It's not a comparison of results. It's a comparison of methods. I always felt leveling in XI with a PL was lame, and it started to undermine the game when people would refuse to group unless a PL was present. As long as this newest XIV exploit doesn't make it difficult for me to get a party unless I agree to stay parked at camp when I'm done for the night, what others are doing doesn't hurt me. I have nothing invested in the stupid choices of others. All I'm saying is that your arguments to suggest it's not an exploit are stupid, and if you do wind up getting banned over it, be a sport and keep your sniveling rants to yourself.
You are missing the point. No matter the comparison PL'n, SMN burn, AFK SP buffing, ect... It's all the same thing. It's the means to get to the end. How do you level/rank up faster and easier in a game that is designed to drag your experience out? This isn't a comparison of what method is best to achieve the ends. The ends are the same. So any method to achieve those ends is the exact same. If you want to say that one method is better or less worse than the next you are being intellectuality dishonest with your self. Since none of the methods I compared are considered cheating there is no "degree" by which to compare them. So either they are all O.K. or none of them are O.K.
And your argument that a real person needs to be at the helm of a PL......hi to u scripting/bot/spellcast. It's the same concept just applied differently but the end result is the same.
Right...so PLing with a bot is the same as leaving people AFK for the SP bonus. Great parallel there, sporty.
PL'n with a bot/script/spellcast can fall into the same area of "afk" players boosting SP/EXP gain. Now I will agree that a PL bot is an extreme example but it still falls into your argument. That this case of "AFK PL'n" is different than normal PL'n because a PL has to always be there. They don't, a script in XI could run your PL for you. So then your argument again comes down to "degrees." What is the line that your draw to determine "cheating?" Cause like I said your line is way different than SE's.
Again, the argument is about the means to the ends. I'm simply showing that there are many methods that people used in XI that following your line of logic would be considered "exploiting" that were not and many players took advantage of. The results are the same, more SP/XP you are trying to define the "acceptable" line and my self and others are trying to point out that your line is not SE's.
Ya, except people already tried the "spam heals in a group under the effects of Guardian's Favor without actually trying to kill the mob until the timer is almost expired" and they got their SP rolled back or they got banned. Again, awesome example. Are you going out of your way to undermine your own position, or do you simply lack the intellectual capacity to form a cogent argument?
The spam heal was a different method than what I have explained. The system was broken and was awarding points for each cure to each individual rather than for each cure. SE clearly stated that the system was broken and not working as intended. Hence why they gave people the chance to come clean. However, the "ban hammer" didn't fall too hard if at all. The first few 50 rank jobs were all healer classes who more than likely took advantage of the glitch. They are still around. What I was trying to show and you missed is that 1 player could have 14 other people in the PT not working towards killing the mob in anyway, but the same result can happen. More SP.
Again your argument is based on "degrees." It's ok for 14 people to do something other than afk in a PT to boost SP for one person. But once they go afk, it's cheating...That's what you are saying.
The SP system rewards slower killing with more players. It's not XI and birds where the fastest time is the best Xp/hour. People are using the system as is designed and are stretching fights out longer with more members to get more SP.
They're using the system based on how it was designed, but they're not using the system based on how it was intended and that's when it becomes an exploit.
By your definition of exploit and intent. I'll say it one more time, your argument is about definition and degrees. And if that is the case we will never agree on this issue. We can agree on the extremes as i'm sure SE would as well. However, on the grey...you, me, and SE have different ideas and in the end the only opinion that matters is SE's and their desire to fix or change the system.