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#1 Oct 25 2010 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Hi all. :) I hope this is the right place to post this! I was going to just make a post in the computer building thread, but I sort of wanted to create my own topic for more specific feedback. Please feel free move or delete if necessary. I'm trying to gather as much information as I can before I make a definite purchase (I'm a little nervous about it :P), so I'm posting this on several different forums with hopes of a lot of good feedback.

This is probably going to be a pretty long post, and I'm definitely not very well-versed in computer building or the technicalities and performance ratings of all the different GPUs/CPUs out there, so bear with me. :)

I just need a little help deciding between two laptops I'm interested in. I would like to be able to play both FFXI and FFXIV on it. This will be my first official gaming laptop. I'm finally replacing my trusty 5 year old Dell Inspiron 6400 that I used to play FFXI on, so I'm pretty excited about being able to play both FFXI and FFXIV smoothly with the settings turned up maybe a little bit to really experience the graphics, since I've never really been able to before. :D

So here we go! Basically, I can't decide between the Asus G73JH and the G73JW. I discovered a topic already created discussing these two laptops, but I just wanted to try and find out a little more detail. (http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/17514-g73jh-b1-or-the-g73jw-a1/) The links below are just for the general specs, and I will probably end up ordering from xoticpc.com or powernotebooks.com or something just to customize a tad, since I'm also thinking about getting a decent size SSD for it. (Maybe an 80GB one would be enough?) I'm not too concerned with price differences.

G73JH
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220695&cm_re=g73jh-_-34-220-695-_-Product
(This particular model is the X1, which just means it doesn't have a few features included in other models such as a second 500GB HD and a BluRay drive)

G73JW
http://www.amazon.com/G73JW-A1-Republic-Gamers-17-3-Inch-Gaming/dp/B0041RRS0I
(This has the A1 and the XA1 models, where the XA1 has less features than the A1. I also think the XA1 model has 1033MHz RAM and the A1 has 1333MHz RAM.)

Overall, the particular model isn't a huge deal to me. Like I said, I think I'm going to customize it a little bit anyway.

After a little bit of research, the main difference I could find was that the JH has a Mobility Radeon HD 5870 GPU and the JW has a Nvidia GTX 460M GPU. I also found the JW runs cooler (maybe 10-15C), but I'm not sure if that is really even a major issue.

One thing I'm worried about is the dreaded GSOD problem that a lot of people have with the JH when playing FFXIV. I read through the extremely helpful help topic on here with the BIOS fix, so that makes me feel better, but I also read it just doesn't seem to help for some people and they still experience problems when playing, even after applying all the proper fixes. I would just hate to go through all that and purchase such a nice new laptop and end up never really being able to fully utilize it for FFXIV, or have to constantly worry about it crashing during play.

A lot of people seem to have great feedback as far as how FFXIV actually runs on the JH, but I can't seem to find too much info about how FFXIV runs on the JW. I was able to dig up this post (http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-reviews-owners-lounges/518687-asus-g73jw-owners-lounge-8.html#post6735769) where the JW wasn't running FFXIV too great at first with lots of stuttering, but it did seem like he was able to correct it with some overclocking and new drivers. (http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-reviews-owners-lounges/518687-asus-g73jw-owners-lounge-16.html#post6745008) He said he got around 40-55 FPS (max 60 FPS) in uncrowded outdoor areas and dipping to a minimum of 22 FPS in crowded areas while running at less than full resolution (1680 x 1050).

From what I could find, this seems comparable to FFXIV on the JH: 45-50 FPS in the field and 28-35 FPS in towns at max settings with around 80C GPU temp and 65C CPU temp. (http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/526608-g73jh-how-do-games-perform-you-2.html#post6809174 and http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/474721-asus-g73jh-gpu-temp-64.html#post6789908)

I realize the benchmark probably isn't the best thing in the world to gauge how FFXIV will run, but just for the record I dug up some results that showed it was relatively close between the JH and the JW. On high, the JH receieved around 2021-2042. (http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?game=268&mid=1279532738294596773#msg1284387040134827218) The JW receieved anywhere from 1700 underclocked to 1981-2000 with a little overclocking. (http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/515430-asus-g73jw-discussion-thread-54.html#post6824455 and http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/515430-asus-g73jw-discussion-thread-37.html#post6769801)

