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#1 Oct 27 2010 at 3:50 AM Rating: Good
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Why was this thread locked? It seems like there was a legitimate conversation happening in the thread.

Are the admins reactions to bad PR for this game becoming so knee-jerk that it's becoming difficult to discuss this game on your forums?
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#2 Oct 27 2010 at 3:52 AM Rating: Good
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Good question, i'm guessing it was considered a troll post or something maybe?
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Ranzera wrote:
Why was this thread locked? It seems like there was a legitimate conversation happening in the thread.

Are the admins reactions to bad PR for this game becoming so knee-jerk that it's becoming difficult to discuss this game on your forums?

The OP, Jasonsnow, is a troll who posted routinely over the last few days very inflammatory "This game is ****" style posts typically in all caps (and occasionaly with such colorful descriptors). That post is actually his most seemingly reasonable one. My guess is an admin simply saw his name and auto-locked it. Much like I auto-karma bombed him.
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#4 Oct 27 2010 at 3:57 AM Rating: Good
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The OP, Jasonsnow, is a troll who posted routinely over the last few days very inflammatory "This game is sh*t" style posts typically in all caps (and occasionaly with such colorful descriptors). That post is actually his most seemingly reasonable one. My guess is an admin simply saw his name and auto-locked it. Much like I auto-karma bombed him.


I guess I missed his other posts. I just found it odd since that thread didn't seem very trolly to me.
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#5 Oct 27 2010 at 3:59 AM Rating: Good
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Ranzera wrote:
mistrik wrote:
The OP, Jasonsnow, is a troll who posted routinely over the last few days very inflammatory "This game is sh*t" style posts typically in all caps (and occasionaly with such colorful descriptors). That post is actually his most seemingly reasonable one. My guess is an admin simply saw his name and auto-locked it. Much like I auto-karma bombed him.


I guess I missed his other posts. I just found it odd since that thread didn't seem very trolly to me.



Yeah it was a fairly moderate one, but at the same time he had posted another more typical baiting thread. You can see his recent threads if you click his name. Such as this gem:
http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?game=268&mid=128799264217006424

Edited, Oct 27th 2010 6:03am by mistrik
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#6 Oct 27 2010 at 4:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't know why they would lock it, to me it's a legitimate topic. It seems most of the time on my server the population is only three digits large.. That 8 or 900 will drop even further come next month. Things already feel dead, and it's difficult to party.. Personally, outside of the increased competition for NMs, I'd like to see the servers merged.

They've already admitted they launched a poor product by the additional free month.. I don't know if they'd be willing to compound that by admitting people aren't playing, though.

Edited, Oct 27th 2010 6:08am by Coyohma
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#7 Oct 27 2010 at 4:07 AM Rating: Default
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mistrik wrote:
Yeah it was a fairly moderate one, but at the same time he had posted another more typical baiting thread. You can see his recent threads if you click his name. Such as this gem:
http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?game=268&mid=128799264217006424


Hahah, wow. Yeah, I can definitely see why they locked his other threads.
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#8 Oct 27 2010 at 4:08 AM Rating: Default
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I don't know why they would lock it, to me it's a legitimate topic. It seems most of the time on my server the population is only three digits large.. That 8 or 900 will drop even further come next month. Things already feel dead, and it's difficult to party.. Personally, outside of the increased competition for NMs, I'd like to see the servers merged.


Just curious, how important is partying? It seems to me most things can be done solo in the game. Last I played in Beta 3, I could do pretty much anything I wanted solo.
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#9 Oct 27 2010 at 4:11 AM Rating: Good
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Ranzera wrote:
Coyohma wrote:
I don't know why they would lock it, to me it's a legitimate topic. It seems most of the time on my server the population is only three digits large.. That 8 or 900 will drop even further come next month. Things already feel dead, and it's difficult to party.. Personally, outside of the increased competition for NMs, I'd like to see the servers merged.


