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#1 Oct 30 2010 at 3:17 AM Rating: Decent
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so how does the level gap for the party sp bonus work?
do all party members have to be within the 5-rank range in order for the entire party to get the bonus? or is it on a per member basis?

SE said that "you get additional bonus for each additional party member wthin the rank range"
if it's really as it says......then I would expect the latter to be true.

so it it an all or none thing? or in proportion to how much you are meeting the criteria?
#2 Oct 30 2010 at 3:52 AM Rating: Decent
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If I'm not mistaken I believe it rises a certain percentage for each member in the party to a cap if all members are within 5 ranks of each other.

Edit: Sorry to hijack your thread with a question of my own. But what I would like to know is if this SP bonus affects DoH and DoL classes. Like two DoL classes teaming up and gaining an SP bonus while they are both harvesting or two DoH classes crafting.

Edited, Oct 30th 2010 5:56am by CupDeNoodles
#3 Oct 30 2010 at 10:06 AM Rating: Decent
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My LS (JP) today told me that it's actually a little more sophisticated.
According to them, the bonus you receive is determined by the number of people in your PT who are
within a 5 rank range of your own rank. So including a super high level and a super low level player
won't change a thing for you. All that matters is the buddies who are close to you.
#4 Oct 30 2010 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
Does that mean that having one person outside the 5 Rank range will not drastically lower SP gains?
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#5 Oct 30 2010 at 1:54 PM Rating: Good
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StateAlchemist2 wrote:
Does that mean that having one person outside the 5 Rank range will not drastically lower SP gains?


Yes, that is exactly what it means!

The people outside the 5 rank range do not affect sp for those within it. I think those outside get solo sp but remember its solo hitting a much higher lvl mob so you still gain exceptionally good sp.

I was in an eft party 22-33, most of the players were 24-29, the 22 and 33 were still making nice sp and we were more often than not getting 500 a mob
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#6 Oct 30 2010 at 2:27 PM Rating: Default
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party members need to be 5 rank max from lowest to highest to get any bonus at all.

If you have a 5 point spread you get the minimum bonus.

if you are all the exact same rank you get the max bonus.

for example you may have ended some fights and seen 23 34 27 25 23 scroll by

in a more optimum grp maybe you saw 115 111 113 121 115 scroll by this is the bonus

if you got a total of 500 SP on your own in that fight with some lucky rocs your bonus is 100% wasted anyways so consider that when building parties the bonus may not be worth it.

The guy above with the JP info is wrong in groups with a more then 5 from lowest to highest never give me a bonus.

Edited, Oct 30th 2010 4:30pm by cornyboob

Edited, Oct 30th 2010 4:31pm by cornyboob
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#7 Oct 30 2010 at 3:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Per SE the PT SP bonus is if the party members are all within +- 5 levels of eachother.

Quote:
Q. What is all this hubbub about a so-called “party bonus”?
A. The party bonus is a feature that increases the amount of skill points awarded to players from combat while in a party. This feature will be in effect so long as the difference in class ranks between all party members is between the range of ±5. In addition, the bonus will be greater the more party members there are.


I read this as: All PT members must be within a 5 level range be is 15-20 or 23-28. for the bonus to kick in.

Quote:
Q. If I am in a party with someone beyond the ±5 class rank range, will I be getting less skill points than I would be if I were playing solo?
A. No. Rather, the amount of skill points awarded in these two instances would be the same, regardless of whether the player is solo or in a party. If a party bonus is not in effect, the amount of skill points capable of being obtained will be the same.


I take this as if anyone falls outside that narrow range then the bonus is null and void. so if you have a PT mainly of 20-25 and someone dings 26. the bonus is dropped until all the rank 20's become 21.


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party members need to be 5 rank max from lowest to highest to get any bonus at all.

If you have a 5 point spread you get the minimum bonus.

if you are all the exact same rank you get the max bonus.

for example you may have ended some fights and seen 23 34 27 25 23 scroll by

in a more optimum grp maybe you saw 115 111 113 121 115 scroll by this is the bonus


I'm certain this is incorrect. You can gain more of a bonus with a larger PT (more people = more bonus) within the +- 5 level range you get not the amount of people the same level. Unless you have proof otherwise.