I know there's a whole thing about the brand war between Nvidia and AMD, but I really don't have a personal preference. :) I just would like to choose the one that works best with both FFXIV and FFXI. Does a particular brand of GPU do better with FFXIV? From looking at the stickies, it seems that there are some issues with both types of GPUs in FFXIV. Aside from the brand in general, it seems like the 5870 in the G73JH is a slightly more powerful GPU than the 460 in the G73JW. (http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html) How much of a difference will it make for running FFXIV?

This leads to an imporant question regarding FFXI and GPUs. I've been reading that FFXI does not perform well at all on Nvidia cards, especially the 400 series. This is definitely imporant to me, as I would hate to get a laptop that would run FFXIV nice and smooth but would be horrible with FFXI. This point alone makes me lean more towards the JH just because it has AMD card. Does anyone have any experience with FFXI and Nvidia cards, especially on a laptop? Is it really as bad as everyone says? I will go with the JH if it really is that bad to play FFXI on a Nvidia card.

Regarding updating Catalyst drivers for the JH, some people mentioned they were not able to use the new official Catalyst drivers from AMD.

From the feedback of the JH on Newegg:
"Cons: It WILL NOT allow you to update the video drivers. You CAN NOT download drivers from ATI's webpage and get them to work. When new games come out that require the latest video drivers you WILL NOT be able to play them. This is a known issue with ASUS and they have yet to fix it. Their solution is to recommend you uninstall ATI video drivers and go back to theirs released on 01/2010. You are pretty much stuck playing games that are compatible with old ATI drivers. This is not what I call a gaming laptop.

Other Thoughts: I tried everything to get new ATI drivers to work, many different versions after 01/2010 they all end with the laptop crashes with vertical lines on the screen. Settings the resolution lower does not help. Install only the drivers and not the control suite software doesn't help."

Also, here: http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/9977-asus-g73jh-notebook-ffxiv-guide/page__view__findpost__p__231597

It seems like they were only able to use the older drivers provided by Asus. I would hate to have to be forced to only use those older drivers and never be able to update to newers ones released by AMD that may improve performance on FFXI or FFXIV.

As I mentioned above, I would like to customize whichever laptop I decide to get just a little bit. I want to get an SSD, so would 80GB seem like a big enough size? I would put Windows 7, FFXI, FFXIV, and maybe a few other programs on it, but that would pretty much be it. I don't plan on putting any other games on it, but I would like to have enough space to be ready for future FFXIV updates and expansions.

Some further customization would probably include the IC Diamond thermal paste. I read that it lowers the temperature of the laptop. Would that be a good decision? Any other customization recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

On the subject of temperature, would I need a laptop cooler for either of these? I would like to be able to run FFXIV for long periods of time, so I don't want to encounter any overheating issues. The reviews say that the JH runs hotter than the JW, but I wasn't sure if that was a huge deal or not and if it would really effect gaming. It would also be nice to be able to sit back and put the computer in my lap, but I'm not sure if that will block any fans on the laptop or cooler and cause heating problems. Are there any recommendations or general tips to go by for picking out a good cooler?

Overall, it seems like both laptops have some pros and cons.

The JH definitely seems to runs FFXIV great, and I assume it would run FFXI fine as well, as I could not find anything particularly notable on compatibility issues in general with AMD cards and FFXI. Also, I think the GPU is slightly more powerful. However, does look like it runs hotter than the JW (but is that going to have any noticeable effect on gaming?), and of course there's the whole major GSOD issue. Even with a fix, I don't want to have to be constantly worrying about FFXIV crashing on me.

The JW appears to run FFXIV very smooth as well, but I haven't been able to find as many testimonies for running FFXIV on it compared to the JH. The GSOD would not be an issue at all with the JW, so that would be a relief to not have to worry about it popping up. Even so, the GPU on the JW does seem to be slightly weaker. I am also very worried about the compatability horror stories I've been hearing with Nvidia GPUs and FFXI. I would like to be able to play both games on the laptop, so that is a major concern for me.

