost looks like every new review that comes out is just copying and pasting the review before it, changing the words, and resituating their comments.

So, we get it. At the very least, start ONE topic and consolidate all FFXIV reviews into that one. Please?
#20 Oct 19 2010 at 3:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Everyone knows exactly how the review is going to play out. Everyone knows the state of FFXIV. Some people are mad as **** at SE and others are patiently waiting for the patches to come down the pipe.

It's just frustrating to see constructive posts about the game get buried by all the smearing of XIV.

Does it deserve these harsh reviews? Absolutely!

I know I can just ignore the posts the read: XYZ magazine review of FFXIV. But it kicks other topics that might be helpful off the front page, off the 2nd page, off the 3rd page. Maybe not that far. Like I said we all know no one is going to review FFXIV in a favorable light, not in it current state. I don't think if the reviews were reversed and XIV was receiving glowing reviews that fanbois would be posting ABC game FFXIV a 10/10! look another 8/10 review! high five guys! all right!

I'm not saying don't review FFXIV. I'm saying whens enough enough? When can people who are trying to be constructive and better the community get a breather from all the slamming and smearing? Deserving or not. I for one will be happy when the haters get tired and leave the "fan site" to the fans.
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#21 Oct 19 2010 at 7:46 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not saying don't review FFXIV. I'm saying whens enough enough? When can people who are trying to be constructive and better the community get a breather from all the slamming and smearing? Deserving or not. I for one will be happy when the haters get tired and leave the "fan site" to the fans.


the problem is, is that constructive critisim is viewed as slamming and smearing on these forums.

For every obviously broken mechanic / feature that some one suggests reasonable fixes / alternatives or just plain reasons why they do not think it works there are a horde of fanboys telling them to go play wow and gtfo of their game.
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Enscheff wrote:

The FFXIV fanbois will defend this game to the end. They will be merged down to 1 server, and still they will be declaring, "The game is good, everything is going to be fixed in 2 months! If you don't like it you are an idiot that needs to go play WoW!".

They have to because for the most rabid fanbois, admitting the game is a failure is admitting they were wrong. They were wrong to spend hundreds of dollars on their PC to play this game. They were wrong when they claimed, "It is only beta, it will be fixed by release!". They are wrong now when they say, "It is going to be fixed by December, SE knows what they are doing!".

Remember, these are the people that spent $75 on the CE, got their game at midnight, and took days off work to play the game at launch. They would look pretty foolish if they did all that for a game that is a complete failure.

As soon as they stop defending the game they are admitting they were wrong for the past 6 months while they were building up their loyalty and fanboi-ism. Most of these people are simply unable to admit that they are wrong, the game sucks, and it is a complete and utter failure.

ETA: This is the first time I have EVER seen a group of fanbois claim that MMO reviews in general are pointless. I have seen many fanbois argue against a specific review of their favorite game, but never seen them dismiss all reviews in general.

Of course I have never before followed a game that was universdall slammed by every single reviewer in the industry, so I guess the only way to defend the game against every single reviewer in the industry is to simply dismiss all reviews.

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 5:05pm by Enscheff


You're right! I'm not having fun at all, I'm just in denial. Every human being is just like you! We all secretly hate the game! I can't wait to log in to hate this game!

Or maybe YOU hate the game just like I hated WoW, WAR etc because it's not for you? Ofcourse not, Were all just like you.
#23 Oct 19 2010 at 8:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dude, I am enjoying the game. Nothing you say will change that. Some dude playing the game for three hours and reviewing it won't change that. I happen to like the fact that the game doesn't hold my hand. Half of these bad reviews is people whining that they don't know how to play the game. Well if they had half a brain and played for more than three hours it wouldn't be a problem anymore.


To be fair, I don't think the common complaint has been, "I can't ever figure this thing out" but more like, "they don't explain multiple portions of the game well - or at all - which forces you to check fansites early and often for reference."

I also challenge you on your assertion that the reviewers played FFXIV for only three hours. Especially with the ign and 1up reviews - they both explain elements that would take days to get to, let alone a few hours. You dismiss the reviewers as being stupid and taking little time to delve into the game, but to the contrary, the reviews are written in a manner that suggests otherwise.

