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#1 Oct 21 2010 at 7:18 AM Rating: Decent
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ok so basicly ive posted here abt bots.. well im pretty sure i know why ive been suspended.. ive reported this one bot who has been in the same spot west of camp bearded rock thru the cave where the mass of wharf rats and occasional spriggan spawn.

gm report said to report to site so ive reported to site several times no responce bot not banned..

well the past 32hours or so i been standing by the bot running fraps which i planned to make a super speed fast frward video of the bot and send it to SE... as that is the last thing i was doing between not being suspended and currently being suspended i assume ive been suspended for running fraps... as it is a 3rd party blah blah

sad thing is i was suspended and will possibly be banned.. for trying to get rid of a bot....

guess im a martyr
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#2 Oct 21 2010 at 7:22 AM Rating: Decent
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You can't be banned for running Fraps, it doesn't do anything at all to the game and there is no way the game could detect it. That is not why you were banned.
#3 Oct 21 2010 at 7:25 AM Rating: Default
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well that account wasnt my main account it was my buddy pass free acct didnt have a bad name and i only use it to trade items with myself and for the past few days all its been doing is watching the bot and running fraps so i cant think of any reason it would be banned
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#4 Oct 21 2010 at 7:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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The GM probably went to where the toon you reported was and banned everyone there standing around who didn't respond to a tell. Looking up your account and seeing it online for 32 hours standing next to a grinding bot - GM might assume you are helping him in some way by healing, repairing, or extra bag space. Seems a valid system might be one bot farms and another toon runs back and forth vendoring drops so the bot never has to stop grinding.

Not that I'm defending SE....just describing what may have gone through the GM's head at the time.

Edited, Oct 21st 2010 9:31am by Twolow24
#5 Oct 21 2010 at 7:35 AM Rating: Decent
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that actually makes sense......

those bastards.. but id think theyd see that my character hadnt healed and was a lvl 10 rank 11 pug and nothing more incapable of healing...
and also hadnt moved traded or interacted in anyway

Edited, Oct 21st 2010 8:37am by Galkaholics
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#6 Oct 21 2010 at 7:38 AM Rating: Decent
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They probably banned you for being a pain in the *** to the GM's.

Seriously you spent 32 hours filming a bot? Who cares? have you really got NOTHING better to do than film something that has zero effect on you at all? Also fyi Square accept no information other than simply being told about them. People have tried all these things on FFXI, they refuse any outside "proof".

Did you spend this long worrying about bots on FFXI when you started that? go have "fun" on the game or something if you enjoy it. lol

This game has far bigger wories than bots.

You know why you probably got banned? If that bot's owner came back and reported you for harrasment thats why you were banned, this is how the GM system works.

Enjoy your suspension, and outright ban if you do it again.

Edited, Oct 21st 2010 9:38am by preludes
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They probably banned you for being a pain in the *** to the GM's.

Seriously you spent 32 hours filming a bot? Who cares? have you really got NOTHING better to do than film something that has zero effect on you at all? Also fyi Square accept no information other than simply being told about them. People have tried all these things on FFXI, they refuse any outside "proof".

Did you spend this long worrying about bots on FFXI when you started that? go have "fun" on the game or something if you enjoy it. lol

This game has far bigger wories than bots.

You know why you probably got banned? If that bot's owner came back and reported you for harrasment thats why you were banned, this is how the GM system works.

Enjoy your suspension, and outright ban if you do it again.

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#8 Oct 21 2010 at 7:46 AM Rating: Decent
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preludes wrote:
They probably banned you for being a pain in the *** to the GM's.

Seriously you spent 32 hours filming a bot? Who cares? have you really got NOTHING better to do than film something that has zero effect on you at all? Also fyi Square accept no information other than simply being told about them. People have tried all these things on FFXI, they refuse any outside "proof".

Did you spend this long worrying about bots on FFXI when you started that? go have "fun" on the game or something if you enjoy it. lol

This game has far bigger wories than bots.

You know why you probably got banned? If that bot's owner came back and reported you for harrasment thats why you were banned, this is how the GM system works.

Enjoy your suspension, and outright ban if you do it again.

