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#1 Oct 23 2010 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
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In various caves I like to grind in, its usually a higher level(27ish) conj placed in a spot where he can grab 50-80% of the mobs that spawn in the cave. The bot seems to constantly be tab targeting until it finds something it can attack then it claims the mob, kills it and collects the shards/crystals. Should I bother reporting these guys?
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#2 Oct 23 2010 at 12:24 PM Rating: Good
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No, because since you decided to stick it out you are going to want people to play with.

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#3 Oct 23 2010 at 12:45 PM Rating: Default
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#4 Oct 23 2010 at 12:55 PM Rating: Decent
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hah fish.. I have reported bots to SE and it does nothing. The guy is still their 2 days later. Their will always be bots and RMT in MMO's. I have excepted this.
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#5 Oct 23 2010 at 12:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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hah fish.. I have reported bots to SE and it does nothing. The guy is still their 2 days later. Their will always be bots and RMT in MMO's. I have excepted this.


Most of the time things like this they don't adress on an individual basis. This goes for pretty much any MMO company, they tend to wait untill a certain time and mass ban multiple accounts at once. However given that this is SE we are talking about.. eh it's 50/50 at best what will happen..
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#6 Oct 23 2010 at 1:00 PM Rating: Default
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Go ahead and report them, just don't be like these numpties here crying because SE doesn't ban them 10 minutes after you file the report. The STF will take your report, investigate, and the bots will be dealt with in due time. ****, some of the bots that get reported might even get overlooked. I came across a half dozen lalafel at Camp Skull Valley last night that all had the same first name and gibberish last names. I didn't report them because standing at an aetheryte crystal with ridiculous names isn't against the rules (and if it were, half the people playing would be banned anyways), but it wouldn't surprise me to see them off in some remote corner slaughtering things with RMT-like aplomb. All you can do is all you can do.
#7 Oct 23 2010 at 1:05 PM Rating: Default
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I play in the caves and i dont talk to people i just sit and half asleep grind SP on lowe lv mobs its probably not a bot your just looking for them where none are to be found....

Edited, Oct 23rd 2010 3:06pm by cornyboob
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#8 Oct 23 2010 at 1:40 PM Rating: Good
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Or they could be like me and have a 24" monitor and play while watching anime. So when I have it windowed at the lowest settings the chat box (I don't have anything filtered yet) so I end up not seeing any /tells or normal chat.

But honestly bots are the easiest to spot when their name is jhdfd abjl. Saw two con with simular name with exact same gears.
#9 Oct 23 2010 at 3:35 PM Rating: Default
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I think that people who assume people with random letters are bots are morons even tho sometimes they are actually botts or "multi boxers".

I knew a guy once whos name was JQMJIF i thought he was a botter. He named his character using a acronym only he could understand. Just Quit My Job Im Free! but i didnt think that was what it could ahve meant before he explained it to me...

Sometimes its a bot Most of the time its not. Just keep an open mind.

Edited, Oct 23rd 2010 5:35pm by cornyboob
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#10 Nov 03 2010 at 8:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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The cavebots are bots through and through, not semi-afk players. You can dangle a claimed mob near them and they will turn to face them. When not attacking, their heads swivel like mad trying to find targets to attack. And because you can't pull any mobs like aldgoats inside the caves (even if they run around 10 meters above your head), it's not even possible to kill them. I've tried... (I did the same thing with fishbots in FFXI, before they ruined MPK... you know how hard it is to kill a lvl 50 WHM fishbot without bind/bindlink MPK?)

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Sometimes its a bot Most of the time its not. Just keep an open mind.


No, 99.99% of the time they are RMT. The remainder are idiots that think it's funny pretending to be RMT, using some 'smart' excuse for their name.

Oldskool RMT used real names with some incrementing counter, like Tomaa, Tombb or Redapplea, Redappleb... the new bots just use facesmash names (and probably use a bot to smash their face in the keyboard as well..)
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#11 Nov 03 2010 at 10:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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My hope is that gil won't be worth buying in FFXIV. Its already incredibly easy to make money and there are lots of things SE can do to avoid the crushing poverty most of us experienced in FFXI in our early levels. During 2005, people almost felt forced to buy gil in FFXI because required gear (scorpion harness) skyrocketed in cost.

