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#52 Oct 27 2010 at 4:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Hope they add <pos> <you can have this>?
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#53 Oct 27 2010 at 4:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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As for wonderful customer support - you have obviously never had your account hacked!


I had my account hacked in WoW and it was honestly the most pleasant CS experience I've had in my life outside of staying at a resort hotel. That's no joke. Prior to being hacked I was considering taking a break from WoW, and actually kept my account active for another year after just because I was so impressed at the level of Customer Service.

Compared to the process of trying to do something relatively mundane like reactivate a dormant FFXI account, it was pure pleasure.

I can make a arguments for a few things that S-E does better than Blizzard, but when it comes to Customer Service, S-E doesn't hold a candle.

#54 Oct 27 2010 at 4:59 PM Rating: Default
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I for one enjoy the excitement and suspense of no patch notes on maintenance days. **** son, don't ever join the Army if you like to be belt fed information. All you princesses need to harden the f*ck up. Seriously :)
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#55 Oct 27 2010 at 6:11 PM Rating: Good
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UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
Wonder why they cant fill us in on what they are changing, not telling us is so 2003.


Probably because they don't want to be rebuked for any "false promises" if they fail to fix something they set out to fix. It's much easier, both on the development team and on the flagrant player-base, for them to fix all that they can and make a list afterwards.
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#56Wloire, Posted: Oct 27 2010 at 7:19 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Skipped the thread because I'm losing faith in humanity as well as the forums but I would like to point out: "One expansion every 3-4 years (with the exception of cataclysm which was 2 years) as well as a single content patch every 6-12 months is not good developing. Nor is Blizzards customer service anything special.
#57 Oct 27 2010 at 7:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Your a ****** if you refuse to admit wow is a MMO is absolutly is and its 10x better then any FF release ever... Stop breathing you ****** bastardss....

Im going to sue for the carpul tunnel this game gave me by trying to craft. anyone know a good bot?
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#58 Oct 27 2010 at 7:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Your a ******


I die inside every time I read that.

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#59 Oct 27 2010 at 8:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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KaneKitty wrote:
UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
Wonder why they cant fill us in on what they are changing, not telling us is so 2003.


Probably because they don't want to be rebuked for any "false promises" if they fail to fix something they set out to fix. It's much easier, both on the development team and on the flagrant player-base, for them to fix all that they can and make a list afterwards.
Wait a minute? are you saying that the take down the servers and try implement changes a much as they can during that time, therefore they can't tell us exactly what will be updated and what not?

I understand that this may not be that common knowledge, but that's not the way software is updated, most probably at least a couple of days before the maintenance they already have everything implemented an updated, the two hours of maintenance are to take down the servers and update the internal files, which takes maybe less than 30mins but they take 2 hours in case something unexpected happens.

I think the reason to keep the update items until after the maintenance is to avoid encouraging people to exploit game holes, think about it if you see something like:

"A problem when the system allow players to register more than 8 leves will be addressed"

And it's still in game, I bet a lot of people will try to go out of their way to exploit it.

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#60 Oct 27 2010 at 9:58 PM Rating: Good
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I am the guy speaking for the silent majority who simply doesn't care about what happens out-of-game if the game is good and neither do they if the game is bad; they just won't play.

But there are too many people here who do not belong in this majority. They want to be the princesses because the game itself isn't enough to satisfy them and they are too weak-willed to go on.


Your definition and use of the word fluff are conflicting. You define it as "what happens out-of-game" yet you fail to realize that the communication from Blizzard devs to the players are regarding changes that happen... in the game.

If it makes me a princess because a developer with decades of experience still has not yet figured out how to properly code and develop a game, then my e-tiara is bigger than your denial.
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#61 Oct 27 2010 at 10:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Wloire wrote:
Skipped the thread because I'm losing faith in humanity as well as the forums but I would like to point out: "One expansion every 3-4 years (with the exception of cataclysm which was 2 years) as well as a single content patch every 6-12 months is not good developing.


