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#1 Oct 22 2010 at 7:43 AM Rating: Good
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Hooray!!!

Very soon we should be able to upgrade to the crossfired 5870's we've always dreamed of for mere pennies!

edit: Upon further reading at Tom's Hardware, sounds like these two cards aren't exactly upgrades to the 5850 and 5870, as they would appear to be. BUT, by the end of Q4, we should have some true upgrades in the 6900 series.

Edited, Oct 22nd 2010 10:59am by striveldt
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#2 Oct 22 2010 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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That 6850 is giving the GTX 460 a serious run for its money in performance. It also uses only 1 power connector (meaning lesser PSUs can run it), and costs $20-$30 less.

NVidia is going to have to drop the price on the GTX 460 to under $200 to stay competitive.
#3 Oct 22 2010 at 10:12 AM Rating: Good
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I'll be keeping my 5770.
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#4 Oct 22 2010 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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Enscheff wrote:
That 6850 is giving the GTX 460 a serious run for its money in performance. It also uses only 1 power connector (meaning lesser PSUs can run it), and costs $20-$30 less.


Um so you would compare the low end 460 vs the new AMD cards? At least look at what it compares to in it's own family... it is beat out by the 5850 in almost every bench. Doesn't seem like a card worth upgrading to IMO. The 6870 on the other hand puts up some good numbers and makes a bigger impact with price vs performance.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6870-radeon-hd-6850-barts,2776-23.html

*EDIT*Meh either I clicked the wrong link or the OP changed it? Because I could have sworn the review before was vs the 460 768mb version. Ignoring my first sentance, the rest of my feelings remain unchanged.



Edited, Oct 22nd 2010 4:56pm by PerrinofSylph
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#5 Oct 22 2010 at 11:39 AM Rating: Decent
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AMD has changed the naming convention for their video cards, so you can't compare the 6870 to the 5870. A better way to compare them would be to go by price point. If you go to Newegg, you'll see that the 6850 is around the same price as the 5830, and is much better than it (the 5830).
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#6 Oct 22 2010 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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Not sure how much these cost but I just bought a Nvdia gtx 470 and it runs this game maxed out with no lag. That card ran me 325.
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Not sure how much these cost but I just bought a Nvdia gtx 470 and it runs this game maxed out with no lag. That card ran me 325.



the 6870 is $240 suggested

hmmmmm i might have to grab one of them to replace my 5770 when i build my new rig in the spring
i'll have to keep an eye out on the 6900s to see what they end up doing
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Um so you would compare the low end 460 vs the new AMD cards? At least look at what it compares to in it's own family... it is beat out by the 5850 in almost every bench. Doesn't seem like a card worth upgrading to IMO. The 6870 on the other hand puts up some good numbers and makes a bigger impact with price vs performance.

The 6850 only costs $180. Something that beats the 460 in that price range is an easy recommendation.
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PerrinofSylph wrote:
Enscheff wrote:
That 6850 is giving the GTX 460 a serious run for its money in performance. It also uses only 1 power connector (meaning lesser PSUs can run it), and costs $20-$30 less.


Um so you would compare the low end 460 vs the new AMD cards? At least look at what it compares to in it's own family... it is beat out by the 5850 in almost every bench. Doesn't seem like a card worth upgrading to IMO. The 6870 on the other hand puts up some good numbers and makes a bigger impact with price vs performance.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6870-radeon-hd-6850-barts,2776-23.html

*EDIT*Meh either I clicked the wrong link or the OP changed it? Because I could have sworn the review before was vs the 460 768mb version. Ignoring my first sentance, the rest of my feelings remain unchanged.



Edited, Oct 22nd 2010 4:56pm by PerrinofSylph


Um, I never said you would upgrade a 460 with a 6850. I said the 6850 is on par with the 460, requires less power, and is cheaper. If someone is looking to spend around $200 on a new GPU, they would be wise to consider going with the 5850 over the 460.

I know I will be considering it when I upgrade one of my PCs. I was going to get a 460, but now I am likely to grab a 6850 instead.

ETA: The 6850 is not even designed to replace the 5850. Did you even bother reading the reviews, or did you just post out of ignorance?

Edited, Oct 22nd 2010 4:47pm by Enscheff
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Enscheff wrote:
That 6850 is giving the GTX 460 a serious run for its money in performance. It also uses only 1 power connector (meaning lesser PSUs can run it), and costs $20-$30 less.

NVidia is going to have to drop the price on the GTX 460 to under $200 to stay competitive.


the GTX 460 has been under $200 for some time now

Even at bestbuy! (barely)
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AMD went more for power efficiency with these new cards rather than performance. I can understand that there are groups of people out there who would be interested in that, but sadly I'm not. I will wait for a new card that brings a leap in performance and also uses the same amount of power as a small village in Africa.
#12 Oct 22 2010 at 4:15 PM Rating: Decent
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sideways wrote:
Enscheff wrote:
That 6850 is giving the GTX 460 a serious run for its money in performance. It also uses only 1 power connector (meaning lesser PSUs can run it), and costs $20-$30 less.