Edited, Oct 21st 2010 9:38am by preludes


actually running my alt on my laptop while playing main on my pc effects me in no way whatsoever and having "nothing better to do" well leaving laptop off and not using it at all being the other option.. id say it was a much better use of my time.. also+ idk when you played ffxi but when i played.... since us launch.. you could get rid of bots with a simple gm call and didnt have to fill out an essay on the stf website

THAT was much more effective then the current "oh us gms dont handle that go fill a report"
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#9 Oct 21 2010 at 7:47 AM Rating: Decent
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This is true too. The owner of the bot will be quick to turn the tables if he sees you /say or /tell annoying things his way. GMs I'm quite sure respond to harassment quicker than bot reports effectively silencing the reporters and leaving the bot in peace.
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This is true too. The owner of the bot will be quick to turn the tables if he sees you /say or /tell annoying things his way. GMs I'm quite sure respond to harassment quicker than bot reports effectively silencing the reporters and leaving the bot in peace.


I'll assume its eaiser for a GM to review your chat logs to/at the bot then for them to watch someone 32 hours to determine if they are indeed a bot.
#11 Oct 21 2010 at 7:57 AM Rating: Decent
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i had no chat logs. basicly i got tired of seeing the same bot being there for the past 2 weeks so i decided since i wasnt using my laptop id fraps it and send to se and probably upload it somewhere and see if it finally gets banned

so i logged in said nothing ran to bot and began fraps with everything on my laptop backed up on a external so i had a full 800ish gb to fraps til i ran out of space that i planned to later compress and convert to a much smaller fast forwarded video of said bot
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#12 Oct 21 2010 at 8:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Galkaholics wrote:
also+ idk when you played ffxi but when i played.... since us launch.. you could get rid of bots with a simple gm call and didnt have to fill out an essay on the stf website


Since when? Granted I haven't played ffxi in a couple years, but I seem to recall that GM's wouldn't do anything to reported players, at least not until they had gathered sufficient data and then would ban thousands at a time. I'm not tryin to sound like an *** here, but I have a feeling there is more to this story than you are telling us. You don't just get banned for no reason in this game, so if I were to guess I would say you were probably griefing the "bot" or doing some other silly thing you shouldn't have been. Only a guess, but I seriously don't believe you got banned for nothing.
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#13 Oct 21 2010 at 8:02 AM Rating: Decent
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My sony vegas would freak the F out if I had to compress that much video and compressing a few minutes at a time for 32 hours of footage?!? You would have spent more time finalizing the video than you did recording it.
#14 Oct 21 2010 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
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either way you gotta agree its pretty messed up when your trying to get someone who deserves to be banned banned and instead you get the shaft..

also.. ffxi.. place gm call on fishbot gm sends tell to fishbot. no responce bam fishbot gone... and yes i was a avid "bothunter" in ffxi lol
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#15 Oct 21 2010 at 8:31 AM Rating: Good
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While I'm sure you had the best intentions at heart, reporting someone for botting then standing next to them afk for 32 hours probably wasn't the smartest move. For all you know the GM did exactly what you wanted them to do, only the botter had logged off while the GM came through, saw your character, and banned it based on your own info. Or maybe the GM just banned everyone in the area that wasn't moving for x number of hours.
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My sony vegas would freak the F out if I had to compress that much video and compressing a few minutes at a time for 32 hours of footage?!? You would have spent more time finalizing the video than you did recording it.


Not to mention how much HD space that would fill up. Just a few minutes of uncompressed video can take up quiet a bit of space. I have about 7 minutes of Fraps footage right now, that takes up 8.46 GB. If we were to be conservative and estimate that 1 minute = 1 gb, then after 32 hours, you'd have 1920 GB/1.875 TB worth of footage.

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#17 Oct 21 2010 at 9:04 AM Rating: Decent
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either way you gotta agree its pretty messed up when your trying to get someone who deserves to be banned banned and instead you get the shaft..

also.. ffxi.. place gm call on fishbot gm sends tell to fishbot. no responce bam fishbot gone... and yes i was a avid "bothunter" in ffxi lol


I've had friends banned for MPK on rmt years ago, saying "but they are rmt/bot" doesnt cut it, the rules apply the the character not who/what is behind it.

As for your last statment, this isnt FFXI and even if it was bots now have simple alarms when sent tells. A lot harder for a bog standard GM to tackle it on the spot than it used to be.

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i had no chat logs. basicly i got tired of seeing the same bot being there for the past 2 weeks so i decided since i wasnt using my laptop id fraps it and send to se and probably upload it somewhere and see if it finally gets banned


I tell you again they will not under any circumstances look at 3rd party proof other than what they see or gather themselves, ask them before you waste more of your time. You are ignorant of how the GM system and bots even work and you will get yourself banned before any of those.
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I thought you kids knew that the STF doesn't have an in-game presence, and that when you report something to them they launch an investigation, not swoop down 5 mins later with bansticks.

That's what you get when you numpties don't ******* listen. We've had a couple of your here in the last couple of weeks. "zomfg bots! Must destroy!" And then you obsess. And obsess. And obsess.

