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#1 Oct 22 2010 at 4:21 AM Rating: Good
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I don't know how it is on other servers, but I know how it is on my server (Rabanastre) and I really, really don't get it.

  • If the majority of the items your selling has a ward, go to that ward with your Retainer.
  • If the majority of the items your selling don't have a ward, then please, vendor it. No one wants to buy your Firefly Elytron. Seriously.
  • I go to the ward that is suppose to have the items I want.
  • I don't go near Battlecraft, Spellcraft, Tradecraft, of Fieldcraft wards because their full of everything but what is suppose to be in there.


Logic tells us that Square-Enix gave us the means to be a bit more organized with our Retainer selling options. Sure, we don't have more Retainers yet...but we have organized wards. Yet everyone is packing their crap into the most commonly visited wards, primarily the Weapon/Tool wards, and the Clothiers Ward.

To be honest, I've been following the outline for organization, and I've been finding almost daily an empty Retainer upon my return, with Gil to rake in. Since the organization, following the outline of ward organization has been a godsend for finding specific items and selling specific items, except the wards that need it the most.

Everyone complains about how it doesn't work, about how unorganized and annoying it is...yet they continue to cram their junk in wards where they don't belong, and attempt to sell things that are absolute junk. Seriously, Firefly Elytron wings and other items like it are not going to be bought. They don't even have a definable use. 30 seconds of looking the item up will tell you that. Yet I continue to see items like these packed on Retainers in Weapon/Tool/Gear wards. If you want it to work, you have to use it in the manner it was designed. If you want to sell that Bazaar full of Hempen Yarn, put it in the Tailor's Ward. If you have a ton of Ore, put it in the Ironmonger's Ward. It'll work, people who want those things visit those wards. If you're vigilante in placing your items properly, they'll get more attention and the chance to sell your items will go up. I can say, in my experience, selling Weaver/Leatherworker made items and excess ore/mats/etc. in the proper wards works wonderfully.

And for those trying to sell Weapons and Tools, I'm so sorry for you people, because your wards are just cluttered with junk and it makes it real unfair to you to not be able to market your items in the proper locations to move them.

It works, people...you just have to use it the way it was designed.
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#2 Oct 22 2010 at 4:34 AM Rating: Good
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You're preaching to the wrong crowd.

Most people here know this already. It's those who don't surf forums that most likely do this.

Anyway, in my server (Lindblum, LL specifically), battlecraft ward is a complete mess. Everything else is a bit more organized. However, people are still misinterpreting some of the wards. For example the ward for fieldcraft tools, people are selling items they're gathering on their fieldcraft jobs (so branches, ore, etc). This isn't so bad though, as long as there's a logic behind it, I'm satisfied (I'd trade it all for an AH right now though).

Also I think the wards favor crafters over the battle classes right now. Without a "going rate" crafters are able to charge premiums for their wares. Especially after swimming through an hour of crap, players are more likely just to give in and pay for w/e they were able to find. One reason I'm not leveling my pug right now.
#3 Oct 22 2010 at 4:41 AM Rating: Good
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I have an idea for what they should do:

Cater to both the "I want to throw all my **** in the first ward" crowd and those who want to organize things.
Make the first 3-4 wards "Miscellaneous" (could even do "Misc Rank 1-10", "Misc Rank 11-20", "Misc Rank 21-30", "Misc Rank 31-50"). After THAT, put the organized wards, including Battlecraft, Spellcraft, etc.
All indications of the ward crowding problem is that people are just ignoring the names on the first few wards anyway, so they shouldn't care what the names are.
#4 Oct 22 2010 at 5:30 AM Rating: Good
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If I am to be forced into using the market wards perhaps SE could at least add this guy to the list of available retainers...

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#5 Oct 22 2010 at 5:32 AM Rating: Decent
If I sit my retainer in the glovers ward, and my gloves don't sell, yet I put them in the fieldcraft ward and they sell there... Tell me should I be putting my retainer in the glover's ward or the fieldcraft ward?
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Red wrote:
If I sit my retainer in the glovers ward, and my gloves don't sell, yet I put them in the fieldcraft ward and they sell there... Tell me should I be putting my retainer in the glover's ward or the fieldcraft ward?