So, in summary (finally!):

JH - Capable of running both FFXI and FFXIV smoothly, slightly more powerful GPU, but possible GSOD problems even with the BIOS fix, and possible issues with upgrading Catalyst drivers from AMD and only being able to use the older Catalyst drivers Asus offers, also runs a little hotter.

JW - Capable of running FFXIV nicely (from what I could tell from the one case I could find), runs a little cooler, no GSOD or driver issues to worry about, but maybe a slightly weaker GPU, and possible problems with running FFXI on a Nvidia GPU.

I think I've covered everything I can think of when comparing these two laptops. Sorry it turned out to be a novel! :) I'm kind of nervous about it and just want to do everything right to make sure I have a nice laptop for years to come that is able to run both FFXI and FFXIV smoothly. I look forward to any helpful thoughts, opinions, and tips. Thank you!

Edited, Oct 25th 2010 2:32pm by Kiwipea
#2 Oct 25 2010 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
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First...I apologize for this...but I entirely expected to find Gil-selling links embedded within your post once I started reading it. Smiley: sly

Anywho, go with the JH. It's more powerful and ATI issues are becoming less and less common (if even present at all after Catalyst 10.x). I personally have two machines running 5770's and haven't had any GSOD issues whatsoever, even while in Beta when ATI drivers were being pitchforked. Smiley: wink
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#3 Oct 25 2010 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
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I have the G73JH-A1, and I really hate it. I had to send the first one back the day I received it because of the speaker issue that I couldn't fix at all. And I had to flash my Video Card's BIOs days after I started playing FFXIV because I'd get the BSOD. Also there is an annoying bug with the track pad where it'll stop working, or make webpages zoom in and out as if your pinching to zoom.

At least it runs FFXIV beautifully in lower settings. It'll run at high, but you'll get alot of choppiness. This is without AO and DoF.

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I've had two JH's, and neither have given me a GSOD issue. I've had two because the first had a bad dimm slot and I'm returning it for that reason... so take what you will from that. The second one I just received today. It has been running FFXIV for several hours with no issue, doesn't have a bad dimm slot, and also doesn't seem to have a problem I didn't notice you mention in your post as I skimmed it: keyboard lag.

Keyboard lag plagued me on the first laptop. It would either lag on input or just plain miss characters. That doesn't seem to be an issue on the new one, and is pretty much noticeable right away if it's going to be a problem. It's also not a software thing, as I swapped hard drives between the two laptops so I wouldn't have to reload everything.

I should note that model wise, the two jh's I've had are different. My first one was the 1.6Ghz model (A1). I replaced it with the 1.73 (B1).
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between the laptops i would go with the JH, GPU plays a big big part in running this game, and just get a warranty incase problems happen?

although both of the laptops seems to be a bit lacking in cpu power to run the game anywhere past low settings, unless you play the game a lot on the go (at work or something) ever thought about getting a pc for gaming and laptop/netbook for office use? because with the price you are paying for it you can build a good quality pc plus a decently good laptop that can handle anything besides the intensive gaming apps

i mean just a suggestion since i have no clue on your rational behind getting laptop
#6 Oct 25 2010 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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JH Seems good

I have a Dell Studio XPS 16 with an i7 quad and I don't feel its CPU bound at all. The GPU makes the biggest difference at that point so I say go with whatever one is best in that area.

Mine only has an ATI 5730 but I can play on high, windowed, @ 1920x1080 without too much issue. However I only usually craft and do mundane things on my laptop and play more regularly on my 6-core desktop which can handle everything nicely.

Depends on your needs.
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Looks like you've done your homework OP, kudos ^^

I own a G73JH-A1 and you should to. Buy it and don't look back. You can't beat the price for that kind of portable gaming power.

Prior to purchasing, I did my homework and had the exact same concerns you did (major ones being overheating issues and GPU driver issues). I bit the bullet anyway and purchased the JH as I was confident I had enough technical acumen to figure out the quirks (reapplying thermal paste, BIOS edits, driver signing, etc.)

