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#1 Oct 25 2010 at 11:01 PM Rating: Good
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Ok, so heres a good question.

WHY is it that battle and fieldcraft get to see the reward they will get, in guildmarks, before they even take the leve, yet Crafters have to get lucky and get a random drop of guild makrs after they complete it?

Right now, it is very easy for non crafters to get all their abilities. See a leve that gives marks, pump it up with bonus's and quadruple the guild mark reward, get tens of thousands per week.
Become a crafter, get 500-1000 per week TOPS if you are lucky.....


I am a crafter, and I support the fact that we need to see the reward beforehand in guild marks, or be given them for EVERY high level leve and not just see them drop randomly.
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#2 Oct 25 2010 at 11:11 PM Rating: Good
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I made a thread in the feedback forum about this. Please support it. I agree 100%
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#3 Oct 25 2010 at 11:12 PM Rating: Good
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http://www.zam.com/forum.html?forum=173&mid=1287600235197765305&page=1
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#4 Oct 25 2010 at 11:33 PM Rating: Good
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Every time I turn in a rank 20+ leve and don't get guild marks I want to bash the NPC's face in with my fist. I have gotten about 16,000 pugilist marks, and only 4000 leathercraft marks. Half of those leathercraft marks were from the r20 quest. And yes, I have done EVERY 20+ leather leave I have been given on EVERY reset between all 3 cities. I've also started leveling other crafts due to the stupidity of being given rank 1 and 5 leves for my rank 22 leathercraft class over and over. Sorry but I'm not going to make those 12 sheep leathers and gain maybe 50sp total, spending 20 minutes or more making it and turning it in to receive some crap reward.
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#5 Oct 25 2010 at 11:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Sefi wrote:
Every time I turn in a rank 20+ leve and don't get guild marks I want to bash the NPC's face in with my fist. I have gotten about 16,000 pugilist marks, and only 4000 leathercraft marks. Half of those leathercraft marks were from the r20 quest. And yes, I have done EVERY 20+ leather leave I have been given on EVERY reset between all 3 cities. I've also started leveling other crafts due to the stupidity of being given rank 1 and 5 leves for my rank 22 leathercraft class over and over. Sorry but I'm not going to make those 12 sheep leathers and gain maybe 50sp total, spending 20 minutes or more making it and turning it in to receive some crap reward.


yes.
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#6 Oct 25 2010 at 11:38 PM Rating: Decent
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You are lucky Sefi
I have gone over a week, not a single extra guild mark beyond the 2000 i got from the quest at 20.
And to top it off, only Uldah gives me level 20+ quests anyway so I cant get more if I wanted to try and get them.(i am currently 29 and this still holds true)
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#7 Oct 26 2010 at 12:02 AM Rating: Good
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I had to rely on the r30 weaver quest to finally get my 1st training book the other day. It gives 3k marks. Weaver & Alchemy were my first 20+ classes and they've been 20+ for quite a while. Received marks twice for weaver on local leves and once on alchemy in all that time.

Like I mentioned in a similar thread on the weaver forums, I wish it just showed guildmarks for the leves when choosing them like battle/field leves. Save me the trouble of going to 9 Ivies, Bluefog & Broken Water just to be denied marks.

Edited, Oct 26th 2010 2:03am by TwistedOwl
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TwistedOwl wrote:
I had to rely on the r30 weaver quest to finally get my 1st training book the other day. It gives 3k marks. Weaver & Alchemy were my first 20+ classes and they've been 20+ for quite a while. Received marks twice for weaver on local leves and once on alchemy in all that time.

Like I mentioned in a similar thread on the weaver forums, I wish it just showed guildmarks for the leves when choosing them like battle/field leves. Save me the trouble of going to 9 Ivies, Bluefog & Broken Water just to be denied marks.

Edited, Oct 26th 2010 2:03am by TwistedOwl


I agree. I hope SE fix this as it's a real pain.

Edited, Oct 26th 2010 8:09am by Mince
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#9 Oct 26 2010 at 6:14 AM Rating: Default
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If things were easy, everyone would be rank 50 and at cap already. What fun would that be?

Sorry if this offends, but I read a bunch of whiners wanting to take the randomness out of the game.. it doesn't make it 'hard' - but hey! you have to work for something!

I'd rather see them take the DoW guild marks out of the leve quest instructions.
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#10 Oct 26 2010 at 7:06 AM Rating: Good
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RisonSrithuram wrote:
If things were easy, everyone would be rank 50 and at cap already. What fun would that be?

Sorry if this offends, but I read a bunch of whiners wanting to take the randomness out of the game.. it doesn't make it 'hard' - but hey! you have to work for something!

I'd rather see them take the DoW guild marks out of the leve quest instructions.


I'm sorry, but I don't understand how adding the available guild marks to the description of the guildleves is going to make thigs so easy that 'everyone would be rank 50 and at cap already'. Please think a little more about what you're posting before you post it.

I'm sure the OP didn't intend for this to turn into an 'it's too difficult' thread. I'm certainly not saying I would want hundreds of marks per guildleve. In my mind, the point of the thread is to give players an idea of how many points they can expect, whether this is 0 or 100, for example.



Edited, Oct 26th 2010 9:08am by Mince
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#11 Oct 26 2010 at 7:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I agree that some balancing needs to happen between battle/field and crafting leves. Ive almost decided to just do crafting until my physical level is 50, with crafting leves you get 1500 to 2000 exp points per craft. Do they play their own game?

























rhetorical question..
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#12 Oct 26 2010 at 7:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Mince wrote:
I'm sorry, but I don't understand how adding the available guild marks to the description of the guildleves is going to make thigs so easy that 'everyone would be rank 50 and at cap already'. Please think a little more about what you're posting before you post it.