Don't take this as rude, but the Glover's Ward. Personally, if I go to the Fieldcraft Ward...I want to find Fieldcraft Tools, not Gloves. If I want Gloves, I'll go to the Glover's Ward. But because you're selling your gloves in the Fieldcraft Ward, I avoid the Fieldcraft Ward unless I'm desperate. And in searching the Fieldcraft Ward, I'm going to come across your Retainer and get further frustrated because I'm finding Gloves in the Fieldcraft Ward instead of finding the tools I'm looking for that are suppose to be in the Fieldcraft Ward.

If everyone wasn't selling everything in the Fieldcraft Ward, only people looking for Fieldcraft Tools would be there. It's called organization...and it's not organized right now because people have no patience.
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#7 Oct 22 2010 at 5:49 AM Rating: Good
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On Melmond the same issues. I'm trying to find weapons for my MRD/PGL but just gave up on the battlecraft ward, it is so depressing!

I already suggested SE should allow us to pick pocket the retainers of items not belonging to that ward ^^ ;)
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#8 Oct 22 2010 at 5:56 AM Rating: Good
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I think the problem most people have is laziness. This isn't their "job" (although they'll spend hours on end at a grind, I don't see why this isn't a job), so having to put forth a little effort in order to follow some organization to make selling things easier is beyond them. Everyone wants an instant gratification AH that will do this organizing for them, so why bother putting forth the effort in a system they don't appreciate?

According to many that I still see complaining, if it requires looking up online then it's too difficult.
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#9 Oct 22 2010 at 5:58 AM Rating: Decent
Ryneguy wrote:
Red wrote:
If I sit my retainer in the glovers ward, and my gloves don't sell, yet I put them in the fieldcraft ward and they sell there... Tell me should I be putting my retainer in the glover's ward or the fieldcraft ward?


Don't take this as rude, but the Glover's Ward. Personally, if I go to the Fieldcraft Ward...I want to find Fieldcraft Tools, not Gloves. If I want Gloves, I'll go to the Glover's Ward. But because you're selling your gloves in the Fieldcraft Ward, I avoid the Fieldcraft Ward unless I'm desperate. And in searching the Fieldcraft Ward, I'm going to come across your Retainer and get further frustrated because I'm finding Gloves in the Fieldcraft Ward instead of finding the tools I'm looking for that are suppose to be in the Fieldcraft Ward.

If everyone wasn't selling everything in the Fieldcraft Ward, only people looking for Fieldcraft Tools would be there. It's called organization...and it's not organized right now because people have no patience.


Which is nice, but judging by how my stuff has sold you're in the minority. I can either sit my retainer in a barren ward, hoping Ryneguy might wander in one day AND be interested in a pair of work gloves, or I can do what everyone else is doing and go where the people are. This is especially true when I want to sell some other things in addition to my work gloves.

I understand what your trying to say, but I see a lot of "ifs" going on. Unfortunately, even with these latest updates, the retainer system is just too unwieldy. I don't mind them as mules, but as the central method for selling and buying goods, it sucks. Perhaps one day things'll change, but the fact is if I want my stuff sold within the month I need to deal in the reality.
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The One and Only Redyoshi wrote:
Which is nice, but judging by how my stuff has sold you're in the minority.


I don't think it's an issue of minority versus majority here. While I entirely understand what you're getting at, I still don't agree with the mentality that just doing what everyone else is doing is the only way to go about things because it's the norm. It's the cowards way out, in my opinion, from taking any time or effort in helping organize things.

Square-Enix hoped to see a player base willing to take it upon themselves to sell their items, be it NPC or marketing yourself if need be. Everyone expects an Auction House, and because of that, the attitude has fallen to "Well, if it's not an Auction House, it sucks...so whatever." If everyone is exploiting a Cure-Skill-Point bug, does that mean it's right? Sure, it's no in the same context as the Market Wards...but the principle of it is there.

