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#1 Nov 02 2010 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
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This is the way i see it .......
FFXIV is not about getting there but, its about how you got there


with wow(for example) you have : I did 20 quests today and got 30 new peaces of gear. i gained 5 lvls ... blah blah blah
with ffxiv(as i see it) you have : I feel much more attached to my character, actually working to get gear rather than killing 15 spiders for a axe that will last me 7 quests b4 i get a new better one. Every day i play i see my toon getting stronger and i find myself looking at the now rather than the future.I dont have to be the cookie-cutter class to be able to do something i can make the exact class i want to play and that to me is amazing.

I see all the grief posts and i don't really understand it i find myself with something to do all the time.
There are some minor bugs(menu lag,bazaar market organization,and so on) people are acting like this is the end of the world as we know it SE has a very good mmo dev team these are problems that with out a doubt in my mind will get fixed.





#2 Nov 02 2010 at 10:34 AM Rating: Good
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I agree. I'm having a blast just taking my time developing my character. It took me about a year to get my first 75 in FFXI and I'm not really worried about getting max level in XIV anytime soon. I don't understand the people who complain about this one month old MMO not having much content. I don't have enough time to do everything I want right now let alone in the next months when the updates start rolling out.
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#3 Nov 02 2010 at 11:21 AM Rating: Good
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I've gotten to a point (currently rank 20 MAR) where my character is well-rounded. I've got a wide variety of abilities (spikes, barbs, heals, stuns, etc), rank appropriate gear and (what I believe to be) enough mats and gil. I usually craft when I'm hanging around town, I enjoy watching other's interactions and the usual town banter. When I venture out in the field, I do DoL stuff, kill mobs for sp/mats or party. These activities are fun; when I've had enough of something for an evening, I take a break or switch activities.

I don't care how long it takes to get to XX level as long as I'm having fun and progressing my character.
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#4 Nov 02 2010 at 11:27 AM Rating: Good
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I went from R1-R9 blacksmith last night. It was fun.

When I want some immediate gratification in terms of progress, I switch jobs and work on something new. Fun! Easy! Exciting!
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#5 Nov 02 2010 at 11:34 AM Rating: Decent
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the levequests is really what do it for me. before running all around for quests, just to do them once, whenever i felt like it (the clock is kinda like "GO" mode for me) and then it was just done. sad to say but that music that plays when i finish i love XD plus i can choose solo or couple ppl or group mode. i think this system will be more easy to add more quests over time then previous. if they added new quest in last one, i had no idea where to go unless i visited other websites and viewing websites for quest info just kinda ruins it for me.

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#6 Nov 02 2010 at 11:37 AM Rating: Default
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It's always a blast to watch how powerful denial really is.
#7 Nov 02 2010 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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Rinsui wrote:
It's always a blast to watch how powerful denial really is.


:D ya same with how far jealousy can go

poor Rinsui not having no fun :(
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#8 Nov 02 2010 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Rinsui wrote:
It's always a blast to watch how powerful denial really is.


Big LOL....very true.

If we can only fast forward a couple months.
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#9 Nov 02 2010 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Is the ride a carousel, where you see the same thing over and over, but just jump on a new horse once in a while?
#10 Nov 02 2010 at 11:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Your post makes a lot of sense but there are some flaws.
I played wow as well and if you didnt like wow you would quit,who has time for 2mmos?
Don't tell me that playing a instance with 5 other team members that might take 2hrs or more is not fun.will your team die will it live was not fun and exciting. Where is that in Final Fantasy now, please leves do not count at least right now until we get some sort of update or content. I quit Wow because it became way to cookie cutter like you stated but that was after 2years and before that i played final 11 that was awsome for its time. we dont even have a cookie in final yet or know what the cookie is? I am afraid by the time the cookie is ready in XIV there will be no one left to eat it
#11 Nov 02 2010 at 11:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Rinsui wrote:
It's always a blast to watch how powerful denial really is.


