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Party SP bonus does NOT apply when people span 10 levels!Follow

#1 Oct 31 2010 at 9:27 PM Rating: Sub-Default
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How many of you have groups on your server that are so clueless they try to explain these far out theories on how the SP bonus mechanics work? My favorite and coincidentally most frequently heard one is "it applies based on the individual" LOL they are saying that it applies to you and the people within 5 levels of you. If you cant figure out the humor in that well..

For the people who still insist theres some mystical formula that allows you to gimp my SP because you insist on having groups with people 10 levels apart, read here.. straight from the horses mouth http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=e4fcac48d0f8438c429f49b7a9b1ec6c2f1e02cb

The mechanics are very simple. If you have a group that has everyone within 5 levels of one another, you get an sp bonus. The more people you have within that range, the higher the bonus. (if you go outside of the range at all with any player, bonus disappears completely) IT IS NOT individual, it is applied to the party. If even 1 person is outside of the 5 level maximum, guess what.. NO SP BONUS FOR ANYONE.

Get it now?



Edited, Nov 1st 2010 12:41pm by klepp6761
#2 Oct 31 2010 at 9:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Skill points are so whacked out in randomness. I'd rather just grab whoever wants to party up withing an 8 rank range and start smacking piestes immediately than spend an hour trying to get the right ranks set up and cap 500sp with slow kills.
#3 Oct 31 2010 at 10:00 PM Rating: Decent
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thaaank you for clearing that up, i myself was getting tired of people coming up with lame assumptions on how the SP bonus works. it didnt take me a few days of calculations and crap to realize how the SP bonus is supposed to work. however, i too would rather not worry about the SP bonus so much considering (imho) how badly the party system and SP system both work in general atm.
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#4 Oct 31 2010 at 10:18 PM Rating: Decent
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klepp6761 wrote:

The mechanics are very simple. If you have a group that has everyone within 5 levels of one another, you get an sp bonus. The closer they are to one another, the higher the bonus. NOT individual, applied to the party. If even 1 person is outside of the 5 level maximum, guess what.. NO SP BONUS FOR ANYONE.

Get it now?




You are part right and part wrong.

klepp6761 wrote:
If you have a group that has everyone within 5 levels of one another, you get an sp bonus.


CORRECT!

klepp6761 wrote:

The closer they are to one another, the higher the bonus.


WRONG!

You can have a pt consisting of ranks: 22 23 24 25 26 22 25 26 27 24. or a party consisting of rank 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23. Both PTs will be granted the same bonus.

What grants you a bigger bonus is having more people within the +- 5 level range. So a group of 14 mixed rank 20-25 will have a greater bonus of a group of 13 rank 23's.
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#5 Oct 31 2010 at 10:22 PM Rating: Decent
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@OP
Your info is *NOT* straight from the horse's mouth. The original horse is Japanese and says:

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Q. パーティボーナスとは何ですか?
A. パーティボーナスとは、パーティを組んでバトルをすることで修練値にボーナスが付く仕組みのことです。「自身の特技ランク」と「パーティメンバーの特技ランク」の差が、±5の場合に有効になります。また、ランク差が±5のメンバー数が多ければ多いほど、より多くのボーナスが得られるようになります。


Rough translation:
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Q. What is all this hubbub about a so-called “party bonus”?
A. The party bonus is a feature that increases the amount of skill points awarded to players from combat while in a party.

(same up to here, but then it goes on:)

This feature will be in effect so long as the difference in class ranks *between you and the other party members* is between the range of ±5. In addition, the bonus will be greater the more party members *within a ±5 rank range* there are.


And to quote you:
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"it applies based on the individual" LOL

Sounds a little premature, doesn't it?
#6 Oct 31 2010 at 11:31 PM Rating: Default
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klepp6761 wrote:
How many of you have groups on your server that are so clueless they try to explain these far out theories on how the SP bonus mechanics work? My favorite and coincidentally most frequently heard one is "it applies based on the individual" LOL they are saying that it applies to you and the people within 5 levels of you. If you cant figure out the humor in that well..

For the people who still insist theres some mystical formula that allows you to gimp my SP because you insist on having groups with people 10 levels apart, read here.. straight from the horses mouth http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=e4fcac48d0f8438c429f49b7a9b1ec6c2f1e02cb

The mechanics are very simple. If you have a group that has everyone within 5 levels of one another, you get an sp bonus. The closer they are to one another, the higher the bonus. NOT individual, applied to the party. If even 1 person is outside of the 5 level maximum, guess what.. NO SP BONUS FOR ANYONE.