Also, I trimmed your post, but if you don't like being called a fanboi, I get that, but calling others stupid kind of puts you in the same boat. It's petty name-calling either way.
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#24 Oct 19 2010 at 9:26 PM Rating: Good
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Cataclysm is not what will be the only factor in people leaving. There are other mmo and games coming out very soon that will decide FFXIV's fate. I love reading people posting and thinking that wow is the only alternative and that the people that leave are emo's that will only play wow. The fact is that wow and most other mmo games on the market have "most" everything in spades. Wow already has 12 million active subscribers which was reported about a month ago. By active, it means that they are paying subscriptions.

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#25 Oct 19 2010 at 9:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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I love reading people posting and thinking that wow is the only alternative and that the people that leave are emo's that will only play wow.


I do too, to be honest. You'd think that WoW was the only other game in existence.

Here's a tip: Fallout New Vegas just shipped the CE, and although the numbers aren't out yet I'm willing to stake some gil that they shipped more boxes in one day than SE has of FFXIV to date.

Fable III is due to ship later this month, and I wouldn't be surprised if they have the same amount of sales.

This game has far more competition than just other MMOS - it has to compete with virtually every other game being released in the next several years. People are going to spend their time and money wisely, and while there are a handful of die hard fans who can overlook XIV's shortcomings, there are far more people who will choose a different MMO or just busy themselves with offline games and not even be bothered.

When you are asking people to part with their money, you have to show them what the value is for doing it. SE should have waited. They shouldn't have been in such a rabid rush to beat Cataclysm to the shelves (if that was even their real reason). If they had taken more time to polish, listen, and fix the issues... Well that game that you fanbois keep drawing attention to wouldn't be about to crush them on Pearl Harbor Day (of all days).

The reviews are legitimate, and there is no reason to stop posting links to them as they are published. Everyone has a right to be informed about the product they are buying. I wish I hadn't been such a rabid SE fangirl and gotten the CE, myself. 80 bucks wasted for a game I barely have the heart to log into - even with the extra free month.



#26 Oct 19 2010 at 10:58 PM Rating: Good
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If someone is actually enjoying this game thats great for them, and they should just ignore reviews.

Just like if every film critic says a new movie is the worst movie of the year, but you watch it and enjoy it, thats great.




But just know that you're wrong and have horrible taste.
#27 Oct 19 2010 at 11:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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SevenLittleChipmunks wrote:


It's old news and basically beating a dead horse.

I'm looking forward to the day when actual constructive posts happen on this forum.


complaining about this basically beating a dead horse. theres already 100 threads saying the same thing.

starting a negative thread and saying you look forward to constructive posts seems fairly stupid imho.
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#28 Oct 19 2010 at 11:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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seriously OP. what constructive posts are you wait for. every non "hate thread" I see is asking for the location of an NPC, or asking how to get guild marks on your "main" (short answer, get 10 levels). People like to talk about reviews. when someone asks a general question about the game the response is usually along the lines of "omg check the <insert one of the many player guides>".

If you plain don't like hearing people talk about a game negatively, I'd go ahead and wait until the population who bought this game based on SE's lies or misunderstanding of what casual means goes ahead and gives up/dies out. alot of us are still working off $75 worth of anger.
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Its pointless to review a new MMO in my opinion anyway. The good news is that everything will be fixed and improved eventually so I suggest playing the parts you can stomach for now. If thats not possible then play something else until December when things should improve. Cataclysm shouldnt be compared to ffxiv anyway. Should only be compared with anything ffxi does since they both have years under their belts.

Anyone foolish enough to compare WoW's new expansion to FFxiv has issues. Kinda like putting a grown man against an infant in a fight and cheering that the grown man won. :(

I love the game but am not blind to its flaws. However knowing that its dynamic and an MMO takes most of the sting out of it. If it were an offline game then it would be a different story altogether.


actually it's not foolish to review an MMO on release. If a game bombs, then it tells other companies what NOT to do, and it makes the people developing the game know that when the game is released, the game better actually be ready.

FFXIV deserved it's scores.
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InchKujata wrote:
With the advent of Cataclysm, the ffxiv haters will spend about an extra 2 months churning the hatred on the forums and just how much cataclysm "pwns" and ffxiv "sux".
All or most of the 'haters' could have easily been converted into staunch proponents, if only the game was good. That's all it would have taken. I guarantee you there was not a single solitary person who went out and bought the game planning ahead of time to hate it and bash it on forums.

