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#1 Oct 31 2010 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
I was in Gridania lately after a link-shell grind event, and since our resident Goldsmith was away, I made a /shout for repairs to my Brass Knuckles, offering a decent reward.

I got a tell from someone, but it wasn't a helpful "Oh hello, I'd like to repair it, please tell me where you are so I can help you" response; rather, their tell said: "if you can't fix it don't buy it."

Er....what?

A little bit piqued, I sent a tell back, asking if that was his rule regarding gear, to which he said: "it's the only rule anybody in this game should live by." He also told me, after I bounced /tells back to him, that: "...You'll suck in game later on, 90% of the in-game population level their craft and combat high, and a Pugilist should hit Red mobs non-stop even with damaged gear."

I don't know how to describe this guy, but seriously? Please don't tell me how to play the game.

And yes, I did get my repairs done :o

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#2 Oct 31 2010 at 10:27 AM Rating: Default
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QQing on Zam really showed that guy, you go get em tiger.
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Welcome to MMO, 15% of FFXI players are asshats and probably about 30% on XIV since it attracted more WoW players. Considering some of those quit or will quit it might go down to 25% ;)
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#4 Oct 31 2010 at 10:33 AM Rating: Excellent
I don't think I was even trying to QQ (I actually didn't even know what that meant until I looked it up...)

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#5 Oct 31 2010 at 10:39 AM Rating: Good
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Funny but just ignore the jerks and have a good time. (I hate the term QQ btw isnt it related to WoW players?)

Also odd that he would have such a mindset that everyone should repair themselves, I wouldnt mind being handed other's stuff to repair it'll get my skill up a bit. :)
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#6 Oct 31 2010 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
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I hate the term QQ btw isnt it related to WoW players?

lol Idk, but i know i hate the term 'toon' and also 'asshat' makes people sound very...young (to put it nicely i guess...no offense to anyone) instead i would say 'char' if i was referring to a character i made on a game. and would use ignoramus instead of 'asshat' lol can at least try to sound sophisticated while calling someone else an idiot... lol
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There are jackasses like that. I was told that crafting isn't actually a bunch of separate jobs but is only there to provide new gear. No one should actually play crafts as their main. Everyone MUST have a DoM/DoW
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#8 Oct 31 2010 at 11:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just want to say that I actually enjoy repairing other peoples gear, gil or no gil. Gives me a good feeling for helping people out. :)
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I like to hear about other people's /tells like these. It kinda makes me chuckle when someone tells somebody how to play a game, especially a MMO. I think for most people they don't have the time to level both a craft to R30 just to repair a R20s weapon and a fighting class. At some point, it becomes ESSENTIAL to /shout for repairs, I don't care who you are or how long you play. Every class has a weapon that requires different crafts to repair it's weapons that I have seen. Now, this might level out once the game grows older, when the casual players slowly gain ranks in different crafts. This guy must not have any major responsibilities, play 8+ hours a day and have mastered all the crafts to level 30+. So, now he is completely self-sufficient in a world of atleast 1K+ players and never has to rely on ->anyone<- else. Hmm, I doubt that. Why bother playing a MMO?
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This is an MMORPG, what part of that made you think you would be able to play the game with OTHER PEOPLE? -OBVIOUSLY- you should be able to play this game solo.

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#11 Oct 31 2010 at 11:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just want to say that I actually enjoy repairing other peoples gear, gil or no gil. Gives me a good feeling for helping people out. :)


I feel the same way,it is so cheap for me to repair gear.Whenever anyone ask me i always repair for free.If they want to tip that is there own volition.
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#12 Oct 31 2010 at 1:29 PM Rating: Excellent
GuiltyBoomerang wrote:

I got a tell from someone, but it wasn't a helpful "Oh hello, I'd like to repair it, please tell me where you are so I can help you" response; rather, their tell said: "if you can't fix it don't buy it."

A little bit piqued, I sent a tell back, asking if that was his rule regarding gear, to which he said: "it's the only rule anybody in this game should live by." He also told me, after I bounced /tells back to him, that: "...You'll suck in game later on, 90% of the in-game population level their craft and combat high, and a Pugilist should hit Red mobs non-stop even with damaged gear."