I actually think about everything before I post - I put a lot of thought into what I express on forums.
If people see guild marks on the description of the leve, they tend to stack that single leve - thus increasing the reward. This is how the DoW are stacking the leves, and many 30+ have most of their abilities already.
So I say again, I would rather not see the points on the leve quest - which would make it harder for DoW to get their points, and keep it on equal playing ground with DoH. It just makes it too easy.
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#13 Oct 26 2010 at 8:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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RisonSrithuram wrote:
Mince wrote:
I'm sorry, but I don't understand how adding the available guild marks to the description of the guildleves is going to make thigs so easy that 'everyone would be rank 50 and at cap already'. Please think a little more about what you're posting before you post it.

I actually think about everything before I post - I put a lot of thought into what I express on forums.
If people see guild marks on the description of the leve, they tend to stack that single leve - thus increasing the reward. This is how the DoW are stacking the leves, and many 30+ have most of their abilities already.
So I say again, I would rather not see the points on the leve quest - which would make it harder for DoW to get their points, and keep it on equal playing ground with DoH. It just makes it too easy.


I think the point made is this

crafters CAN NOT stack their leves, at all, period
it works differently for us
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#14 Oct 26 2010 at 8:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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I completely agree the leve reward should be shown upfront so people leveling DoH jobs are aware if a leve will give guild marks or not. This is not the only factor causing DoH jobs to get much less marks then DoW/DoM or DoL.

I feel it's stupid that SE gives DoW/DoM and DoL jobs leves listed under specific ranks while DoH leves could range from rank 1 and up. I can't tell you how many times I have waited for a leve reset for my level 25 Arm only to find that most leves are offered are rank 15 or under. This is even worse when I am staring at 2-3 rank 1 leves offered in every city while I am lucky to get 2-3 rank 20+ leves from all cities combined.

So why should a DoH have to hope and pray that both a leve of their rank will be offered and then hope and pray again that those leves will reward guild points when a DoL or DoW/DoM are guarenteed leves at certain levels and know upfront the rewards?
#15 Oct 26 2010 at 9:21 AM Rating: Good
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EklmForever wrote:
I completely agree the leve reward should be shown upfront so people leveling DoH jobs are aware if a leve will give guild marks or not. This is not the only factor causing DoH jobs to get much less marks then DoW/DoM or DoL.

I feel it's stupid that SE gives DoW/DoM and DoL jobs leves listed under specific ranks while DoH leves could range from rank 1 and up. I can't tell you how many times I have waited for a leve reset for my level 25 Arm only to find that most leves are offered are rank 15 or under. This is even worse when I am staring at 2-3 rank 1 leves offered in every city while I am lucky to get 2-3 rank 20+ leves from all cities combined.

So why should a DoH have to hope and pray that both a leve of their rank will be offered and then hope and pray again that those leves will reward guild points when a DoL or DoW/DoM are guarenteed leves at certain levels and know upfront the rewards?


THIS.

Also on my DoM there was at least 1 leve that gave marks every reset from R13 on. Because of the ability to party as DoW/DoM I started earning marks WAY before I could even use them... As a DoH I -need- that training and don't really have a hope in **** of getting it any time soon evenm though I am above level.
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#16 Oct 26 2010 at 2:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Today there were 0 alchemy leves 20+ available to me, in ANY city...WTF
i can do 20s 25s and 30s!
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#17 Oct 26 2010 at 2:43 PM Rating: Good
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Vedis wrote:
Today there were 0 alchemy leves 20+ available to me, in ANY city...WTF
i can do 20s 25s and 30s!


welcome to my world.
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#18 Oct 26 2010 at 3:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Working as intended.
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#19 Oct 26 2010 at 5:04 PM Rating: Default
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Working as intended.


translation: i dont craft
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#20 Oct 26 2010 at 5:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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As I posted in another thread, I have one crafting class and one combat class both around rank 25. The combat class has purchased three abilities/traits and still has some 20k marks left over while the crafting class still doesn't have enough to purchase one training manual. And I probably do a better job of riding the timer with the local leves than the battle ones.

EklmForever wrote:
I completely agree the leve reward should be shown upfront so people leveling DoH jobs are aware if a leve will give guild marks or not. This is not the only factor causing DoH jobs to get much less marks then DoW/DoM or DoL.

I feel it's stupid that SE gives DoW/DoM and DoL jobs leves listed under specific ranks while DoH leves could range from rank 1 and up. I can't tell you how many times I have waited for a leve reset for my level 25 Arm only to find that most leves are offered are rank 15 or under. This is even worse when I am staring at 2-3 rank 1 leves offered in every city while I am lucky to get 2-3 rank 20+ leves from all cities combined.

So why should a DoH have to hope and pray that both a leve of their rank will be offered and then hope and pray again that those leves will reward guild points when a DoL or DoW/DoM are guarenteed leves at certain levels and know upfront the rewards?
I believe part of why they don't show the mark rewards is that they're based on your appraisal rating. It would definitely be nice if they had a base amount though, rather than so often giving 0 and not knowing that's what you'll get.

The even-more-random aspect of the crafting leves is one of my biggest problems right now though. Today I logged in to find 7/8 leves for my main craft were rank 10 and under. Only one that will give decent skill and maybe marks but probably not. This is probably the thing I would currently like adjusted the most regarding crafting; if we could just grab 3-6 leves from each city that are guaranteed every reset to be for our own rank like combat classes can it would be a huge boost to skill gains and guild marks even if the mark rewards are still random and not shown.
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