NVidia is going to have to drop the price on the GTX 460 to under $200 to stay competitive.


the GTX 460 has been under $200 for some time now

Even at bestbuy! (barely)


Thanks you saved me from fishing for links ^.^

Look Enscheff, I'm not saying the AMD cards are bad, but if you were making a purchase right now more than likely you'd lean towards the slightly more expensive GTX 460/470 or the older 5850/70 UNLESS you went for the 6870... Or you were a fanboy. Power consumption is all good and great when you're looking for a "green" or more realisticaly HTPC type application, but for dedicated gaming even on a budget you generally go for the more powerful card within a $50 range or so. The 5XXX series should be dropping in price soon because of the naming confusion, and even if retail doesn't drop... Ebays gonna be loaded with affordable ATI cards.
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sideways wrote:
Enscheff wrote:
That 6850 is giving the GTX 460 a serious run for its money in performance. It also uses only 1 power connector (meaning lesser PSUs can run it), and costs $20-$30 less.

NVidia is going to have to drop the price on the GTX 460 to under $200 to stay competitive.


the GTX 460 has been under $200 for some time now

Even at bestbuy! (barely)


These are the 768MB version tho...I think he meant the 1GB version.
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Here comes the minor upgrade wars between Nvidia and ATI, releasing rebadged cards with smaller die sizes and other minor modifications in performance just to slightly edge out the other.

Wasn't really worth making a thread about it.

I'd personally wait until the next major upgrades where they actually make large leaps over previous generations, like the previous GeForce 4's vs Radeon 8000's, or GeForce 8's vs Radeon HD 2000's, and even the GeForce 400's vs Radeon HD 5000's, before getting all excited.

Edited, Oct 22nd 2010 7:30pm by SoumaKyou
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Benchmarks are just numbers. They project how well a card is supposed to perform, but the real proof is seeing it. I prefer nVidia cards because I do not like the frame stutter of ATI cards. ATI/AMD push out more FPS, but they sacrifice how smooth the frames look to make it happen. I'll trade 20 watts for smoother frames and lower temps any day.


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I converted from ATI to Nvidia because of 3D-Vision :)

Unless ATI comes with something similar I won't switch back. Even thought I like ATI better, but I need Nvidia to use my monitor to its fullest.
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#17 Oct 22 2010 at 5:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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I really don't care enough to spend more money to buy a new card just because it uses less energy.

**** the environment; I want more polygons, dammit.
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I converted from ATI to Nvidia because of 3D-Vision :)

Unless ATI comes with something similar I won't switch back. Even thought I like ATI better, but I need Nvidia to use my monitor to its fullest.


Supposedly the 6XXX series will suport AMDs version of 3d.
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I converted from ATI to Nvidia because of 3D-Vision :)

Unless ATI comes with something similar I won't switch back. Even thought I like ATI better, but I need Nvidia to use my monitor to its fullest.


The 10.10 drivers that just came out today support 3D Vision. I haven't looked into it at all, but it's available now for those interested.
#20 Oct 23 2010 at 3:48 AM Rating: Decent
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striveldt wrote:
Hooray!!!

Very soon we should be able to upgrade to the crossfired 5870's we've always dreamed of for mere pennies!

edit: Upon further reading at Tom's Hardware, sounds like these two cards aren't exactly upgrades to the 5850 and 5870, as they would appear to be. BUT, by the end of Q4, we should have some true upgrades in the 6900 series.

Edited, Oct 22nd 2010 10:59am by striveldt


They are to the 6xxx series what the 57xx cards are to the 5xxx series. They are about equal to the 58xx series but with improved tessellation performance.
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The 10.10 drivers that just came out today support 3D Vision.


No it doesn't because 3D Vision is proprietary to Nvidia.

ATI is doing their stereo 3D through the HDMI 1.4 and Display Port standards rather than developing something proprietary.



Edited, Oct 23rd 2010 7:00am by Lobivopis
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#22 Oct 23 2010 at 3:59 AM Rating: Decent
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AMD went more for power efficiency with these new cards rather than performance. I can understand that there are groups of people out there who would be interested in that, but sadly I'm not. I will wait for a new card that brings a leap in performance and also uses the same amount of power as a small village in Africa.


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I really don't care enough to spend more money to buy a new card just because it uses less energy.

@#%^ the environment; I want more polygons, dammit.


No they went for a card that was cheaper to produce. The decreased power consumption is a result of a GPU that contains 1.7 million transistors instead of 2.15 million.

More efficient architecture, fewer transistors, higher clock speed = card is cheaper to produce and equals the 5870 in performance more or less.

These same architectural improvements with more transistors are what we'll be seeing in the 6900 series.

Edited, Oct 24th 2010 12:52am by Lobivopis
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PerrinofSylph wrote:
JamesX wrote:
I converted from ATI to Nvidia because of 3D-Vision :)

Unless ATI comes with something similar I won't switch back. Even thought I like ATI better, but I need Nvidia to use my monitor to its fullest.


Supposedly the 6XXX series will suport AMDs the industry standard version of 3d.


ftfy.
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#24 Oct 23 2010 at 9:07 AM Rating: Decent
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What about doing crossfire for the existing cards? I've looked around and the last thing I saw was that it made performance worse, can anyone help me with that?
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and somehow maxed out FFXIV will still run at 40 fps on these cards.
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#26 Oct 23 2010 at 9:51 PM Rating: Decent
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and somehow maxed out FFXIV will still run at 40 fps on these cards.


Because they aren't faster than the 58xx cards. They're just cheaper. The real sucessors to the 58xx will be the 69xx cards.
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