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#1 Oct 31 2010 at 5:12 AM Rating: Decent
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I was just curious how many people would play a re-release of FFXI that used FFXIV's grapics engine and came with all the FFXI content [expansions and added content all updated.] Along with a MASSIVE new expansion that added massive new areas, tons of new quests and story lines, and such? And you could transfer your old character into the new game.
#2 Oct 31 2010 at 5:14 AM Rating: Decent
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no XI is fine as is

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#3 Oct 31 2010 at 5:18 AM Rating: Decent
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If we actually got some decent character customization in there, I'd be sold.
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#4 Oct 31 2010 at 6:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't know if I'd call that a re-release so much as a graphics update, which are pretty common for MMOs.

But no. Whether we loved or hated FFXI, I don't think any of us left because of the graphics.
#5 Oct 31 2010 at 6:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't know if I'd call that a re-release so much as a graphics update, which are pretty common for MMOs.

But no. Whether we loved or hated FFXI, I don't think any of us left because of the graphics.


if something that massive was done that retooled the graphical engine for the already massive amount of content in FFXI then added on an expansion that basically added a new chapter to the story of Vana'Diel, I think that would be enough to call it a re-release. But that's all just semantics.

I just downloaded the ultimate edition from steam yesterday and after a somewhat confusing credit card payment set-up and creating a character I started the game finally [about six hours ago.] I found myself thinking wow, this really is an awesome game and If SE just updated it and added on a compelling expansion that would give enough new ground for all the older players to feel like it really was a re-release [and maybe do some tweaking to the battle system just to make it feel fresh] it could see a resurgence in popularity. People may not have left because of the graphics but I mean obviously it's an older game now so they are not staying for the graphics either. [even though they still do look pretty nice.] I guess I just thought If I were running SE that is what I would have done instead of forcing all the seasoned players to abandon their old characters to start over in a different world. Idk It just makes more sense to me for a company to build on success. But I guess the developers decided that they couldn't go any further with FFXI and decided to try something new.
But this is coming from someone who is pretty late to the party and has not seen what may be the reason they didn't just try and update FFXI.

But either way they've done it now and even though it's starting out pretty unstable I think that SE can pull it together if they really try.
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I'd take a graphical update to FFXIV levels for FFXI. Heck, I'd pay $9.99 for it as long as that's all they changed.

I don't want Tanaka noticing how much fun FFXI has become and attempting to 'fix' the issue.
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#7 Oct 31 2010 at 6:42 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd take a graphical update to FFXIV levels for FFXI. Heck, I'd pay $9.99 for it as long as that's all they changed.

I don't want Tanaka noticing how much fun FFXI has become and attempting to 'fix' the issue.

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Not to derail, but how is FFXI more fun now? Serious question-- haven't played in a couple of years.
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#9 Oct 31 2010 at 8:11 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd rather shoot myself on the foot than return to FFXI. Let sleeping dogs lie.
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#10 Oct 31 2010 at 8:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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New Trial of Magians, Abyssea, Walk of Echoes, new AF (imperian). Level cap raise makes for some interesting sub job choices. New NMs in all of the abyssea zones and most can be low-manned. I could keep going but I think you get the picture. Unfortunately XIV is in the ******* atm and it's making my XI sessions much more enjoyable. With all of the new content to go through it has been easy for me to stay away from XIV till they fix ****.
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New Trial of Magians, Abyssea, Walk of Echoes, new AF (imperian). Level cap raise makes for some interesting sub job choices. New NMs in all of the abyssea zones and most can be low-manned. I could keep going but I think you get the picture. Unfortunately XIV is in the sh*tter atm and it's making my XI sessions much more enjoyable. With all of the new content to go through it has been easy for me to stay away from XIV till they fix sh*t.


Lifting the 75 cap was a desperate and cheap move.

If anything, it made me want to play the game less. I had already capped my jobs, all that was left was capping all the nuts merits. Now I have to do more levels? No thanks.
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#12 Oct 31 2010 at 9:51 AM Rating: Default
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Lifting the 75 cap was a desperate and cheap move.


I agree. What happened to all of the content that was for 75? I'd be upset to go back and find that all that gear that I worked so hard for is now useless. That is all...