Now ya dun went and got bant.

Next time, report, forget, move on with your life. That's what ya do. Say it with me:

Report, forget, move on with my life.
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Actually, what's more likely is that while you were standing there for 32 hours, someone else came up and reported both you and the bot for botting.
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That's what you get when you numpties don't @#%^ing listen. We've had a couple of your here in the last couple of weeks. "zomfg bots! Must destroy!" And then you obsess. And obsess. And obsess.

Now ya dun went and got bant.

Next time, report, forget, move on with your life. That's what ya do. Say it with me:


I find it extremely sad that the OP not only proclaims to be an avid bot hunter...(not that big of a deal on its own) but then is so obsessed he quits playing for 32 hours to sit and watch the bot.

You are so obsessed with this instead of playing the game you do these kinds of things? Not healthy man.
#21 Oct 21 2010 at 1:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Galkaholics wrote:
didnt have a bad name


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#22chopstx, Posted: Oct 21 2010 at 1:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Lol you were banned, and now we make fun of you.
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While I'm sure you had the best intentions at heart, reporting someone for botting then standing next to them afk for 32 hours probably wasn't the smartest move. For all you know the GM did exactly what you wanted them to do, only the botter had logged off while the GM came through, saw your character, and banned it based on your own info. Or maybe the GM just banned everyone in the area that wasn't moving for x number of hours.


This is absolutely my favorite explanation, by far.
Your own report got you banned.... lol. Sorry, but it's just so awesome. It's almost one of those um... what do ya call em... paradox thingies. "It's like the chicken and the egg, Will, the chicken and the egg!"
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#24 Oct 21 2010 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Galkaholics wrote:
didnt have a bad name


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That's 100% your problem, someone needs a name change....

Wonder if the mods will revert this title to 'Banned for sexual name. Wtf? <solved>' not 'banned for trying to help' so the flamerbase doesn't overreact to this anymore. Knew this had to be trolling...

Edited, Oct 21st 2010 3:52pm by AceAmallie
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In the marketing of pornography, lolita is used in to refer to a young child, frequently one who has only recently reached the age of consent, or appears to be younger than the age of consent.[citation needed]

Lolita is the title of a novel by Vladimir Nabokov where it was the nickname given to the young girl, Dolores, with whom the narrator, Humbert, is obsessed.[1] In the book itself, "Lolita" is specifically Humbert's nickname for Dolores, and "nymphet" is the general term for the type of young girl to whom Humbert is attracted, Dolores being one of them.


The pron industry has given this name it's forever 'bad word' meaning despite it being a woman's name in various parts of the world. Just as **** is a normal name, such as Mr. Clark, but I don't begin to assume I could run around in game with the first name **** without someone reporting me for whatever reason.



Edited, Oct 21st 2010 3:58pm by Twolow24
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In the marketing of pornography, lolita is used in to refer to a young child, frequently one who has only recently reached the age of consent, or appears to be younger than the age of consent.[citation needed]

Lolita is the title of a novel by Vladimir Nabokov where it was the nickname given to the young girl, Dolores, with whom the narrator, Humbert, is obsessed.[1] In the book itself, "Lolita" is specifically Humbert's nickname for Dolores, and "nymphet" is the general term for the type of young girl to whom Humbert is attracted, Dolores being one of them.


The pron industry has given this name it's forever 'bad word' meaning despite it being a woman's name in various parts of the world. Just as **** is a normal name, such as Mr. Clark, but I don't begin to assume I could run around in game with the first name **** without someone reporting me for whatever reason.



Edited, Oct 21st 2010 3:58pm by Twolow24

Sure, but there are people named "****" and the solution to this is a warning message and a demand for name change.

SE's current system strikes me as absurdest or Kafkaesque. I can't believe this is how they run a subscription based service.
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They probably banned you for being a pain in the *** to the GM's.

Seriously you spent 32 hours filming a bot? Who cares? have you really got NOTHING better to do than film something that has zero effect on you at all? Also fyi Square accept no information other than simply being told about them. People have tried all these things on FFXI, they refuse any outside "proof".

Did you spend this long worrying about bots on FFXI when you started that? go have "fun" on the game or something if you enjoy it. lol

This game has far bigger wories than bots.

You know why you probably got banned? If that bot's owner came back and reported you for harrasment thats why you were banned, this is how the GM system works.

Enjoy your suspension, and outright ban if you do it again.

Edited, Oct 21st 2010 9:38am by preludes



Nice smug attitude. You should consider killing your self. Really. There wasn't any reason for this type of response at all. Bash your head into a corner of a coffee table. Idiot.
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preludes wrote:
They probably banned you for being a pain in the *** to the GM's.

