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#1 Oct 25 2010 at 5:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Just a quick and simple question, the optimum level on gear, does it refer to physical level or whatever the class you are at the moment?

(I'm guessing physical level?)
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#2 Oct 25 2010 at 5:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Please read the interface: It does not say optimal level. It says optimal rank, and therefore refers to your job rank.
#3 Oct 25 2010 at 5:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I did notice that but fair enough, thank you

I thought my comprehension was off since it seemed like my level 19 dagger had higher stats than my level 9 dagger at gladiator level 12 (along with a bunch of different higher level pieces of gear) so I suspected it referred to my physical level.
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#4 Oct 25 2010 at 5:27 AM Rating: Decent
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I also wonder the same thing about this as well!

My level is 15 and rank 10 but i can wear lvl 16 armor legging.

Then

I saw a level 9 character wear chain mail which is lvl 20+

so

we can wear or use any thing regard of level?
#5 Oct 25 2010 at 5:36 AM Rating: Decent
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you can wear what you want you just wont benifit from it. if armour / weapons are higher than your rank you will not get the full efect from the stats and the duribilty will decrease alot quicker.
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Levish wrote:
I did notice that but fair enough, thank you

I thought my comprehension was off since it seemed like my level 19 dagger had higher stats than my level 9 dagger at gladiator level 12 (along with a bunch of different higher level pieces of gear) so I suspected it referred to my physical level.


It scales with your level, and it scales by a %. Generally very high level gears has higher stats proportionally with the rank, so it does scale better even with lower rank user. The clearest example is the Haubergeon/Cuirass, they have higher stat/rank wise compare to most other clothes because they are War Garb/Full Plate, so even at lower rank they do give better def. Also it seems that Stat like STR/DEX/VIT/INT/MND/PIE isn't affected by optimal rank, all others do however.
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Khornette wrote:
Levish wrote:
I did notice that but fair enough, thank you

I thought my comprehension was off since it seemed like my level 19 dagger had higher stats than my level 9 dagger at gladiator level 12 (along with a bunch of different higher level pieces of gear) so I suspected it referred to my physical level.


It scales with your level, and it scales by a %. Generally very high level gears has higher stats proportionally with the rank, so it does scale better even with lower rank user. The clearest example is the Haubergeon/Cuirass, they have higher stat/rank wise compare to most other clothes because they are War Garb/Full Plate, so even at lower rank they do give better def. Also it seems that Stat like STR/DEX/VIT/INT/MND/PIE isn't affected by optimal rank, all others do however.




and the scaling isn't as harsh as some people make it look. my 25 LNC bronze hauby vs Iron hauby i lost 1 def but gained 1 eva..... so i keep my iron one on for now
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#8 Oct 25 2010 at 9:12 AM Rating: Good
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The scaling isn't that bad. It is the wear dropping like a rock that is scary.
#9 Oct 25 2010 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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I'm currently rank 27 wearing a rank 25 leather jacket. Current def: 224 current eva 254.

equipping a Rank 33 Leather harness (with both higher def and evasion) drops my def to 214 and raises my eva to 262. So there is definitely a negative effect to equipping gear too far from optimal rank. If you are rich and can stand the repair costs, at least make sure that high rank gear actually benefits you before using it. A rank 20 gladiator decked out in a full rank 35 set might actually have worse stats than a rank 20 gladiator decked out in a rank 20 set.

Edited, Oct 26th 2010 12:24pm by GusMorgan
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#10 Oct 26 2010 at 3:15 AM Rating: Decent
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GusMorgan wrote:
I'm currently rank 27 wearing a rank 26 leather jacket. Current def: 224 current eva 254.

equipping a Rank 33 Leather harness (with both higher def and evasion) drops my def to 214 and raises my eva to 262. So there is definitely a negative effect to equipping gear too far from optimal rank. If you are rich and can stand the repair costs, at least make sure that high rank gear actually benefits you before using it. A rank 20 gladiator decked out in a full rank 35 set might actually have worse stats than a rank 20 gladiator decked out in a rank 20 set.


Cool thx
#11 Oct 26 2010 at 3:39 AM Rating: Good
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GusMorgan wrote:
I'm currently rank 27 wearing a rank 26 leather jacket. Current def: 224 current eva 254.

equipping a Rank 33 Leather harness (with both higher def and evasion) drops my def to 214 and raises my eva to 262. So there is definitely a negative effect to equipping gear too far from optimal rank. If you are rich and can stand the repair costs, at least make sure that high rank gear actually benefits you before using it. A rank 20 gladiator decked out in a full rank 35 set might actually have worse stats than a rank 20 gladiator decked out in a rank 20 set.


Actually no, your example is faulted a bit because Leather Jacket has higher DEF than Harness of the same rank. There are clothes/armour types and usually:

Cuirass > Haubergeon > Scale Mail > Jacket = Jerkins > Harness > Chain mail = Acton, consider the Def scaling with level because they are unfortunately not all of the same level.

The rest are not really suitable for Melee classes in term of DEF, that is, for everything we know currently. There bound to be other types of clothes we don't know.


