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#52 Oct 27 2010 at 12:21 AM Rating: Good
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When you walk into a forest are you likely to only find cute rabbits and harmless birds or is there a chance you might come across a bear? We all scream for "realism" in our video games until it inconveniences us ever so slightly.


And how many of those rabbits you walk into in your average forest are LV 40 bloodsucking beasts?
#53 Oct 27 2010 at 12:27 AM Rating: Decent
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When you walk into a forest are you likely to only find cute rabbits and harmless birds or is there a chance you might come across a bear? We all scream for "realism" in our video games until it inconveniences us ever so slightly.


And how many of those rabbits you walk into in your average forest are LV 40 bloodsucking beasts?



ooo thank you for that laugh haha. That made my night.
#54 Oct 27 2010 at 12:31 AM Rating: Default
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Not entirely sure why the people who hated the game in beta then proceeded to buy the game, and then continue to post about how it's so terrible and everyone should stop playing on a fan site dedicated to the game, but I guess you're all free to waste your own time and money as you see fit.


After so many posts in so many threads, the best I have come up with is just that people will complain because they can. It gives them something to do, to talk about, to feel important about, whatever.

It doesn't take a lot of sense to realize that SE is a business, and no matter what people say, they just want to make money. It's pretty hard to do that with everyone disliking your game. If your goal is to get as much money as possible, you will do... what? Right, address the problems people are having the most issues with. That is what is going to happen over the coming months, the game will slowly shape into something that's stable, and enjoyable for a lot of people out there.

Some simply won't have the patience for that, and are ****** off NOW because they spent money on the game and expected something different. They want the solutions now, not later. Apparently not content to simply can their subscription and check it out in half a year when it's had time to simmer and fill in a bit more, they would rather cause as much fuss as they can right now and make sure everyone knows how unhappy they are.
The changes should have been made before release, and stuff, and so the game should die, etc. SE is determined to make no money, they're just in it to make people squirm.
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#55 Oct 27 2010 at 1:41 AM Rating: Decent
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AtriusAran wrote:
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When you walk into a forest are you likely to only find cute rabbits and harmless birds or is there a chance you might come across a bear? We all scream for "realism" in our video games until it inconveniences us ever so slightly.


Are you seriously comparing fantasy and real life? This is a game. This is a fantasy game. You aren't going to slay dragons in your local woods and you aren't going to shoot fireballs from your palms. If you want realistic games, go play the Sims.

I like the difficulty of the FF11 and it was thrilling. And I'm not even complaining about the random high level mob placements in FF14 because I think it's funny. I just think people need to just stop with the "Real life vs fantasy" train of thought.

And yes we can jump in real life. FF14 doesn't strive to be realistic.


well to me the game seems to try to be to realistic in some areas, and not enough in others. was running slower because your shoes need repair really neccesary? if anything, the repair system should just be a small way to take gil out of the system. cheap and doesnt break fast. like diablo 2.

i like the world that they made, because it is really cool. it's just the blend of ideas don't mesh well i find.
#56 Oct 27 2010 at 2:53 AM Rating: Good
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Not entirely sure why the people who hated the game in beta then proceeded to buy the game, and then continue to post about how it's so terrible and everyone should stop playing on a fan site dedicated to the game, but I guess you're all free to waste your own time and money as you see fit.

The mass of fanboys had everyone convinced that as such an established developer, SE wouldn't dream of releasing the beta. Apparently they felt that the only purpose it served was to stress test the servers. I sat there for weeks laughing my *** off as they guaranteed everyone that SE had a squad of in-house testers working on a version of the game that was miles ahead of the crap we tested.

Sometimes I wish I had saved the posts that were on the alpha forums so I could /point and /laugh at all the people who made apology after apology for each and every misplaced step along the way. So sad.


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#57 Oct 27 2010 at 3:11 AM Rating: Good
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Well we all know what he saying is true. But we also know that there will be changes. Atm this game really is very very bad. Too bad no one will make reviews after the first few real version updates. So i guess SE f...ed up there.
#58 Oct 27 2010 at 3:39 AM Rating: Good
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The point of the antlings is to add a sense of danger to the game. Maybe it's just me, but I've always felt a little danger really adds to the adventure.

What do you expect from SE? An easy game? No thanks!