It's unfortunate, because there's a real system there that if the player base embraced it, it would probably work much better. But no one cares, and everyone's attitude is similar to this. That everyone else is doing it, and everyone is going there because of it, so let's just keep doing it...all the while everyone is still screaming for an Auction House. It's a cop out, IMHO. People don't like the current market ward iteration because it doesn't work, but it doesn't work because no one does what it's designed for in placing their retainers.

And if I'm the minority, I'm happy to be there. Like I stated, before the rework of the wards, I had a really hard time selling things. Now I don't. I've been emptying my retainer constantly. My "selling" ability is massively gotten better simply by following the outline for the wards. Likewise, in wards other than tool/weapon wards, I've always found what I'm looking for.
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#11 Oct 22 2010 at 6:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Some (a lot) of people are just uninformed and really don't care enough to become infomed.

Other people, like myself, are doing the following:

I have a couple of Brass Daggers that I need to sell. I call up my retainer in the Battlecraft Ward and put them up for sale. Since I have 7 more available Bazaar slots, I also list some Sheep skins, Dodo Skins, a Buffalo hide, Some Brass Nuggets, and some Bronze Nuggets.

So then I run off doing leves and travelling to other camps to do leves with friends, do some mining, etc and basically don't return to town to check my retainter for 2 or 3 real life days (since I only play a couple of hours at night).

Of course, when I check my retainer the Daggers are sold, and there are still some left over nuggets and skins for sale. I assume the Daggers sold relatively quick because they were in the correct ward (not to mention there were only 3 daggers to sell and a couple of hundred nuggets/skins/etc).

So for the past 50 hours my Retainer was sitting in the Battlecraft ward with only nuggets and skins for sale and it appeared that I was just being a dumb *** selling the wrong stuff in the wrong ward.

I think this is what happens more than you realize. Even the people selling the stupid ladybug wings and crap like that probably had a more substantial item for sale that already sold and you are just seeing the other junk they had for sale along with it.



Edited, Oct 22nd 2010 7:48am by Mithsavvy
#12 Oct 22 2010 at 6:54 AM Rating: Good
If you really want to sell your gloves, just put them in your bazaar and sit your *** somewhere where there is traffic. I'm with Ryne on this, especially so as a Rab native. So sick of looking for something in its proper ward and having to dig through idiots with the wrong ****, placed in the wrong ward. The wards seem to be getting better as time goes on, last night I needed Maple branches to make longbows and Limonite, did I go to one of the first wards (Battlecraft, Magic, Etc)? No I went to the carp one and masons(Ore is considered stone, so Ironmonger is not where you want to put it). I sell my tools in the tradecraft ward in Grid (Sylvannas for those on Rab). If I want crystals I go to tradecraft.

It's people who place their retainers where they think the most traffic is that's ******** up the system at the moment. Sure you sell your gloves in a ward that wasn't set for it, but what about the guy that's trying to sell his proper items? You may or may not have screwed him out of future sales. People don't want to search through a sea of retainers to find something to begin with, don't make the process harder for the buyers by putting your crap somewhere it doesn't belong. It would help everybody in the long run.
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If we are basing things on the idea that people are selling stuff in the first couple wards because of there placement and not just that they've already sold their daggers like another posters said, then a possible solution would be to randomize the order in which the wards are displayed. Not saying it would be the best idea but I don't see SE forcing people to put their items into the correct wards and they can't really do that if they have items that would go in multiple wards anyhow. The only real incentive you can give players who want to keep their stuff in the top couple wards to change what the top couple wards are. If they know that it will be random then it won't really matter where they put the items so they may as well go ahead and put them in the correct ward. There will still be those who put theirs in the ones they feel are most popular. You can't really do much about them with the current system. The only way they could force players to them in the correct ward would be to make the system filter out all the items that don't belong in that ward. That would be punishing players too much for now. Too many assorted items to sell.
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Ilmoran wrote:
I have an idea for what they should do:

Cater to both the "I want to throw all my sh*t in the first ward" crowd and those who want to organize things.
Make the first 3-4 wards "Miscellaneous" (could even do "Misc Rank 1-10", "Misc Rank 11-20", "Misc Rank 21-30", "Misc Rank 31-50"). After THAT, put the organized wards, including Battlecraft, Spellcraft, etc.
All indications of the ward crowding problem is that people are just ignoring the names on the first few wards anyway, so they shouldn't care what the names are.