Just because you are not having fun doesn't mean other people are not having fun. Everyone enjoys different things. Despite your high opinion of yourself, your enjoyment or lack thereof is not the measuring stick by which everyone's enjoyment is judged.

I played horizontally in FFXI as well - I leveled almost every job at one time or another (though I didn't dabble in crafting very much). The biggest difference is that leveling multiple jobs in FFXIV is rewarding in a way that it wasn't in FFXI - partially because my physical level keeps going up (awesome!) and partially because I can swap skills between jobs.

If you aren't enjoying the game, that's too bad, but you don't need to belittle people that are having fun. It isn't constructive and it isn't pleasant.

I've posted multiple threads in the feedback forums about things I think can be improved on, and I am really looking forward to a lot of changes that will come in the future. That doesn't mean I can't have fun with what is here.

When I stop having fun I turn off the game and do something else. Simple. I did want to get maker's muse last night but I got tired of crafting and didn't feel like doing anything else, so I turned off the game. That doesn't mean the game is broken or stupid or whatever - it means that my brain was interested in reading Herodotus instead.
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#12 Nov 02 2010 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Rinsui wrote:
It's always a blast to watch how powerful denial really is.


Someone please give this guy a hug
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#13 Nov 02 2010 at 1:00 PM Rating: Good
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"its all about the ride" is more of a player philosophy, rather than something inherent in the game itself. If that idea works better for you, thats awesome, but its not "the way" to play the game.
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#14 Nov 02 2010 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
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KujaKoF wrote:
"its all about the ride" is more of a player philosophy, rather than something inherent in the game itself. If that idea works better for you, thats awesome, but its not "the way" to play the game.


Since FFXIV doesn't yet have a "destination", I think I'd argue that FFXIV really is all about the ride. If you enjoy end-game raid style playing you're going to be sorely disappointed in FFXIV for quite a while.
#15 Nov 02 2010 at 1:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm currently having a pretty good time doing a little bit of everything (as you maybe able to see from my sig). If i'm getting tired of doing one thing I'll switch up and do something else - I'll grind, or craft, or go gather/farm, I'll grab some leves and knock some of those out, I'll hang at the aetheryte and wait for or make a party shout or perhaps someone is there looking for a hand on a leve and I'll do that. I find that there's plenty to do and I'm looking forward to the game as it unfolds over time.

I'm more or less very invested in my character and the desire to make it more well rounded by getting more and more abilities. The one think I might gripe slightly about, and I may or may not be alone here, is that I actually miss losing XP when I die. I feel a bit less "scared" when wandering into an area full of heretofore seen mobs. The only thing that makes dying something to avoid is the slight annoyance of running back to where you died... and even that isn't much of an issue since your weak and that is usually wearing off as you run back so it's basically something to do while waiting for it to wear off. I liked the consequence of it all. It added a level of reality and emotion to dying that is just not here now. It's a small thing perhaps but I do miss it.

I'm also very excited to see where the main storyline goes. I think I'm up to date on it and I can't wait to see what's next - I have theories but I'm waiting to see! So I'm with the OP in that I don't entirely understand the wall of dissent that seems to surround this game. It simply doesn't make a lot of sense. But to each their own I suppose. But in the meantime I'm simply going to keep on keeping on and enjoy the ride!



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#16 Nov 02 2010 at 1:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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I like doing stuff to make my character better. I spent the time to be able to make a set of gear that relatively matches and I'm happy I look good. I don't care that I'm a rank 12 archer with rank 9 equipment, I'm happy that I was able to do so.
#17 Nov 02 2010 at 1:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Hydragyrum wrote:
KujaKoF wrote:
"its all about the ride" is more of a player philosophy, rather than something inherent in the game itself. If that idea works better for you, thats awesome, but its not "the way" to play the game.


Since FFXIV doesn't yet have a "destination", I think I'd argue that FFXIV really is all about the ride. If you enjoy end-game raid style playing you're going to be sorely disappointed in FFXIV for quite a while.

