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#1 Oct 29 2010 at 12:52 AM Rating: Decent
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-crafting. Insane grind
-leveling. insane grind
-traveling. massive time sink


god **** it...i already have one job i dont need another. does square enix have no idea how to connect FUN with GAMING?
#2 Oct 29 2010 at 12:55 AM Rating: Default
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Its not really a grind, least not till you hit 20, but it is just not fun....
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#3 Oct 29 2010 at 12:57 AM Rating: Default
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Aren't they going to be releasing something above linkshells - companies? I guess you can refer to your XIV friends as co-workers.

I don't think the grind is what's ailing this game, though. This is a Final Fantasy MMO, you should know going in that it'll be a while before you're getting near the cap (save for the few absurd people who hit R50 recently).
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#4 Oct 29 2010 at 1:52 AM Rating: Decent
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I guess I'm just not really sure where people were expecting to be a month into the game that they're looking at their rank/physical level and feeling disappointed. Ever since these forums were created when the game was announced it has been flooded with people complaining about other MMOs that are "too easy" and how you can level to the cap in a few weeks, and now we've got a game where the average Joe is going to take at least a few months to hit the cap and people are saying it's too slow?

I enjoy the combat with my Gladiator. I didn't enjoy it so much with Thaumaturge. Maybe you need to try a different class?

I've found that beyond about rank 20 with any given crafting class, you have to be extremely dedicated to try and power through the ranks. At 27 armorer, I can manage 1/3-1/2 of a rank before I start to feel worn out and wanting to do something else. And that's my cue to...do something else. It becomes a job when you force yourself to do what you don't want to be doing. If you've tried everything you could be doing and still can't find something you enjoy, maybe the game isn't for you right now.
#5 Oct 29 2010 at 2:01 AM Rating: Decent
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I guess I'm just not really sure where people were expecting to be a month into the game that they're looking at their rank/physical level and feeling disappointed. Ever since these forums were created when the game was announced it has been flooded with people complaining about other MMOs that are "too easy" and how you can level to the cap in a few weeks, and now we've got a game where the average Joe is going to take at least a few months to hit the cap and people are saying it's too slow?

I enjoy the combat with my Gladiator. I didn't enjoy it so much with Thaumaturge. Maybe you need to try a different class?

I've found that beyond about rank 20 with any given crafting class, you have to be extremely dedicated to try and power through the ranks. At 27 armorer, I can manage 1/3-1/2 of a rank before I start to feel worn out and wanting to do something else. And that's my cue to...do something else. It becomes a job when you force yourself to do what you don't want to be doing. If you've tried everything you could be doing and still can't find something you enjoy, maybe the game isn't for you right now.


i dont think you understand my thread.....

it's the manner in which you do things that feel like a giant chore. I woudn't mind leveling up slowly if it was actually fun.

**** puts me to sleep.
#6 Oct 29 2010 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Aurelius wrote:
I guess I'm just not really sure where people were expecting to be a month into the game that they're looking at their rank/physical level and feeling disappointed. Ever since these forums were created when the game was announced it has been flooded with people complaining about other MMOs that are "too easy" and how you can level to the cap in a few weeks, and now we've got a game where the average Joe is going to take at least a few months to hit the cap and people are saying it's too slow?

I enjoy the combat with my Gladiator. I didn't enjoy it so much with Thaumaturge. Maybe you need to try a different class?

I've found that beyond about rank 20 with any given crafting class, you have to be extremely dedicated to try and power through the ranks. At 27 armorer, I can manage 1/3-1/2 of a rank before I start to feel worn out and wanting to do something else. And that's my cue to...do something else. It becomes a job when you force yourself to do what you don't want to be doing. If you've tried everything you could be doing and still can't find something you enjoy, maybe the game isn't for you right now.



not a big mmo guy huh? I remember FF11 back when i was single. I would get home from work about 4 take a shower, log in to the game and put my self in the lfg system, go fix soemthimg to eat and a huge glass of sweet tea. I would come back and start yelling if I have not found a party yet. The i would spend about 6pm - 3amish playing having fun laughing enjoying the difficulty and loving the success. I would only log because i had to get some sleep before work the next day.

