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#1 Oct 28 2010 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
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I've been wanting to learn a new language for a while, and given I love a lot of Japanese stuff (like any video game player who owned a console) I might as well start with their native tongue.

I've heard there isn't much chatting in game, and I saw that myself in open beta, but I assume partly it's due to English not being the lingua franca of FF MMOing.

Do Japanese players chat? I didn't see much in open beta, so I assume they're primarily chatting in LS like everyone else, but are there a lot of chances for cross-cultural interaction once you get into crafting and partying? (I didn't do either when I played open beta.)
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#2 Oct 28 2010 at 10:48 AM Rating: Default
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Honestly, I've only seen a few japanese players in Besaid and I play all around the clock... so they are either very reserved or just not there.
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#3 Oct 28 2010 at 11:09 AM Rating: Decent
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I think you can help improve your japanese, but since a lot of typed languages use slang I would say it is probably not the best way to formally learn the language.
#4 Oct 28 2010 at 11:25 AM Rating: Good
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I would suggest a couple things:

1) Go to youtube and search for Namasensei. If you are easily offended by excessive unnecessary swearing, you might want to skip this.

2) My Japanese Coach for Nintendo DS is a pretty nice "Game", but if you want to use it, you have to approach it wanting to learn Japanese, not wanting to play a game. If you do what I did and try to "beat the game", you will overload your brain and forget everything you've learned. As the in-game "teacher" says, "Learning the alphabet does you no good if you've forgotten ABC by the time you get to the end"

3) Memorize Hiragana and then Katakana. You may have some trouble with the Kanji, but even if you don't know what "あなたはばかです" means, so long as you can read "anata wa baka de-su", you can at least type it into a translator online and figure it out.

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#5 Oct 28 2010 at 12:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Im taking Japanese in College for sh*ts & giggles pretty much. Its a great program and nothing beats a small classroom setting, but we use this site as well as the textbooks of the same name. http://www.marinebat.com/nakama/ If you get the textbook you can study on your own, its all very well organized so you can study on your own and learn a lot. The website also has interactive exercises. great tool to learn with.
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#6 Oct 28 2010 at 1:04 PM Rating: Good
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I've been wanting to learn a new language for a while, and given I love a lot of Japanese stuff (like any video game player who owned a console) I might as well start with their native tongue.

I've heard there isn't much chatting in game, and I saw that myself in open beta, but I assume partly it's due to English not being the lingua franca of FF MMOing.

Do Japanese players chat? I didn't see much in open beta, so I assume they're primarily chatting in LS like everyone else, but are there a lot of chances for cross-cultural interaction once you get into crafting and partying? (I didn't do either when I played open beta.)


While watching Japanese players converse in game can be helpful to a degree after you;ve learned the basics, I think as far as actually learning the language your going to find it very limited in its usefulness. I would suggest, if your serious about wanting to learn at least some Japanese on the side (EG, by yourself and not through classes) you look into the following:


If you've got an Iphone (or even if you don't as there is a computer version for the first) I strongly recommend you look into these two programs/Apps:

First is a program for both the Iphone and computer titled Human Japanese (free Iphone version has nice parts and will teach you Katakana/Hiragana basics, paid is 10 bucks for Iphone, 30 for compy and imo well worth it.): it takes you through learning Hiragana in small chunks, showing you stroke patterns and pronunciations 5 characters at a time then repeats for Katakana. I found this to be an excellent way to memorize both syllabary, from there it proceeds into some vocabulary and basic sentence structure. All in all a great introduction with a very nice presentation.

Secondly is a Iphone App titled Tae Kim's guide to Learning Japanese. This one is a bit more text-bookish I find in presentation then Human Japanese but it introduces and explains Kanji almost from the start, as well as more in depth grammar. Memorizing Hirgana and Katakana is fine, but unless you work on learning Kanji you will never be able to read anything in Japanese that wasn't written explicitly for foreigners and/or children.

I've actually found my various (I have several and always look for more) Iphone apps to be extremely helpful in picking up Japanese, and many are either very cheap or totally free (of course, you gotta pay mind to reviews to make sure what your getting is correct). Last but not least, I do have Rosetta Stone: Japanese Lvl 1-3 but honestly..I'm less impressed with this much hyped program then I am with the far cheaper alternatives I mentioned above. Still it takes a unique means of teaching you visually that some may find helpful.

If you can find people speaking Japanese in game it can certainly aid you in learning, as the key to learning any language is constant practice. It doesn't matter if your reading the back of a tampon box, just read and you will start to learn. I've seen a few Jp players shouting in city chat, and I've yet to find anyone with the party recruiting tool who "wasn't" Japanese. The big problem here is, firstly many Japanese players tend to be a bit reluctant to group with non-Japanese speaking players, and even if you do you may find it hard to make heads or tails of any of it while playing. That said, nothing beats having a fluent speaking friend when learning a new language so it can't hurt to look around.

One thing I would strongly recommend is not to spend much time learning Romaji (Japanese words spelled using the english roman alphabet). It's fine until you can start reading Kana, but try to move on as quickly as possible as Romaji has extremely limited usefulness.

Good luck in your ventures! I personnally find Japanese to be a very interesting language, and it's lovely to write.
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#7 Oct 28 2010 at 1:37 PM Rating: Decent
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whatever you do, DON'T use the auto translate feature for more than one word (sometimes two).
I really hoped all the English people would have stopped speaking exclusively in auto translate in FFXIV, its actually funny to see some who never played FFXI look at these noobs like "WHAT?!"

(Help me out!) teleport gridania (money) (May) (bee)
is translated to:
Rescue me! *~@*()J ((IJ6$% money month of May yellow stinging insect. (you sound like idiots, stop it)
#8 Oct 28 2010 at 3:26 PM Rating: Good
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If you are just starting to learn Japanese, then no, FFXIV won't be of much use to you. However, it is a great way to reinforce what you already know provided you are at an intermediate to advanced level. Japanese players won't sit there and type everything in hiragana or katakana with perfect grammar for you. They will use kanji and slang and shorten common words to 2-3 syllables.
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