The 'hate' you speak of is a reaction to the quality of the product.
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InchKujata wrote:
With the advent of Cataclysm, the ffxiv haters will spend about an extra 2 months churning the hatred on the forums and just how much cataclysm "pwns" and ffxiv "sux".
All or most of the 'haters' could have easily been converted into staunch proponents, if only the game was good. That's all it would have taken. I guarantee you there was not a single solitary person who went out and bought the game planning ahead of time to hate it and bash it on forums.

The 'hate' you speak of is a reaction to the quality of the product.


I have to agree with the above. I am in no way some secret agent trying to make this game look bad, it does that on it's own. I really wanted this game to be the best MMO out there, if I didn't I wouldn't have bought the CE. To put it mildly, I am very disappointed in the way it came out and hope that it can be fixed. And to the OP, I don't think it's a bad thing to point out what you don't like, it's not just hating on something because you point out flaws. I am going to hold on to some hope that the next version release will fix the game but having been through 6 years of FFXI and seeing how that development team has consistently over promised and under delivered I'm giving it one more chance only.
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#32 Oct 20 2010 at 6:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Once the WoW expansion comes out you will likely get your wish and everyone will leave. The problem is that once everyone leaves you won't have a game to post constructively about.


Everyone's not going to leave. There's currently an estimated 200-300k people subscribing right now, and what, maybe 50 or a hundred people complaining on these forums, if that? SE is doing enough to keep most of the people in the game playing, in the game playing. It's the constant nay-sayers who never have anything positive to say that people are getting tired of. Yeah there will be a falloff, there always is, but more people will fill those holes over time. We don't have to worry one bit about not having a game to play for at least until the next in the Final Fantasy MMO series comes out. But I agree, it will be nice to finally have a forum to post in that doesn't consist 90% of flame wars and daily trolling.
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And to the OP, I don't think it's a bad thing to point out what you don't like, it's not just hating on something because you point out flaws. I am going to hold on to some hope that the next version release will fix the game but having been through 6 years of FFXI and seeing how that development team has consistently over promised and under delivered I'm giving it one more chance only.


Pointing out flaws and providing feedback, ideas, proposed changes is being constructive.

Putting up another review does nothing. It's people gloating "I told you SE would fail" "I predicted this from alpha" "Oh man! this mag ripped XIV a new one!"

I agree SE has a up hill battle from here on out. They released a product that was in no way close to ready. I'm not saying it was. During Alpha and Beta, I had faith SE was holding back a lot of the content so as that it would be fresh to all player upon release. Boy was I wrong. They made some huge changes from alpha to beta and a few more to open beta. They have the manpower behind them to push out many changes sched. for December update. I'm not holding my breath that it's going to totally turn XIV around but it'll put it on the correct course.

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To those who feel my OP wasn't being constructive by calling out those who aren't being just that on these forums. I felt it was more of "We know, we know SE really screwed the pooch on this one, lets put it behind us because lets face it. Every magazine review will be more or less the same as the first. Now lets focus on what works in this game, and how to make what doesn't better." Thats in my opinion is fairly constructive.

But my opinions aren't yours and yours aren't mine. so TADA!


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200-300k subs? Not even close. If the servers each had 10k players that would make it 180k players max. That 10k per server is extremely generous. The real numbers are closer to 6-7k max per server. This would put the total numbers in the range of 130k players total for FFXIV.
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pfft...have you ever watched an academy award winning movies that sucked?
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critics!!! *rolls eyes*


Hurt Locker was disappointing :/

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KristoFurwalken wrote:
Since the reviewers gave the game horrible scores, all the SE zealots are saying things like.

"Reviews dont count for a new MMO"....."Who even cares about reviews"

If they were giving the game good scores no one would be saying that.


The FFXIV fanbois will defend this game to the end. They will be merged down to 1 server, and still they will be declaring, "The game is good, everything is going to be fixed in 2 months! If you don't like it you are an idiot that needs to go play WoW!".

They have to because for the most rabid fanbois, admitting the game is a failure is admitting they were wrong. They were wrong to spend hundreds of dollars on their PC to play this game. They were wrong when they claimed, "It is only beta, it will be fixed by release!". They are wrong now when they say, "It is going to be fixed by December, SE knows what they are doing!".

Remember, these are the people that spent $75 on the CE, got their game at midnight, and took days off work to play the game at launch. They would look pretty foolish if they did all that for a game that is a complete failure.

As soon as they stop defending the game they are admitting they were wrong for the past 6 months while they were building up their loyalty and fanboi-ism. Most of these people are simply unable to admit that they are wrong, the game sucks, and it is a complete and utter failure.