Just curious, how important is partying? It seems to me most things can be done solo in the game. Last I played in Beta 3, I could do pretty much anything I wanted solo.



Depending on your job I've heard it becomes almost mandatory passed the mid 20's ish due to the shear grind of attaining the next level SP-wise. I cannot personally speak to this as I'm not quite that far yet, but that seems to be the consensus from reading around here.
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#10 Oct 27 2010 at 4:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Depending on your job I've heard it becomes almost mandatory passed the mid 20's ish due to the shear grind of attaining the next level SP-wise. I cannot personally speak to this as I'm not quite that far yet, but that seems to be the consensus from reading around here.


That's too bad. I kinda liked SE's mission statement about making XIV as casual friendly as possible. It would have been a healthy way to differentiate the two games.
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#11 Oct 27 2010 at 4:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ranzera wrote:
Why was this thread locked? It seems like there was a legitimate conversation happening in the thread.

Are the admins reactions to bad PR for this game becoming so knee-jerk that it's becoming difficult to discuss this game on your forums?

The OP, Jasonsnow, is a troll who posted routinely over the last few days very inflammatory "This game is sh*t" style posts typically in all caps (and occasionaly with such colorful descriptors). That post is actually his most seemingly reasonable one. My guess is an admin simply saw his name and auto-locked it. Much like I auto-karma bombed him.


Pretty close on target here (only we don't just auto-lock like that). Most of you will have missed the "AH in OCT 28 PATCH!!" thread which was a not-so-cleverly disguised quitting thread. I'm tired of dealing with it. The locked thread in question was nothing more than another trolling.

People are free to discuss the game as much as they like. That guy, however, crossed the line.
#12 Oct 27 2010 at 4:54 AM Rating: Good
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Pretty close on target here (only we don't just auto-lock like that). Most of you will have missed the "AH in OCT 28 PATCH!!" thread which was a not-so-cleverly disguised quitting thread. I'm tired of dealing with it. The locked thread in question was nothing more than another trolling.

People are free to discuss the game as much as they like. That guy, however, crossed the line.


So, in your opinion that a person who typically does not contribute to a community in a helpful way cannot accidentally contribute in a helpful way?

I hadn't seen his previous posts before I saw his locked thread and as an objective bystander that thread seemed to be a legitimate thread, especially after other posters had constructive things to say. It would seem to me that you have developed a bias against this user to the point that you would take a negative action against him(and any conversation he starts) even if the community embraces what he says.

Would you say my perception of this is accurate?
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#13 Oct 27 2010 at 5:23 AM Rating: Good
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Coyohma wrote:
I don't know why they would lock it, to me it's a legitimate topic. It seems most of the time on my server the population is only three digits large.. That 8 or 900 will drop even further come next month. Things already feel dead, and it's difficult to party.. Personally, outside of the increased competition for NMs, I'd like to see the servers merged.


It is a troll post. Merging servers would imply popularity of the game is on a downward trend. It's not seasonally justifiable to make that assumption considering a significant portion of the player base may have other obligations at this time (school) and a lot of the audience might be waiting out the time until the new updates take effect. And to be fair, much of that audience's frustration is well founded.
On the other hand, if actual subscriptions were dropping at a financially alarming rate then server merging is not typically the gauze to staunch a gaping wound.

The holiday season after the December patch, at the very least, will be most telling test of the game's popularity.
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Coyohma wrote:
I don't know why they would lock it, to me it's a legitimate topic. It seems most of the time on my server the population is only three digits large.. That 8 or 900 will drop even further come next month. Things already feel dead, and it's difficult to party.. Personally, outside of the increased competition for NMs, I'd like to see the servers merged.


It is a troll post. Merging servers would imply popularity of the game is on a downward trend. It's not seasonally justifiable to make that assumption considering a significant portion of the player base may have other obligations at this time (school) and a lot of the audience might be waiting out the time until the new updates take effect. And to be fair, much of that audience's frustration is well founded.
On the other hand, if actual subscriptions were dropping at a financially alarming rate then server merging is not typically the gauze to staunch a gaping wound.