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#13 Oct 31 2010 at 9:54 AM Rating: Default
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I dont see much graphical difference between FFXI and FFXIV appart from depth of field. The terrain and landscaping is still as angular and unrealistic as FFXI was.
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#14 Oct 31 2010 at 5:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I would love them to remake FFXI as a single player game with updated graphics and in depth cut scenes. If they did it right they could make it work the story lines in that game are what made it so great.
#15mitmystria, Posted: Oct 31 2010 at 6:06 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ffxi is pertty much dead in terms of them making stuff for it 14 is where there putting there money. well ffxiv is just gonna be ffxi-2 when they sort things out, just different way to access the same ****
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only ppl that are guna stay on XI will be those that cant aford the upgrade to xiv imo. yes ppl dont like xiv atm but in a few months most the problems will be fixed. they have already anounced some big major fixs in the upcomeing 2 months. so its not like there not working on it. though i wish they just waited till spring of next year to work some more bugs out.
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#17 Oct 31 2010 at 6:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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People have wanted a re-release of Final Fantasy VII with better graphics for 13 years. If they won't do it for VII, they probably won't do it for XI either.

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#18 Oct 31 2010 at 6:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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I would love it if they did that but I just can't see it happening. This is SE we're talking about and they're putting all their money/resources into XIV atm. And to be honest, I'd rather see them do something really nice with XIV before they even think about reskinning XI.

The only thing I don't like in XI since the cap increase is that no one levels any lowbie jobs anymore except when they keywhore for an abyssea party. Hoping they make a low-level friendly event to balance things out.


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ISystemXI wrote:
New Trial of Magians, Abyssea, Walk of Echoes, new AF (imperian). Level cap raise makes for some interesting sub job choices. New NMs in all of the abyssea zones and most can be low-manned. I could keep going but I think you get the picture. Unfortunately XIV is in the sh*tter atm and it's making my XI sessions much more enjoyable. With all of the new content to go through it has been easy for me to stay away from XIV till they fix sh*t.


Lifting the 75 cap was a desperate and cheap move.

If anything, it made me want to play the game less. I had already capped my jobs, all that was left was capping all the nuts merits. Now I have to do more levels? No thanks.
This. I feel stuck waiting for SE to make FFXIV good basically, because FFXI was ruined by the cap raise among other recent changes.

Yeah Abyssea has some fun activities, but it's the same areas from when we started in 2002/3 with different colored skies. There's no point to gaining more levels except to fight more things in Abyssea because we haven't had any real new areas since Wings of the Goddess was released almost three years ago. Not to mention no new storylines to see unfold. You just buy more Abyssea addons to EXP your jobs higher and higher so you can buy more Abyssea addons. Magian trials are some of the most ridiculous all-out grinds I've seen in any MMO ever. There's no skill or strategy involved, just being online at the right time to fight the right mobs for the next six months of your life. I got a few jobs to 80, raised my cap to 85, and then basically lost all interest in playing. The worst part of it all is the eventual need for support jobs to be raised almost as high as the initial level cap in the game. I don't see how they added "fun," just a lot more grinding and copy-pasted areas.

Unfortunately FFXIV is new and pretty obviously released too early, so we're stuck without a lot of content and not much direction, not to mention a bunch of bugs and other broken things. I'm really hoping they fix a lot of things and make the game good, because I don't see myself ever going back to XI and leveling all my support jobs to 49 and all my main jobs to 99 for no reason other than to finish the grind.
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only ppl that are guna stay on XI will be those that cant aford the upgrade to xiv imo. yes ppl dont like xiv atm but in a few months most the problems will be fixed. they have already anounced some big major fixs in the upcomeing 2 months. so its not like there not working on it. though i wish they just waited till spring of next year to work some more bugs out.


My rig can handle XIV with ease and I'm not paying to play that piece of garbage. I think it has a lot less to do with people's setups and more to do with the abortion SE released. When they decide to fix it I'll play it. The fact of the matter is, as old as XI is I would rather grind out levels and do Trial of Magians than sit around for days waiting for my leves to reset on a dead server.