When I first got the laptop, it couldn't even run the benchmark. I grappled with the BIOS and driver signing to no avail (I apparently over estimated my technical abilities ><) I was terrified that I had just wasted all this $$$ on a laptop that couldn't run XIV. Then I got FFXIV CE at release, and the game clips along nicely in 1080p and looks amazing.

That being said, I still get the occasional crash to desktop / BSOD (i think it's happened twice since I've had it). I've also had one instance in which I think the laptop overheated and shut itself down (but I was playing in bed and I think I suffocated the JH with a blanket). Personally, I can live with the kind of imperfect performance; I'm just thrilled that there is an affordable gaming laptop out there that can run XIV right out of the box.


Edited, Oct 25th 2010 2:38pm by DonFlamenco
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Just in case you want to throw 15"s into the mix, I would like to think a Gaming laptop geared toward 3D gaming would handle XIV respectably. I've never owned an PC or Laptop before, if their customer service for those products is anything like it is for their Motherboards and Graphics cards... well I just wouldn't purchase an extended warranty. I've personally never had one of their products fail on me, though the majority of the internet seems to suggest I'm just lucky.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2010/10/25/asus-rog-g53/1

*EDIT* Doh, missed the part about XI... I did read some where there is a fix... I wish I could recall what site. It was either on EVGA forums or on the Nvidia SLIzone forums I think.

Edited, Oct 25th 2010 6:51pm by PerrinofSylph
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#9 Oct 25 2010 at 2:00 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm happy with my G73JH (link is in my sig). If you wait it out you can get upwards of $200 off, it'll cycle through -$100, -$150, and -$200 off the price tag on newegg. With the vBIOS update I have never gotten a GSOD since. Very happy with it overall. If you're looking to get a SSD, you'll end up wasting the 2nd hard drive of the JW anyway, fyi. After adding an Intel x-25M 160 GB SSD my windows experience score jumped up to a 7.0. Have no trouble playing games like Metro 2033 on high settings at 1920x1080. Just recently played Medal of Honor at 1080p at the highest settings at a minimum of 30 fps, often reaching 50-60 in all but the most intense situations.



Edited, Oct 25th 2010 3:03pm by bsphil
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#10 Oct 25 2010 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Get a G51JX-A1, never had any prob with it, i run FFXIV ON HIgh setting with no issue at all, except in very crowed area, npc and player takes a lil few sec to show. I even think theres is a newer version of this laptop
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Sycko wrote:
Get a G51JX-A1, never had any prob with it, i run FFXIV ON HIgh setting with no issue at all, except in very crowed area, npc and player takes a lil few sec to show. I even think theres is a newer version of this laptop
I had looked at that laptop as well, but the two issues I had with it were that the 15.6" screen is awfully small for a 1080p native resolution, and the cooling compared to the G37J.
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#12 Oct 25 2010 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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It all depend on what you need, i wanted a laptop that is easy to transport and not too big cause im always on the
Move i look at the 17 inch version and it was no thx, i prefer the 15, inch, was perfect for me. For the cooling well, its not that. Bad, when playing FF14 fan goes a full speed 3-4 times an hour an gpu temp never go hoher than 80 degrees, seems high for some but the gpu is kinda resistant to temp and dont really have an impact on composant around it but i would recomend a laptop cooler for it anyway but anyway its best to use one for a gaming laptop. For the 1080p on the 15 inch, nah not too small of a screen. But thats my oponion. Your opinion comes from guy who test a hundred laptop per year and review them. mines from a gamer who actually use it alot on kinda lot of game. For sure if u have prob to read from close it can be small. But this laptop seemed good for me, i bought it now its perfect for me and im not disapointed.