I now have a family and job I can only play a couple hours a day if that and I cancelled my account because I could not even fathom forcing myself to do something so dull and lifeless just because I wanted to like the game. I did want to like, **** i wanted to love this game, but I can't it is not ready for release it sucks and I again played a lack luster FF in which i wish SS would have never became SE
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#7 Oct 29 2010 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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To me it's the repetitive generic leve quests that I've done ad nauseum to the point where they've become essentially a second job. Every leve reset I log in and go through the motions, not because it's fun, but because I need the experience and gil to continue. I'm getting to the point where I realize now, 'hey, I do this in real life! It's called a job!'. Oh the irony of working one job so I can get money to pay for the priviledge of working another job.

I don't mind the slow leveling curve or the grind. I loved FFXI. But the various job roles and dynamic party makeups made that game interesting for me. FFXIV has none of that. Every job essentially functions the same way, and every party I've been in functions as a group of individuals doing the same thing they'd be doing solo, rather than a strategic unit. There isn't even any challenge in the main story, since it had to be dumbed down for crafters to be able to complete it.

Edited, Oct 29th 2010 4:34pm by Calispel
#8 Oct 29 2010 at 2:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Getting into a party was exciting in FFXI, "we got a bard, awwwww yeah!" I feel the same way, we all doing the same thing that we did solo. I was in a party with 10 ppl, 2 healers. 8 ppl bashing on a crab, I couldnt figure out what the heck was going on. It did not matter though, after a while the mob was dead.
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#9 Oct 29 2010 at 2:41 PM Rating: Decent
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I still trying to figure out why people say that this game fit there real life perfectly as casual players.
After rank 15 on any class it take forever to rank up,At rank 21 marauder i can barely get 500 SP with leves and getting a party is a nightmare lol and i need 22000 to rank up, i dont see this been for casual players if you need like 8-10 hours to get 1 single leves wtf.
#10 Oct 29 2010 at 2:50 PM Rating: Decent
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I still trying to figure out why people say that this game fit there real life perfectly as casual players.
After rank 15 on any class it take forever to rank up,At rank 21 marauder i can barely get 500 SP with leves and getting a party is a nightmare lol and i need 22000 to rank up, i dont see this been for casual players if you need like 8-10 hours to get 1 single leves wtf.


I dunno dude, I am a squishy conjurer... at r21 - I can solo wolves in Coerthas for 100-200 SP each. Yeah - still slow but if I wanted to level CON I could do it. If you only get 500 SP from leves maybe you need to try getting SP out of leves.

Anyway, there are not really any abilities that interest me on CON for several ranks... so I switched to THM.

I am not going to dispute that there is a pretty crazy curve - but when it comes to getting "something" accomplished - one night this week I leveled THM from 8-12 or so. Doing so got me a whole bunch of fire crystals (around 50) not to mention countless shards of every type - so I picked up a couple new DoH tools - and I will be getting a couple new crafts to 10 in the next little while.

So as for this game not being for "casual" players - I don't buy it. Unless "casual" players are demanding that the whole game be dumbed down so you can get a rank of anything at any point in an evening play-session ... well then I say GTFO and go play farmville or something.

Yeah, when you get to a higher rank it takes longer to get the next rank. I expect that. However - before you blame the game for your lack of progress - why not ask for advice on how to improve YOUR performance as a player?

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#11 Oct 29 2010 at 2:53 PM Rating: Good
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Current Location = Work

Location Desired = Home

Activity of Preference = Playing Final Fantasy XIV

In conclusion playing Final Fantasy doesn't feel like work to me.
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#12 Oct 29 2010 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
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double poast >.>

Edited, Oct 29th 2010 1:55pm by Olorinus
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When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.


#13 Oct 29 2010 at 2:55 PM Rating: Good
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Grand Master Tailor SsXTricKeY wrote:
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why does ffxiv feel so much like work?



Current Location = Work

Location Desired = Home

Activity of Preference = Playing Final Fantasy XIV

In conclusion playing Final Fantasy doesn't feel like work to me.


+1

This is me exactly. Two more hours to go.
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When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.


