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#52 Oct 28 2010 at 6:17 PM Rating: Good
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Give us a month wasn't about waiting for things to be fixed, it was about people not writing knee jerk reviews having been frustrated with some very early on issues. FFXIV is not easy to get to grips with, but after a few days you should be rolling along nicely and can then start ******** about the next stage of things thats all wrong.

Yes there are massive issues, but this is SE.... heck it could be the Vanguard, or worse Darkfall team you were relying on too correct things :P


so about those early issues you speak of that would cause knee jerk reactions.. what did they fix?

and as for vanguard, they had technical problems, I think they tried to over reach a bit, but brad and the devs were there posting on the forums telling you what was going on, not letting you guess what might happen next. they responded to player concerns and pretty much put it all out there, SE does not do that.
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#53 Oct 28 2010 at 7:08 PM Rating: Good
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I don't notice enough of a change between 9/22 and 10/28 that would affect my outlook on the game as a whole, other than less lag because of everyone who quit.
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#54 Oct 28 2010 at 7:32 PM Rating: Good
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But I'm confident that in the next update a lot of people that are giving the game a hard time will be pleasantly surprised. SE doesnt doe half baked updates.


Oh. Old faithful is blowing again. Still waiting for the "miracle patch"?
Welcome to the club. You're, like, 2 months late.
#55Khaap, Posted: Oct 28 2010 at 8:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Some of you might want to look at SE's previous history... theres a lot of it with FFXI seeing as that game has been around for longer than WOW.
#56 Oct 28 2010 at 9:07 PM Rating: Good
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I beg to differ, I've been playing since Beta Phase 1, and there has been a drastic improvment to the game, as well as the mechanics.


So SE deserves credit for fixing issues that SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED in the beta stage...you know...instead of a month after many of us drop $50-75 to play?

This game is a bad restaurant; you can tell me you are under new management all you want but I am still never eating there again.
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#57zoltanrs, Posted: Oct 28 2010 at 9:10 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Um.. did you play beta? Did you think this was gonna morph into an entirely different game? They fixed a lot of stuff and announced when they plan to fix other glaring issues. I think you may just be posting just to post or something because this is very easily argued with. The game is dramatically different in how it performs even compared to late open beta... It is faster it crashes less it is simply more stable. You seem to have thought they were gonna scrap the game and release a totally different game. That is in a word, ridiculous.
#58 Oct 28 2010 at 9:10 PM Rating: Good
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When they release for PS3 it will trigger many new reviews, and if the game is fixed it will be heralded as SE "saving the broken game and now it is great!". If they ***** up and don't get it fixed in time for the PS3 release you can pretty much carve the tombstone for FFXIV.



First off, thats a really big IF.

Second, do you honestly think that the PS3 market isn't paying attention to what is going on now?

Sorry, but this game's fate is sealed.
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#59 Oct 28 2010 at 9:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Khaap wrote:
Some of you might want to look at SE's previous history... theres a lot of it with FFXI seeing as that game has been around for longer than WOW.

SE are not big on communication. Especially on forums. In fact what you have seen posted on the official site is more than we had in a year on FFXI outside of "official patch information"

SE only do interim fixes on stuff that is broken. They will patch things in if its a change that will significantly address an issue for the players.

SE do large patches typically with three months in between each one. They are large, they usually contain quiet a chunk of content, plus changes, plus new systems e.t.c. Again go look at FFXI to get an idea of it.

If you want devs wasting time on forums discussing with players the ins and outs of their one particular issue then there is other games that do that much better. Personally I'm happy for the Devs to be coding and not sitting on forums.

I don't think any review is worthwhile until after the November patch. Once that first large patch is out the state of the game will be a lot clearer. Until then, enjoy it for what it is, or dont play it till then.


LMAO, are you trying to tell us to count ourselves lucky they (SE) have acknowledge us? Let SE keep it up cause times have changed. The MMO market is not where near the barren landscape it was 7 years ago. Companies have also changed how gamers interact with them.