ETA: This is the first time I have EVER seen a group of fanbois claim that MMO reviews in general are pointless. I have seen many fanbois argue against a specific review of their favorite game, but never seen them dismiss all reviews in general.

Of course I have never before followed a game that was universdall slammed by every single reviewer in the industry, so I guess the only way to defend the game against every single reviewer in the industry is to simply dismiss all reviews.

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 5:05pm by Enscheff


So you would buy ffxi now (if you dont already have it and want it) based on the 8yr old reviews from the origanal jp release saying "no one could log on for most of the free month" "theres no AH" (took 1 month after release for them to put the AH in) "there are only 15 field zones and no dungions (sp?)"

That is why reviews are useless for mmos due to the amount the can and do change in 1yr, in sept 2011 ffxiv will be a completly differant game and what i mentioned is what the origanal jp release of xi was like also from what i heard WoW got crap reviews at launch, look at it now (for some reason) its the one of if not the biggest MMO live (not checked the numbers yet).

So reviews for MMOs are pointless at launch, however they have useafter about 6 months.

The only time launch reviews have use is for console games which are static MMOs are dynamic, but i dont suppose those 2 words are in your vocabulary are they.
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#37 Oct 20 2010 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
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200-300k subs? Not even close. If the servers each had 10k players that would make it 180k players max. That 10k per server is extremely generous. The real numbers are closer to 6-7k max per server. This would put the total numbers in the range of 130k players total for FFXIV.


And keep in mind this is in the middle of a time when it is FREE to play. That is the fact most of the fanbois are missing.

IT IS FREE TO PLAY AND HAS LOW POPULATIONS.

Think about exactly what that means...Folks spent $50-$75 on the game, and don't even play it for free. That chunk of change they forked over doesn't make them stick it out through the free play time. The game is THAT bad. Period.

At this point in the game you fanbois should be talking about adding servers. If this few people play when it is free, how many will stick around when they have to start paying? My guess: about half.

How much dev support and fixes and new content do you think SE is going to put into a game with less than 100k subscribers?

Edited, Oct 20th 2010 12:40pm by Enscheff
#38 Oct 20 2010 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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I think this what the majority of the h8ters are missing is that many people are still having fun with FFXIV. The pointless beating of dead horse venting your anger and believing everyone should be as miserable is not going to change the facts that people are having fun with it.

If you are not having fun with it, then that is you. If 1 million people are not having fun with it that is them. As long as the individual player is having fun then he is having fun.

Whether the game dies out or not is none of your concern - since you are not having fun and (I assume from all the QQing) are going to quit. So just quit, and let the ruthless laws of economics work its course.

Whether you crawl back 10 month later from whatever MMORPG/Game/Distraction you vented to, or whether in 10 month FFXIV turns off its servers (and those who are having fun have had 10 month of fun), is not up to you or me. Wasting your energy on this dead horse is only going to make you more upset - because well, there are those who disagree with you and HOW DARE THEY DEFEND THIS PIECE OF CRAP GAME I HATE!!!

Because you guys obviously have problems manage your impulses.

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#39 Oct 20 2010 at 11:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Olorinus the Vile wrote:

Dude, I am enjoying the game. Nothing you say will change that. Some dude playing the game for three hours and reviewing it won't change that. I happen to like the fact that the game doesn't hold my hand. Half of these bad reviews is people whining that they don't know how to play the game. Well if they had half a brain and played for more than three hours it wouldn't be a problem anymore.


To be fair, I don't think the common complaint has been, "I can't ever figure this thing out" but more like, "they don't explain multiple portions of the game well - or at all - which forces you to check fansites early and often for reference."

I also challenge you on your assertion that the reviewers played FFXIV for only three hours. Especially with the ign and 1up reviews - they both explain elements that would take days to get to, let alone a few hours. You dismiss the reviewers as being stupid and taking little time to delve into the game, but to the contrary, the reviews are written in a manner that suggests otherwise.

Also, I trimmed your post, but if you don't like being called a fanboi, I get that, but calling others stupid kind of puts you in the same boat. It's petty name-calling either way.


Well I think the PC gamer review displayed a horrific ignorance... like um how did they miss the fact that you can't buy a gun if they actually played the game? A selection of Elfin races? There is only 1 Elfin race, unless Roegadyn and Miquote and Hyur are "elfin".

The review reads like the guy never played the game at all. Not even for three hours.