Well, yeah, there's no destination, and that's fine with me.
But there's no ride either.
It's just, log in, kill mobs/craft/gather or do leves in wich you kill mobs/crat/gather, there's no story (apart from main quests wich comes maybe once a week, probably less if you're not constantly partying post 20), no quests (apart from rank 20 and 30 guild quests), no exploration (all places look the same, or are blocked, or filled with mobs that one shot you forcing you to port back to an earlier camp) and no fun (personal opinion, wich many share).
most days i spend 2/3rds of my play time travelling, rest killing mobs for leves, crafting for leves or gathering, yes, for leves, and way too large a chunk of time trying to sell my loot to a vendor, or repairing my gear.
Leves are repetitive, travelling is boring, and repairing/vendoring is just annoying/frustrating.
#18 Nov 02 2010 at 3:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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with wow(for example) you have : I did 20 quests today and got 30 new peaces of gear. i gained 5 lvls ... blah blah blah


I don't really understand this statement and I question whether or not you have actually played WoW to any notable extent. If you don't enjoy playing the game that's one thing, but to imply that people who do have no attachment whatsoever to their characters because it's possible to quest to level cap is just absurd. I don't really understand why you are exaggerating the quest rewards, either (and you ARE exaggerating). I never once felt like the point of the quests was the reward at the end. Most of the quests I did because they were fun and interesting. My first character I leveled up by myself, without any add ons. Boy, was I green!

If you take the time to read the quests instead of just accepting everything in a town and then following the QH TomTom arrow, you might have a different opinion.

I mean really - when it comes right down to it both games are a grindfest. The only difference is that one has a programmed-in progression and one is a free for all grind. I actually prefer a little story to go with my grind, but hey, that's just me.
#19 Nov 02 2010 at 3:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm really enjoying the game, figuring out new places for our exp party to level, working on crafts, but I find the dig on wow unecessary. I don't play it, but it seems kind of silly to trivialize its achievements, while I see tons of rank 10-25 players on Trabia wearing velveteen gear that will last them through the 30's.

I definetely think that the sense of satisfaction is much better in this game, but knocking gear in wow as a comparison is a joke. I wish people couldn't wear gear above their highest ranked class. Would have a lot better feel of accomplishment with gear, if you actually had to earn the rank first.

Edited, Nov 2nd 2010 2:55pm by Ridere
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#20 Nov 02 2010 at 8:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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adam2324 wrote:

This is the way i see it .......
FFXIV is not about getting there but, its about how you got there


with wow(for example) you have : I did 20 quests today and got 30 new peaces of gear. i gained 5 lvls ... blah blah blah
with ffxiv(as i see it) you have : I feel much more attached to my character, actually working to get gear rather than killing 15 spiders for a axe that will last me 7 quests b4 i get a new better one. Every day i play i see my toon getting stronger and i find myself looking at the now rather than the future.I dont have to be the cookie-cutter class to be able to do something i can make the exact class i want to play and that to me is amazing.

I see all the grief posts and i don't really understand it i find myself with something to do all the time.
There are some minor bugs(menu lag,bazaar market organization,and so on) people are acting like this is the end of the world as we know it SE has a very good mmo dev team these are problems that with out a doubt in my mind will get fixed.



Then why is the journey so bland?

Serious point - there is not much to take in between mission quests. There is no immersive questing, the NPCs and the cities are fairly lifeless. There is barely any grouping going on (for various reasons).

I would agree with your point if there were more to do then simply grind. Right now you either grind DoW/DoM or grind DoH / DoL. Every few levels you get a mission with more depth than "kill # rats".

So yeah, how you got there amounts to being a marmot slayer.


There is no sense of attachment to this character other than the time i have invested. I did not accomplish anything of merit. No cities are singing my praise. No NPC's cheer at the very site of me because i saved their town. ****, the main story insofar as i have seen progresses without any interaction from me - my character is nothing but a spectator in the grand scheme of it.

Where is the attachment in that?