#14 Oct 29 2010 at 3:05 PM Rating: Good
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I believe it is not the grind but the process by which they make you do repetitive clicks to get anything done. There is a big misconception that FFXIV is more challenging or harder then other games. It is not. All games have some form of grinding. Grinding can be entertaining with immersion of story, lore, and exploration. What FFXIV have done is make everything we do an inconvenient. Seriously, all those click here, click there, add this item, click here, are you sure, yes, click…..over and over while grinding your skill in whatever class is driving people crazy. There is nothing challenge with what is currently implemented. Everything is just a long drawn out process. Making it work instead of fun.
#15 Oct 29 2010 at 3:09 PM Rating: Good
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Grand Master Tailor SsXTricKeY wrote:
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why does ffxiv feel so much like work?



Current Location = Work

Location Desired = Home

Activity of Preference = Playing Final Fantasy XIV

In conclusion playing Final Fantasy doesn't feel like work to me.


Agreed. Nicely done.
#16 Oct 29 2010 at 3:13 PM Rating: Good
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The game itself is not hard. Its time consuming..but not hard. I have a feeling once they open up the game...there will be middle to late game activities that will require us to group up and plan...but its too soon for that. There were hard activities in 11...so there is not reason there will be no hard activities in 14. SE is in the super baby steps mode right now...partially due to being incomplete...but also partially by design. I think they want to learn what we want before they jump too far in any direction. It just sucks we have a lot of walking to do before we can run.
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#17 Oct 29 2010 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
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i want my 50 dollars back and the money i used to upgrade my computer that still runs like crap ! I am tired of hearing things will be coming well how about this keep the game free to they fix all the issues and i will keep soloing dodos until we have a group party system or a climate where it doesnt feel like revenge of farmville. The essence of any mmo is the party and socialzation of new friends not one where the best thing to do is make sure my miner hits level 50 before his main. Is there going to be a new dol where we plant the trees that the botanist pick from...do you see where i am going here. lets get a server community going.. noone can tell me who played final fantasy 11 that the best part of the game was the friends you made?
#18 Oct 29 2010 at 4:06 PM Rating: Decent
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This thread goes in the complaints department.
#19 Oct 29 2010 at 4:58 PM Rating: Default
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This thread goes in the complaints department.


yes please admins.
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When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.


#20 Oct 29 2010 at 5:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'd love to have your job if playing a game reminds you of work. My work involves staring at nothing but numbers and code for hours on end, with the occasional colored graph to shake things up.

Anyway, this is SE, there'll be grind. The manner of grind you get in XI is why I stopped playing. It got boring. Once you finally have a party and start going, it's just fighting the same type of mob over and over again.

Edit: not to mention if you do any job that requires you to constantly be triggering some ability/spell then you had no time to type to your linkshell, so there wasn't a social aspect when you were grinding.

Edited, Oct 29th 2010 6:05pm by Gadhelyn
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#21 Oct 29 2010 at 5:58 PM Rating: Default
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If my work was more like FFXIV I'd be here all day and probably do it for free.
#22mitmystria, Posted: Oct 31 2010 at 1:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) called a challenge. its easier than my job so ffxiv fun to me.
#23 Oct 31 2010 at 3:34 AM Rating: Default
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if you don't like your job... quit?
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#24 Oct 31 2010 at 5:44 AM Rating: Good
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I guess I can see how FFXIV could be relaxing to some people if the rest of their day is stressful. As an escape, I guess mind-numbing is not an awful quality.

Personally I look for a game that provides some stimulation. FFXIV provides no challenge or excitement for me. I might have given it 40 hours or so if I hadn't already tested it since alpha, but the novelty faded fast and I just can't play it now. What little meat was on the bone is gone.
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#25 Oct 31 2010 at 8:07 AM Rating: Good
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Well, i for those who say it is hard to lvl up a job, i can tell you is just matter of looking good friends. I can tell you i went into a party and got 15k SP in a like 2 hours and a half. Was really fun. The next next with another guy went to party and did other 10k. Granted you need ppl to make this game to work, also need information to where you should go grind and last you need to be in the right place in the right moment to get into the party.

What bother me is the fact that leveling craft is tedious. That a solo thing and really frustrating. In the other hand, your hard work become in a lot of gil and a good reputation in game.

Just to make things better, hope SE implemnt some kind of Skill Chain thingy so stuff won't be so "hack and slash" fighting style.


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