Seriously you spent 32 hours filming a bot? Who cares? have you really got NOTHING better to do than film something that has zero effect on you at all? Also fyi Square accept no information other than simply being told about them. People have tried all these things on FFXI, they refuse any outside "proof".

Did you spend this long worrying about bots on FFXI when you started that? go have "fun" on the game or something if you enjoy it. lol

This game has far bigger wories than bots.

You know why you probably got banned? If that bot's owner came back and reported you for harrasment thats why you were banned, this is how the GM system works.

Enjoy your suspension, and outright ban if you do it again.

Edited, Oct 21st 2010 9:38am by preludes



Nice smug attitude. You should consider killing your self. Really. There wasn't any reason for this type of response at all. Bash your head into a corner of a coffee table. Idiot.



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No not mad at all.
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That's what you get when you numpties don't @#%^ing listen. We've had a couple of your here in the last couple of weeks. "zomfg bots! Must destroy!" And then you obsess. And obsess. And obsess.

Now ya dun went and got bant.

Next time, report, forget, move on with your life. That's what ya do. Say it with me:


I find it extremely sad that the OP not only proclaims to be an avid bot hunter...(not that big of a deal on its own) but then is so obsessed he quits playing for 32 hours to sit and watch the bot.

You are so obsessed with this instead of playing the game you do these kinds of things? Not healthy man.


What's more extremely sad is that you never bothered to read the entire thread to find out that he did the recording on a laptop while playing as normal on his main account via PC. I honestly feel that the sooner harmful bots are dealt with the better.
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Nice smug attitude. You should consider killing your self. Really. There wasn't any reason for this type of response at all. Bash your head into a corner of a coffee table. Idiot.


After careful consideration I'm going to have to inform you I won't be doing that, on the plus side I'll make many more posts that you may enjoy in the future from which you can ask me again unsuccesfully to go kill myself. Keep your eyes peeled for those though ok twinkle toes?

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just got home from work wow lotta responces.. anyway lets see.. as for lolita she is on my main acct with my other "true" main which is a mere phys 32 multi jobbed highlander

my "Buddy pass" acct is the one that got banned

also as for "Being so obsessed that youd watch a bot for 32 hours instead of playing" i made it perfectly clear i did this on my unused laptop with my seldom used buddy pass acct that i only made to make moving items between my characters on my main faster. lolita conplex is not banned their is also pedo bear loli con and several others who are NOT me with those names on rabanastre seen them around tho they just copycattin me cuz i had my name day 1 =P

so in summation
i am not "obsessed and watching the bot instead of playing" i play on my pc . fraps was running on my laptop
i was not banned for my name as my main acct im logged in now
and 3...never thought id live to see the day people took the side of botters... guess im just a generation or two ahead of todays gamers.. back when we had codes of conduct and ethics.. not epic troll flame warz 'dawg

i guess at 30 years of age i must be getting old.. just like my parents thought stuff i said or did was unethical or immoral when i was younger and i just thought they were stupid . now i am the adult thinking these things are unethical obnoxious and downright rude and you guys are the teenage me thinking im stupid for trying to be the good guy.. oh well 20 or 30 more years and i can join the AARP and invade ur citehz wif machine gunz bwaaaaaah! long as they dont close country kitchen buffet
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#33 Oct 21 2010 at 6:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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The important lesson here is report and move on. SE does not want your evidence, They have to investigate on their own anyways. I've seen alot of players over the years gather evidence and proof and get outraged when SE does nothing with it. You're wasting your time, just report names to GM or the "special task force"
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It's a pity it got banned, but yes I can see the theory behind it - they investigate your claim, they see you standing there doing nothing -double ban.

I can't help but feel you're trying to be a bit of a hero about this, especially since you felt the need to share it, but yes it sucks none the less.

Be thankful it wasn't your main, and next time leave the bot problems to the GM; you can't do much more than report the issue and be patient (even though it can be very frustrating).
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yes i have definatly learned my lesson.. fill report and walk away.. i guess its time to hang up my bothunter hat ; ;

thanks to those who left helpful constructive replies. and to those who didnt well thanks to you too for keeping this thread alive all day while i was at work lol

im definatly glad i wasnt dumb enough to do this with my main. and also hopefully its just a suspencion and doesnt escalate to a full ban so i can continue to use my alt acct to trade items between characters without suffering retainer taxes/login/logoff tedium it is to move around.. plus my main acct characters are allready full both retainers and bags after less then 48 hours i needs mah alt acct back ; ;
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