For example, crystals can be gotten in exchange for guild marks so once people have higher rank jobs and can earn marks consistently the crystal/shard market will plummet and they'll be worth next to nothing. Most other gear is already dropping in price, or can be crafted yourself with some grinding. Mats are freely accessible and I hope it stays that way.
#12 Nov 03 2010 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
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I hope SE is at least aware these are bots and is able to track who their gil goes to.
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#13 Nov 03 2010 at 12:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Can I be the one who says DONT REPORT someone just because they attacking lots? Your post provides no proof that this is a bot, and actually describes my kind of gameplay strategy (tabbing and arrow helix to draw many mobs). Dont get a legit player banned.
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#15Chubbyjesus, Posted: Nov 03 2010 at 1:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I dont think they will get into trouble. I dont really like this game much, but I bought a pretty big block of time.
#16 Nov 03 2010 at 3:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've been waiting to be reported for being a bot.
Every 36 hours I actually have something to get up and do for an hour or so. The rest of the time its Standard, Makers Muse, Standard, Standard..........................
****, I AM a bot.
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#17 Nov 03 2010 at 4:44 PM Rating: Good
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Restyoneck wrote:
I've been waiting to be reported for being a bot.
Every 36 hours I actually have something to get up and do for an hour or so. The rest of the time its Standard, Makers Muse, Standard, Standard..........................
@#%^, I AM a bot.


Yup, that's pretty much how I feel too. I think SE will have difficulty spotting bots when the actual gameplay consists of spamming the same action over and over and over and... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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#18 Nov 03 2010 at 8:08 PM Rating: Good
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My hope is that gil won't be worth buying in FFXIV. Its already incredibly easy to make money and there are lots of things SE can do to avoid the crushing poverty most of us experienced in FFXI in our early levels. During 2005, people almost felt forced to buy gil in FFXI because required gear (scorpion harness) skyrocketed in cost.

For example, crystals can be gotten in exchange for guild marks so once people have higher rank jobs and can earn marks consistently the crystal/shard market will plummet and they'll be worth next to nothing. Most other gear is already dropping in price, or can be crafted yourself with some grinding. Mats are freely accessible and I hope it stays that way.



Actually the sky rocketing prices in XI durring that christmas was due to people buying gil, if i remember correctly 1mil was 5$ on most RMT sites. Now tell me if this game went to like 5mil for 5$ or 10mil for 5$ that we wouldn't have the same thing happen. When time to gil ratio becomes to high where the normal player would rather fork out 50 bucks and be rich than spend like 3 weeks farming and grinding and Leve hunting, we'll have have gil buyers.

The biggest gil sink in this game atm, is shards...I don't see the price going down either. Look around your newb areas, I bet they are barron and all the rank 1-5 mobs are up catching rays. As the population ranks up it'll be more and more advantages for ppl to PT, limiting the amount of shards again. And as people rank up crafts the need for more and more shards will go up.

I mean try and find a person selling wind shards on your server at a reasonable price for more than hour. Same for earth, or fire. With more and more people figuring out and leveling ALCH you'll see crystals being bought up just as fast. I mean in the last three weeks crystals went from ~1k to now 2-2.5k even higher depending if it's fire. If RMT were smart they would begin to farm shards like they going out of style till they had enough to control the market. Sell them VERY high, buy up all the competition, and re-sell. Making all crafting very expensive making gear very expensive, making gil buying very appealing.

RMT is here to stay...as the gays say....get used to it.
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Go ahead and report them, just don't be like these numpties here crying because SE doesn't ban them 10 minutes after you file the report. The STF will take your report, investigate, and the bots will be dealt with in due time. ****, some of the bots that get reported might even get overlooked. I came across a half dozen lalafel at Camp Skull Valley last night that all had the same first name and gibberish last names. I didn't report them because standing at an aetheryte crystal with ridiculous names isn't against the rules (and if it were, half the people playing would be banned anyways), but it wouldn't surprise me to see them off in some remote corner slaughtering things with RMT-like aplomb. All you can do is all you can do.


Why do posts like this get rated down? Is it so unreasonable to believe that SE employees are human who only work ~8 hours per day and are likely strapped with fixing/building content for FFXIV let alone instantly responding to every bot report, of which few are actually legitimate? I'm not going to defend SE for this game, but neither will I claim they somehow posses god-like abilities to instantly and fairly enforce all nooks and crannies of the ToS as reported by the hordes of vigilantes who have actually never even read the ToS.