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#21 Oct 31 2010 at 9:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Some people just need to learn to let go and move on. FFXI is so far along in its lifespan that the only people still playing it are the ones who won't leave their friends, won't leave their gear, or can't afford the hardware necessary to play a newer MMO. Mechanically, XI is so far behind anything on the mainstream market it'll never bring in enough new faces who would stick around long enough to pay for the cost of a full graphics engine overhaul. FFXI was good for its time. It's time being > 5 years ago. Not trying to stomp on whimsical dreams because I know nobody would ever in their right might seriously nurture hope that SE would ever invest that kind of coin updating such a dinosaur of a game, I'm just sayin' what I'm sayin'.
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I'd rather see SE do that to FF VII before they tried that with FF XI. Honestly, who wouldn't re-buy FF VII with this graphics engine?
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Lifting the 75 cap was a desperate and cheap move.

If anything, it made me want to play the game less. I had already capped my jobs, all that was left was capping all the nuts merits. Now I have to do more levels? No thanks.


I just read recently that you can pretty easily get like 100,000xp/hour in Abyssea. If that's true, then capping levels/merits should go insanely fast. ****, I would strongly consider returning if that's the case. One of the fundamental problems of XI in my book was all the jobs and combos that were available to play with were so inaccessible unless you were willing to grind from 1-75 all over again. For me, just doing it once was more than enough, but if things are sped up that significantly I would have a lot more options to PLAY with.

As compared to old FFXI and now FFXIV where unlocking new options requires stupid amounts of WORK.
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ffxi is actually fun now. i just started playing it again. Abyssea is one giant playground that was designed with every player's needs in mind. The new AF (while a pain to get) finally has stats that make sense for each job. New abilities post 75 are awesome. My monk has never been so kickass.

Merits have become more of an annoyance than anything, because in a good abyssea party, you're at 10/10 well before the party is over so you have to go dump them. Merit points just fall from the sky now. It's pretty great.

Clearly the new dev team loves this game and more importantly, has spent time playing it. Not to mention actually listening to player feedback. They know what's up.

Having said all that, a lot of the new content is made up of gimmicks to keep players busy for as long as SE can keep the game going on autopilot. Luckily most of that gimmicky content is pretty fun. Magian trials can suck it at this point though. I've had enough.




FFXI with updated graphics engine and a boatload of bells and whistles would be win.



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Some people just need to learn to let go and move on. FFXI is so far along in its lifespan that the only people still playing it are the ones who won't leave their friends, won't leave their gear, or can't afford the hardware necessary to play a newer MMO. Mechanically, XI is so far behind anything on the mainstream market it'll never bring in enough new faces who would stick around long enough to pay for the cost of a full graphics engine overhaul. FFXI was good for its time. It's time being > 5 years ago. Not trying to stomp on whimsical dreams because I know nobody would ever in their right might seriously nurture hope that SE would ever invest that kind of coin updating such a dinosaur of a game, I'm just sayin' what I'm sayin'.


It has nothing to do with letting go, you talk as though 14 is ffxi but better but it really isnt. 14 is a terrible game and honestly far behind many current games too in every aspect except graphics which will be wildly tamed down for ps3 and be a huge stumbling block for updates later on too "ps3 limitations". If I personally had to quit FFXI I would have to find something else, FFXIV just does nothing for me and a lot of other people (including many XI players), just cause it was made by Square doesn't follow XI players will like this game. I personally hated it to death and comparing it to XI made me see just how hollow it is.

I'm not sure I would like a cataclysm type update for FFXI, i'm not that happy with what they have done lately so more would probably kill that game for me too. I think the last year or two have been completely negative, level cap increase that was unneeded imo and a launch of a new terrible game. I don't like what the level cap did to XI and I hate XIV like no game I've ever played before, at least XI is still fun right now though. Whether it will remain so when they finalise the level increase i have no idea but no matter how much they ruin it the honest truth is a lot of XI fans will never be able to get into FFXIV and it has a very small audience outside of that.

Ultimately I think they will end up ruining XI and since FFXIV is a pretty big failure with a bleak future they will lose on both fronts, sad really since I have no other MMO that gives me any intrest at all currently.


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Lifting the 75 cap was a desperate and cheap move.

If anything, it made me want to play the game less. I had already capped my jobs, all that was left was capping all the nuts merits. Now I have to do more levels? No thanks.