If the "conversation" (I use that term loosely) happened the way you write it here, then that guy obviously has nothing better to do than troll live and in /tell. Who takes the time to send a completely useless response to a common request, to a complete stranger, and impart their gaming "philosophies" (again, I use the term very loosely)?

Those quotes remind me of when I was 13 years old in an AOL teen chat room reading how someone from Wherever-the-****, USA was going to come to my house and kick my *** because I made xHotHolly619x "lol" and he didn't.

What can I say? Some people need to attack others via anonymous online chat to make them selves feel important. It's pretty sad, I would actually feel bad for the guy. My response would've been something to the effect of: "Thanks for the tip, Nostradamus. Welcome to my blacklist."

From a practical perspective, did you check this player out on lodestone? I wonder how his "rule regarding gear" will work when he's got a battle class leveled to 50, and suddenly he's got some new gear that isn't covered by his craft. "Crap dude, you better get started on that rank 1 goldsmith if you wanna fix that!"

A few people have come at me with snide, arrogant remarks. For example, I sometimes get some /sh chats going in town. Silly stuff, just for fun. I don't remember the context, but I got a reply the other night about "maybe if you understood the game, you'd get somewhere". I give this person too much credit here because I'm quoting them with proper spelling and punctuation. Lodestone showed me that he had one class barely leveled to 20. I'm not saying that level dictates skill, but assumptions sure make an *** out of some people. I replied "LOL - Lodestone (Please check it.)" Too many people open their mouths before they think, and I love when it comes back to bite them in the ***. Some people are just flat out @$$holes.

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I get enough unsolicited advice in /tells from complete strangers that it tends to stand out more than it should. I had some guy yesterday send me a /tell about my shield (Bronze Pelta +1) saying I wasted the gil on it because I could have spent a little bit more and got a Bronze ******* Scutum that would last me a lot longer. The thought obviously never occurred to him that I made the shield with bits and pieces I had lying around and that I'd be making a Bronze ******* Scutum when I was closer to the optimal rank to use it.

I was crafting at Bearded Rock this morning and had some guy send me a /tell informing me that I had just blown up a dodo leather vamps synth because red orbs are for bold synthesis and I was only using standard and wait. I ignored him and HQ'd the next synth.

I was on my way back from grinding xp sometime late last week with my gladiator and my shield (bronze hoplon) was giving me a red gear damage icon because I had neglected to bring a bronze plate with me into the field to repair on the fly. Someone sent me a /tell informing me that I should repair my gear more often because running around in all broken gear made me gimp. I ignored him, returned to town, repaired my shield and put it in my bazaar and proceeded to make a bronze pelta +1 to replace it. Oh, and my gear damage icon disappeared after I fixed my undies.

I attacked an Aldgoat Nanny last week, also on my gladiator (rank 14) and right after eating a Headbutt that dropped me to yellow HP I got a /tell from a supportive onlooker to the effect of, "lol only parties fight those". I popped Aegis Boon and alternated Sacrifice and Cure to heal myself to full and then carved me off a chunk of aldgoat ***.

For all the busy-bodies and nosey nancies I could have sworn for a moment I had been teleported back to FFXI, especially considering that in all of those cases my would-be mentor was wrong. Some people just want to seem important. They're usually better off keeping their mouth shut.
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Reebie wrote:
I hate the term QQ btw isnt it related to WoW players?


QQ has been around loooong before WoW, i remember seeing it back in the mid-late 90's on various chat sites and bbs. as far as i know it originated there.

iv actually been asked what it means before by some less experienced gamers, for any that dont if you look at it they kind of look like eyes with teardrops. QQ
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At least you're all getting people to talk to you!

My shouts for trading and repairs are all met with absolute silence.
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am i the only one who hates having to rely on someone else to repair my weapon?


i really dont like this game mechanic. It was fine for awhile, but now my crafting jobs are all around rank 10-13 and im getting pretty bored of craft-grinding. My "main job" is a rank 23 pugilist. I can't repair my brass knuckles +1 and i'd have to take goldsmithing from 13 to 18 to do so. I stopped playing.