Can you imagine the hate if SE actually did ban most of the people "reported"? I'm pretty sure everyone has been reported at least once by a competitor or someone who caught you afking, or someone who just doesn't understand game mechanics.

Rate up Aur for thinking logically and not expecting god-like, unprecedented, results from SE.

Edited, Nov 3rd 2010 9:38pm by Hydragyrum
#20 Nov 04 2010 at 1:52 AM Rating: Decent
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As the population ranks up it'll be more and more advantages for ppl to PT, limiting the amount of shards again.

I'm not sure how this is really going to decrease shard/crystal gain. I have tested the matter of shard allotment on groups versus solo play and the whole party gets all the shards from every kill. Sure, you have to be within the same tight area, but when my friend and I farmed sheep together, we both always got 3/6 shards or 1 crystal from the mob we killed. They don't get split. Hence, partying would only increase overall shard and crystal gain because of presumably faster/multiple kills.

Additionally, as DoL classes level up, the amount of shards they get off primary points also seems to increase. As a R20 Botanist, I get a lot more 3-Shards now than I did as a R5 or R10. I think there's always going to be a steady supply of shards and crystals.
#21 Nov 04 2010 at 2:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Aurelius wrote:
Go ahead and report them, just don't be like these numpties here crying because SE doesn't ban them 10 minutes after you file the report. The STF will take your report, investigate, and the bots will be dealt with in due time. ****, some of the bots that get reported might even get overlooked. I came across a half dozen lalafel at Camp Skull Valley last night that all had the same first name and gibberish last names. I didn't report them because standing at an aetheryte crystal with ridiculous names isn't against the rules (and if it were, half the people playing would be banned anyways), but it wouldn't surprise me to see them off in some remote corner slaughtering things with RMT-like aplomb. All you can do is all you can do.


Why do posts like this get rated down? Is it so unreasonable to believe that SE employees are human who only work ~8 hours per day and are likely strapped with fixing/building content for FFXIV let alone instantly responding to every bot report, of which few are actually legitimate? I'm not going to defend SE for this game, but neither will I claim they somehow posses god-like abilities to instantly and fairly enforce all nooks and crannies of the ToS as reported by the hordes of vigilantes who have actually never even read the ToS.

Can you imagine the hate if SE actually did ban most of the people "reported"? I'm pretty sure everyone has been reported at least once by a competitor or someone who caught you afking, or someone who just doesn't understand game mechanics.

Rate up Aur for thinking logically and not expecting god-like, unprecedented, results from SE.

Edited, Nov 3rd 2010 9:38pm by Hydragyrum


Another thing to consider is that SE is taking the (likely) multiple reports of these same bots and just observing for now... waiting to see where all their gil goes, who they trade to, who they interact with. Then, randomly, we get an announcement like we did in XI that Xthousand players have been banned/suspended and Xbillion gil has been removed from the economy.

It makes sense. Why swat at bees when you can nuke up the hive with a little patience and observation?
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It makes sense. Why swat at bees when you can nuke up the hive with a little patience and observation?


Hmmm. Maybe SE is still fighting fire with fire? I remember the haxxbot version 1337 or whatever it was called. SE made a bot that was supposed to ban bots. They ended up nuking hundreds of innocent players in the process. At any moment, any of your accounts could be suspended or banned without warning or notification of a reason. Perhaps the most exciting thing about playing FFXIV right now.
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
It makes sense. Why swat at bees when you can nuke up the hive with a little patience and observation?


Hmmm. Maybe SE is still fighting fire with fire? I remember the haxxbot version 1337 or whatever it was called. SE made a bot that was supposed to ban bots. They ended up nuking hundreds of innocent players in the process. At any moment, any of your accounts could be suspended or banned without warning or notification of a reason. Perhaps the most exciting thing about playing FFXIV right now.


Oh god...they made a bot to ban bots PLEASE SE do not bring this to FFXIV!
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I made nearly the same post a couple of days ago (Subject = Cave Bots). In 3 different caves i saw conj in the same spot, same gear with 'hjkhjk hjogjkj' type names.

I did report them anyway, looked like obvious botting to me since any mobs that were a little out of range were just left until they happened to drift into range. Sure if you're playing semi-afk (working at the same time or whatever, i do it plenty) then you can just adjust your position a little to get a mob.