Edited, Oct 25th 2010 4:42pm by Sycko
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I bought a JH shortly before the XIV Open Beta. I had to update the video drivers just to get the benchmark to run. Some time after the official launch I started getting those BSOD/GSOD crashes. I ended up having to get some GPU clock manual overriding app that I set every time i boot up. I hear there's supposed to be a vbios that you can flash to fix that problem, but I haven't seen it put up on Asus' website yet (last time I checked, anyway) and I'm a bit leery of doing it at all since I've heard that if something goes wrong it'll brick the laptop. I've been hoping a new Catalyst driver update would fix the problem soon.
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I "had" the JH for 13 days. it's what I conceder "barely" enough to play FFXIV and ended up returning it (hence 13 days).
However, many people have different standards when it comes to PC gaming. I for one will not tolarate anything less than 30FPS. I see the choppiness and it really hurts my game play experience. The JH performs above 30FPS everywhere I've been expect for town. The experience in town is playable, but i just could not stand it.
Again, everyone has their own standards when it comes to this. we have ppl on this forum "bragging" about the $250 PC they built and it plays FFXIV, ya, plays at 10FPS but they are happy with that.
Personally, I wouldn't go for a notebook with < GTX 470M.

PS: i had the GSOD issue, the vBIOS flash fixes it fine. Its rather simple to preform; i'd use the USB stick method.

Edited, Oct 25th 2010 5:50pm by sideways
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PerrinofSylph wrote:
Just in case you want to throw 15"s into the mix, I would like to think a Gaming laptop geared toward 3D gaming would handle XIV respectably. I've never owned an PC or Laptop before, if their customer service for those products is anything like it is for their Motherboards and Graphics cards... well I just wouldn't purchase an extended warranty. I've personally never had one of their products fail on me, though the majority of the internet seems to suggest I'm just lucky.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2010/10/25/asus-rog-g53/1

*EDIT* Doh, missed the part about XI... I did read some where there is a fix... I wish I could recall what site. It was either on EVGA forums or on the Nvidia SLIzone forums I think.



I'd go for this 15" first, with the GTX470M
http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=category_browse&selected_cat=special&mid=NP8690
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First...I apologize for this...but I entirely expected to find Gil-selling links embedded within your post once I started reading it. Smiley: sly

Anywho, go with the JH. It's more powerful and ATI issues are becoming less and less common (if even present at all after Catalyst 10.x). I personally have two machines running 5770's and haven't had any GSOD issues whatsoever, even while in Beta when ATI drivers were being pitchforked. Smiley: wink


I was worried about peppering all the links throughout the post! :P But I just did a lot of research on it, so I wanted to be thorough and show my sources. :D

That's good to know that it is actually more powerful. I was reading up on it, and it seems like it does outperform the 460m slightly. I suppose every little bit counts when running FFXIV!

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I have the G73JH-A1, and I really hate it. I had to send the first one back the day I received it because of the speaker issue that I couldn't fix at all. And I had to flash my Video Card's BIOs days after I started playing FFXIV because I'd get the BSOD. Also there is an annoying bug with the track pad where it'll stop working, or make webpages zoom in and out as if your pinching to zoom.

At least it runs FFXIV beautifully in lower settings. It'll run at high, but you'll get alot of choppiness. This is without AO and DoF.


I was reading in some of the feedback on Newegg that there was a track pad problem sometimes. Some people said they tried updating the drivers or just disabled it altogether. I don't think I would notice it as much during gaming, but do you think this would be a big problem just for surfing the web on it?

Is the choppiness really that bad at higher settings? I was reading where some people said it ran very smoothly at 1920 x 1080 resolution, 2x or 4x MSAA, buffer size set at resolution, and shadow detail/texture quality/texture filtering on highest. So that's definitely worrisome if you had a different experience. I guess I wouldn't really have AO or DoF on, since I've read that they pretty much bog down even the best systems and don't really make a huge difference graphics-wise anyway.

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I've had two JH's, and neither have given me a GSOD issue. I've had two because the first had a bad dimm slot and I'm returning it for that reason... so take what you will from that. The second one I just received today. It has been running FFXIV for several hours with no issue, doesn't have a bad dimm slot, and also doesn't seem to have a problem I didn't notice you mention in your post as I skimmed it: keyboard lag.

Keyboard lag plagued me on the first laptop. It would either lag on input or just plain miss characters. That doesn't seem to be an issue on the new one, and is pretty much noticeable right away if it's going to be a problem. It's also not a software thing, as I swapped hard drives between the two laptops so I wouldn't have to reload everything.

I should note that model wise, the two jh's I've had are different. My first one was the 1.6Ghz model (A1). I replaced it with the 1.73 (B1).


