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#1 Oct 21 2010 at 4:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Hi everyone,

I'm having a bit of an OS problem here.. I recently installed Windows 7 64-bit (6.1, build 7600) because I read and heard that it supposed to be much more efficient than XP (which I had before), and that it was going to give me a performance boost for my games (especially since I got the 64-bit edition and it would take into account my full 6 gigs of RAM and not just 3,5 like XP 32-bit)

Well as it turns out, it's quite the opposite. I'm actually suffering pretty substantial performance drop compared to XP. I scored 11% lower in the official FFXIV benchmark, but then in the actual game, I dropped from 35-38 FPS in open areas to around 23-29 FPS according to Fraps. That's a HUGE difference, and not in the way I was expecting!

I reinstalled CRYSIS to see how it affected another game and it's the same thing. On the same settings as on XP, a comparable drop as with FFXIV. WTF??

Could it be because those apps are not 64-bit native, the system has to do some sort of conversion to compensate, hence the performance hit? (that hardly sounds like it makes sense but I'm desperately trying to understand what's causing this.)

Or am I doing something wrong? Is there something I can tweak in Win 7 that I don't know about? Because I'm just about to revert back to XP honestly.. And I really don't understand because people were writing (I know I saw it here) that switching to 7 had improved performance for them, not the other way around.

for the record, I have:

Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.4 GHz (I know, not super)
6 gigs of Kingston DDR2 @ 667 MHz
GTX 460 (the 1 gig eVGA one)

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mobo: ASUS P5N E SLI
OS: Windows 7 64-bit (6.1, build 7600)

and under XP, I was running the 258.96 nvidia driver for Windows XP 32-bit and with Win 7 I tried both 258.96 (64-bit) and 260.89.
I used to score 2591 on the FFXIV benchmark on high settings and now I'm down to 2302.

According to the little Win 7 widgets, when I run the benchmark, my CPU usage is at 71% and RAM usage tops at 28%.

I realize I don't have a top-of-the-line rig; my processor and mobo are three years old. what I don't understand is why I'm getting worse results with Win 7 than with XP when that seems to go against the trend..
Needless to say, any help would be *greatly* appreciated.

thanks in advance!










Edited, Oct 21st 2010 1:31pm by ladyclarissa
#2 Oct 21 2010 at 4:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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You could try disabling Aero, that uses graphics power.

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/disable-aero-on-windows-vista/
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#3 Oct 21 2010 at 5:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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You've *probably* already done this, but it bears mentioning anyway: Make sure you have up to date drivers for the proper operating system.

And yes, disabling aero is probably a good idea. Especially if you're running windowed (I *think* Aero usually disables when you go into a true full screen application, but if you're in windowed, it will keep using resources).

Edited, Oct 21st 2010 7:16am by Ilmoran
#4 Oct 21 2010 at 5:53 AM Rating: Decent
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thanks, will look into disabling aero (even though I run fullscreen).

It may be worth mentioning that - and this might be a really stupid thing - I didn't.. reinstall FFXIV per se (takes so long to DL those patches) so I just backed up the entire Square Enix folder on an external HDD and then copied it back in Program Files (x86) after Windows 7 had installed. I figured it would either work or not work at all, and it did; the game booted and ran.

Is there any way this could affect my performance? I though it probably didn't because I did a totally clean reinstall of CRYSIS and that game also suffers the same kind of FPS hit.

Once again, thanks for the info.
#5 Oct 21 2010 at 6:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Windows 7 will outperform xp on certain modern systems but will be worse in individual apps on other systems. If you had a i3, i5 or i7 (especially i7) processor 64 bit w7 will run great. I went from a 6600 processor to a simularly clocked i7, both on 64 bit w7, and the change was breathtaking. In researching the change i discovered that the 6600 series lacks a function that makes multiprocessing much more efficient. It is multiprocessing that makes w7 shine. with your processor you gained on total throughput when running multiple applications ion your machine but when running just a single app your performance actually went down. Another possible issue is that older video cards have been known to implement 64 compatibility by actually using older 32 bit drivers.
#6 Oct 21 2010 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
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FFXIV is 32 bit - not 64, so reinstalling won't do anything.
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No, j/k, I would be the processor. Get atleast an I5 and you will see the increase between 7 and XP.
I got a I5750 and used it in an XP. Then I installed Win7 64. The difference was huge.
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You didn't mention anything about the motherboard/system this is in. Many motherboards have special chipset drivers that increase performance. Are you sure you installed all the current drivers for every component in your computer?

FYI, I upgraded from Vista 32 to Win 7 64 and saw no increase or decrease in performance (according to 3DMark 06).

Edited, Oct 21st 2010 9:16am by AngusX
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#9 Oct 21 2010 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Windows 7 use more overhead than Windows XP.

If your system is not up to date Win XP will run faster.

On any up to date system (top of the line or middle of the road) the extra stability and functionality is worth the negligible performance hit.
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#10 Oct 21 2010 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Thank you all for the responses - I really appreciate it :D

ya I think it's back to XP for me this weekend while I save up for a new mobo/processor.

btw, my mobo is the ASUS P5N-E SLI and I haven't updated the BIOS (would that even change anything?) since like, well maybe when I got it 3 years ago.

I'm not gonna pretend I'm something I'm not. I'm no computer/tech wiz. I can add RAM to my system, install a new video card, update my drivers, but that's pretty much it lol.

If there are *other* drivers I'd need to update apart from the NVIDIA one, I honestly don't know about em.

thanks again everyone. you've been of great help. :D
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Does FFXIV use directx 10? I am assuming it does. If so, then yes it will run faster on XP which only supports up to directx 9 which has less bells and whistles compared to directx 10
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About the bios. Do not mess with the bios unless there are specific problems that need fixing by an upgrade. You could easily brick your mobo if something goes wrong in the flashing operation. Even though Asus has a means to recover a bad flash, its really something for a professional.
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#13 Oct 21 2010 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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FFXIV uses directx 9.
#14 Oct 21 2010 at 12:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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One other thing you might try is to go to your C:\Program Files (x86)\SquareEnix\FINAL FANTASY XIV folder, right click on ffxivgame.exe (you can also do this to ffxivboot.exe if you want) and click on Properties, then the Compatibility tab, then check the "Disable desktop composition" box in Settings. This will disable Aero when you run this program. I've noticed some improved FPS here and there in game when in Windowed mode as a result.
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Another thing to try. Thanks Wint.

Edited, Oct 21st 2010 3:22pm by RufuSwho
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