I agree that Blizz doesn't have the best customer service, but there is also something I feel that needs to be pointed out: The expansions released by Blizzard are just that, expansions. The magnitude of new content added far exceeds anything you would have found in FFXI. RoZ is the only offering for XI that even comes close. Since ToaU I would be hard pressed to call anything they have released an expansion. That was released about 4 years ago. Everything since then is rehash of the same zones already available or re-skinned mobs. Don't base your criteria for good development on how often expansions are released, especially if you don't take into account the amount of content made available by those expansions.
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#62 Oct 27 2010 at 10:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I personally never said Blizz had the best CS and PR in the world. But compared to SE its night and day. **** they hold big events where devs and management have like "town hall" style Q&A with fans. SE has some BS made up fluff page on the lodestone "ask the devs". Who exactly is asking the questions in this "ask the devs".
#63 Oct 27 2010 at 10:24 PM Rating: Good
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I personally never said Blizz had the best CS and PR in the world. But compared to SE its night and day. **** they hold big events where devs and management have like "town hall" style Q&A with fans. SE has some BS made up fluff page on the lodestone "ask the devs". Who exactly is asking the questions in this "ask the devs".

I also think that Square Enix's customer service is absolutely atrocious; but in the interest in full truth, in their defense, Square Enix also does a yearly big even where they sit down and do a "town hall" style Q&A. For FFXI it was Vana'fest, and I'm sure they are at least considering something similar to that for FFXIV. I'm not defending their overall customer service policy, just picking a nit, they do technically have a yearly big event like that.
#64 Oct 27 2010 at 10:24 PM Rating: Good
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I agree that Blizz doesn't have the best customer service, but there is also something I feel that needs to be pointed out: The expansions released by Blizzard are just that, expansions. The magnitude of new content added far exceeds anything you would have found in FFXI. RoZ is the only offering for XI that even comes close. Since ToaU I would be hard pressed to call anything they have released an expansion. That was released about 4 years ago. Everything since then is rehash of the same zones already available or re-skinned mobs. Don't base your criteria for good development on how often expansions are released, especially if you don't take into account the amount of content made available by those expansions.


I was thinking about EVE online more than FFXI but I couldn't let this down.

BC was a good expansion don't get me wrong but RotZ, CoP AND ToAU all had more content than WotLK, even if you don't count the quarterly version updates, which brings me to a larger point. Almost every quarter with FFXI brought a ton of new stuff to enjoy (even some stuff that was never touched like Poke-ahem-pankration). Blizz's content patches came at their fastest once every 6 months, and often they were just rehashes of previous dungeon favorites (5 mans?).

You singled out ToAU, so let me just make a list of what came with the original CD:
-Three new jobs, all of which were exceptionally fun to play, and well designed (minus puppet's problems).
-Aht-Urghan/Whitegate, a beautiful city with loads of character and background.
-Four, or was it five new regions?
-Assault, a fun, rewarding activity.
-The initial storyline.
-My all time favorite: Besieged. If you could get past the lag Besieged was quite possibly one of the coolest and most interesting implementation any MMO has gone through. Some of my best memories from FFXI come from besieged.

I wasn't around for WotG's release but when I came back there seemed to be plenty of content but I can't sufficiently argue that point. CoP, although lacking in jobs or new design features had one of the best storylines I've ever experienced in an MMO.

Cataclysm is also just a rehash of vanilla WoW's zones so I don't know what your point was? Blizzard also has this knack of erasing all your achievements, forcing you to regrind all your gear or wiping your character's functionality and forcing you to retool and calling it "content".

Going through this list reminded me how stellar FFXI was (especially ToAU) and now I'm weeping inside over what happened with FFXIV. :(
#65 Oct 27 2010 at 10:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, I've asked a few, no?

I asked "wait, where's the next part of this quest?" without knowing that the map button on that quest in the Quests menu existed.

I wondered why the icon would change color when I killed one mob in a party of two. Well, now I know - it's my party versus mob party.

I wondered why I couldn't get level 20 mining leves in Uldah, or level 20 botanist leves in LL. Now I know. I thought "gee, that's retarded", read the next paragraph, and it seems the devs agree!

I wondered how to increase the number of stars on a leve, for the purposes of exchanging it. Now I know.

The 10/15 "Ask the Devs" was the big "here's what we're going to fix" post. That was exactly the sort of communication that people are asking for - "we know that there are problems here, here, here, and here, and we're going to fix all of them, and here's a tentative schedule for when those fixes will go in".