A sense of danger is a mob(mixed in with exp mobs) that can probably kill you, but you can take it out if your grouped up with some fellow adventurers your level. A mob(mixed in with exp mobs) that hits you for 4x your max hp is lulz fodder and a poor design decision.

I'm starting to wonder why you waste your time coming to SE's defense all the time. Clearly you should be spending the time playing the game since, to you, it's the best thing since breathable air.
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#59 Oct 27 2010 at 3:39 AM Rating: Good
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Well we all know what he saying is true. But we also know that there will be changes. Atm this game really is very very bad. Too bad no one will make reviews after the first few real version updates. So i guess SE f...ed up there.


They asked for a month and they didn't get it, but have you noticed any major changes or fixes since you started playing? Do you think that if a reviewer had waited til next week to review the game that the score would be a 9/10? Would the score even be respectable? I'm thinking at best if they released this game next Tuesday instead of when they did it might have climbed up to a 5.
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#60 Oct 27 2010 at 4:30 AM Rating: Decent
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They asked for a month and they didn't get it, but have you noticed any major changes or fixes since you started playing? Do you think that if a reviewer had waited til next week to review the game that the score would be a 9/10? Would the score even be respectable? I'm thinking at best if they released this game next Tuesday instead of when they did it might have climbed up to a 5.


This is the sad thing, the game was released in a horrible state and given that a few months is long time to leave a game this bad at the start it's amazing they have done so little. I really can't imagine what they are thinking, patches should of started raining down asap but nothing.

Guess they are just too busy on the ps3 version.
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#61 Oct 27 2010 at 5:18 AM Rating: Default
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I don't know what's more sad, that someone wasted their time making this review or people actually defending a game that can't be defended. It's easy to be biased when you've got NOTHING else to play.
#62 Oct 27 2010 at 6:49 AM Rating: Good
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I don't know what's more sad, that someone wasted their time making this review or people actually defending a game that can't be defended. It's easy to be biased when you've got NOTHING else to play.


That's part of the problem though. If you like a game for whatever reason you don't need to defend it. If you like it and someone hates it who cares... i personally don't. Justification of it just brings more arguement. Basically we need people to say "Yes i like the game and no it doesn't matter if i tell you or not why because clearly you already hate it".

We usually never change anyones mind defending a game... just brings more argument.

But on topic i laughed at his review hardcore. He is incredibly harsh on some things, as people said fighting the dodo was just dumb, we don't just autoattack in any other game. However he was right on a lot of things like the incredibly screwed up ledges, which will NEVER be fixed no matter how much complaining we do and all the other time sinks like the incredible amount of menu work. I think we've come further than constantly opening the menu even though it's clear exactly what we are doing. Uncharted series is a great example of intelligent recognition. Also one thing i agreed that was dumb is the pausing when taking out weapons. FFXI did the same and i hated it. It is really minor but quite annoying.
#63 Oct 27 2010 at 9:06 AM Rating: Decent
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His face made me laugh more than his review did.
He shoulda fought one of those little cactus bastages.
#64 Oct 27 2010 at 10:47 AM Rating: Good
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I stopped watching after he got his *** handed to him by a Dodo. He either sucks at the game or is trying to play like an idiot.

Either way, I hope he scares any like-minded people away. Can you imagine having tons of people like him on your server?


Most of the people that really hate this game have absolutely no idea how to play the game.

Unfortunately with the now complete dumbing down of MMO's for the mass market we will have players coming to FFXIV who expect to win fights by spamming the "1" key they way they do in other games. THey will of course hate the game because they will keep getting smashed up.

Thankfully, these people wont stay long - they will just keep posting their messages of hate on boards like this.


Hey, this thread took 20 replies before someone came along with the tired old line about the game being better off without dumb poeople. That is many more replies than usual.

When this game is dead in 6 months we will see how happy you to see the so-called dumb people leaving.


ANd it took only one post from Hallie on his first day back after taking a break from these boards to get right up Enscheff's nose again! :-)

Glad to see that despite your hatred for the game, you are sticking around. Seems to be the case with so many of those that detest the game. That said, I am pretty sure that you would agree with me that the way this guy was playing the game was not right at all.

Of course you agree, but you couldnt possibly write that because then you would be recognising that I have a valid point in this context!


