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#1 Oct 27 2010 at 11:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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This is relevant to those people who are worried that having multiple level 10's messes up your chance of getting Guild Marks for the class you want.

Apparently, a Leve has a particular set of Guild Marks on it during the random creation of the leve, they are just hidden from view if you don't have the right class up to the right level.

The reason I figured this out was I had a L9 gladiator about two kills from level 10. Leves had just reset and I checked them ALL for Pugilist marks (which is my main class). Then I went and dinged 10 on gladiator and went back to town. I happened to check the leves again and one of the leve's that previously had no guild marks on it now showed gladiator marks as a reward.

This was the same leve during the same reset. The gil reward was the same, the only thing that changed was the "hidden" guild mark reward was now revealed.

#2 Oct 27 2010 at 11:38 AM Rating: Default
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regularpony wrote:
This is relevant to those people who are worried that having multiple level 10's messes up your chance of getting Guild Marks for the class you want.

Apparently, a Leve has a particular set of Guild Marks on it during the random creation of the leve, they are just hidden from view if you don't have the right class up to the right level.

The reason I figured this out was I had a L9 gladiator about two kills from level 10. Leves had just reset and I checked them ALL for Pugilist marks (which is my main class). Then I went and dinged 10 on gladiator and went back to town. I happened to check the leves again and one of the leve's that previously had no guild marks on it now showed gladiator marks as a reward.

This was the same leve during the same reset. The gil reward was the same, the only thing that changed was the "hidden" guild mark reward was now revealed.



Or this could mean that you just haponed to roll Glad marks on that Leve for this week. I don't think they are set in stone as I have not had one leve give me Glad marks. not one. and I am a lvl 36 Glad. Im sorry but im about 100% sure that it is just a dice roll for every class you have at rank 10 or higher.
#3 Oct 27 2010 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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Nice find, thanks for the information. I was afraid to level other classes out of fear for reducing chances for my main to get mark leves.
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#4 Oct 27 2010 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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Hmm, that's quite an interesting discovery. I hope it is true, and not some othe mechanic at play, as that would make me feel much better about ranking up some other classes for shard farming. Of course when we have more than 8 fighting classes, or whatnot, it may make getting a favorable leve all the mre challenging.

I'm still not 100% convinced, though, simply because I do seem to get THM marks way more than I imagine I would if it were split evenly.

Good find!
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#5 Oct 27 2010 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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Sethern79 wrote:
regularpony wrote:
This is relevant to those people who are worried that having multiple level 10's messes up your chance of getting Guild Marks for the class you want.

Apparently, a Leve has a particular set of Guild Marks on it during the random creation of the leve, they are just hidden from view if you don't have the right class up to the right level.

The reason I figured this out was I had a L9 gladiator about two kills from level 10. Leves had just reset and I checked them ALL for Pugilist marks (which is my main class). Then I went and dinged 10 on gladiator and went back to town. I happened to check the leves again and one of the leve's that previously had no guild marks on it now showed gladiator marks as a reward.

This was the same leve during the same reset. The gil reward was the same, the only thing that changed was the "hidden" guild mark reward was now revealed.



Or this could mean that you just haponed to roll Glad marks on that Leve for this week. I don't think they are set in stone as I have not had one leve give me Glad marks. not one. and I am a lvl 36 Glad. Im sorry but im about 100% sure that it is just a dice roll for every class you have at rank 10 or higher.


You're misunderstanding what he's saying. It is a random roll, but the roll is not based on what jobs you have over 10. The leve selects from all jobs, and if you have that job over 10, you get marks.
#6 Oct 27 2010 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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Seth, I agree with what you are saying, I think you misunderstood what I meant.

IEDIT: Aww, Il beat me to it and said it better. So yeah, what he said.

Edited, Oct 27th 2010 2:01pm by regularpony
#7 Oct 27 2010 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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regularpony wrote:
Seth, I agree with what you are saying, I think you misunderstood what I meant.

IEDIT: Aww, Il beat me to it and said it better. So yeah, what he said.

Edited, Oct 27th 2010 2:01pm by regularpony


I think I did. But I do think some testing is needed to see just how this effects the game. A good way to do it is have someone with only 1 DoW class at rank 20 and none of the other classes ranked up at all. And see if they ever get 0 guild marks.

The reason I say this is I am still willing to bet that they will get at least 1 or 2 leves that offer them guild marks. My thinking being that the system must offer you guild marks of some kind. people with more than one job past rank 10 will haver a bigger crap shoot than someone with only one.

I could be wrong but I have all jobs past Rank 10 and have never had Glad marks offerd from a leve. My brother who only plays Conj and Pug gets Conj marks every time the leves reset.
#8 Oct 27 2010 at 12:24 PM Rating: Good
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i was pretty sure thats how it worked. thanks for sharing your evidence.
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#9 Oct 27 2010 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Looks like a question for the developers...