Get it now?



Rank 30 Lancer here telling you your wrong ^^.

I just got out of a party rank 21-30 with 14 members and gained about 10k sp in an hour.

Nothing amazing, but this was my first time doing a party with a greater range than 5 levels. I read into the lodestone statements as well but i can tell you when u get 400sp on a crab and theres someone 9 ranks below you, your not getting the regular sp allotment.

I do however recognize that it is less consistant and varies greater once you break that 5 level gap, sometimes i got 0 sp.

I do find you quite ignorant making such a definite claim when you obviously have never tested it in game and just read off a website... Learn to withhold judgement you are probably what rank 16?
#7 Nov 01 2010 at 12:02 AM Rating: Good
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Johnsmith129 wrote:
klepp6761 wrote:
How many of you have groups on your server that are so clueless they try to explain these far out theories on how the SP bonus mechanics work? My favorite and coincidentally most frequently heard one is "it applies based on the individual" LOL they are saying that it applies to you and the people within 5 levels of you. If you cant figure out the humor in that well..

For the people who still insist theres some mystical formula that allows you to gimp my SP because you insist on having groups with people 10 levels apart, read here.. straight from the horses mouth http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=e4fcac48d0f8438c429f49b7a9b1ec6c2f1e02cb

The mechanics are very simple. If you have a group that has everyone within 5 levels of one another, you get an sp bonus. The closer they are to one another, the higher the bonus. NOT individual, applied to the party. If even 1 person is outside of the 5 level maximum, guess what.. NO SP BONUS FOR ANYONE.

Get it now?



Rank 30 Lancer here telling you your wrong ^^.

I just got out of a party rank 21-30 with 14 members and gained about 10k sp in an hour.

Nothing amazing, but this was my first time doing a party with a greater range than 5 levels. I read into the lodestone statements as well but i can tell you when u get 400sp on a crab and theres someone 9 ranks below you, your not getting the regular sp allotment.

I do however recognize that it is less consistant and varies greater once you break that 5 level gap, sometimes i got 0 sp.

I do find you quite ignorant making such a definite claim when you obviously have never tested it in game and just read off a website... Learn to withhold judgement you are probably what rank 16?


It is based on individual isn't it? We partied right after they announced it on Hippocerf to test it out, I was 24, there were 6 others around 19-25 which was within my lvl range, and 3 more about 16-18. I gained 300-500 SP on Hippocerf, but the people outside my range gain less, approximately 200-300.
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#8 Nov 01 2010 at 12:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Honestly I'm still not taken on the whole +/- 5 Ranks thing.

Recently today I was partied with as such:
20PGL(me)
18ARC
18CON
21GLD

The exp varied from 100-190(mostly) to the very rare 300-400+. Fighting Island Crabs which I fought the previous day with a broader spectrum of people only to gain less then when I was with a broader Ranked group. Most of the party members only gained 150+SP per kill. I'm curious whether or not it was the mob we were fighting or if it had something to do with the overall party we had. Nonetheless the gain seemed random if anything with lack of consistency.

If anyone has a reason to this I'd love to know :D



#9 Nov 01 2010 at 12:19 AM Rating: Good
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Unfortunately the "everyone must be within 5 levels" thing has caught on. Today people were getting kicked out of my SP party because they gained a level and fell out of the "magic" range.

Of course this is only a problem because:
  • SP is so random that people treat it with paranoid superstition
  • The game has no notifications about these sorts of "magic" effects
  • SE cannot clearly explain any game mechanics, either out of spite or incompetence
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#10 Nov 01 2010 at 12:24 AM Rating: Decent
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You're making some pretty big assumptions OP:

1) That nothing was misinterpreted down whatever chain those Q&A's travel.

2) That nothing was lost in translation.

3) That the system actually works as designed/intended.

Those are some pretty big unknowns to have such a matter-of-fact attitude about it. Personally, I don't know or care either way, but I do know I wouldn't take anything SE says at face value. They have, by a wide margin, the poorest communication of any company I have ever had dealings with.

Edited, Nov 1st 2010 2:25am by Furia
#11 Nov 01 2010 at 12:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Unfortunately the "everyone must be within 5 levels" thing has caught on. Today people were getting kicked out of my SP party because they gained a level and fell out of the "magic" range.


That's why I'd like to slap the OP.
#12 Nov 01 2010 at 2:20 AM Rating: Decent
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This is my take on it:
We need to know what the bonus gives. Is it increased SP/hit or increased proc rate?