I noticed that the keyboard log problem did seem to pop up in some of the feedback on Newegg for the X1 model. It was mentioned that sometimes the keys didn't register when you typed too fast or something. But then some people didn't mention it at all, so maybe it varies from system to system.

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between the laptops i would go with the JH, GPU plays a big big part in running this game, and just get a warranty incase problems happen?

although both of the laptops seems to be a bit lacking in cpu power to run the game anywhere past low settings, unless you play the game a lot on the go (at work or something) ever thought about getting a pc for gaming and laptop/netbook for office use? because with the price you are paying for it you can build a good quality pc plus a decently good laptop that can handle anything besides the intensive gaming apps

i mean just a suggestion since i have no clue on your rational behind getting laptop


I'm hoping to be able to run FFXIV on at least medium settings without too much choppiness or low FPS. I did think about getting an actual gaming desktop, but, as weird as it sounds, I don't really have a lot of room right now to put it anywhere! :( Plus, I would like to be able to just sit on the couch or in bed with a laptop and play FFXIV.

I am worried about blocking any fans on the bottom of the laptop if I put it in my lap or on top of a pillow. I was thinking about getting some sort of lap desk and actual laptop cooler to put it on if that would keep the laptop from suffocating in my lap and prevent any overheating.

Also, this is another sort of weird reason I guess, but I would like to use my brother's FFXIV account whenever he's not playing to mooch off of some of his mule's anima for teles for my character on my own account. :P That way, I can put the laptop next to my older desktop that plays FFXIV pretty decently at lower settings and use his char to tele on the desktop while I play my character on the new laptop.

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JH Seems good

I have a Dell Studio XPS 16 with an i7 quad and I don't feel its CPU bound at all. The GPU makes the biggest difference at that point so I say go with whatever one is best in that area.

Mine only has an ATI 5730 but I can play on high, windowed, @ 1920x1080 without too much issue. However I only usually craft and do mundane things on my laptop and play more regularly on my 6-core desktop which can handle everything nicely.

Depends on your needs.


That's great to hear that the 5730 runs FFXIV at 1920 x 1080 high! I hope that means the 5870 can run it smoothly as well.

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Looks like you've done your homework OP, kudos ^^

I own a G73JH-A1 and you should to. Buy it and don't look back. You can't beat the price for that kind of portable gaming power.

Prior to purchasing, I did my homework and had the exact same concerns you did (major ones being overheating issues and GPU driver issues). I bit the bullet anyway and purchased the JH as I was confident I had enough technical acumen to figure out the quirks (reapplying thermal paste, BIOS edits, driver signing, etc.)

When I first got the laptop, it couldn't even run the benchmark. I grappled with the BIOS and driver signing to no avail (I apparently over estimated my technical abilities ><) I was terrified that I had just wasted all this $$$ on a laptop that couldn't run XIV. Then I got FFXIV CE at release, and the game clips along nicely in 1080p and looks amazing.

That being said, I still get the occasional crash to desktop / BSOD (i think it's happened twice since I've had it). I've also had one instance in which I think the laptop overheated and shut itself down (but I was playing in bed and I think I suffocated the JH with a blanket). Personally, I can live with the kind of imperfect performance; I'm just thrilled that there is an affordable gaming laptop out there that can run XIV right out of the box.


Edited, Oct 25th 2010 2:38pm by DonFlamenco


I have tried to research everything as much as possible! :D I definitely am concerned about overheating, since I would like to put it in my lap every now and then to play FFXIV. Would that block any fans and cause problems? I would definitely be interested in getting a laptop cooler if that would help any during long sessions of FFXIV. That is one of the pros of the JW, it seems to run a little cooler than the JH.

I've been looking over how to flash the BIOS, and I have done it once before on my other computer, so I hope I can pull it off. I was worried because some people were saying they were still having major problems even after applying the fix, but that's a relief to hear that you only have an occasional crash compared to FFXIV being basically unplayable like I was reading.

As far as the driver issues go, did you have any problems updating with the official Catalyst drivers from AMD? I did read some people were only able to use the older drivers from Asus, and that this is a known problem with Asus computers.