Of course he wasn't fighting the Dodo properly. But was he crafting incorrectly? Was he trying to find item in the wards incorrectly? Was he trying to start quests incorrectly? Was he opening up menus incorrectly to make them slow? Was he running around a huge empty world incorrectly?

Like I said, of the 20+ points he made about how crappy the game is, the only things fanbois could point out to refute the review were the tactics he used to fight the Dodo. Pretty weak, and further demonstrates just how bad the game is.

For the record, I stick around in hopes they fix this steaming pile of a game so I can play it. Once Rfit beta starts I will completely lose interest in this garbage game.
#65LillithaFenimore, Posted: Oct 27 2010 at 11:12 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yeah, not very funny IMO. Valid points, but it's obvious this guy resides in the basement of his parents home and has no life. How am I supposed to take his review seriously :O. I'll just stick with professionals and their reviews I guess...or just stick to my own judgement about games I play :o
#66 Oct 27 2010 at 12:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Clearly he doesn't understand crafting. Yes standard is primarily the route you'll go, unless you're trying for a HQ item and you use the Bold Synth command, If you're working on a low level item and you want to be done with it quick use rapid synth. Sure nothing in game tells you this, but after a little experimentation, or chat with other crafters the system reveals itself.


I'm sorry, but have you ever even tried crafting after SE "fixed" it? The system is incredibly messed up, and became a Standard Spam. If you use any other skill, even with a White orb, you're looking at like a 75% fail. I never even touch Bold unless I'm almost done the synth, have a bunch of durability, and am not making a finished item I can Touch Up. At least before the "fix" I could spam Rapid, and although my results were the same, I could finish my synth in half the time because it let me get more progress - another retarded move by SE.
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#67 Oct 27 2010 at 12:17 PM Rating: Decent
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LillithaFenimore wrote:
Yeah, not very funny IMO. Valid points, but it's obvious this guy resides in the basement of his parents home and has no life. How am I supposed to take his review seriously :O. I'll just stick with professionals and their reviews I guess...or just stick to my own judgement about games I play :o

Glad many of you got a laught out it...not my cup of tea.



Do i make it that obvious that i live in my parents basement?! OOO ya....i guess i do:(, that hair cut of mine along with the shaved face does scream of a man that never moved out from the basement and unemployed.. well the least i can do is show off some more pics of my parents basement, here is a pic of my unemployed friends and i kicking smoking pot and looking at **** down in my command center! and if you notice we are looking to our right in the picture and my door in my room is on the right side. Well we are looking at my mom, she walked in on us and and was yelling at as about "Never amounting to anything!"

and sorry my room was really messy this picture... you would figured since i have no job i could keep it clean! but alas....i can not:(
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/eli809/n604830424_4108731_9478.jpg?t=1288203055





Edited, Oct 27th 2010 2:28pm by elicuevas
#68 Oct 27 2010 at 1:24 PM Rating: Default
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Overall my opinion of his opinion, is the review is a giant pile of crap. Yeah FFXIV needs work on the questing content , on the UI. But i guess haters are gonna hate.


Hater as defined by Urban Dictionary:

A person that simply cannot be happy for another person's success. So rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person. Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater doesn't really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater wants to knock someone else down a notch.

Susan: You know, Kevin from accounting is doing very well. He just bought a house in a very nice part of town.

Jane (hater): If he is doing so well why does he drive that '89 Taurus?

or my example.....

Dissappointed FFXIV player: Man,... I waited so long for this game and it's complete garbage, Looks like I'm going to be buying Cataclysm after all :( :( :( I didn't expect this to be the WoW killer, but I was hoping for a fun alternative that I might enjoy. I mean I loved FFXI, so I assumed some of the better aspects of XI would be implemented in XIV right??? shame on me for assuming...

SE Fan Boi: FFXIV is GOING to be great, just tell yourself that while you torture yourself by playing. WoW is a bunch of crap anyways, I mean they constantly change their game to make improvements and stuff, and then it's buggy for like a day after the maintenance. Plus some people don't have super huge computers for there 4gig free content updates. It's so easy to play too... it's a baby's game! I mean I didn't even have to minimize the game once to go look up recipes, NPC locations, or game mechanics on the interwebs!!!!


