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#52 Oct 27 2010 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Yep, the fix is simple, submit feedback to SE and ask them to implement an Auction House.
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#53 Oct 27 2010 at 11:34 AM Rating: Default
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I think this is the best option. I like the idea of the market wards but the execution has been poo. Maybe if the AH only sold finished goods like the auction houses in rl (I'm assuming, never seen one on tv that sold ores or lumber) and the wards only sold mats?


I like where you're going with this.

A full-on auction house couldn't exist with full-on market wards because the market wards would simply shrivel and die... and I think it's safe to assume that SE wants the market wards to be a big part of this game.

This kind of solution though would give purpose to both the AH and market wards... I would like very much for SE to consider something like this.



I just don't think this would work either though to be honest. People would still cram tons of useless items into the wrong places and it would take just as long to find any materials. The only way it would *possibly* work is if the game itself automatically sorted retainers into the correct wards, and if a player could post a retainer in every ward from the start without having to pay real life money.


I don't know - I am finding the wards better organized already. If SE increased the tax on items sold in the incorrect ward it would force more organization.

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#54 Oct 27 2010 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Personally, I found FFXI's AH extremely flawed. You could only list a limited number of items, you couldn't specify a selling period, you couldn't list partial stacks, the buyer couldn't see at all what you were selling for, etc. For years people would use bazaar's as an additional method of selling to try get around the various short comings of it's AH system. The same idea would work in FFXIV - if you're a bargain hunter, and I know many in MMO's that are, you'd take the time to go from person to person, stall to stall, looking for the cheapest price. On the other hand, if you're like me you don't really care if you can find something for a few gil less elsewhere, the convenience of an AH outweighs any bargains I may find.
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Just wanted to comment on the part about FFXI's AH being flawed. I don't consider the hidden prices an issue because it prevented people from undercutting you by trivial amounts, and you could still see the market value by checking the history. If you've played other MMO's with a standard AH system, you'll notice a lists of items for 1g, 99s99c, 99s98c, etc, requiring you to constantly be monitoring what you have up for sale. Lowest price almost always sells first, even if they are virtually the same. With hidden prices someone wouldn't know if they were undercutting you or not (only undercutting the market value), and so the price drops are usually more significant. The only problem I had with FFXI's AH is the item limit, which you also mentioned. I think people mainly used the bazaars to get around the AH fees and the item limit.

The market wards system as it currently stands is a mess though. I know I won't be paying real money for extra retainers just so I can put one or two items each in the right ward. That's a workaround for their broken system, not a fix - but of course they stand to make more money off it that way. Maybe they should just change the wards into a space for people to leave their characters logged in with bazaars open - tax free - as players found places to do this in FFXI. That way there's a chance you could at least contact the person if you wanted to barter or request an item they might not be selling at the moment. I know if I couldn't find an item on the AH I might wander there hoping to get lucky.

The real issue with an AH in FFXIV is the inventory nightmare they've created with multiple variations of the same item. You've got +1, +2, +3 versions of items and dyed armor - an entire list to browse through ala FFXI would be huge. They'd have to only list the items that were currently being sold, but then you couldn't check the price history for an item you wanted to sell if nobody else had one up already.
#55 Oct 27 2010 at 12:46 PM Rating: Good
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I just do no understand why we cannot have both?

Xi had an unofficial market ward and it had the AH and they worked very well together

and yes I am mentioning the rolanberry fields market. I was awesome could shop at your own pace
if you had time while lfp, or utlize the AH if in a pinch for time.

Wait we do have forever in the wards because there is no lfp option -_-

#56 Oct 27 2010 at 1:03 PM Rating: Default
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I dont see how this market ward system is going to work. Just the other day i decided to take a shot at checking the battlecraft ward for a weapon... result = FAIL! instead i found wood,food,cloth and a whole lot of other crap that just dont belong in that ward. a system like this only works if there are guidelines implemented to only allow the sale of a item for its proper ward. A auction house needs to be implemented... the amount of time it takes some one to look for something like a axe for example is just insane and only to leave the wards ****** because they couldnt find anything they were looking for. Clutter is going to suck when more retainers are allowed as well. this is all just a bunch of crap really. an idea gone wrong all together.

TRASH THIS RETAINER/BAZAAR CRAP! and give us back our AH/D-BOXES/MOGHOUSES/CHOCOBOS! **** IT!
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#57 Oct 27 2010 at 1:12 PM Rating: Decent
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ZeretaiGoliath wrote:
TRASH THIS RETAINER/BAZAAR CRAP! and give us back our AH/D-BOXES/MOGHOUSES/CHOCOBOS! **** IT!


Even if they do implement an AH and make the retainer system useless for trading I still see them keeping the retainers with the lack of inventory space. If it the only option available people will buy it.
#58 Oct 27 2010 at 1:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I would love to be able to add a bazaar comment to my retainer, as Enfid mentioned. You could put what types of items you're selling / sold and your name so you could be contacted. As a crafter myself, I certainly don't mind making stuff for others.

I also think the search feature will really improve it. I think it will model an Auction House in a way that nobody is really going to care / complain half as much anymore. I'd assume something like: Battlecraft -> Pugilist's Arm -> (Shows a list of ALL pugilist arms ever sold, and you can sort by level or w/e. And beside it, you'd see how many being sold in the wards. Then further clicking it would tell you which retainer is selling, and you'd go to get :p)

Would that *really* be so bad? Definatley not.

One thing I do for sure agree on now, in its current state, is there is a serious problem with space in wards. And I have no idea why people are so awful stupid that they put the worst retainers in every ward imaginable. Everyone picks "Battlecraft" ward and has the mentality "oh, its the first one, people are bound the check!!!" But if everyone used it correctly, each ward would be equally full.
**The person who mentioned the uselessness of hatters/cobblers/glovers wards, etc was correct too. It's way *too* specific. I'd rather have the equipment ward be the same one (hats/body/gloves/shoes/legs).
I'd propose a more serious tax on selling junk in wards? Oh, you want to put a marmot meat in the battlecraft ward? Sure! Have 50% tax.

I don't think *anything* in XIV would make me more happy than a delivery service tho ^^ Then I'd be happy as can be. My linkshell and I trade stuff back and forth with each other often, but we can't always tele to one another to give mats / stuff because of the heavy anima use. Gotta save that stuff!


(Oh, and ffxivpro.com is really helpful, just saying)

Edited, Oct 27th 2010 3:35pm by Twinzero

Edited, Oct 27th 2010 3:36pm by Twinzero
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#59 Oct 27 2010 at 1:34 PM Rating: Default
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burtonsnow wrote:
ZeretaiGoliath wrote:
TRASH THIS RETAINER/BAZAAR CRAP! and give us back our AH/D-BOXES/MOGHOUSES/CHOCOBOS! **** IT!


Even if they do implement an AH and make the retainer system useless for trading I still see them keeping the retainers with the lack of inventory space. If it the only option available people will buy it.


i agree. which is why i want my moghouse back xD. but yes if at the very least give us a AH. if i have to purchase a retainer so be it.
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