The holiday season after the December patch, at the very least, will be most telling test of the game's popularity.


This.

And the game isn't fully released. There'll possibly be a large influx when it gets released for PS3 (how large will be determined by how effective the next two version updates are). Why shut down servers when they'll possibly want them open again in March?
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#15 Oct 27 2010 at 7:27 AM Rating: Good
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I don't know, wasn't the Standard Edition release on the 30th supposed to be a big influx of players? It didn't quite work out that way, and I have a feeling the PS3 release will be similar. There's abysmal press, and nobody wants to start an MMO half a year late.

I'm not saying to merge the servers right this moment, but I do not think the PS3 version will solve the population issues.. So I do think it's something that may have to happen early on in this game's life.
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I don't know, droves of people joined FFXI after it was already out. NA/JP PC players got it almost a year from release on PS2. NA PS2 players joined in masses 6 months after that, and the EU community jumped in with both feet that August. Certainly FFXI had a better image at the time, but I think it's a bit rushed to say that PS3 numbers will be extremely low. A good indicater if the populations jump up will be after the Nov-Dec updates and seasonal event.
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I don't know, droves of people joined FFXI after it was already out. NA/JP PC players got it almost a year from release on PS2. NA PS2 players joined in masses 6 months after that, and the EU community jumped in with both feet that August. Certainly FFXI had a better image at the time, but I think it's a bit rushed to say that PS3 numbers will be extremely low. A good indicater if the populations jump up will be after the Nov-Dec updates and seasonal event.

I think that was because a lot of people were discovering that a Final Fantasy MMO existed, to be honest -and just what a MMO was. I know that was the case with myself in 2006. Here you have more of a known, in my opinion. Maybe I'm mistaken, I hope I am, but I'm anticipating a noticable decrease in people next month; a noticable increase in March for the PS3.. And ultimately fairly meager server populations.

Edit - And of course in terms of where the game is being released, it's already out in Japanese, English, German, and French. So you won't have that huge jolt a year or two down the line of the game being opened up to a new audience. All of the communities you've mentioned have been accounted for.

Edited, Oct 27th 2010 11:12am by Coyohma
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Ranzera wrote:
Why was this thread locked? It seems like there was a legitimate conversation happening in the thread.

Are the admins reactions to bad PR for this game becoming so knee-jerk that it's becoming difficult to discuss this game on your forums?


Precedent is a *****. It wasn't the topic...it was the intent. A lot of people here could probably have started a thread asking for peoples' opinions on whether or not they thought server merges were coming and it would have been fine. Once you expose yourself as a troll, however, the outcome is predictable. It's not about controlling bad press...it's about redirecting the negativity so that those of us who are trying to enjoy the game can discuss it without having our discussions swept off the front page by mountains of crybaby loser drivel.
#19 Oct 27 2010 at 9:57 AM Rating: Good
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Ranzera wrote:
Why was this thread locked? It seems like there was a legitimate conversation happening in the thread.

Are the admins reactions to bad PR for this game becoming so knee-jerk that it's becoming difficult to discuss this game on your forums?


Precedent is a *****. It wasn't the topic...it was the intent. A lot of people here could probably have started a thread asking for peoples' opinions on whether or not they thought server merges were coming and it would have been fine. Once you expose yourself as a troll, however, the outcome is predictable. It's not about controlling bad press...it's about redirecting the negativity so that those of us who are trying to enjoy the game can discuss it without having our discussions swept off the front page by mountains of crybaby loser drivel.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Our admins are not malicious people, nor are they SE employees or fanboys that stifle every bit of bad press that surfaces. As I've said before, their goal is to keep these boards clean and civil, and trolls undermine civil and mature discussion. Admins are human like the rest of us, so I'm sure they get annoyed by people as well and may be more likely to lock down a certain person over another if that person has a history of trolling or inflammatory posts, but it's never done without reason.
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#20 Oct 27 2010 at 11:31 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe I'm mistaken, I hope I am, but I'm anticipating a noticable decrease in people next month; a noticable increase in March for the PS3.. And ultimately fairly meager server populations.