The character creation Qs were interesting, mostly in that they had a list of "here's where to go to get starter tools for every class" (not a big deal if you read ZAM already, but hey), and it was kind of nice to know that the nameday and guardian didn't have any functionality yet... no having to worry about that in the "what factors affect crafting?" discussions.

So yeah, there's some good stuff in every bleedin' one of those posts so far...

As to the original topic, I imagine the reason they hold what they're about to patch close to the chest is that they aren't necessarily sure that it'll be done. They did delay a patch by a day last week; to me that says "we thought this change would work but it didn't and we had to pull it out or rewrite it really quick." You can have SE working as fast as possible to patch stuff, or you can have them telling you exactly what's in next week's patch this week (because it's actually done this week and they're sitting on it); I'll take the fast, please.
#66 Oct 27 2010 at 10:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Hulan wrote:

I also think that Square Enix's customer service is absolutely atrocious; but in the interest in full truth, in their defense, Square Enix also does a yearly big even where they sit down and do a "town hall" style Q&A. For FFXI it was Vana'fest, and I'm sure they are at least considering something similar to that for FFXIV. I'm not defending their overall customer service policy, just picking a nit, they do technically have a yearly big event like that.


Ya I forgot about Vana'fest, fair enough.
#67 Oct 27 2010 at 11:06 PM Rating: Decent
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People needs to stop and read carefully... and get a dictionary... seriously...

"At the following time period, we will be performing maintenance on all Worlds."

Maintenance:
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1.the act of maintaining.

Maintaining:
–verb (used with object)
1.to keep in existence or continuance; preserve.
2.to keep in an appropriate condition, operation, or force.
3.to keep in a specified state, position, etc.
4.to provide for the upkeep or support of.
5.to sustain or support.

In any place of the SE message said "we are doing maintenance and adding/changing/fixing this or that".

So, that's what they are doing... a maintenance, it doesn't imply or suggest, or even affirm they are gonna patch, fix or put something new... If they happen to find something during it, that's why the put the info at middle or after the maintenance is done. If it was a regular maintenance, the game will go back as usual.

So before start cursing, blamming, comparing, etc, please have a good looking at what you are reading.
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#68 Oct 27 2010 at 11:39 PM Rating: Decent
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You singled out ToAU, so let me just make a list of what came with the original CD...

I only singled it out to point out that it was the last decent expansion to be released and that was 4 years ago. I wasn't trying to point out any fault, but I think the expansions for WoW added way more in terms of content. I will say that assault and einherjar from the ToAU was a big step in the right direction. Lowman content that doesn't take hours to complete... I applauded them for that.

My point about the rehash is that every expansion or w/e you want to call the mini-expansions (since ToAU) either used the same zones or were instanced versions of the same zones. Literally copied/pasted with minor changes to the area. WotG is basically all of the RoZ zones with higher level mobs in it. Aside from a few level sync groups which have all but disappeared since abyssea, the zones are dead and useless with the only exception being magian trials. You liked besieged so you might have enjoyed campaign. It was similar to garrison if you ever did that. The storylines of ToAU and WotG just weren't nearly as good as CoP. I wish that hadn't failed so miserably at the end.






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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#69 Oct 27 2010 at 11:51 PM Rating: Good
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Wloire wrote:
You singled out ToAU, so let me just make a list of what came with the original CD...

I only singled it out to point out that it was the last decent expansion to be released and that was 4 years ago. I wasn't trying to point out any fault, but I think the expansions for WoW added way more in terms of content. I will say that assault and einherjar from the ToAU was a big step in the right direction. Lowman content that doesn't take hours to complete... I applauded them for that.

My point about the rehash is that every expansion or w/e you want to call the mini-expansions (since ToAU) either used the same zones or were instanced versions of the same zones. Literally copied/pasted with minor changes to the area. WotG is basically all of the RoZ zones with higher level mobs in it. Aside from a few level sync groups which have all but disappeared since abyssea, the zones are dead and useless with the only exception being magian trials. You liked besieged so you might have enjoyed campaign. It was similar to garrison if you ever did that. The storylines of ToAU and WotG just weren't nearly as good as CoP. I wish that hadn't failed so miserably at the end.