Also: On a side note.. Can someone playing tell me if they implemented that search feature for the Market wards??? I know they changed the names of wards and reduced tax.. but SE did announce a search feature in 1-2 weeks about.. well.. 3 weeks ago?

#69 Oct 27 2010 at 2:08 PM Rating: Decent
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People taking an obviously exaggerated, over the top, overly sarcastic, humorous review seriously. Quite appalling. The review was intended to give laughs and point out the fundamental flaws of this game (which, undeniably, exists. Especially when comparing what was accomplished in FFXI and what FFXIV manage to take backwards).

If you guys wanted serious reviews, there are plenty of 'official' ones out there.

I commend the author of that video. It was very funny.
#70 Oct 27 2010 at 2:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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After so many posts in so many threads, the best I have come up with is just that people will complain because they can.


Maybe people are complaining because they are angry. They paid $70-80 (including sales tax) for a game that most agree is not ready for release. Instead of logging into the game and getting $70 of value they log into a web site and discuss its shortcomings until they've gotten their money's worth. Not everybody wants to can their subscription and quietly walk away from their money.

If SE were to offer a full refund I bet there'd be a lot less complaining and a much greater percentage of the remaining customers would be happy. A refund is not so far fetched, people wont get any value from the client without a valid server account.

If you compare this game to other retail releases you can conclude SE should reasonably be expected to know this game does not measure up. SE put their own business results ahead of their customer's interests. Their antisocial behaviour has led to the antisocial postings you see on these forums.
#71 Oct 27 2010 at 2:32 PM Rating: Default
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Yeah, not very funny IMO. Valid points, but it's obvious this guy resides in the basement of his parents home and has no life. How am I supposed to take his review seriously :O. I'll just stick with professionals and their reviews I guess...or just stick to my own judgement about games I play :o

Glad many of you got a laught out it...not my cup of tea.


Do i make it that obvious that i live in my parents basement?! OOO ya....i guess i do:(, that hair cut of mine along with the shaved face does scream of a man that never moved out from the basement and unemployed.. well the least i can do is show off some more pics of my parents basement, here is a pic of my unemployed friends and i kicking smoking pot and looking at **** down in my command center! and if you notice we are looking to our right in the picture and my door in my room is on the right side. Well we are looking at my mom, she walked in on us and and was yelling at as about "Never amounting to anything!"

and sorry my room was really messy this picture... you would figured since i have no job i could keep it clean! but alas....i can not:(
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/eli809/n604830424_4108731_9478.jpg?t=1288203055




O_o; ummm.... When I said all that, I was referring to said person making review I didn't care for, not having anything better else to do Oo;....I don't care to know what you do in your spare time, if you are unemployed, or if you really do live in your parents basement Oo;. Just saying, what others are finding funny, not for me! And the person making the vid, could do something better with his time O_o;

Like I said earlier, glad some people got laughs out of it :D. I know the vid was meant for laughs :D, again...not for me :P I can have an opinion right :o? or do I fail at that as well T_T

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#72 Oct 27 2010 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
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LillithaFenimore wrote:
O_o; ummm.... When I said all that, I was referring to said person making review I didn't care for, not having anything better else to do Oo;....I don't care to know what you do in your spare time, if you are unemployed, or if you really do live in your parents basement Oo;. Just saying, what others are finding funny, not for me! And the person making the vid, could do something better with his time O_o;


The person who made that review is the person who responded to you. The fact of the matter is we could all probably be spending our time doing something better or more productive.
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O_o; ummm.... When I said all that, I was referring to said person making review I didn't care for, not having anything better else to do Oo;....I don't care to know what you do in your spare time, if you are unemployed, or if you really do live in your parents basement Oo;. Just saying, what others are finding funny, not for me! And the person making the vid, could do something better with his time O_o;

Like I said earlier, glad some people got laughs out of it :D. I know the vid was meant for laughs :D, again...not for me :P I can have an opinion right :o? or do I fail at that as well T_T


I don't think I've ever seen more emotes in one block of text, looks kinda creepy when overdone for some reason.
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#75 Oct 27 2010 at 7:28 PM Rating: Default
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lmao.. that guy was terrible at playing. Reviews like this ruin the game for everyone, and will hinder sales of FFXIV. I like 14, even in its early stages. Can't wait to see where the game is at around this time next year.

