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#1 Nov 04 2010 at 11:01 AM Rating: Good
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=273827

news flash, Wada is talking about the company is working hard to Re-Gain trust from the players.

how long will this carrot-in-front-of-dunkey trick keep you playing?

it's nice to know that Wada is understanding the issue now, but again, it's still kinda /meh to hear this kind of political/diplomatical talk without specific plans and determinations.



Edited, Nov 4th 2010 1:07pm by triangold
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#2 Nov 04 2010 at 11:11 AM Rating: Decent
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the number of active players is now down to 30k from the all time high of 48k. and falling fast.... what will happen 22 of November and 1 of December when they actually have to pay? More officials bowing and apologizing perhaps?
#3 Nov 04 2010 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Have they said why they released FFXIV in the state it was? I am not after another flame war but I actually wouldnt mind knowing the answer. Was it pressure to get the PC version out? Needing income for future FFXIV updates?

Or was it just release it or delay it?
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#4 Nov 04 2010 at 11:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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Lonix wrote:
Have they said why they released FFXIV in the state it was? I am not after another flame war but I actually wouldnt mind knowing the answer. Was it pressure to get the PC version out? Needing income for future FFXIV updates?

Or was it just release it or delay it?


I don't think there will ever be an official announcement, but it's pretty obvious that the release corresponded to the end of the fiscal year for SE. It was clearly a financial decision, not a game-completeness decision.

Also, remember that the developers likely had no say in when the game would be released. The Executives made that decision and the developers had to scramble to tie up whatever loose ends they were working on.
#5 Nov 04 2010 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Hydragyrum wrote:
a financial decision, not a game-completeness decision.


good plan there SE. especially when they are aiming to keep costumers for years, not loose people constantly even tho the game is free at the moment.

According to Square Enix, the game has sold a healthy 630,000 copies since launch (190,000 in Japan, 210,000 in the US and 230,000 in the EU).

30 000 active players at peak hours. Yeah.... do the math. How many percent actually WANT to play this mess? lol
#6 Nov 04 2010 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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outzaidurz wrote:
Hydragyrum wrote:
a financial decision, not a game-completeness decision.


good plan there SE. especially when they are aiming to keep costumers for years, not loose people constantly even tho the game is free at the moment.

According to Square Enix, the game has sold a healthy 630,000 copies since launch (190,000 in Japan, 210,000 in the US and 230,000 in the EU).

30 000 active players at peak hours. Yeah.... do the math. How many percent actually WANT to play this mess? lol

Actually those numbers are units shipped not sold.
#7 Nov 04 2010 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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"the number of active players is now down to 30k from the all time high of 48k. and falling fast.."

Where did you get this figure?

I find the population on my server has dropped sharply in the last few weeks, and that's including all the AFK bazaars.

#8 Nov 04 2010 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Hydragyrum wrote:
Lonix wrote:
Have they said why they released FFXIV in the state it was? I am not after another flame war but I actually wouldnt mind knowing the answer. Was it pressure to get the PC version out? Needing income for future FFXIV updates?

Or was it just release it or delay it?


I don't think there will ever be an official announcement, but it's pretty obvious that the release corresponded to the end of the fiscal year for SE. It was clearly a financial decision, not a game-completeness decision.

Also, remember that the developers likely had no say in when the game would be released. The Executives made that decision and the developers had to scramble to tie up whatever loose ends they were working on.


I originally thought it had to do with fiscal year end....but their F/Y is March 31...so I am guessing it was something they decided to do well in advance and did not want to lose face by delaying it. Who really knows...

edit - $$ outweighed risk.

Edited, Nov 4th 2010 1:42pm by Simool
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#9 Nov 04 2010 at 11:46 AM Rating: Default
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OMGItsABear wrote:
outzaidurz wrote:
Hydragyrum wrote:
a financial decision, not a game-completeness decision.


good plan there SE. especially when they are aiming to keep costumers for years, not loose people constantly even tho the game is free at the moment.

According to Square Enix, the game has sold a healthy 630,000 copies since launch (190,000 in Japan, 210,000 in the US and 230,000 in the EU).

30 000 active players at peak hours. Yeah.... do the math. How many percent actually WANT to play this mess? lol

Actually those numbers are units shipped not sold.



So true. They are gonna try as hard as they can to hide the number of actual units sold and only give the number of units shipped.