Like I said I can't speak reliably about WotG but I did play Campaign which was like a lag free besieged, I enjoyed it, not quite as much as defending an actual city though. WotG I felt went the right way for a story. Who wouldn't want to explore the depths of the great war we always heard about? The fact that they took what 2 and a half years to roll out all the missions is slightly ridiculous though.

I hate to argue with you because you are quite possibly the most intelligent, no combative fellow I've met on these forums but what content did WoW serve up? I remember 6 original dungeons, in WotLK, at release, Naxx and Onyx re-done (woooo recycling), the Northrend, the Lick King quest lines, Death Knights, ummm... Battlegrounds... I guess? I mean better than CoP content wise but surely not storyline wise and WotG, two new classes, 90% of the regions were recycled with dark themes, Campaign, a much more substantial storyline, multiple new "dungeons" (not quite the same idea between both games), 3 new mini cities.

Now if you want to discuss those terrible Moogle and Shantoto expansions well then I can completely agree with you on lack of content.





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beastmen are about to overtake all three nations in the past over on Alexander. Go Go Abyssea!! There's more important things to do, yes??

I'm so glad I'm quitting FFXI.
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beastmen are about to overtake all three nations in the past over on Alexander. Go Go Abyssea!! There's more important things to do, yes??

I'm so glad I'm quitting FFXI.


Does it really mean anything if the Beastmen win? >.>
#72 Oct 28 2010 at 12:05 AM Rating: Decent
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People needs to stop and read carefully... and get a dictionary... seriously...

"At the following time period, we will be performing maintenance on all Worlds."

Maintenance:
–noun
1.the act of maintaining.

Maintaining:
–verb (used with object)
1.to keep in existence or continuance; preserve.
2.to keep in an appropriate condition, operation, or force.
3.to keep in a specified state, position, etc.
4.to provide for the upkeep or support of.
5.to sustain or support.

In any place of the SE message said "we are doing maintenance and adding/changing/fixing this or that".

So, that's what they are doing... a maintenance, it doesn't imply or suggest, or even affirm they are gonna patch, fix or put something new... If they happen to find something during it, that's why the put the info at middle or after the maintenance is done. If it was a regular maintenance, the game will go back as usual.

So before start cursing, blamming, comparing, etc, please have a good looking at what you are reading.


Well, no.

And also....no.

They don't "find" things during maintenance that they fix on the spot and then tell us about. That's not how it works at all. All of the changes to the game are prepared ahead of time and then they take the servers down, update the host software, maybe do a little testing and then bring the servers back up. And they don't specifically announce when they're doing a patch. They announce it as maintenance and sometimes there are changes made to the game and sometimes there are not. At this point, we can safely assume that there will be some changes made. They will most likely be very minor changes that will spark another round of whining that there's no AH and this is still bugged and blah blah blah.
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#74 Oct 28 2010 at 12:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Wloire wrote:
I hate to argue with you because you are quite possibly the most intelligent, no combative fellow I've met on these forums but what content did WoW serve up? I remember 6 original dungeons, in WotLK, at release, Naxx and Onyx re-done (woooo recycling), the Northrend, the Lick King quest lines, Death Knights, ummm... Battlegrounds... I guess? I mean better than CoP content wise but surely not storyline wise and WotG, two new classes, 90% of the regions were recycled with dark themes, Campaign, a much more substantial storyline, multiple new "dungeons" (not quite the same idea between both games), 3 new mini cities.


Don't think I'll argue about the storylines as even as poorly as the mini xpacs were done they were still on par with WoW post BC, but the content I mean is things to do. Heroic dungeons, raids and endgame content that allowed anyone from newly leveled 80s to seasoned vets and provided a challenge for everyone. I agree with your point about how besieged made you feel involved. I've made the same point about lower level content in FFXIV lacking this. It was even present in quests you could start at level 15 in FFXI, but lacking in this release sadly.
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#75 Oct 28 2010 at 1:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Comeoooooon musketeer release....What I can always hope, and dream the .dat sniffers are correct/those .dat files will be implemented
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#76 Oct 28 2010 at 1:26 AM Rating: Decent
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I have a question and a suggestion.

Question: Who cares how Blizzard does things? This post is about FFXIV.

Suggestion: Why don't you people start a Blizzard vs Square-Enix thread so you can have your jollies without cramming all of this crap down my throat?
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I have a question and a suggestion.