I have 4 jobs at 10 or above, glad, thm, arc, and pug. I have never recvd the option for marks on pug or the two jobs I do not have above 10. I receive glad, thm, and arc pretty equally. So why not pug? Assuming we are talking the level 10 threshold theory.

Level 36 glad and not one glad mark offer? yikes...I'm only level 16 glad and I get at least one offer at each reset. Something is messed up.
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#10 Oct 27 2010 at 12:27 PM Rating: Good
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Sethern79 wrote:
regularpony wrote:
Seth, I agree with what you are saying, I think you misunderstood what I meant.

IEDIT: Aww, Il beat me to it and said it better. So yeah, what he said.

Edited, Oct 27th 2010 2:01pm by regularpony


I think I did. But I do think some testing is needed to see just how this effects the game. A good way to do it is have someone with only 1 DoW class at rank 20 and none of the other classes ranked up at all. And see if they ever get 0 guild marks.

The reason I say this is I am still willing to bet that they will get at least 1 or 2 leves that offer them guild marks. My thinking being that the system must offer you guild marks of some kind. people with more than one job past rank 10 will haver a bigger crap shoot than someone with only one.

I could be wrong but I have all jobs past Rank 10 and have never had Glad marks offerd from a leve. My brother who only plays Conj and Pug gets Conj marks every time the leves reset.


What exactly do you mean by 0 guild marks? Not getting guild marks, or getting a reward that says 0 marks for a class you don't have above 10? I have a 17 PGL, high enough to get marks (I have over 10k PGL marks), and a 7 CON who can't get marks, and I have gone 3 resets without getting marks before. Edit: and that was checking all level 20 leves in each city for 5 days.

Edited, Oct 27th 2010 2:29pm by Ilmoran
#11 Oct 27 2010 at 12:47 PM Rating: Good
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Ilmoran wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
regularpony wrote:
Seth, I agree with what you are saying, I think you misunderstood what I meant.

IEDIT: Aww, Il beat me to it and said it better. So yeah, what he said.

Edited, Oct 27th 2010 2:01pm by regularpony


I think I did. But I do think some testing is needed to see just how this effects the game. A good way to do it is have someone with only 1 DoW class at rank 20 and none of the other classes ranked up at all. And see if they ever get 0 guild marks.

The reason I say this is I am still willing to bet that they will get at least 1 or 2 leves that offer them guild marks. My thinking being that the system must offer you guild marks of some kind. people with more than one job past rank 10 will haver a bigger crap shoot than someone with only one.

I could be wrong but I have all jobs past Rank 10 and have never had Glad marks offerd from a leve. My brother who only plays Conj and Pug gets Conj marks every time the leves reset.


What exactly do you mean by 0 guild marks? Not getting guild marks, or getting a reward that says 0 marks for a class you don't have above 10? I have a 17 PGL, high enough to get marks (I have over 10k PGL marks), and a 7 CON who can't get marks, and I have gone 3 resets without getting marks before. Edit: and that was checking all level 20 leves in each city for 5 days.

Edited, Oct 27th 2010 2:29pm by Ilmoran


Then this system is just busted. I was realy thinking of restarting thinking that I had gimped my self with all the jobs past lvl 10. Now I am starting to think that it is SE system that is gimping some of us. And I am not the only one who has had this problem. Iv seen a few others talk about it. There is no reason we should go 3 resets in your case or in my case never geting guild marks out side of the Guild quest.

What this will end up doing is having people who have all of there Guild skills befor rank cap and others who are lucky to get 1 or 2. Its kinda one of them Haves and have nots. People who get lucky with they system will not understand why people like me are so ******* It seems that I am veary unlucky.
#12 Oct 27 2010 at 12:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Why not just rank up? Once you hit ~30, you will be receiving more Guild Marks than you know what to do with..... I don't see what the big rush is to get all of your marks at Rank 13.... The abilities aren't game breaking or anything....
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#13 Oct 27 2010 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
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Sethern79 wrote:
I think I did. But I do think some testing is needed to see just how this effects the game. A good way to do it is have someone with only 1 DoW class at rank 20 and none of the other classes ranked up at all. And see if they ever get 0 guild marks.

The reason I say this is I am still willing to bet that they will get at least 1 or 2 leves that offer them guild marks. My thinking being that the system must offer you guild marks of some kind. people with more than one job past rank 10 will haver a bigger crap shoot than someone with only one.

I could be wrong but I have all jobs past Rank 10 and have never had Glad marks offerd from a leve. My brother who only plays Conj and Pug gets Conj marks every time the leves reset.


I have LNC at 16 and CNJ at 9 (so not eligble for CNJ marks). I have had leve resets where I have teleported through all 3 cities and I do not get offered any guild marks. I feel like about 1/2 to 1/3 of my leve resets offer a guild mark quest for my LNC.