Edited, Nov 4th 2010 10:46am by DaemonFaust
#10 Nov 04 2010 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
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I made a post about 3½ months ago calling the PC release just a cash grab cash infusion for SE. I figured the PS3 would be the primary platform they care about. 3½ months later and I feel like what I said is spot on.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=152&mid=128207470049138511#msg1282085814127947786

"The game is being made for PS3 players and the few FFXI customers who want to switch over/have the computer to switch over. Controls are not being made for the main stream computer MMO market. So have no fear, you will get a beta and it will be optimized for your PS3 and the mainstream PC MMO'ers will fund it with their box sale cash grab and maybe a month or two worth of subscription fees before they quit playing FFXIV. Retail come march 2011 is gonna be PS3 users, FFXI vets with good computers and a few other MMO players who are able to make the switch to the terrible UI without rage quitting."
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#11 Nov 04 2010 at 12:13 PM Rating: Default
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wow, that WAS spot on. Rate up for being sub-defaulted in that thread when you were just speaking the truth... good call. =/
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#12 Nov 04 2010 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
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wow, that WAS spot on. Rate up for being sub-defaulted in that thread when you were just speaking the truth... good call. =/


Thanks, I am trying to hold out some hope for the Nov and Dec updates but my gut tells me they wont fix everything so much as just put bandaids on things and make more promises.
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#13 Nov 04 2010 at 1:54 PM Rating: Default
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Ponderosa wrote:
"the number of active players is now down to 30k from the all time high of 48k. and falling fast.."

Where did you get this figure?

I find the population on my server has dropped sharply in the last few weeks, and that's including all the AFK bazaars.



I remember for FFXI they released the number of characters that were active as being 2 Million, trying to come out with an impressive number, but how many of those were "Mules" ? Something tells me any numbers they release for this game will include retainers as well to make it seem more populated than it actually is.
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#14 Nov 04 2010 at 5:55 PM Rating: Decent
I would have paid my subscription fee from day 1 if I had to. There is nothing in the game so bad that I would want to quit, or refuse to pay-to-play.

What I do refuse to pay for is a premium subscription to ZAM, just so I can come to the forum everyday and find a new thread that is complaining about the same thing as the thread under it, and the 4th thread under that...

This is a fan-site. If your not a fan, this isn't your site. And to be fair, the Admins made a complaint thread, so all you haters can all hang out together and have a party.

If you don't like FFXIV so much, and think they aren't do anything about it, quit the game, and leave the forum. I am sure there is another game out there for you.

SE never lost my trust, however the sooner they fix some of the problems the sooner I will add 3 more characters and as many retainers as SE will let me have on my Main Character (I am hoping I can have one for every DoH/L). ^^

My rating of FFXIV: 7/10. ( -1 for UI lag, -1 for Anima, -1 for Fatique System)
However after they fix the UI and Anima... 9/10.

Obviously this is my personal opinion after leveling a DoM to 20+ on Trabia then switching servers to Palamecia and leveling a DoH to 32 and a DoL to 20. I have dabbled everywhere, done all the storyline quests, tons of leves...partied, soloed, crafted, bought and sold items, farmed, explored, died, laughed and cried.

Are there problems? Yes.
Will they be fixed? Yes.
Am I worried about FFXIV's future? No.
Will I pay after free trial? Definitely.
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#16 Nov 04 2010 at 6:58 PM Rating: Default
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a financial decision, not a game-completeness decision.

thats right its money, **** off the people giving you money by being late on a promised date is suicide with that invester they rather lose money and beable to regain it on a long term thing like a mmo's monthly payment thing vs typical games 1 time only payment once the game is out thats it you either sell a billion or just lose alot of money you wont get back. never be late its like a first impression just how businees is.

if square used there bank money probly would of been a different story since theres no contract.

Edited, Nov 4th 2010 8:59pm by mitmystria
#17 Nov 04 2010 at 7:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Id really like to see where you are pulling your numbers from. The number of pre orders from the united states alone was over 100k
http://www.eorzeapedia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5073

Look into the amount pre ordered from japan and the UK as well. 45k at peak and 30k currently is a number pulled out of thin air to convince people that no one is playing the game. Show me a link to where you get your data and i might start to beleive you. Otherwise stop trying to convince people that no one is playing the game
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#18 Nov 05 2010 at 12:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've also suspected that it was a cash grab, but I have to think that they didn't account for the tremendous amount of negative press they would get and how that might affect PS3 sales.
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#21 Nov 05 2010 at 2:47 AM Rating: Decent
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This is a duplicate thread.
By now, which thread isn't?