Question: Who cares how Blizzard does things? This post is about FFXIV.

Suggestion: Why don't you people start a Blizzard vs Square-Enix thread so you can have your jollies without cramming all of this crap down my throat?


Answer: About 11 million people.

Suggestion: Read the 'Ask the Devs' section to whoever is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read these forums. They might be distracted by laughing so hard that you can escape them and read only the threads you are interested in.




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HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#78 Oct 28 2010 at 1:42 AM Rating: Decent
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as I've already reported in another thread. the update is now live for download.
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#79 Oct 28 2010 at 1:49 AM Rating: Decent
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as I've already reported in another thread. the update is now live for download.

Great suggestion Midou! Perhaps rancidqueso could just download the update over the incredibly slow p2p and bore his captor so much that they'll fall asleep and he'll be able to escape! Keep the ideas coming!


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HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#80 Oct 28 2010 at 1:51 AM Rating: Good
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MidouSan wrote:
as I've already reported in another thread. the update is now live for download.

Great suggestion Midou! Perhaps rancidqueso could just download the update over the incredibly slow p2p and bore his captor so much that they'll fall asleep and he'll be able to escape! Keep the ideas coming!


Edited, Oct 28th 2010 3:50am by FilthMcNasty



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#81 Oct 28 2010 at 1:55 AM Rating: Good
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
Wloire wrote:
I hate to argue with you because you are quite possibly the most intelligent, no combative fellow I've met on these forums but what content did WoW serve up? I remember 6 original dungeons, in WotLK, at release, Naxx and Onyx re-done (woooo recycling), the Northrend, the Lick King quest lines, Death Knights, ummm... Battlegrounds... I guess? I mean better than CoP content wise but surely not storyline wise and WotG, two new classes, 90% of the regions were recycled with dark themes, Campaign, a much more substantial storyline, multiple new "dungeons" (not quite the same idea between both games), 3 new mini cities.


Don't think I'll argue about the storylines as even as poorly as the mini xpacs were done they were still on par with WoW post BC, but the content I mean is things to do. Heroic dungeons, raids and endgame content that allowed anyone from newly leveled 80s to seasoned vets and provided a challenge for everyone. I agree with your point about how besieged made you feel involved. I've made the same point about lower level content in FFXIV lacking this. It was even present in quests you could start at level 15 in FFXI, but lacking in this release sadly.


Besieged and Campaign were pretty **** fun for me. When I first heard about Behest I was thinking along those lines, but it's really disappointing in comparison to stuff in XI. I'd love to see improvements to Behest and other content added to go with the grind. I'd also like to see NPC sidequests & the open-world NMs they mentioned. More options besides the leve-run then grind thing we got goin' on now.
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
rancidqueso wrote:
I have a question and a suggestion.

Question: Who cares how Blizzard does things? This post is about FFXIV.

Suggestion: Why don't you people start a Blizzard vs Square-Enix thread so you can have your jollies without cramming all of this crap down my throat?


Answer: About 11 million people.

Suggestion: Read the 'Ask the Devs' section to whoever is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read these forums. They might be distracted by laughing so hard that you can escape them and read only the threads you are interested in.


FilthMcNasty wrote:
MidouSan wrote:
as I've already reported in another thread. the update is now live for download.

Great suggestion Midou! Perhaps rancidqueso could just download the update over the incredibly slow p2p and bore his captor so much that they'll fall asleep and he'll be able to escape! Keep the ideas coming!


FilthMcNasty, I just had to give you props for making soda squirt out of my nose. Heheh.
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Keep your panties on peeps, you don't get absolutely huge updates from emergency maintenance! Definitely not new jobs. They said the big stuff will be November and December.
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#84 Oct 28 2010 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
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Some of those instances of "customer support" are exactly what sickened me about WoW. If the development team is so good at what they do, why are the classes never completely balanced? why are they always being tweaked? When you become an EMPLOYER or a MANAGER it does not take long to realize that the employee who LOOKS the busiest often times is not always the most efficient or the most proficient.