This is exactly what I mailed into SQEnix's Support/Suggestion earlier this week, this is the move they really need to make. Full support, if you agree you should all go spam SQEnix too.

The people who wanna spam the first few wards can, some people are just too lazy to look elsewhere and some sellers are just too lazy to move their retainer out of the first one, cuz face it, the first ward is so crammed it's hard to even get a spot, it's always full.

Lets leave the people who don't wanna help the market situation behind in the first 1-3 wards.
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I think another issue (correct me if I'm wrong) is that they never reset the wards so many people haven't bothered to move t them since. They should've thrown everyone out when they renamed them.

Also, I had much better success in selling my wood in the cutters ward compared to before so I'm all for the change.
If enough people use it how it is intended then the flow will go the other day. Help make that change to make the game better.

Lastly I actually boycott any retainer which is obviously selling in the wrong ward.
I urge those who want to help to do the same.
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Kreisash wrote:
I think another issue (correct me if I'm wrong) is that they never reset the wards so many people haven't bothered to move t them since. They should've thrown everyone out when they renamed them.

Also, I had much better success in selling my wood in the cutters ward compared to before so I'm all for the change.
If enough people use it how it is intended then the flow will go the other day. Help make that change to make the game better.

Lastly I actually boycott any retainer which is obviously selling in the wrong ward.
I urge those who want to help to do the same.

The problem is how do you tell a person who is selling in the wrong ward from a guy who was as selling stuff that went in that ward but has already been bought and it's just the other stuff they're trying to sell left? I guess maybe if the bazaar is still full and none of the items belong in that ward but other than that how can you tell?
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An idea that's occurred to me would be for SE to do ward cleaning every 24 hours. If there are any retainers with an empty inventory or without at least one item that belongs in the current ward, remove them from the ward.
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MrTalos wrote:
Kreisash wrote:
I think another issue (correct me if I'm wrong) is that they never reset the wards so many people haven't bothered to move t them since. They should've thrown everyone out when they renamed them.

Also, I had much better success in selling my wood in the cutters ward compared to before so I'm all for the change.
If enough people use it how it is intended then the flow will go the other day. Help make that change to make the game better.

Lastly I actually boycott any retainer which is obviously selling in the wrong ward.
I urge those who want to help to do the same.

The problem is how do you tell a person who is selling in the wrong ward from a guy who was as selling stuff that went in that ward but has already been bought and it's just the other stuff they're trying to sell left? I guess maybe if the bazaar is still full and none of the items belong in that ward but other than that how can you tell?


This is why I said obviously yes it takes some personal judgement but there you go.
If they have more than half of their retainer filled with stuff that doesn't belong then it's pretty clear.
Personally (and this is just what I do rather than what I think everyone should do) I only sell stuff for that ward and leave empty slots if needs be.

I think what would also help is better categorisation. Maybe it should bold stuff on retainers that is correct and grey out criticise stuff that is a wrong category. Better descriptions before you go into a ward would also help.
Perhaps a question on entry to redirect people would be nice (but unlikely), so it asks sell, buy or browse? (browse would give you control like now) Armour/weapon or other? Etc.

There is much that can be done by SE, but we need to do what we can now.
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Mithsavvy wrote:
Some (a lot) of people are just uninformed and really don't care enough to become infomed.

Other people, like myself, are doing the following:

I have a couple of Brass Daggers that I need to sell. I call up my retainer in the Battlecraft Ward and put them up for sale. Since I have 7 more available Bazaar slots, I also list some Sheep skins, Dodo Skins, a Buffalo hide, Some Brass Nuggets, and some Bronze Nuggets.

So then I run off doing leves and travelling to other camps to do leves with friends, do some mining, etc and basically don't return to town to check my retainter for 2 or 3 real life days (since I only play a couple of hours at night).

Of course, when I check my retainer the Daggers are sold, and there are still some left over nuggets and skins for sale. I assume the Daggers sold relatively quick because they were in the correct ward (not to mention there were only 3 daggers to sell and a couple of hundred nuggets/skins/etc).