You're mistaken. I am not someone who thinks that PS3 is going to be a massively HUGE influx of players - but I do think it will be significant. There are a lot of people that were already planning on holding out for PS3 release either because they didn't want to deal with new mmo hiccups, or because they have friends who are on PS3 who they wanted to start with, or they can't afford a rig that can run this game.

SE also hasn't done any advertising at all. Yeah the reviews have been bad so far but the percentage of the overall population (even gamer population) reading those reviews is small. Also anyone who is interested in mmos at all knows that in six months a game can change a lot. If you want to play on console it isn't as if you have a lot of mmos to choose from either. I expect that the advertising that never happened for PC release will happen for PS3 release because SE has to know that PS3 release will be their only chance to turn things around for the game in a big way.

They will also get new reviews because of it being on PS3 - the console market is not identical to the PC gaming market. Those reviews will be a chance for SE to rewrite history. If they are smart they will also introduce new jobs at PS3 (probably arcanist and muskateer, given those guilds are already in game)
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Ranzera wrote:
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Pretty close on target here (only we don't just auto-lock like that). Most of you will have missed the "AH in OCT 28 PATCH!!" thread which was a not-so-cleverly disguised quitting thread. I'm tired of dealing with it. The locked thread in question was nothing more than another trolling.

People are free to discuss the game as much as they like. That guy, however, crossed the line.


So, in your opinion that a person who typically does not contribute to a community in a helpful way cannot accidentally contribute in a helpful way?

I hadn't seen his previous posts before I saw his locked thread and as an objective bystander that thread seemed to be a legitimate thread, especially after other posters had constructive things to say. It would seem to me that you have developed a bias against this user to the point that you would take a negative action against him(and any conversation he starts) even if the community embraces what he says.

Would you say my perception of this is accurate?

No response whatsoever

I'll take that as an admission of guilt.

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Ranzera wrote:
Why was this thread locked? It seems like there was a legitimate conversation happening in the thread.

Are the admins reactions to bad PR for this game becoming so knee-jerk that it's becoming difficult to discuss this game on your forums?


Precedent is a *****. It wasn't the topic...it was the intent. A lot of people here could probably have started a thread asking for peoples' opinions on whether or not they thought server merges were coming and it would have been fine. Once you expose yourself as a troll, however, the outcome is predictable. It's not about controlling bad press...it's about redirecting the negativity so that those of us who are trying to enjoy the game can discuss it without having our discussions swept off the front page by mountains of crybaby loser drivel.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Our admins are not malicious people, nor are they SE employees or fanboys that stifle every bit of bad press that surfaces. As I've said before, their goal is to keep these boards clean and civil, and trolls undermine civil and mature discussion. Admins are human like the rest of us, so I'm sure they get annoyed by people as well and may be more likely to lock down a certain person over another if that person has a history of trolling or inflammatory posts, but it's never done without reason.


Also, like people, Admins are not infallible. Admins from this site have historically intervened based on what a person says and not who says them. Though, in a few cases they have taken a persons consistent trolling over months as a reason to mute them, however, that is an action against a person in general not something specifically they said. This is a break from that pattern and to me it says "If your content disagrees with what I consider ok for this forum enough times, I'll smite you regardless of what you have to say". I think this is the wrong approach and if Osarion felt justified, a mute would be more applicable, since it gets rid of offending content without causing the collateral damage of stopping already engaged constructive conversation by other posters.

And lord knows this site doesn't need yet another admin that regards the user base with thinly veiled contempt.

TL;DR;
Mute consistent trolls, don't just lock every thread they make regardless of content. It makes you look like a loose cannon.
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