Also I never called anyone stupid. I did note that the reviewers were dim-witted - but unlike the people chanting "fanboy this and fanboi that" wasn't talking about anyone on the forum.

Besides the fact that "fanboy" is a sh#tty term which assumes everyone who plays games is a guy - it means pretty much nothing. If I like the game I like it. Go check the feedback forum. I am not blind to the game's problems.

However the game really isn't that bad. **** I just started warhammer to try a little while ago - the thing got better reviews that FFXIV when it was released, right? Yet more than a year later the game sucks WAY harder than FFXIV. The graphics suck, the music is terrible, and the gameplay is empty and boring.

[not to mention that world chat is nothing but RMT spam which I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to turn off - terrible - and no community at all]

Yet that PoS got better reviews at release? Why? What redeeming qualities does it have?

I think that FFXIV deserves some low ratings - but the reviews have been over the top. The game is simply not as bad as people are making it out to be. Also not having things like PvP which are deliberately not in the game (and one of the reasons I like the game) shouldn't be reason for a downrating.



Edited, Oct 20th 2010 10:22am by Olorinus
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#40 Oct 20 2010 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Everyone's not going to leave. There's currently an estimated 200-300k people subscribing right now, and what, maybe 50 or a hundred people complaining on these forums, if that?


Ever hear of the saying "you should speak up. whatever it is you have to say or ask, chances are there are a few more people in the room who are thinking the same thing."

And seriously, as another person said... 200-300k people playing for free right now. Once that monthly fee kicks in, people are not going to be forgiving to glaring issues.

I'm willing to bet a lot of people are in the boat i am in:

I bought the game based on the potential / SE fanboyism. I knew of the issues, i just expected SE to fix them relatively fast. I can understand the 'we tried something new, it didn't take' situation, but it is what they do from there that counts.

Basically, if they do not fix the issues (or at least, take steps to address these) by the end of the free trial i will be canceling.

You can think of it as "better for you community" but i will tell you that you are sorely mistaken. For every 12 yr old or forum troll that leaves the game, there are those of us who are adults, friendly, helpful and knowledgeable who just do not find enjoyment from the game.

In the end, it is a net loss for the game. The good people, however small comparatively, have a much greater impact on the game than those you wish to get rid of.
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You can think of it as "better for you community" but i will tell you that you are sorely mistaken. For every 12 yr old or forum troll that leaves the game, there are those of us who are adults, friendly, helpful and knowledgeable who just do not find enjoyment from the game.

In the end, it is a net loss for the game. The good people, however small comparatively, have a much greater impact on the game than those you wish to get rid of.

It is unfortunately that good people may leave, but I personally would rather they leave and take the 12 year old forum troll with them than they stay and I have to suffer the 12 year old forum troll too.

Nothing ruins a good game like 1 bad apple. So it is better to lose 1 bad apple and 1 good apple, than to keep 1 good apple and also keep 1 bad apple.

:) Not to say we won't be sorry that smart, helpful, kind, and mannered people leave.
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#42 Oct 20 2010 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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answer to your question:

Cataclysm will be out shortly. by then the 60 day free trial will be up and most of the ffxiv haters will be out of the game (hopefully!)

With the advent of Cataclysm, the ffxiv haters will spend about an extra 2 months churning the hatred on the forums and just how much cataclysm "pwns" and ffxiv "sux" .

Eventually, they will be more interested in playing their game than hanging in the ffxiv forums, except for the occasional troll or two.


And then, after they burn through the content in about 1-2 months, and tire of complaining about "sitting around waiting for the next patch" that makes all of their gear obsolete, they'll cancel their WoW subscriptions and play a different MMO, going back and fourth as boredom and caprice dictates.
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One thing that concerns me about online populations, is what % of those on average are people who afk'd with their bazaars up because its still a slightly better way to sell items than the wards.
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InchKujata wrote:
answer to your question:

Cataclysm will be out shortly. by then the 60 day free trial will be up and most of the ffxiv haters will be out of the game (hopefully!)

With the advent of Cataclysm, the ffxiv haters will spend about an extra 2 months churning the hatred on the forums and just how much cataclysm "pwns" and ffxiv "sux" .

Eventually, they will be more interested in playing their game than hanging in the ffxiv forums, except for the occasional troll or two.

So.. i'd give it about three more months, before the ffxiv community can have a generally troll free environment were we can discuss gaming topics.

Edited, Oct 19th 2010 5:34pm by InchKujata


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