So for the past 50 hours my Retainer was sitting in the Battlecraft ward with only nuggets and skins for sale and it appeared that I was just being a dumb *** selling the wrong stuff in the wrong ward.

I think this is what happens more than you realize. Even the people selling the stupid ladybug wings and crap like that probably had a more substantial item for sale that already sold and you are just seeing the other junk they had for sale along with it.



Edited, Oct 22nd 2010 7:48am by Mithsavvy


This ^^
If we were allowed to have more then just the one retainer, people would be able to split u their stuff into the correct wards more easily. Since we only get the one, the left over slots get filled with items not belonging to the ward. Once those items that do belong there are sold, the retainer looks like it's out of place.



Edited, Oct 22nd 2010 2:14pm by Faaeng
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#20 Oct 22 2010 at 12:15 PM Rating: Default
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Yes I agree that the problem is with people who don't read the forums...or the messages that show up in chat. The same kind of people who wear armor way too high for their level; the kind of people who don't know how to look things up for themselves so they ask someone else without first trying to figure it out themselves.

As sort of a reply to someone's post up there...if I want gloves, I only go to the gloves. There is no way I'm going to battlecraft unless I see something on YG. Now once people start to vend where they are supposed to, which may take a long while, people may also be more likely to go where they are supposed to in order to find what they need. Perhaps SE should allow people to vend only items that belong in that category. I'm sure it would **** people off, but with no search, it's a mess.
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XelKarin wrote:
An idea that's occurred to me would be for SE to do ward cleaning every 24 hours. If there are any retainers with an empty inventory or without at least one item that belongs in the current ward, remove them from the ward.


You know, this could work very easily. The user gets to detrmine which ward you start off in. Then, once the last item is sold that was related to that floor, your retainer gets automatically moved to the floor that is associated with the highest value remaining in your bazaar.

If that's too complicated to design (doesn't seem like it would be though) then they could just relocate the retianer to a "catch all" floor(s).
#22 Oct 22 2010 at 12:39 PM Rating: Good
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Well they do clean out the wards albeit not every 24 hours,and they call the ward cleaning maintenance. :P
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OniElvaan the Eccentric wrote:
It's people who place their retainers where they think the most traffic is that's ******** up the system at the moment.


Although I agree with this 100%, ironically I also think that these sellers are contributing to the organization I'm seeing in the lesser wards. In fact, the wards, other than the first two have become pretty useful and I can usually find what I'm looking for since most of the retainers selling random stuff in those wards have moved their retainers to the more "popular" ones. I actually, dare i say it, enjoy going to some of the lesser wards now cuz I have a good sense of the average prices of those particular items and get excited when i can land a bargain (something that was practically impossible pre-patch). Of course, the downside to this is that i'll have outdated weapons and tools for the time being, but thats a small price to pay for the frustration i am avoiding by visiting those cluster**** wards.

I think sellers of those particular items are also realizing this more since I see a lot of bazaars in camps selling those items which is great for those of us avoiding those wards altogether haha. I can live with this type of system until the search function is implemented.
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It's unfortunate, because there's a real system there that if the player base embraced it, it would probably work much better. But no one cares, and everyone's attitude is similar to this. That everyone else is doing it, and everyone is going there because of it, so let's just keep doing it...all the while everyone is still screaming for an Auction House. It's a cop out, IMHO. People don't like the current market ward iteration because it doesn't work, but it doesn't work because no one does what it's designed for in placing their retainers.

And if I'm the minority, I'm happy to be there. Like I stated, before the rework of the wards, I had a really hard time selling things. Now I don't. I've been emptying my retainer constantly. My "selling" ability is massively gotten better simply by following the outline for the wards. Likewise, in wards other than tool/weapon wards, I've always found what I'm looking for.


And the community is thankful for it =)

Edited, Oct 22nd 2010 3:46pm by lightacadi
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First of all, we still only have access to *one* retainer.

Secondly, the retainer system still sucks and the vast majority of people hardly go in there because it just ****** them off after a little while. So everyone just sticks everything in the first couple of wards because they know 90%+ of the people are gonna give up after searching the first couple of wards...