Edited, Oct 26th 2010 5:41am by Khornette
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Except that you will need to repair your Iron Hauby twice as much as your Bronze Hauby...all that for 1 Eva<->1 Def?
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Khornette wrote:
Also it seems that Stat like STR/DEX/VIT/INT/MND/PIE isn't affected by optimal rank, all others do however.


Those are also affected. I picked up a r31 lapis lazuli ring today that gives +5 MND. Toyed around with equipping on various classes to see the changes. Only my 30Weaver gets the full +5 so far. Still with some things like that, a weakened version is better than some of the other options.
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#14 Oct 26 2010 at 6:23 AM Rating: Decent
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I'll stick my question on here since it's related. Two parts, first, was it ever explicitly said what the detrimental effects of using gear outside the optimal level? Some things can be told easily like stats, but faster wear? I never really notice that. And even if it's worn out, what are the detrimental effects? I just find the whole repairing thing to be an endless frustration that I can hardly justify doing.
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Shezard wrote:
Except that you will need to repair your Iron Hauby twice as much as your Bronze Hauby...all that for 1 Eva<->1 Def?


Can always ask an Arm to repair them, can't you? I haven't had to repair my Iron Haubergeon for 3 ranks from 22-25.
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Khornette wrote:
GusMorgan wrote:
I'm currently rank 27 wearing a rank 25 leather jacket. Current def: 224 current eva 254.

equipping a Rank 33 Leather harness (with both higher def and evasion) drops my def to 214 and raises my eva to 262. So there is definitely a negative effect to equipping gear too far from optimal rank. If you are rich and can stand the repair costs, at least make sure that high rank gear actually benefits you before using it. A rank 20 gladiator decked out in a full rank 35 set might actually have worse stats than a rank 20 gladiator decked out in a rank 20 set.


Actually no, your example is faulted a bit because Leather Jacket has higher DEF than Harness of the same rank. There are clothes/armour types and usually:

Cuirass > Haubergeon > Scale Mail > Jacket = Jerkins > Harness > Chain mail = Acton, consider the Def scaling with level because they are unfortunately not all of the same level.

The rest are not really suitable for Melee classes in term of DEF, that is, for everything we know currently. There bound to be other types of clothes we don't know.


Edited, Oct 26th 2010 5:41am by Khornette



Except that if you read my post you can see the leather jacket is rank 25 and has lower def than the rank 33 leather harness.

http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/item.html?ffxivitem=8030906

http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/item.html?ffxivitem=8031505

I just hit rank 29 and currently I get more DEF from leather harness now than from my old leather jacket since i'm getting closer to optimal rank for the harness.

Edited, Oct 26th 2010 12:24pm by GusMorgan
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#17 Oct 26 2010 at 11:53 PM Rating: Good
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GusMorgan wrote:
Khornette wrote:
GusMorgan wrote:
I'm currently rank 27 wearing a rank 25 leather jacket. Current def: 224 current eva 254.

equipping a Rank 33 Leather harness (with both higher def and evasion) drops my def to 214 and raises my eva to 262. So there is definitely a negative effect to equipping gear too far from optimal rank. If you are rich and can stand the repair costs, at least make sure that high rank gear actually benefits you before using it. A rank 20 gladiator decked out in a full rank 35 set might actually have worse stats than a rank 20 gladiator decked out in a rank 20 set.


Actually no, your example is faulted a bit because Leather Jacket has higher DEF than Harness of the same rank. There are clothes/armour types and usually:

Cuirass > Haubergeon > Scale Mail > Jacket = Jerkins > Harness > Chain mail = Acton, consider the Def scaling with level because they are unfortunately not all of the same level.

The rest are not really suitable for Melee classes in term of DEF, that is, for everything we know currently. There bound to be other types of clothes we don't know.


Edited, Oct 26th 2010 5:41am by Khornette



Except that if you read my post you can see the leather jacket is rank 25 and has lower def than the rank 33 leather harness.

http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/item.html?ffxivitem=8030906

http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/item.html?ffxivitem=8031505

I just hit rank 29 and currently I get more DEF from leather harness now than from my old leather jacket since i'm getting closer to optimal rank for the harness.

Edited, Oct 26th 2010 12:24pm by GusMorgan


No what I meant is that basically Jacket gives higher DEF than Harness of same tier (1-10,11-20,21-30,31-40,41-50), and that Jacket give better DEF scaling by level compare to Harness, by same tier/level. That's the sole reason why Haubergeon/Cuirass is so popular, because they are the two types that have the best DEF scaling, even if they horribly outlevel the player they still give way better DEF compare to anything you have before r21. There's a reason why clothes are divided into Full Plate, Wargarb, Attire etc.

Edited, Oct 27th 2010 1:55am by Khornette

Edited, Oct 27th 2010 1:55am by Khornette

In case you still don't understand, this is what Jacket is at same tier as your Harness

http://ffxiv.yg.com/item/scouting-jacket-ochre?id=8030909

Edited, Oct 27th 2010 1:57am by Khornette
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