I bet they'll be there shortly after the maintenance ends
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As the population ranks up it'll be more and more advantages for ppl to PT, limiting the amount of shards again.

I'm not sure how this is really going to decrease shard/crystal gain. I have tested the matter of shard allotment on groups versus solo play and the whole party gets all the shards from every kill. Sure, you have to be within the same tight area, but when my friend and I farmed sheep together, we both always got 3/6 shards or 1 crystal from the mob we killed. They don't get split. Hence, partying would only increase overall shard and crystal gain because of presumably faster/multiple kills.

Additionally, as DoL classes level up, the amount of shards they get off primary points also seems to increase. As a R20 Botanist, I get a lot more 3-Shards now than I did as a R5 or R10. I think there's always going to be a steady supply of shards and crystals.


I SP'd last night on crabs with a group of 6 and every mob gave us each 1 shard. So it does split it up. While the number out there remains the same it is more spread out not allowing those who do want to sell shards to amass a large supply.

And you make a false assumption that DoL can make up for the loss of 600+ DoW getting 6 shards per kill in the newb areas. The servers were awash with shards at the beginning but now finding Earth and Wind shards is very difficult. Yet I could find Ice and Water very easily. As more and more people rank up to fight in PT's we won't be seeing 600 DoW producing 6 shards each as they kill mobs, we'll be seeing them pull down 1-3 shards each. Greatly reducing the supply. Like I said above. Unless we all level DoL we can't fill that void, and unless more new people start playing to offset that lose I see the price of shards doing nothing but continue to climb higher and higher...
#27 Nov 04 2010 at 1:02 PM Rating: Default
Honestly after trying to level a craft into 20 to find out i need like everything else also on 20, the same with attack jobs... Crafting the same **** for an entire night to get 1 level then you need to go to craft number 2 and level it and then craft number 3. Then you Pug needs X, Y, Z skills to be better at farming and they come from level 20 mages which are a huge pain in the *** to level.

I hate bots but im prepared to see more bots in this game than FFXI ever dreamed of if this WORK system called game stands still.
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I still don't see shards being that hard to obtain. Soloing is a lot easier than in FFXI. I really have no trouble going to farm all the shards I need, and I tend to sell off a few as well. And this is me leveling pretty much every single bloody craft because they all need something from the other and it's easier to level them than try to find the pieces I need. If people ran out and did their 8-16-24 party leves, or even did some party grinding for a couple hours, that doesn't stop them from spending another couple farming shards.

I still get a ton of shards off Wharf Rats and Lost Lambs at Rank11-15. The mobs are less than difficult to kill. And as a Thau or Con I don't even use my MP regain spells. Just my R10 Weapon Skill is enough to offset the cost of Stoneskin and an occasional Cure. Sure, things may begin to change as things get "tougher", but I doubt it. One major aspect of the game is to make it soloable. That's one thing they need to keep (especially with so many people threatening to leave). And as long as people can suck it up and go farm their own shards and crystals, it's not going to be an issue.

I'm glad to see that when groups get larger the shards split, but they certainly didn't with 2 people. So duoing pathetic mobs at higher levels would yield plenty for both. Also, I never said DoL was going to supply the market. I was saying that those of us that do DoL as a more primary job won't have as much, if any issue getting shards for our crafts.

I'm also wondering about the shard-split in regards to #of people versus # of shards. If you had 6 people fighting an Earth based mob that would throw 6 Earth Shards, everyone getting 1 would be a standard split. However, when it dropped Fire or Ice, which would be 3 Shards, did everyone still get one? Because that would then result in double the amount of sub-shards from a single mob. And in regard to Crystals, when 1 drops, did everyone get 1, or just one person? Because soloing would get you maybe 1 Crystal. If a 6-person party got 1 each, that's 6 times the normal output. So, overall I'm still seeing an increase in total shard/crystal output per mob.

Additionally, higher level Leves give clusters as rewards. So the higher we get, it's more likely the more clusters we get. 1 Cluster = 24 Crystals = 768 Shards. Don't want to farm shards? Then level Alchemy, or find a friend, and farm Radiant _____ Moraine and Clusters. It's really not that different from FFXI. Farm elementals for components. In XIV we just need to also do a bit more crafting. But, presumably in 30 minutes, you could get both a Radiant _____ Moraine and a Cluster, between R20-30, and have over 500 shards. I still see no way to slow down shard/Crystal accumulation unless people just become insanely lazy.
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