PerrinofSylph wrote:
Just in case you want to throw 15"s into the mix, I would like to think a Gaming laptop geared toward 3D gaming would handle XIV respectably. I've never owned an PC or Laptop before, if their customer service for those products is anything like it is for their Motherboards and Graphics cards... well I just wouldn't purchase an extended warranty. I've personally never had one of their products fail on me, though the majority of the internet seems to suggest I'm just lucky.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2010/10/25/asus-rog-g53/1

*EDIT* Doh, missed the part about XI... I did read some where there is a fix... I wish I could recall what site. It was either on EVGA forums or on the Nvidia SLIzone forums I think.

Edited, Oct 25th 2010 6:51pm by PerrinofSylph


That would be great if there was actually a fix to make FFXI run like it should on Nvidia cards. I just keep hearing how people are constantly experiencing very low FPS even with the supposed updates from Nvidia. It would be nice to have the JW which runs cooler and has the mouse button split into 2 instead of 1 bar like the JH, but I want to be able to play FFXI and FFXIV on the same laptop. :D I'll try to do some more digging and see if I can find anything about the fix.

bsphil wrote:
I'm happy with my G73JH (link is in my sig). If you wait it out you can get upwards of $200 off, it'll cycle through -$100, -$150, and -$200 off the price tag on newegg. With the vBIOS update I have never gotten a GSOD since. Very happy with it overall. If you're looking to get a SSD, you'll end up wasting the 2nd hard drive of the JW anyway, fyi. After adding an Intel x-25M 160 GB SSD my windows experience score jumped up to a 7.0. Have no trouble playing games like Metro 2033 on high settings at 1920x1080. Just recently played Medal of Honor at 1080p at the highest settings at a minimum of 30 fps, often reaching 50-60 in all but the most intense situations.



Edited, Oct 25th 2010 3:03pm by bsphil


Your earlier posts were actually the ones that inspired me to research the G73JH. :) Are you still able to run FFXIV smoothly on it at high settings? I'm glad you haven't had any problems after the vBIOS update, since I was worried it might be a recurring problem as some people mentioned. Did you have any problems updating the Catalyst drivers using the ones from the AMD site? Also, I was thinking 80GB might be adequate size for an SSD for me, since I would probably only have the OS, FFXI, FFXIV, and maybe Firefox and Office on it. Do you think that would be big enough for my situation?

Sycko wrote:
Get a G51JX-A1, never had any prob with it, i run FFXIV ON HIgh setting with no issue at all, except in very crowed area, npc and player takes a lil few sec to show. I even think theres is a newer version of this laptop


bsphil wrote:
I had looked at that laptop as well, but the two issues I had with it were that the 15.6" screen is awfully small for a 1080p native resolution, and the cooling compared to the G37J.


Sycko wrote:
It all depend on what you need, i wanted a laptop that is easy to transport and not too big cause im always on the
Move i look at the 17 inch version and it was no thx, i prefer the 15, inch, was perfect for me. For the cooling well, its not that. Bad, when playing FF14 fan goes a full speed 3-4 times an hour an gpu temp never go hoher than 80 degrees, seems high for some but the gpu is kinda resistant to temp and dont really have an impact on composant around it but i would recomend a laptop cooler for it anyway but anyway its best to use one for a gaming laptop. For the 1080p on the 15 inch, nah not too small of a screen. But thats my oponion. Your opinion comes from guy who test a hundred laptop per year and review them. mines from a gamer who actually use it alot on kinda lot of game. For sure if u have prob to read from close it can be small. But this laptop seemed good for me, i bought it now its perfect for me and im not disapointed.

Edited, Oct 25th 2010 4:42pm by Sycko


I think I would like to try a 17 inch this time around, since I've only used a 15 inch until now, but that's just me! :) I could see how 17 would probably be pretty huge if you're carrying it around a lot, but I would mostly keep mine at home.

I was reading that it's pretty normal to have GPU temperatures around 80C, so I'm hoping it's able to stay around that range even after long gaming periods. I probably will end up getting a laptop cooler, because I definitely don't want to encounter any overheating problems. I just hope I have find one that will fit comfortably in my lap without blocking any fans.