Edited, Nov 5th 2010 4:48am by Rinsui
#22 Nov 05 2010 at 3:39 AM Rating: Good
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jtully wrote:
Id really like to see where you are pulling your numbers from. The number of pre orders from the united states alone was over 100k
http://www.eorzeapedia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5073

Look into the amount pre ordered from japan and the UK as well. 45k at peak and 30k currently is a number pulled out of thin air to convince people that no one is playing the game. Show me a link to where you get your data and i might start to beleive you. Otherwise stop trying to convince people that no one is playing the game


Uh-huh. How many of those pre-orders were canceled and therefore resulted in no purchase?
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#23 Nov 05 2010 at 6:16 AM Rating: Excellent
Regardless of my, or yours, or anyone else's personal opinion, the fact remains that SE does have to regain trust from a great many people who bought this game expecting one thing, and receiving something else. I think we are a long way away from FFXIV being cancelled, so really, discussion around that is a moot point for me. But people are losing interest, myself included, and I've been a fan of the game since the start.

Unfortunately this isn't a problem that is going to be fixed in a few weeks. It won't even be fixed by December, when they roll out the new patch and the content update. But I do think this game will get over the hurdle. I think the damage done with their PC release will hurt the sales of the PS3 release, but I still believe we will see a large influx of people in March. These people will come into the game, most likely, in a state where the vast majority of the issues that we saw in the PC release, won't exist. They will experience the game in a wholely different way, and many will tell their friends, "Hey, I tried FFXIV, and you know, I don't see why everyone was saying so much bad stuff about it, you should really give it a try".

Just think of how this community would have reacted to the game had we entered the game with:
-Functional Market Wards with multiple retainers and search function
-Better working Interface
-More Content
-Less Lag
-Less bugs in general

Yes this confirms they released the game in an unfinished state, and it was a mistake to do so. We don't need to beat that horse carcass anymore. It's already dead. And granted the game still won't appeal to everyone. But the reaction of PS3 players will be much more positive than many of ours, and the game will acquire a renewed energy from their positivity.

March is a ways off from now, 4 1/2 months. By the time that day rolls around the negativity in the community will have diminish, not disappeared, but diminished. Issues will have been resolved in part, and many frustrated people will simply just leave by then. That will give an opportunity for fresh faces with fresh perspectives on a game with many less issues than we faced to give the game a new energy.

Pioneers always suffer while those that come after reap the benefits of their efforts. We are the pioneers, and if it's worth it to us, sticking around will make sure that this game will be a success, not just for those who come after, but for us. This isn't about SE. It's about us. Everyone who is here is here for a reason. No one is here just to be a troll. We all have something invested in this game. And just by displaying interest, whether negative or positive, it shows that you care. And if enough people care, this game will see it's way through this darkness, and we will all be able to experience the FFXIV that we expected to be playing... it just mighht come a little later than we expected.
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#24 Nov 05 2010 at 6:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Regardless of my, or yours, or anyone else's personal opinion, the fact remains that SE does have to regain trust from a great many people who bought this game expecting one thing, and receiving something else. I think we are a long way away from FFXIV being cancelled, so really, discussion around that is a moot point for me. But people are losing interest, myself included, and I've been a fan of the game since the start.

Unfortunately this isn't a problem that is going to be fixed in a few weeks. It won't even be fixed by December, when they roll out the new patch and the content update. But I do think this game will get over the hurdle. I think the damage done with their PC release will hurt the sales of the PS3 release, but I still believe we will see a large influx of people in March. These people will come into the game, most likely, in a state where the vast majority of the issues that we saw in the PC release, won't exist. They will experience the game in a wholely different way, and many will tell their friends, "Hey, I tried FFXIV, and you know, I don't see why everyone was saying so much bad stuff about it, you should really give it a try".

Just think of how this community would have reacted to the game had we entered the game with:
-Functional Market Wards with multiple retainers and search function
-Better working Interface
-More Content
-Less Lag
-Less bugs in general

Yes this confirms they released the game in an unfinished state, and it was a mistake to do so. We don't need to beat that horse carcass anymore. It's already dead. And granted the game still won't appeal to everyone. But the reaction of PS3 players will be much more positive than many of ours, and the game will acquire a renewed energy from their positivity.