Another thing is I liken it to pandering to the whims of fit throwing kids. Every time some part of a class gets modified, someone in PvP can no longer stomp a hole in that class, or worse yet, actually suffers a loss to that class and that means the class X MUST be OP---NERF IT!!! As a result, there would be patches that would take forever to download (because, of course to Blizz's credit, they have a HUGE customer base). "Oh no, the kid is throwing a tantrum. Let's do something, anything to get it to shut up"

In WoW, the ability for people to develop add-ons to the UI was huge to their success. It was also brilliant on the part of Blizzard. They outsourced a great deal of their R&D to free labor. Then they simply added the most commonly used to the UI. Brilliant actually. However, watch the outburst of cries whenever some new patch broke "Questhelper"....or any raid add-on...*Raiding postponed until DeadlyBossMods and Omen are patched* Again, the WoW community repaired these, not Blizzard. These were not included as part of the game until years later.

It brings the lyrics to a RUSH song to mind...the song is "Territories"...it is actually in reference to the world but applies to this situation just as well

We've seen so many tribes overrun and undermined
While their invaders dream of lands they've left behind
With better people, better food, and better beer
Why move around the world, when Eden was so near?

I liked FFXI because when you accomplished something, you felt it. If WoW is so great, see ya. I understand SE wants WoW customers, but I don't think every game should be made in the image of WoW customers, Personally, I don't want FF (any version) reduced to the least common denominator.

If you still have trouble wrapping your hands around what I am saying, look at it this way...

Everyone in the world would have a hot body if you didn't have to work out...The same goes for about anything, including WoW...the reason there are so many WoW players is that it is ridculously easy and spams you with rewards for mediocrity. Amazingly enough, there are players who struggle even with WoW which in turn, gives many WoW players a feeling of gaming superiority----until they log in to FF...then, they become goblins among behemoths and they no longer like it.
#85 Oct 28 2010 at 1:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Keep your panties on peeps, you don't get absolutely huge updates from emergency maintenance! Definitely not new jobs. They said the big stuff will be November and December.


This was no "emergency maintenance". We've had one of these every week. Even the market ward changes were labeled as nothing more than "maintenance".

They got 'til the first week of December, then I hope they plan on handing out another 30 days if they haven't gotten any of those "big" updates implemented.
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Amazingly enough, I seem to recall all those thing being said by WoW Devs as well.

Things like---
"We are taking a look at how "Class X" is performing in raids or "Talent X" is being used in PvP..."

"In the future, we might consider "Class X" to perform ..."

"Currently, we have no plans to alter the talent tree of "Class X"...."

"At this time, we can not go into detail about upcoming plans for "Class X", but let us say we are taking a look
at..."
(WAIT!!! There's the first one again)

You can argue if you want, but these things were said. I played a rogue and I remember patches then it seemed every class got an update except for rogue (and I'm sure it happened the same way for other classes as well...not whining about rogue in particular?. At those times, we were told as many as three of those things. For example---

We have no plans to alter Assassination talent tree . At this time, we cannot go into detail about upcoming plans for rogue but let us say we are taking a look at Blade Flurry and the impact of poisons on AoE damage.-----Or something to that effect...may even have been minced posts, but surely you can substitute in your characters class, build, and talents and find an instance where this applied to you.

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I have never had my account hacked however I have watch several guild members over the years get their accounts stolen and within a day, let me repeat that, 1 DAY they had their account back and all of their items and gold restored. THAT is good customer service. Wonder how long it takes to get an account issue worked out with SE?


and i had to wait a week before i had all the stuff back, youre playing the wrong card brother...

i'm playing wow right now, ill just paste what someone said in the tradechannel eh ;)

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#88 Oct 28 2010 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good
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Amazingly enough...In all my years of playing both, I never knew a single person that got their FFXI account hacked...However, I knew several people in WoW that had their account hacked multiple times. On the side of customer service, I think the game where I never get hacked provides far better customer service (in that aspect) than the one who is prompt at getting my account back.


Sort of like saying...

LoJack has the best customer service because my car got stolen and they found it promptly.

For me, I'll stick with Trunk Monkey and not get my car jacked to begin with.
#89 Oct 28 2010 at 2:26 PM Rating: Good
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Amazingly enough...In all my years of playing both, I never knew a single person that got their FFXI account hacked...However, I knew several people in WoW that had their account hacked multiple times. On the side of customer service, I think the game where I never get hacked provides far better customer service (in that aspect) than the one who is prompt at getting my account back.