I just read recently that you can pretty easily get like 100,000xp/hour in Abyssea. If that's true, then capping levels/merits should go insanely fast. ****, I would strongly consider returning if that's the case.


My First week of abyssea went something like this:
Leveled my cor from 64-80 and 10/10 merits my first run.
the next day took drg, rng and blm from 75-80 getting 10 merits on each before I went back and changed jobs
Granted I partied for like 14 hours each day but yeah XP comes easy in Abyssea, anyone who tells you different is doing it wrong.
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14 is a terrible game and honestly far behind many current games too in every aspect except graphics which will be wildly tamed down for ps3 and be a huge stumbling block for updates later on too "ps3 limitations".



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#28 Nov 01 2010 at 7:35 AM Rating: Decent
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No, I won't play XI anymore.
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First of all: It will never, never in 1000 years happen. Bottom line is it would cost too much.

New graphics engine wouldn't bring people back to XI long-term. Most of us have been there, done that for so long its time to move on. I played XI on and off for 6.5 years and definitely enjoyed it, but its past its prime. A graphics overhaul would inspire me to explore and go "yep, that's cool" "that mob looks neat!" or "wow, look at that sunset or that landscape!" but then I'd cancel again. Fighting Kirin or Proto-Omega in HD might be cool, but I've done both over 100 times and I was sick to death of it. Thats why I'm retired. New graphics needs to come with new content.



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I would love them to remake FFXI as a single player game with updated graphics and in depth cut scenes. If they did it right they could make it work the story lines in that game are what made it so great.


I never thought this was possible till I played FFXII. Once I began playing that game, I realized with a few tweaks (well big tweaks) that a similar concept could be ported to a single player version of this game.

Been thinking this for years, I see that I'm not the only one with that same train of thought.
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It has nothing to do with letting go, you talk as though 14 is ffxi but better but it really isnt. 14 is a terrible game and honestly far behind many current games too in every aspect except graphics which will be wildly tamed down for ps3 and be a huge stumbling block for updates later on too "ps3 limitations". If I personally had to quit FFXI I would have to find something else, FFXIV just does nothing for me and a lot of other people (including many XI players), just cause it was made by Square doesn't follow XI players will like this game. I personally hated it to death and comparing it to XI made me see just how hollow it is.


No, I'm talking about how XI is a dinosaur of a game and pining over remakes is silly. Anything else you took away from that is your own subjective interpretation.
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On topic: I think it would be pretty cool if they did update FFXI's graphics. I'd definitely purchase it, but probably not play it very often. I really really enjoyed FFXI for 7 years, but don't really care for the direction it went.

Off topic: I'd rather have a FFVI or FFIV remake than a FF7 remake.

Off Off topic: When did you start hating on FFXIV Preludes? Why I could of swore last week you were saying how awesome it was in about 6 posts every day. /sarcasm off

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I wouldn't expect for this to happen, but I would play it if they did. If they hadn't upped the level cap and opened a new NA server with a fresh start for all, I would probably play even with the old graphics. The only thing FFXIV has over FFXI right now for me is the graphics and servers that aren't full of level capped players yet.

If FFXI is a dinosaur game, then what does that say about FFXIV - which failed to implement even basic gameplay and UI features that were present in FFXI since release. The only problem I ever had with FFXI was that it was sometimes hard to find a party - but it was never a game breaker.
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Some people just need to learn to let go and move on. FFXI is so far along in its lifespan that the only people still playing it are the ones who won't leave their friends, won't leave their gear, or can't afford the hardware necessary to play a newer MMO. Mechanically, XI is so far behind anything on the mainstream market it'll never bring in enough new faces who would stick around long enough to pay for the cost of a full graphics engine overhaul. FFXI was good for its time. It's time being > 5 years ago. Not trying to stomp on whimsical dreams because I know nobody would ever in their right might seriously nurture hope that SE would ever invest that kind of coin updating such a dinosaur of a game, I'm just sayin' what I'm sayin'.


And playing a game that is clearly inferior (in the case of XIV) is letting go.

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Maybe it's just that XIV is so bad, but I'm actually really strongly considering playing XI again. Not only is it apparently much easier to level, but events are so much more accessible now that the level cap has been raised.
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