IT ISN'T HIGHER AMOUNT OF SP GRANTED THE CAP IS 500 SP/KILL

A lot of players are bringing their knowledge from FFXI (myself included) and applying it to FFXIV.
Players are taking the no PS bonus as a penalty when it really isn't. You just gain SP at the normal rate.

for example: in FFXI if you partied with players outside you level range by +-3 levels the members on the lower end of the spectrum were stuck with a EXP penalty.THey would not be rewarded full EXP/kill, the further the level gap the bigger the penalty. This is not the case in FFXIV!

in FFXIV you can have a group of rank 10-15 players and invite a rank 20 player. everyone in that group (maybe not the rank 20 depending on mob being fought) has a chance to gain the max 500 SP. The bonus might not be in effect but players will gain SP at the normal rate vs the current monster they are fighting.

Now currently we are fighting monsters that are quite a bit above our rank range. lets take deepcroft black efts for example.

a group of rank 23-28 are in there fighting doing their thing if they happen to invite a rank 20 player it ruins their SP bonus, but they will more than likely still be gaining 300-500 SP a kill just for the fact that the efts are much higher level than any of the players. (i'm told they are a lv 40ish mob)

When you are in those large 10+ man parties I don; think SP bonus comes into play very much as the mobs are generally a much higher level then the players that 1) they either reach max SP long before the mob is dead and are now using attacks just to kill the mob (i.e. wasting time) or 2) have to attack the mob so much that they gain max SP.

SP bonus I think really effects smaller parties fighting mob closer to their own level range. If the Bonus is +proc rate or +sp/hit then fighting in smaller groups with faster kills would yield more SP/hr as long as the bonus was in effect.

I'll try some tests to see what my final SP/hr are:

1) small group withing the +-5 rank range fighting slightly higher level mobs report SP/hr (Bonus)

2) fight in small grp out of the +-5 rank range on mobs slightly higer level report SP/hr (no bonus)

3) fight in large group within the +-5 rank range on mobs Extremly higher level report SP/hr (bonus)

4) fight lin large group outside the +- 5 rank range on mob exremly higher level report SP/hr. (no bonus)



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#13klepp6761, Posted: Nov 01 2010 at 10:44 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) you are correct. what i wrote was worded incorrectly, i changed it. Was late. Anyhow i want to make sure as many people see the 5 person range as possible. maybe its just on saronia but its a huge problem. lots of people convinced of the wrong information and are continuing to spread it as the right info. Matter of fact havent been in a party that was in the 5 person range yet. I mention it and leader proceeds to "explain" it to me LOL.
#14klepp6761, Posted: Nov 01 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) sounds like a personal problem. id like to slap your mom but i dont always get my way. Youd like to slap me for making sure people understand the way it works? If people were getting booted from your party, that needs to be taken up with the party leader, although i can undersatnd why. Have you NOT played another mmo where people are required to be within a certain level range for ideal xp? really?
#15klepp6761, Posted: Nov 01 2010 at 10:50 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) lastly, squeenix isnt gonna tell anyone anything, if you dont know how they roll by now...
#16 Nov 01 2010 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Does the 5 level spread INCLUDE the level itself as well? Does 20-25 get the bonus? Or does it have to be 21-25?

20-25 is technically 6 different levels but they are only within 5 levels of one another......
#17 Nov 01 2010 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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Are we talking in ranks and levels here?

The lodestone says it's 5 ranks, so can we get that straight and use proper terminology?

Ranks = Class
Level = Physical

You might say it's nitpicking but it's a HUGE difference.
#18 Nov 01 2010 at 11:14 AM Rating: Decent
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No one else is having any issuing understanding the conversation. But yes you are correct, the SP bonus only applies if you are withing 5 RANKS of one another. Most people are fully aware that physical level means so little.... so no, it obviously doesn't make a huge difference as everyone is conversing and understanding just fine..... well most
#19 Nov 01 2010 at 12:15 PM Rating: Decent
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What I think people are really misunderstanding is that not having the bonus isn't really a penalty.

The bonus grants you either:

1) increased SP per hit
or
2) increased chance for SP to proc.

whether you have the bonus or not the cap is still 500 SP.

So if you have a non SP bonus PT your total amount of SP granted is 500.

If you have the bonus the total amount of SP is 500.

The bonus is better suited fighting in smaller groups vs monsters that are easier to kill. (less hits generally means less SP unless you have a bonus!)

when we fight in large PT's we are facing monsters that are way above our rank range which = more hits = more SP.

The thing is when you have a bonus in large PT's you hit the 500 cap fairly early in the fight, the rest of the time you are wasting actions and time not gaining anything!
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