March is a ways off from now, 4 1/2 months. By the time that day rolls around the negativity in the community will have diminish, not disappeared, but diminished. Issues will have been resolved in part, and many frustrated people will simply just leave by then. That will give an opportunity for fresh faces with fresh perspectives on a game with many less issues than we faced to give the game a new energy.

Pioneers always suffer while those that come after reap the benefits of their efforts. We are the pioneers, and if it's worth it to us, sticking around will make sure that this game will be a success, not just for those who come after, but for us. This isn't about SE. It's about us. Everyone who is here is here for a reason. No one is here just to be a troll. We all have something invested in this game. And just by displaying interest, whether negative or positive, it shows that you care. And if enough people care, this game will see it's way through this darkness, and we will all be able to experience the FFXIV that we expected to be playing... it just mighht come a little later than we expected.


Good post! My high school mascott was a Pioneer so I like the analogy : P
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"March is a ways off from now, 4 1/2 months. By the time that day rolls around the negativity in the community will have diminish, not disappeared, but diminished. Issues will have been resolved in part, and many frustrated people will simply just leave by then. That will give an opportunity for fresh faces with fresh perspectives on a game with many less issues than we faced to give the game a new energy.

Pioneers always suffer while those that come after reap the benefits of their efforts. We are the pioneers, and if it's worth it to us, sticking around will make sure that this game will be a success, not just for those who come after, but for us. This isn't about SE. It's about us. Everyone who is here is here for a reason. No one is here just to be a troll. We all have something invested in this game. And just by displaying interest, whether negative or positive, it shows that you care. And if enough people care, this game will see it's way through this darkness, and we will all be able to experience the FFXIV that we expected to be playing... it just mighht come a little later than we expected."

I hope you and your "pioneer" friends have fun paying the $12 a month to BETA test a video game. I don't see this game getting fixed properly for at least 12 months. That's $150 I'll be spending on something else.


#26 Nov 05 2010 at 6:52 AM Rating: Good
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"March is a ways off from now, 4 1/2 months. By the time that day rolls around the negativity in the community will have diminish, not disappeared, but diminished. Issues will have been resolved in part, and many frustrated people will simply just leave by then. That will give an opportunity for fresh faces with fresh perspectives on a game with many less issues than we faced to give the game a new energy.

Pioneers always suffer while those that come after reap the benefits of their efforts. We are the pioneers, and if it's worth it to us, sticking around will make sure that this game will be a success, not just for those who come after, but for us. This isn't about SE. It's about us. Everyone who is here is here for a reason. No one is here just to be a troll. We all have something invested in this game. And just by displaying interest, whether negative or positive, it shows that you care. And if enough people care, this game will see it's way through this darkness, and we will all be able to experience the FFXIV that we expected to be playing... it just mighht come a little later than we expected."

I hope you and your "pioneer" friends have fun paying the $12 a month to BETA test a video game. I don't see this game getting fixed properly for at least 12 months. That's $150 I'll be spending on something else.




That's completely fine if you aren't willing to play for the next 12 months. I think it would take more than a year of poor sales for SE to pull the plug, assuming they ever do. I personally think that the Final Fantasy franchise is just too big for SE to pull the plug on anything released under that name. They have much more to gain, or retain, or to minimize damages on, however you want to look at it, by seeing this thing through to the end. The damage that cancelling this game as a failure would do to the franchise as a whole would be monumental. I don't even know if I will be playing all of the next 12 months, but I do know that I will remain interested, and that eventually, I want this game to be my online home. I hope to see you around sometime in the future as well :)



Edited, Nov 5th 2010 9:57am by charityneverfaileth
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#27 Nov 05 2010 at 7:02 AM Rating: Good
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That's completely fine if you aren't willing to play for the next 12 months. I think it would take more than a year of poor sales for SE to pull the plug, assuming they ever do. I personally think that the Final Fantasy franchise is just too big for SE to pull the plug on anything released under that name. They have much more to gain, or retain, or to minimize damages on, however you want to look at it, by seeing this thing through to the end. The damage that cancelling this game as a failure would do to the franchise as a whole would be monumental. I don't even know if I will be playing all of the next 12 months, but I do know that I will remain interested, and that eventually, I want this game to be my online home. I hope to see you around sometime in the future as well :)



This game already blew away 75% of SE's profit: http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=152&mid=1288961815304273106
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#28 Nov 05 2010 at 7:09 AM Rating: Good
I'll let the discussion on that happen in that thread. Anyway this is turning back into a hate thread, so with that... I am off :)
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