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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=QQ


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Contrary to popular belief, QQ is not a set of crying eyes. It actually originated with the advent of Warcraft II. On battlenet, you could press ALT+Q+Q to immediately exit the match and program. Thus the term "QQ" was to tell people to just quit because they are unskilled. The term later developed and lost it's origin and is usually mistaken as crying eyes. In contemporary gamer culture, QQ has become the mainstream emoticon for crying eyes, though it is still often used in it's traditional sense.
"Shut up or QQ!"
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Those quotes remind me of when I was 13 years old in an AOL teen chat room reading how someone from Wherever-the-****, USA was going to come to my house and kick my *** because I made xHotHolly619x "lol" and he didn't.


lol.

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#21 Nov 01 2010 at 4:39 AM Rating: Good
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I got a tell from someone, but it wasn't a helpful "Oh hello, I'd like to repair it, please tell me where you are so I can help you" response; rather, their tell said: "if you can't fix it don't buy it."


You need to blacklist retards like this immediately and do not respond. They cannot be reasoned with, corrected or enlightened. They can only be exterminated [from your chat logs].
#22 Nov 01 2010 at 4:45 AM Rating: Excellent
Telaki wrote:
QQing on Zam really showed that guy, you go get em tiger.


Congratulations!

Congratulations!

On the subject at hand, the guy sounds like a real idiot, or just doesn't know how FFXIV works. If it weren't for those who deal in main crafts we wouldn't have over half the gear we do now, we'd all still be running around in weathered gear and hempen clothing. DoW/DoM classes go out, kill the stuff, bring back the loot and sell it. DoH takes that loot, converts it into something useful, and then sells it back. DoW/DoM then buys those items and uses it to get more loot to sell. The process repeats itself. For those with limited time crafting just gives them opportunities to get the most out of their time playing the game and still be an active part of the gaming community. And all you're doing using broken and weakened gear is robbing yourself of potential skill-ups. I'm pretty sure it's been proven somewhere.
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#23 Nov 01 2010 at 6:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Reebie wrote:
I hate the term QQ btw isnt it related to WoW players?

QQ has been around loooong before WoW, i remember seeing it back in the mid-late 90's on various chat sites and bbs. as far as i know it originated there.


Do people even understand that FFXI came out over a year before WoW and that any terms FROM FFXI most likly got grandfarthered INTO wow?
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Telaki wrote:
QQing on Zam really showed that guy, you go get em tiger.


Congratulations!

Congratulations!

On the subject at hand, the guy sounds like a real idiot, or just doesn't know how FFXIV works. If it weren't for those who deal in main crafts we wouldn't have over half the gear we do now, we'd all still be running around in weathered gear and hempen clothing. DoW/DoM classes go out, kill the stuff, bring back the loot and sell it. DoH takes that loot, converts it into something useful, and then sells it back. DoW/DoM then buys those items and uses it to get more loot to sell. The process repeats itself. For those with limited time crafting just gives them opportunities to get the most out of their time playing the game and still be an active part of the gaming community. And all you're doing using broken and weakened gear is robbing yourself of potential skill-ups. I'm pretty sure it's been proven somewhere.


Agree with you on all points except the potential skill ups part. I've been told (haven't seen the testing) from some knowledgeable folks in my ls that ONLY your main hand weapon suffers from weakened gear. All other items have no effect what-so-ever, meaning it's completely broken.
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#25 Nov 01 2010 at 10:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Agree with you on all points except the potential skill ups part. I've been told (haven't seen the testing) from some knowledgeable folks in my ls that ONLY your main hand weapon suffers from weakened gear. All other items have no effect what-so-ever, meaning it's completely broken.


I dunno about that. I just had a miserable time trying to finish a local levequest to make Iron Rings (rank 20 leve, rank 27 armorer, been making iron rings for 3-4 ranks now) only to find that my pliers (offhand tool that I use for rings) were at 20% durability. I got no red icon, no heavy gear damage warning when I equipped, but man were those elements destabilizing all over the **** place. Far moreso than normal. That's when I decided to check durability.

I could see armor bonuses not kicking in if your gear is broken, but at this stage of the game I don't think it would be in SE's best interest to add in the feature. Something about straws and camels for a lot of people, I think.
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... just ignore the jerks and have a good time.


Words to live by.

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TheMoreYouKnow wrote:
At least you're all getting people to talk to you!