Edited, Oct 30th 2010 3:05pm by SevenLittleChipmunks
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#8 Oct 31 2010 at 5:38 AM Rating: Decent
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how is the 5 lv spread counted??

is, say 20-25 a 5-spread or 6-spread?
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20-25 is 5
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#10 Oct 31 2010 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
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MisterGaribaldi wrote:
20-25 is 5


but there's 6 lvs within this spread: 20 21 22 23 24 25
#11 Oct 31 2010 at 2:29 PM Rating: Decent
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hiyohiyo wrote:
MisterGaribaldi wrote:
20-25 is 5


but there's 6 lvs within this spread: 20 21 22 23 24 25



yeah but there is a differnce of 5 levels between the low and top numbers:
20: 21 22 23 24 25

25: 24 23 22 21 20


I do hope that SE widens the level difference to say 10 levels or implements level sync. I have a few friends who are going to start @ PS3 launch... I holding off leveling certain jobs because otherwise they won't get the bonus.
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#12 Oct 31 2010 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
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SevenLittleChipmunks wrote:
yeah but there is a differnce of 5 levels between the low and top numbers:
20: 21 22 23 24 25

25: 24 23 22 21 20


I do hope that SE widens the level difference to say 10 levels or implements level sync. I have a few friends who are going to start @ PS3 launch... I holding off leveling certain jobs because otherwise they won't get the bonus.


Your bigger concern should be if the SP System remains unchanged up to and through the PS3 release, will there even be a game left to play with your friends, and for how long. I have personally witnessed 4 people effectively rage quit over the SP system, and they were fairly hardcore and devoted players--not casual WoW-tards bowing out in the first week or two. I'm pretty confident it is the number 1 complaint with the game now that are making (halfhearted) efforts to address the Wards and promises about the UI. Repair system runs it a close second though.
#13 Oct 31 2010 at 4:08 PM Rating: Decent
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cornyboob wrote:
The guy above with the JP info is wrong in groups with a more then 5 from lowest to highest never give me a bonus.


cornyboob is wrong we did Efts in a party of about a dozen people with levels ranging from 23-31 and everyone was getting fantastic SP.

Edit: Also to elaborate we found out that the rest of the party members only need to be within 5 levels range of the "Party Leader" so just give leadership to whoever is mid level.

Edited, Oct 31st 2010 6:09pm by fallout386
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fallout386 wrote:
cornyboob wrote:
The guy above with the JP info is wrong in groups with a more then 5 from lowest to highest never give me a bonus.


cornyboob is wrong we did Efts in a party of about a dozen people with levels ranging from 23-31 and everyone was getting fantastic SP.

Edit: Also to elaborate we found out that the rest of the party members only need to be within 5 levels range of the "Party Leader" so just give leadership to whoever is mid level.

Edited, Oct 31st 2010 6:09pm by fallout386



I think people are confusing Bonus SP points with fighting mobs that are far above their level.

Eft's are supposedly in the level 40 range. Of course rank 23-31 will be getting good SP from them.

Edited, Oct 31st 2010 7:21pm by SevenLittleChipmunks
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#15 Oct 31 2010 at 9:08 PM Rating: Default
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Lodestone says:
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Q. What is all this hubbub about a so-called “party bonus”?
A. The party bonus is a feature that increases the amount of skill points awarded to players from combat while in a party. This feature will be in effect so long as the difference in class ranks between all party members is between the range of ±5. In addition, the bonus will be greater the more party members there are.


I think it is pretty cut and dry that everyone needs to be within 5 levels of each other for SP bonus to be applied. It is pretty specifically said. Notice the word ALL. All means all. rite?
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Furia wrote:
SevenLittleChipmunks wrote:
yeah but there is a differnce of 5 levels between the low and top numbers:
20: 21 22 23 24 25

25: 24 23 22 21 20


I do hope that SE widens the level difference to say 10 levels or implements level sync. I have a few friends who are going to start @ PS3 launch... I holding off leveling certain jobs because otherwise they won't get the bonus.


Your bigger concern should be if the SP System remains unchanged up to and through the PS3 release, will there even be a game left to play with your friends, and for how long. I have personally witnessed 4 people effectively rage quit over the SP system, and they were fairly hardcore and devoted players--not casual WoW-tards bowing out in the first week or two. I'm pretty confident it is the number 1 complaint with the game now that are making (halfhearted) efforts to address the Wards and promises about the UI. Repair system runs it a close second though.



I honestly think the people who rage quit over SP did so very prematurly and before they had experienced proper party play. Yarzon and Eft are fantastic.

I hated the SP gain system at first, the sheer randomness of it. But now we are starting to understand what camps work at what level ranges, I do not care about random procs as I can make great SP partying
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what do they mean by being in the same area?
lets say I'm camp horizon and my party is in drybone, so that their hp and mp would be marked as "???"; would I still be getting the party bonus?
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MisterGaribaldi wrote:
Yarzon and Eft are fantastic.


I don't know... as an R22 con in a 10+ party with everyone in range I was only procing 0-100 on Yarzon and Eft took 3 minutes and I got 200 SP. The system is broken. Random SP is crap. It sucks. It penalizes good strategic play and makes it a nightmare to play healer.
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