Sort of like saying...

LoJack has the best customer service because my car got stolen and they found it promptly.

For me, I'll stick with Trunk Monkey and not get my car jacked to begin with.



The account hacking thing is just one example of SE's customer service being poor compared to another companies. I tried to restart my FFXI account, and they asked me for something like 10 pieces of information including CD keys and the original credit card number I started the account with. I was able to provide them with every other piece of information, the account name and more than enough personal information to verify it was me, but they refused to do anything for me.

When I'd originally quit FFXI I was charged for 2 extra months after cancelling my content IDs, I called up and they did nothing for me, I finally gave up when I realized the stress wasn't worth it.

I'll also add that the reason thousands of wow accounts are hacked, and not so many FFXI ones are is nothing to do with SEs security, and more to do with it being more profitable in wow.
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Celebcarca wrote:
Amazingly enough...In all my years of playing both, I never knew a single person that got their FFXI account hacked...However, I knew several people in WoW that had their account hacked multiple times. On the side of customer service, I think the game where I never get hacked provides far better customer service (in that aspect) than the one who is prompt at getting my account back.


Sort of like saying...

LoJack has the best customer service because my car got stolen and they found it promptly.

For me, I'll stick with Trunk Monkey and not get my car jacked to begin with.



The account hacking thing is just one example of SE's customer service being poor compared to another companies. I tried to restart my FFXI account, and they asked me for something like 10 pieces of information including CD keys and the original credit card number I started the account with. I was able to provide them with every other piece of information, the account name and more than enough personal information to verify it was me, but they refused to do anything for me.

When I'd originally quit FFXI I was charged for 2 extra months after cancelling my content IDs, I called up and they did nothing for me, I finally gave up when I realized the stress wasn't worth it.

I'll also add that the reason thousands of wow accounts are hacked, and not so many FFXI ones are is nothing to do with SEs security, and more to do with it being more profitable in wow.


People also make a big deal out of account hacking in WoW without using some simple math while doing so. There would have to be 120,000 hacked WoW accounts to make even 1% of their total playerbase. I'd say Blizzard's security is a lot better than some people would like to claim.
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People also make a big deal out of account hacking in WoW without using some simple math while doing so. There would have to be 120,000 hacked WoW accounts to make even 1% of their total playerbase. I'd say Blizzard's security is a lot better than some people would like to claim.


Hacked accounts, regardless of game, are rarely caused by a security lapse on the part of the security provider. It's either a keylogger on the player's PC or someone falling for a phishing attempt or otherwise giving their account information away willingly (ie. PL service). When I hear about hacked accounts, I don't equate it to an issue with the game service provider at all. Recovery of those hacked accounts falls on the provider and while my experience with getting a hacked account recovered through Blizzard hasn't been great, the vast majority of people who have issues seem to have those issues resolved quickly and very satisfactorily.
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I did have my wow account hacked, and I felt the recovery process was completely fine. It did take about 10 days, however this was partially due to an authenticator (security token) being put on my account once it was hacked, and due to this taking place during a large 'outbreak' of hacks. However, during that time I was able to talk to customer service reps and in game GMs several times, and recieve updates as to my progress.
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#93 Oct 28 2010 at 10:07 PM Rating: Good
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Celebcarca wrote:
Amazingly enough...In all my years of playing both, I never knew a single person that got their FFXI account hacked...However, I knew several people in WoW that had their account hacked multiple times. On the side of customer service, I think the game where I never get hacked provides far better customer service (in that aspect) than the one who is prompt at getting my account back.


Sort of like saying...

LoJack has the best customer service because my car got stolen and they found it promptly.

For me, I'll stick with Trunk Monkey and not get my car jacked to begin with.


Your posts make me LoL at the absurdity of them. I just can't help replying. I really want to think that you're making a joke.

Blizzard has a dedicated class lead that monitors the official forums for every class and they will respond to questions raised by the community. No the PVP was NEVER meant to be balanced around 1v1 because that simply is not possible. Every class has it's counter class.