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#76 Oct 27 2010 at 7:49 PM Rating: Default
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They did give us underpants in case we **** them. like most are doing to the game with all their talk.
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lmao.. that guy was terrible at playing. Reviews like this ruin the game for everyone, and will hinder sales of FFXIV. I like 14, even in its early stages. Can't wait to see where the game is at around this time next year.

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are you serious? its SE and how bad the game is that ruins the game for peopel and hinder sales not a review lol
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Are you guys insane? In FFXI, there were mobs in beginning zones that owned you. Outside of San d'Oria, once you could take rabbits, you still hold orcs that pwned your face. Get over it...It ABSOLUTELY MAKES SENSE. In Africa, if you see herds of anything, pay close attention, there will be predators very close. In the ocean, if you find schools of fish, pay close attention, you will find predators or they will find the school. I will admit FFXIV has some problems, but the placement of tough mobs among weaker is nothing new to FF. It may however, be new to players of other RPG's...MMO or otherwise.
Many of you WoW'ers waltzed to max level in the game and convinced yourself you had acoomplished something---that you were a "gamer". Listen, if WoW and FF were mountains to be climbed, WoW would have an elevator, a guy to push the buttons on the elevator, someone else to serve you hot cocoa, someone else to meet you at the top and guide you to someone else who would then carry you to your room. FF would be a mountain with its peak in the clouds and cold biting winds that scream "try me if you dare"---much the way people in WoW erroneously feel about end game raiding or PvPing. Sure, a resort is cool, but some of us like climbing the mountain.
If you are comparing FFXIV to the ease of WoW, you are wrong. FF players don't want FF to be WoW. Instead of playing FF for the graphics and complaining that it isn't WoW, how about you go back to Blizz and complain about the fact that although they have more customers, more money, and apparently "better customer service", they are still selling you a cartoon...they have vast profits and instead of giving you a new game with any enhancements, and real risk, they are regurgitating. If WoW is so awesome, what was the draw to FFXIV? The pretty pictures? Like I said, go back to Blizz and say "Yeah, I love the game, but it looks like dog vomit compared to FFXIV...when can we expect a new game that gives us that? Where's the response to what the customers really want?" instead of hopping over here and whining that FFXIV isn't WoW.
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I stopped watching after he got his *** handed to him by a Dodo. He either sucks at the game or is trying to play like an idiot.

Either way, I hope he scares any like-minded people away. Can you imagine having tons of people like him on your server?


Most of the people that really hate this game have absolutely no idea how to play the game.

Unfortunately with the now complete dumbing down of MMO's for the mass market we will have players coming to FFXIV who expect to win fights by spamming the "1" key they way they do in other games. THey will of course hate the game because they will keep getting smashed up.

Thankfully, these people wont stay long - they will just keep posting their messages of hate on boards like this.


Hey, this thread took 20 replies before someone came along with the tired old line about the game being better off without dumb poeople. That is many more replies than usual.

When this game is dead in 6 months we will see how happy you to see the so-called dumb people leaving.


ANd it took only one post from Hallie on his first day back after taking a break from these boards to get right up Enscheff's nose again! :-)

Glad to see that despite your hatred for the game, you are sticking around. Seems to be the case with so many of those that detest the game. That said, I am pretty sure that you would agree with me that the way this guy was playing the game was not right at all.

Of course you agree, but you couldnt possibly write that because then you would be recognising that I have a valid point in this context!


Of course he wasn't fighting the Dodo properly. But was he crafting incorrectly? Was he trying to find item in the wards incorrectly? Was he trying to start quests incorrectly? Was he opening up menus incorrectly to make them slow? Was he running around a huge empty world incorrectly?

Like I said, of the 20+ points he made about how crappy the game is, the only things fanbois could point out to refute the review were the tactics he used to fight the Dodo. Pretty weak, and further demonstrates just how bad the game is.

For the record, I stick around in hopes they fix this steaming pile of a game so I can play it. Once Rfit beta starts I will completely lose interest in this garbage game.





Listen---this is FF. I'm going to use a term from WoW you might be accustomed to--- Unfortunately for you, it will be applied to many people who so loosely threw about the term.