Bottom line is that this retainer / ward system is incredibly frustrating and down-right one of the stupidest game implementation I've seen in a PC game in a long time. Until they put in a search or actually listen to their paying customers and put in an AH, this system just isn't going to work. There can be no real in-game economy if 90% of the people don't even want to deal with it.
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zpanda wrote:
First of all, we still only have access to *one* retainer.

Secondly, the retainer system still sucks and the vast majority of people hardly go in there because it just ****** them off after a little while. So everyone just sticks everything in the first couple of wards because they know 90%+ of the people are gonna give up after searching the first couple of wards...

Bottom line is that this retainer / ward system is incredibly frustrating and down-right one of the stupidest game implementation I've seen in a PC game in a long time. Until they put in a search or actually listen to their paying customers and put in an AH, this system just isn't going to work. There can be no real in-game economy if 90% of the people don't even want to deal with it.


Whats funny is that if you started in the last ward and worked your way backwards going through the appropriate wards, you would have no reason to ever give up until you hit the second ward..
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Just want to say if we all stop buying stuff from the retainer that in the wrong ward, very soon the wards will get more organize, when people notice their retainer is not doing the job!
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There's a certain amount of "I sold all my X and now what's left is the misc stuff I put up for sale" going on. That's going to be inevitable, really.

Most of the wards are working, though. I go to the Ironmonger's Ward, I can actually find metal and metal doodads. Often I can even find the specific doodad I had in mind, though I still won't turn down a search feature.

The Tradecraft Ward is a mess, but that's partly because it's the proper ward for crystals and shards; it's going to get a lot of miscellaneous traffic, and there's no helping that.

Battlecraft is a mess just because it's #1 on the list. To be honest, I don't even visit there anymore. It's just not worth it...
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Well I do keep my Retainer in the Glovers Den of Besaids Gridania and have never had an issue selling gloves.

Edit: I find it's better to buy weapons and tools strait from the crafters who make them. It save time, ussualy money and the frustration of seeing all the retainers of people obviously to blind to know where they go.

Edited, Oct 22nd 2010 4:41pm by zurinadrg
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zpanda wrote:

Secondly, the retainer system still sucks and the vast majority of people hardly go in there because it just ****** them off after a little while. So everyone just sticks everything in the first couple of wards because they know 90%+ of the people are gonna give up after searching the first couple of wards...

Bottom line is that this retainer / ward system is incredibly frustrating and down-right one of the stupidest game implementation I've seen in a PC game in a long time. Until they put in a search or actually listen to their paying customers and put in an AH, this system just isn't going to work. There can be no real in-game economy if 90% of the people don't even want to deal with it.


People should not be searching for items by going down the list one by one (unless they're just idly browsing). If I want to buy a new hat, I'm going to the hatters wards, I will not start my search in the battlecraft ward. If there's literally no one selling a hat in the entire hatters ward (this has happened before) then I'll come back another day. There is no "giving up after the first couple of wards", there is only "giving up after looking in the correct ward". If people honestly are shopping for hats in the battlecraft ward they are only making the ward system worse. It's not a great system, but SE can't be blamed for peoples' stupidity.

And I've seen many full bazaars with nothing appropriate to the current ward. The excuse that all the appropriate items sold is probably a minor reality. Either people truly don't understand the new organization or they think that since weapons are desirable the battlecraft ward gets the most traffic and thus lots of buyers for their marmot pelts and moko grass.
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They should:

Allow for multiple retainers already
Impose a 20% tax for retainers placed in wrong section
Rename wards or have icons denoting type of ward

#32 Oct 22 2010 at 3:17 PM Rating: Good
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No. It's not horrible either, but people react like the president of SE kicked their grandma down a flight of stairs.

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but SE can't be blamed for peoples' stupidity


Of course they can silly Smiley: tongue

I have had no problem selling my goods in the appropriate ward. When I have items from different catagories I put my minion (Yes, minion. So much more evil scientist than retainer) in the ward of the item I want to sell the most. When that item has sold I move him to the next appropriate ward. The wards themselves are starting to shape up nicely, except for the top 3 floors obviously. I went to the Ironmonger's ward looking for iron cable and found 3 people selling in less than a minute. All in all, not horrible.
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