I still can not for the life of me understand how people can come on hear and say wait till X date for a review. You let that happen and you'll have crappier launches after crappier launches. Whats the point of a release if there is nothing to keep a company in check from deliverying piece of crap. You sell the game, people are buying it, then it is up for review. No Fing wait a few month till our game is polished a little before you review bullSh*t. How do we even know they will deliver on Nov. It is just a scheduled date. If SE launched it then they are subjected to gaming sites reviewing what is current and live, not what is promised down the road.
#60 Oct 28 2010 at 10:05 PM Rating: Good
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Khaap wrote:
Some of you might want to look at SE's previous history... theres a lot of it with FFXI seeing as that game has been around for longer than WOW.

SE are not big on communication. Especially on forums. In fact what you have seen posted on the official site is more than we had in a year on FFXI outside of "official patch information"

SE only do interim fixes on stuff that is broken. They will patch things in if its a change that will significantly address an issue for the players.

SE do large patches typically with three months in between each one. They are large, they usually contain quiet a chunk of content, plus changes, plus new systems e.t.c. Again go look at FFXI to get an idea of it.

If you want devs wasting time on forums discussing with players the ins and outs of their one particular issue then there is other games that do that much better. Personally I'm happy for the Devs to be coding and not sitting on forums.

I don't think any review is worthwhile until after the November patch. Once that first large patch is out the state of the game will be a lot clearer. Until then, enjoy it for what it is, or dont play it till then.


Devs in most other games don't "waste time" on forums, they pay Community Managers to relay info to the players. Hmm, who's SE's CM again? Oh, yeah.

And you don't think any review befor November is worthwhile? WHy is that? Are they releasing in November? Are there no boxes for sale on shelves yet? Is the game not live yet? Oh wait, the game is already going into its second month after release in two days, you say? Reviews are valid and very worthwhile.

And as far as the rest, if SE wishes to continue what you think is "normal" for them with FFXI, then I hope SE has a F2P contingency plan already laid out unless they're happy with their "new" mmo having even less subs than their old one.
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#61 Oct 28 2010 at 10:58 PM Rating: Good
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Telling the media "Please wait one month before you review the game" is like telling computer users "Please ensure everything is plugged in correctly and try rebooting your computer and router/modem before calling us". There's logical reasoning behind it; it makes total sense, and some people might actually do it... but most people will disregard your request and you just have to accept that as an inevitability.

I still keep coming back to the question of: If you weren't proud enough of your product that you want it to be reviewed IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION, then why did you want your customers to pay $50/$75 for it in that same condition?

Again, I get the logic behind why you would want an MMORPG to have a little breathing room before passing judgment, but as far as I'm concerned, once I've laid down my cash for it, reviews and gossip are not fair game. It's one thing to put an NDA on a beta but it's another entirely to try to put an NDA on a retail product that is commercially available.
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#62 Oct 28 2010 at 11:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Here's a perfect video review by a paying player that sums up FFXIV's failings pretty well. Don't watch if you can't handle a few cuss words ( which are probably the same ones uttered by most FFXIV players before very long in the same situations ).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Wz-dKGifM

There is no way anyone can say this is not a worthwhile review as it's all laid out for you in video.


Edited, Oct 29th 2010 1:42am by Zorvan
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#63klepp6761, Posted: Oct 29 2010 at 12:50 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) yea why didnt they think of that? allt hey had to do was add an ah and they coulda tipped all the reviews in their favor!11 err wait.. I hate when i read things that are so stupid they actually compell me to set down my controller and respond. arghgh re read what you wrote slowly and tell me if you still believe it pls..
#64 Oct 30 2010 at 1:50 AM Rating: Good
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I think it would be nothing less than a miracle at this point to save this game. It's all about first impressions. The fact that so many people probably spent 2k just to play this game just to be extremly disappointed is just another slap in the face. How can a game be fixed that that has this bad of a foundation?
I couldn't imagine the amount of people who have already stopped playing this game or have decided to not play the game all together already. Can anyone think of any MMO that has been this bad in the last 12 years or even remotely close? I can't beleive that after all of the good FF games they put out that they made this. I would be suprised if there is a single person who isn't disapointed or would recommend this game to anyone. How could it be possible to redeem this game after the bad image people already have.
#65 Oct 30 2010 at 2:31 AM Rating: Good
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The only way I can see this working, is to shut the game down, rework all the things that was said in the forums and reviews, take it 3-5 months in testing, give every account 1 free month to try the game again.

This 1 week patch will kill the game before we see December.

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