How do you tell the difference between a WoW player and a FF player? The WoW player's face looks like a waffle from rolling his face around on the keyboard.
#80 Oct 28 2010 at 7:33 PM Rating: Good
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SE Fan Boi: FFXIV is GOING to be great, just tell yourself that while you torture yourself by playing. WoW is a bunch of crap anyways, I mean they constantly change their game to make improvements and stuff, and then it's buggy for like a day after the maintenance. Plus some people don't have super huge computers for there 4gig free content updates. It's so easy to play too... it's a baby's game! I mean I didn't even have to minimize the game once to go look up recipes, NPC locations, or game mechanics on the interwebs!!!!


I do think its pretty funny when people do say "its going to be great". All people know is whats out now. We can reasonably assume what things will probably be like after the improvements they've announced have been made. But saying it 'will' be great is a bit premature.
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Are you guys insane? In FFXI, there were mobs in beginning zones that owned you. Outside of San d'Oria, once you could take rabbits, you still hold orcs that pwned your face. Get over it...It ABSOLUTELY MAKES SENSE. In Africa, if you see herds of anything, pay close attention, there will be predators very close. In the ocean, if you find schools of fish, pay close attention, you will find predators or they will find the school. I will admit FFXIV has some problems, but the placement of tough mobs among weaker is nothing new to FF. It may however, be new to players of other RPG's...MMO or otherwise.
Many of you WoW'ers waltzed to max level in the game and convinced yourself you had acoomplished something---that you were a "gamer". Listen, if WoW and FF were mountains to be climbed, WoW would have an elevator, a guy to push the buttons on the elevator, someone else to serve you hot cocoa, someone else to meet you at the top and guide you to someone else who would then carry you to your room. FF would be a mountain with its peak in the clouds and cold biting winds that scream "try me if you dare"---much the way people in WoW erroneously feel about end game raiding or PvPing. Sure, a resort is cool, but some of us like climbing the mountain.
If you are comparing FFXIV to the ease of WoW, you are wrong. FF players don't want FF to be WoW. Instead of playing FF for the graphics and complaining that it isn't WoW, how about you go back to Blizz and complain about the fact that although they have more customers, more money, and apparently "better customer service", they are still selling you a cartoon...they have vast profits and instead of giving you a new game with any enhancements, and real risk, they are regurgitating. If WoW is so awesome, what was the draw to FFXIV? The pretty pictures? Like I said, go back to Blizz and say "Yeah, I love the game, but it looks like dog vomit compared to FFXIV...when can we expect a new game that gives us that? Where's the response to what the customers really want?" instead of hopping over here and whining that FFXIV isn't WoW.


Here's the thing... Myself being a FFXI veteran along with being a WoW veteran, I can tell you that my grind from 1-75 in FFXI was EXACTLY the same level of difficulty as my grind in WoW from 1-80.

The only difference is the time it took to reach max level in each game.

The reasons for this are mainly related to forced grouping (FFXI), and solo playability (wow). While both had ups and downs for me, the difficulty level was extremely easy. If you can pull Lizzies in the dunes, you can pull goblins in the jungle, and then pull more mobs.. and more mobs.. and exp chain.. my eyes are bleeding..JUST as(in WoW)you can complete this zones quests in this town.. move to the next.. complete similar quests.. move to next...and next.. my eyes are bleeding again.

The major difference in these games that people fail to realize is that the majority of content is end game. It took some people a year in FFXI to reach max level with appropriate sub's leveled. In WoW, I could have 6 80's in welfare gear, or one decked out main, with a few 80 alt scrubs.

Let's face it, the hardest part of FFXI was:
a) at release most people were using macros to communicate because VOIP servers weren't used for mmo's
b)Getting claim on NM's because of the bot's or the fact that 150 people would stand in one place waiting for the spawn.

The only things difficult in WoW are:
a) High rated Arena matches (PvP)
b) End game raiding (Hard Modes)

Now the difference is this.. and this is undisputable...
In FFXI, everyone was affected by NM claims, from Leaping Lizzy, to SKY bosses..
In WoW, Only the hardcore gamers are presented with a high level of difficulty.

I challenge anyone that disagrees to make a character on WoW.. and link me there armory when they killed LK(heroic) and also have a 2500+ arena rating.

TLDR: WoW's challenge lies in end game content, sure leveling 1-80 is pretty easy, but that month or 2 of quest grinding is just there so you can learn your classes abilities and get a feel for the game. The real test is how far your character can progress after hitting max level.