Do people with multiple classes at 13+ find that multiple quests offer guild marks during a single reset? That would indicate to me that the OP is on to something when compared against my experience.
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#14 Oct 27 2010 at 5:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Last reset I stayed in LL to do leves. I got 3 offers, one for Pugilist, one for Conjurer and one for Marauder. Yes, all three leves were for marks, no option for gil. Prior to that I picked up Marauder and Thaumagury and one other gil type. There may be something to this theory if it were infact to be a random roll which unlocking that levels leves could switch from gil to marks.

I.e.

City
Leve 1 random rolls Conj (Check Conj <10+ = Gil)
Leve 2 random rolls Gil Reward (No choice possible)
Leve 3 rolls Glad (Check Glad <10+ = Gil)

Also since there are more then 3 leves you get offered a random leve set, not the same every time. So you could basically get offered marks on a leve you SHOULD have rolled but didn't get through bad luck. Such a system probably has something to do with birth date or whatever crazy thing SE decided back scenes or just randomized it through some string type.

One thing though, I get more marks with many 10+ jobs then I did with 1 main. It actually has been hurting my gil sources because I've had nothing but marks for almost 3 resets now.
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#15 Oct 27 2010 at 5:55 PM Rating: Good
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NayliaMR wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
I think I did. But I do think some testing is needed to see just how this effects the game. A good way to do it is have someone with only 1 DoW class at rank 20 and none of the other classes ranked up at all. And see if they ever get 0 guild marks.

The reason I say this is I am still willing to bet that they will get at least 1 or 2 leves that offer them guild marks. My thinking being that the system must offer you guild marks of some kind. people with more than one job past rank 10 will haver a bigger crap shoot than someone with only one.

I could be wrong but I have all jobs past Rank 10 and have never had Glad marks offerd from a leve. My brother who only plays Conj and Pug gets Conj marks every time the leves reset.


I have LNC at 16 and CNJ at 9 (so not eligble for CNJ marks). I have had leve resets where I have teleported through all 3 cities and I do not get offered any guild marks. I feel like about 1/2 to 1/3 of my leve resets offer a guild mark quest for my LNC.

Do people with multiple classes at 13+ find that multiple quests offer guild marks during a single reset? That would indicate to me that the OP is on to something when compared against my experience.


I would say that I get 4 leve each reset that offer Guild marks. (none of them Glad but thats another rant!) And seeing as people like you and another poster have had resets with no Guild marks at all seems to say that the OP is on to somthing here.
#16 Oct 27 2010 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
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AceAmallie wrote:
One thing though, I get more marks with many 10+ jobs then I did with 1 main. It actually has been hurting my gil sources because I've had nothing but marks for almost 3 resets now.


I've got all fighting jobs at Rank 10 with the exception of 17 Gladiator. Archery is my most experienced of the rest at just 322/5700SP. The majority of the Points which are offered to me are Marauder (155/5700) and Conjury (79/5700) with Lancer (218/5700) coming in at a distant third. I've only gotten 3 offers of Gladiator leves and thats checking all 3 cities each reset.

At first it wasn't too bad because 2 of the 3 would be 15k+ gil with 1 for points. I always went for the gil. Then I did a Faction leve and found out that you can't get points if you're not doing the leve as that job. I had assumed you still got the points, it would just be for a job you'd (probably) rather it not be for. I was pretty shocked to be told (Upon starting the leve, not accepting it) that I would be getting no points. Thankfully I ended up still getting some r/e Onion Gaskins. Since doing the faction leve the Rank 20 ones seem to have gone to almost all guild points and no gil at all.

So... all my R20s give me rewards that only my R10s can even receive, but I can't do them as R10. My options are do them for no reward as the class I've ranked, or not do them? Sure there's encreased SP with Favor, but when soloing a R20 as R17 I can crush 2Stars so fast for no gain, but 3Star's near impossible so whatever skills I do see, I never receive because I can't kill the mobs.
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#17 Oct 27 2010 at 7:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Sethern79 wrote:
Or this could mean that you just haponed to roll Glad marks on that Leve for this week. I don't think they are set in stone as I have not had one leve give me Glad marks. not one. and I am a lvl 36 Glad. Im sorry but im about 100% sure that it is just a dice roll for every class you have at rank 10 or higher.


You might want to travel around a bit. Rank 36 gladiator means you've got access to rank 20, 30, and maybe even 40 (?) leves out of all three cities. Assuming 3 levels per rank per city you can't find one? I've started back into battlecraft leves last week and I've had one reset since then that didn't offer me gladiator guild marks but they weren't all offered to me from the same city.
#18 Oct 28 2010 at 12:47 PM Rating: Decent
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More marks today for me, including Glad at LL. I just hit Glad 10 last night too, so bloodshore leves offering me marks now. Definitely has to be something to this, all my classes are 10+ now except archery. Going to test OPs idea next reset.
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