My shouts for trading and repairs are all met with absolute silence.


haha I know how this feels!

maybe try talking in /say. For some bizarre reason there's a bad stigma with using /shout and ppl always tend to ignore me when I do it. But i've had a bit more success using /say to get something repaired. It's quite discouraging when you ask (politely!) for help only to get silence in return.. common ppl its a community game for crying out loud! Someone on these forums started an "are people in this game antisocial" thread awhile ago and I'm pretty sure I vouched for the opposite .. but lately i have begun to change my opinion. At this point I wouldn't even mind a jerk telling me how to play this game so at least I can entertain myself for a few mins with a pointless debate.

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Every online game is always going to have jerks. Especially b/c they can hide behind the wall of the internet veil and being anonymous. Just ignore them and don't let it bother you.
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He's a douchebag; ignore him. If we were meant to do all of our repairs ourselves we wouldn't have been given the option to seek repairs in our bazaars.
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#30 Nov 02 2010 at 1:18 AM Rating: Good
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From a practical perspective, did you check this player out on lodestone? I wonder how his "rule regarding gear" will work when he's got a battle class leveled to 50, and suddenly he's got some new gear that isn't covered by his craft. "Crap dude, you better get started on that rank 1 goldsmith if you wanna fix that!"



I did do that, and he has..

* R22 Pugilist
* R21 Miner
* R18 Leatherworker
* R16 Goldsmith

So the gear that comes under those two is ok...I guess :o

I am enjoying the game regardless of people like that, in fact, went on a 2-5am grind last night with a few LS buddies and we actually got helped out by a few JP passerbys who did repairs and also told us that they had finished camping a monster spot, and that we were free to take it :-)
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The funny thing is, pugilist gets screwed when it comes to making weapons. It is nigh pointless to level a craft to repair your weapon as pugilist right now. Don't believe me? Look it up!

Lvl6-Lvl29 are all goldsmith and leather synths. So you're thinking, gold and leather for pugilist right?! That's when SE gets you!

Lvl 33 is blacksmith, 39 leather, 43 blacksmith, 47 alchemist, 49 leather

Cool. Half of the time as a pugilist, I can't even repair my own weapon no matter what craft I take. It isn't even worth leveling a craft for us, since by the time you get to rank 39 and 49 pugilist you'll stop leveling your craft unless you have way too much time.
#34 Nov 02 2010 at 6:03 PM Rating: Good
GuiltyBoomerang wrote:

I did do that, and he has..

* R22 Pugilist
* R21 Miner
* R18 Leatherworker
* R16 Goldsmith

So the gear that comes under those two is ok...I guess :o


Getting your character into a position to be self-sufficient even half way to the current level cap (skill point wise, not rank 25) would require a ridiculous amount of extremely efficient playtime, and probably a fair amount of gil. This guys "rule" works fine when your battle class is level 15, 20, maybe even 25. Wait til he gets those crafts into the 20's or higher.

I planned on leveling fisher, alchemy, and cooking evenly before the game launch. I hit a brick wall in the 20's trying to do that. Despite working a full time job, taking care of a puppy, and spending at least some quality time with my girlfriend, I manage quite a bit of playtime. Of course, the fact that she is a gamer too helps a bunch. The classes in my signature are up to date.

As for getting repairs, I usually leave my character logged on overnight in the Hawker's Alley (LL), or some area near there with a lot of traffic. Putting a nice tip in there too will encourage people to maybe even go a little out of their way to get some materials to fix your stuff. In the event I've got more than 5 items to repair (pretty awesome how the gil you offer takes up a slot in your bazaar), I'll just fill my bazaar back up in the morning before work.




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I feel the same way,it is so cheap for me to repair gear.Whenever anyone ask me i always repair for free.If they want to tip that is there own volition.



I'm feel the same way too and usually I just hope I'm high enough to be of some assistance. I also do a decent amount of gathering (I've leveled all of my crafts by gathering my own ingredients) so in essence I'm repairing someone for virtually no cost to me other than the time it took to get the stuff. And even then it's not as if I wasn't getting other benefits from the process of gathering. And as icing on the cake you get a few SPs when you do it!

It's nice to help and I think that THAT is a frame of mind. Some people see it as inconvenient others a chance to help. I'll take the later every time!
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