#82 Oct 28 2010 at 8:10 PM Rating: Decent
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It seemed a bit nitpicky to me.


Agreed. A good number of things he commented on or complained about he failed to give sufficient explanation to back up his gripes. Crafting, of course it takes longer because it's far more interactive. At least you have a chance at actually succeeding at a tougher synth or creating an HQ version of said item! If he complained about how long it takes to choose your items or say, the length of time it takes to actually start a synth then he'd have a valid point. And another thing, the fact it gives you the "Finish" option at the end is because during regular synthesis on finished products (Like armor, weapons, etc.) you're also given a "Touch Up" ability. At the cost of durability it gives you a chance to re-roll in hopes of getting an HQ version of the item you're crafting. In FFXI you checked the elemental day, faced the right direction, got support, crossed your fingers and toes, kissed a frog, and prayed to the crafting gods to HQ your synth and in return you'd name your first born Cloud Strife.

One note to make I found utterly stupid... He complains about the fact you need to stop each time you draw or put away your weapon which he called "equipping". FFXI had the same thing with the exception you couldn't really draw your weapon unless you were actually targeting an enemy. If were moving and ran out of range of your target you would stop, sheath your weapon, and then resume moving. Same with if you were to target an enemy, it's not instant. This gripe of his has no reasoning. Overall his review was by far the worst I've seen, more gripes than actual points or valid arguments. Some stuff was good, but overall it was just stuff just about every review has covered beforehand, and did a better job at it too.

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Edited, Oct 28th 2010 7:17pm by SamusKnight
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#83 Oct 28 2010 at 8:12 PM Rating: Decent
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sadly his review is spot on...

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#84 Oct 28 2010 at 8:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have palyed 5 different MMO's and 3 at the highest endgame level, and I can say none of them are particularly difficult from a gaming PoV. The difference is some have bigger time sinks than others.

When a fanboy says something like, "FF is just more hardcore, go back to WoW" , thats just kind of a lashing out way of trying to win an argument. It's like if you're arguing with someone and they say, "WELL YOU'RE JUST STUPID!!" and leave.

I used to say the same thing when I was playing FFXI. I would say things like, "FFXI isn't as popular as WoW because its more hardcore". But it was all just BS really.

To say FFXIV is difficult is rediculous to me. There isnt an endgame yet, so we can't judge that aspect, all we can compare is the grind. And it is of all the MMO I have played the easiest. The combat system is the most basic i've seen. It doesn't even feel like a console port, it feels like a system developed for the Nintendo DS. And the grind isnt an issue for me, i couldn't care if it too a year to get to lvl 50, it is just sooo boring, it makes it feel like it's been a year already.
#85 Oct 28 2010 at 8:20 PM Rating: Good
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Many of you WoW'ers waltzed to max level in the game and convinced yourself you had acoomplished something---that you were a "gamer".



Only sad, sad people think that leveling is an accomplishment.... in anygame.

Anyone can level in anygame. Literally, just showing up and hitting 1 button (or even just autoattacking) near trivial mobs will eventually get you to level cap.

Bragging about that is just sad.
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#86 Oct 28 2010 at 8:21 PM Rating: Default
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funny thing is people still come to the ffxiv forums & play the game and still say how much the game let them down and it the worse thing ever, why would you spend time playing the worse thing ever?
#87 Oct 28 2010 at 8:33 PM Rating: Decent
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My answer to this question is WoW... I dont want to go back to wow so i would bash my head into a wall before i did that.. Playing FFXIV is kinda like Bashing head into a wall.

I just wish i didnt throw away my FFXI boxes with codes after 5 years of wow or i would seriously go back to FFXI.

mitmystria wrote:
funny thing is people still come to the ffxiv forums & play the game and still say how much the game let them down and it the worse thing ever, why would you spend time playing the worse thing ever?

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#88 Oct 28 2010 at 11:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Also, this game isn't XI-2. They wanted to make a new game...


Yup. And that's where everything went so so so wrong.
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#89 Oct 29 2010 at 2:52 AM Rating: Decent
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I do think its pretty funny when people do say "its going to be great". All people know is whats out now. We can reasonably assume what things will probably be like after the improvements they've announced have been made. But saying it 'will' be great is a bit premature.