Carthoris wrote:
I bought a JH shortly before the XIV Open Beta. I had to update the video drivers just to get the benchmark to run. Some time after the official launch I started getting those BSOD/GSOD crashes. I ended up having to get some GPU clock manual overriding app that I set every time i boot up. I hear there's supposed to be a vbios that you can flash to fix that problem, but I haven't seen it put up on Asus' website yet (last time I checked, anyway) and I'm a bit leery of doing it at all since I've heard that if something goes wrong it'll brick the laptop. I've been hoping a new Catalyst driver update would fix the problem soon.


I don't know if you've seen it before, but there's a great guide for a lot of the JH problems, including the GSOD vBIOS update fix, here: http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/9977-asus-g73jh-notebook-ffxiv-guide/

I think that mentions the GPU app you were talking about as a temporary method, so maybe you've already read through all that anyway. :)

That links to the actual vBIOS update topic: http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/515309-how-fix-your-gsod-blues.html

It doesn't look too bad, but I think you need a bootable USB drive in order to flash the vBIOS. I'm pretty sure the above topic includes a tool that does that for you. I think it works best with BIOS 0211, so you might have to flash that first using the tool on the Asus site. I found the flash utility and the actual BIOS 0211 update for the G73JH at the support.asus.com site.

Sideways wrote:
I "had" the JH for 13 days. it's what I conceder "barely" enough to play FFXIV and ended up returning it (hence 13 days).
However, many people have different standards when it comes to PC gaming. I for one will not tolarate anything less than 30FPS. I see the choppiness and it really hurts my game play experience. The JH performs above 30FPS everywhere I've been expect for town. The experience in town is playable, but i just could not stand it.
Again, everyone has their own standards when it comes to this. we have ppl on this forum "bragging" about the $250 PC they built and it plays FFXIV, ya, plays at 10FPS but they are happy with that.
Personally, I wouldn't go for a notebook with < GTX 470M.

PS: i had the GSOD issue, the vBIOS flash fixes it fine. Its rather simple to preform; i'd use the USB stick method.

Edited, Oct 25th 2010 5:50pm by sideways

I'd go for this 15" first, with the GTX470M
http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=category_browse&selected_cat=special&mid=NP8690


I have read that a lot of people experience dips in FPS when in town or around an aetheryte, but some people said that's because of all the other characters on screen at the moment, and that it's server related or just an FFXIV problem. Is that the case? That's just what I've been reading anyway. :) I didn't know if there are people out there who experience high FPS even around towns/aetheryte, or if it's even possible at this stage of the game's optimization. Maybe it's those monster systems. :D I think 30 FPS would be fine by my standards, as I'm so used to it being the cap in FFXI, and I would pretty much expect lower FPS in town with all the other characters running around.

For the 470 and above, I saw where you can customize laptops like that from Sager and such, but do those suffer any major heating problems from long gaming periods? I even saw where you got get dual 480m! That seems like it would produce a lot of heat on a laptop. But then again I don't know very much at all about all the intricacies of computer building and the various components!

Would the 470m show a marked increase in performance over the 460m? Well, I guess it wouldn't matter in my case anyway, since I would like to be able to play FFXI too, and the 400 series apparently has problems running FFXI. :(

Thanks again for all the replies. :)
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Maybe it's just me, I run the game with no AA at 1920x1080 with textures on high and shadows on high. But when I use any AA I'll notice a difference in the choppiness and I can't stand it, so I always put it back to 0 AA ; ;

The track pad issue really gets in the way of the web experience, I heard about the driver issue, but I haven't gotten around to reinstalling them, maybe I'll get on that...

The laptop isn't bad, just be prepared for RMA or other issues that you'll have to deal with.

I bought mine from xoticpc as well, and they're very good with customer service. If you do need to RMA just remember you need to do it 14 days from the day they ship it to you, I got screwed with this laptop because I waited 15 days....

I should mention that you can return the laptop to xotic and receive a completely new one in case you get a dud.

For the price, you will be getting an amazing gaming laptop, it's just the amount of issues people have with it is insane.

Edited, Oct 25th 2010 9:08pm by Zeyger
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