Edited, Nov 2nd 2010 10:16pm by KacesofCaitsith
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#21 Nov 02 2010 at 8:20 PM Rating: Decent
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"Why don't you care about where you're going?"
"Because how you get there is the worthier part."

5 points to whoever gets the reference first.
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#22 Nov 02 2010 at 9:32 PM Rating: Decent
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well...that is a really good mind set to have. I do think its good to stay positive as it will make things look a whole lot better.

For me its not so much a 'ride' as it is 'clocking in to work'. I go to a counter, get a leve, walk to the place, craft item - rinse and repeat. Its like I leave work and start a whole other job and in that respect I am more attached to my character... I often wonder who has a better job. Maybe I should just become a blacksmith in real life.
#23 Nov 02 2010 at 10:15 PM Rating: Good
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It's all about the ride......

Yeah, okay.

Well, when I can get out and walk faster than the current ride I'm in, there's a problem.
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#24 Nov 02 2010 at 10:47 PM Rating: Good
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The ride is giving me blisters on my ***.
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#25 Nov 03 2010 at 11:26 AM Rating: Default
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People, i am was stating the way that i see the game i like how you progress you're character in this game more than other

in wow i feel when im lvling that its only about getting to the top level and nothing else matters and i dont feel like that in this game

if you don't like the game why are you logging in? why are you spending you're time to argue with someone who does
i don't understand the people that would spend there time doing something you don't like.
if you don't like it don't log in.
#26 Nov 03 2010 at 11:27 AM Rating: Default
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sorry for the typo
#27 Nov 03 2010 at 11:32 AM Rating: Good
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People, i am was stating the way that i see the game i like how you progress you're character in this game more than other

in wow i feel when im lvling that its only about getting to the top level and nothing else matters and i dont feel like that in this game

if you don't like the game why are you logging in? why are you spending you're time to argue with someone who does
i don't understand the people that would spend there time doing something you don't like.
if you don't like it don't log in.


Yeah, but like i stated before. Its about how you see the game, and how you feel. Its not universal.


Level caps aren't a finish line. the game keeps going, and theres new stuff around. Exploring new dungeons as they are added as just as much of a "ride" as leveling.
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#28 Nov 03 2010 at 11:35 AM Rating: Default
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#29 Nov 03 2010 at 12:42 PM Rating: Good
I feel sorry for the people that are not enjoying the game at this time. But I won't let that stop me from having fun! ^^

Even before the Sept. 22nd release I decided to take all my crafting classes to rank 50 before I even considered ranking up a DoW/M class, so I have a lot on my plate...lol. I realize that some people just want to level a fighting class and feel like it's boring right now. I just don't see why people that aren't enjoying it can't just post their QQs in the complaint thread. A lot of us wanna just talk about things like good leveling spots, or new recipes we discovered...even other random topics that are more positive in nature.

It's not about denial. We just aren't so narrow-minded that we get tunnel vision on the problems and ignore the fact that even if we played this game 24/7 there's still SOMETHING to do even if some people find it monotonous or boring.

Hopefully the upcoming patches will placate the unhappy so that our forums can become less cluttered with the QQs and full of more insightful threads. ^^

I mean, it's not like everyone doesn't know what's wrong...no need to repeat it a million times! lol

As far as the OP... I agree with your first two lines. I, personally, really enjoyed leveling and doing missions and stuff over the years when I played FFXI. Unfortunately, while it was at first new and fun to do endgame and get some uber1337haxorwtfbbqsauce gear it offered, I kinda lost the spark that FFXI gave me oh so long ago. I still enjoyed it, but I knew the "end" was near and it made me a bit sad to know it.

While I too don't wanna run out of things to do, because I don't limit myself to one thing in FFXIV I remain intent on my goals, and never lack something different to do, if one thing has me bored or frustrated. ^^ I can wait for content...even if it means me spending 100x more money on subscription fees, I am not looking forward to the end of my journey in FFXIV.

On a side note...I am greatly anticipating the UI fixes and the recipe interface in crafting! This will be a huge improvement over the crafting interface on FFXI!

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