I find this kinda odd too, people have such blind faith in something thats unknown. These patches are going to be so hyped up there will be no way they can live upto them. Fixing a game that's this broken takes more than 1 or 2 patches, a lot more. Added to this Square have never done things players wanted outright, if forced they do what the players want with their own special slant on it which could be terrible.


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Also, this game isn't XI-2. They wanted to make a new game...



Yup. And that's where everything went so so so wrong.


I have to be honest here this was exactly where they want wrong, they made the races and world way too similar to then say they wanted it to be completely different. If you do want to make a whole new different game then you need to give it a whole new look and feel and make sure you don't try to give any indication of a followup.

What they did with 14 was really stupid, adding the same races made this look exactly like FFXI-2 and people came in at least half expecting some of that, when they found it not to be the case they got annoyed and coupled with the state of the game they got some angry players. If you want to cash in on the players love for a previous game you better do a **** good job and live upto their expectations, if you can't do that make it totally new and nothing like the other. ie WoW and Starcraft 2.

They had a lot to live upto making this so similar to FFXI and they failed miserably, people would of probably been a lot more forgiving if it had no ties whatsoever to FFXI.
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#90 Oct 29 2010 at 3:30 AM Rating: Default
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Do i make it that obvious that i live in my parents basement?! OOO ya....i guess i do:(, that hair cut of mine along with the shaved face does scream of a man that never moved out from the basement and unemployed.. well the least i can do is show off some more pics of my parents basement, here is a pic of my unemployed friends and i kicking smoking pot and looking at **** down in my command center! and if you notice we are looking to our right in the picture and my door in my room is on the right side. Well we are looking at my mom, she walked in on us and and was yelling at as about "Never amounting to anything!"

and sorry my room was really messy this picture... you would figured since i have no job i could keep it clean! but alas....i can not:(
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/eli809/n604830424_4108731_9478.jpg?t=1288203055





Edited, Oct 27th 2010 2:28pm by elicuevas


Funny AND cute... WTB!
#91 Oct 29 2010 at 3:53 AM Rating: Good
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elicuevas wrote:



Do i make it that obvious that i live in my parents basement?! OOO ya....i guess i do:(, that hair cut of mine along with the shaved face does scream of a man that never moved out from the basement and unemployed.. well the least i can do is show off some more pics of my parents basement, here is a pic of my unemployed friends and i kicking smoking pot and looking at **** down in my command center! and if you notice we are looking to our right in the picture and my door in my room is on the right side. Well we are looking at my mom, she walked in on us and and was yelling at as about "Never amounting to anything!"

and sorry my room was really messy this picture... you would figured since i have no job i could keep it clean! but alas....i can not:(
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/eli809/n604830424_4108731_9478.jpg?t=1288203055


Funny AND cute... WTB!


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#92 Oct 29 2010 at 5:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, not very funny IMO. Valid points, but it's obvious this guy resides in the basement of his parents home and has no life. How am I supposed to take his review seriously :O. I'll just stick with professionals and their reviews I guess...or just stick to my own judgement about games I play :o

Glad many of you got a laught out it...not my cup of tea.





Psychological projection


"An example of this behavior might be blaming another for self failure. The mind may avoid the discomfort of consciously admitting personal faults by keeping those feelings unconscious, and redirect their libidinal satisfaction by attaching, or "projecting," those same faults onto another."

In other words when you acuse someone of living in their parents basement, it is assumed that you are the one living in a basement.
#93 Oct 29 2010 at 6:28 AM Rating: Decent
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LMAO this was so funny thanks. hahaaha ; ; oh i need my coffee cu...
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#94 Oct 29 2010 at 8:57 AM Rating: Good
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I find it more amusing that the fan boy response is not to rebut his critique of the game, but rather to attack his means of presenting said critique.


mistrik wrote:
He was being sarcastic about the Antling.. there's no real reason such a high level mob should be mixed in with stuff rank 1-10's are fighting,


That is *********

roselings spawn in the same area as the beetles south of Camp Bearded Rock are aggressive.

sandskin peiste spawn near Camp Black Brush and will aggro if you attack a lower level mob in its vicinity.

young galago, albeit not aggressive, spawn near low level stuff around Camp Bentbranch.

Edited, Oct 29th 2010 11:05am by kornbred
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