Trunk monkies don't exist. FF11 players get hacked too; it's just that their market share is so small relative to WoW that you hardly hear about it. Also, as someone else already addressed earlier; personal accounts getting hacked is almost never a security flaw on the provider's end. Downloading keyloggers/trojans or outright stupidity by providing account name and password to a scammer is probably the majority of the cases. If you honestly think SE's security for FF11 is impenetrable then you really need a harsh look at reality because NOTHING connected to the internet is 100% safe. So with that said, I'd prefer prompt service in restoring my chars and any lost items. Blizz has also given free authenticators while SE charges you how much??

And you don't find it odd it's always the same people you know who got their accounts hacked repeatedly? Could it be they download unreliable UIs? That'd be a shocker.

Edited, Oct 29th 2010 12:10am by AtriusAran
#94 Oct 29 2010 at 8:55 PM Rating: Default
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rancidqueso wrote:
I have a question and a suggestion.

Question: Who cares how Blizzard does things? This post is about FFXIV.

Suggestion: Why don't you people start a Blizzard vs Square-Enix thread so you can have your jollies without cramming all of this crap down my throat?


Answer: About 11 million people.

Suggestion: Read the 'Ask the Devs' section to whoever is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read these forums. They might be distracted by laughing so hard that you can escape them and read only the threads you are interested in.







I guess the part about this being a ff post skipped your eye. What I'm saying is if I. Get onto a post to read about ff maintenance I don't want to read about how Blizzard scratches its *** with a golden spatula. Its all useless and people need to stop derailing the forums. Btw takes a big man to talk smack through a forum.
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As for wonderful customer support - you have obviously never had your account hacked!


the time I had my account hacked I got it back in 2 hours after it happened, one call to blizz and it was fixed.

as for what Aurelius said about us not being wow people, that is true I'm here because I want to give SE my money, but I refuse to pay for what they released, I don't mind the grind, but the UI is just to **** slow, and no inventory sort sucks. if the retainer search pans out it would be ok.

for me, if the fix the UI I would probably buy the game.

and as for what Eske said about he EVE dev team, they are the best at that, they truly do play thier own game, because well, I've actually seem them firsthand ingame. and don't go near thier testing area ingame, you're going to get blown up.

tldr: most of us here are not haters, we want to play the game, but SE decided to pull a roflcopter move and put out a game that had some issuies that were brought to thier attention since beta, but said "they will play the game like this and like it" ... thats not working so well for them.
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blizzard loses in my eyes i can be a supreme being in 3 weeks at cap in wow and most the time i can just PVP and hide to level up while im playing another game, most people sit in queue and never leave town same old raids over and over you cant grind at all just quest & instance. **** half the accounts are RMT multiboxing gathering locations.
the community sucks *** all you see you crying that someone sucks and the plugins is truely noob mode they give you everything from automation to where everything is. you just have to control the character. i rather play a game that challenges me called ffxiv or ffxi, the games a crybaby ends up quiting shortly and i dont have to deal with it.
#97 Oct 29 2010 at 10:27 PM Rating: Decent
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The expansions released by Blizzard are just that, expansions. The magnitude of new content added far exceeds anything you would have found in FFXI. RoZ is the only offering for XI that even comes close....Everything since then is rehash of the same zones already available or re-skinned mobs.


WoW's expansions are just a level-cap increase, a handful of 2-hour instances, and a continent that I can plow through in 2-4 weeks. Treasures of Aht Uhrgan adds the same amount of content, just with jobs instead of level caps, and with interactive movies and forty-eight missions instead of walls of generic fantasy text.

The following monsters were not re-skins, and were released as part of ToAU: Colibri, Mamool Ja (several models), Lamia (several models), Trolls (several models), Qiqirn, Acrolith, Wamoura, Gears, Chariots, Wamouracampa, Flan, Automatons, Cerberus, Khimera, Hydra, Ramparts, Orobon, Poroggos, Marids, Apkallu, Dvergar, Imps, Soulflayers, Puks, Qutrub, Vampyrs, and Chigoes!

The re-skinned monsters are the generic species, like spiders, tigers, crawlers, and the like, that are added in as monsters of the environment and foster a sense of world cohesion.

The amount of detail put in to FFXI's monsters is astounding and, while they do use re-skins, they also add a staggering amount of unique and creative monsters as well. To say that FFXI's expansions consist of "already available or re-skinned mobs" is clearly untrue, as the above list (which isn't even an exhaustive one!) irrefutably demonstrates.
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