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#1 Nov 04 2010 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/10/18/final-fantasy-xiv-review/

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Taking quests is similarly laborious. Hard-to-find quest-givers dish out clusters of boring rat hunts activated at giant crystals in the field.


While I am by no means the biggest fan of this game, I believe you should be required to actually level your character to write a review (something I get the feeling did not happen here)

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#2 Nov 04 2010 at 11:43 AM Rating: Default
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That review was total trash. You don't have to like the game to agree that it looks like something copied and pasted from ignorant troll bait.
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#4 Nov 04 2010 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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I mean the fact that they talk about the gun... "you're better off making that gun than buying it" shows that they didn't play the game for more than 10 minutes. I fully believe they had no intention of giving the game a fair review. I am pretty sure they never even logged in.

Nevermind the fact that yeah - in an economy pretty much made by players - it takes a couple months for crafters to get high enough to supply the market. Now you can find tons of stuff - lots of it really difficult to make - all over.
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#6 Nov 04 2010 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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What part of it did you find untrue? I agree it was unflattering, but I didn't see anywhere where he lied.
#7 Nov 04 2010 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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Now you can find tons of stuff - lots of it really difficult to make - all over.


And thank god for that. Undyed canvas was 50k just a couple weeks ago, now it pops up under 10k

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#8 Nov 04 2010 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Torrence wrote:
What part of it did you find untrue? I agree it was unflattering, but I didn't see anywhere where he lied.



I didn't feel that he was off the mark, he definitely echoes the general consensus of the reviews and of a good portion of the gaming community as well. It just didn't read to me like he'd actually played the game. I don't remember which one of the first reviews that came out I read, but it was obvious the reviewer had made it into the 20's (he was indicating that the 'guild' leves were just more of the same ol same ol)

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#9 Nov 04 2010 at 12:07 PM Rating: Default
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This reviewer pigged back on another review forsure,but it still does not matter he is on the mark!!

SIDE NOTE:where are those pictures from in the article guns,they haven't released the musketer class yet ?
#10 Nov 04 2010 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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The game itself is an online RPG in which you pick from a variety of elfin races

obviously he didnt even create his own character either... the reviewer that is... i mean c'mon

a variety of elfin races???!!!??!?!? lalafel and miqo'te and rog' all elfen? and the humans too are elfs?

i suppose that the reviewer thinks ffxiv players bake cookies for nabisco too

Edited, Nov 4th 2010 1:18pm by Galkaholics
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#11 Nov 04 2010 at 12:19 PM Rating: Default
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I thought it was a good review. I thought leves were fun at the beginning, but now that I'm R30+, I find it tedious doing the same leves over and over again. Sure you get access to new leves as you rank up, but unless you are leveling really fast, you're gonna be doing the same leve over and over till you get access to the next rank ones.
#12 Nov 04 2010 at 12:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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i suppose that the reviewer thinks ffxiv players bake cookies for nabisco too


What, you don't? Stop lyin', you know we all do Smiley: cool
#13 Nov 04 2010 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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i suppose that the reviewer thinks ffxiv players bake cookies for nabisco too


What, you don't? Stop lyin', you know we all do Smiley: cool

**** you got me.. i make the soft bakes chocolate chip ones... the secret to keeping them soft is we spray nicotine in the package before we seal it.. keeps em soft moist and addictive
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#14 Nov 04 2010 at 12:38 PM Rating: Good
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Galkaholics wrote:
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The game itself is an online RPG in which you pick from a variety of elfin races

obviously he didnt even create his own character either... the reviewer that is... i mean c'mon

a variety of elfin races???!!!??!?!? lalafel and miqo'te and rog' all elfen? and the humans too are elfs?

i suppose that the reviewer thinks ffxiv players bake cookies for nabisco too

Edited, Nov 4th 2010 1:18pm by Galkaholics


In this context, Elfin does not mean literally "an Elf" but is used to describe something with delicate and/or graceful features. It is a bit of a stretch to say Rogs and Highlanders have elfin qualities, but I do agree that to some extent the rest of the races, Midlander included, are fairly elfin.

It isn't a negative description, and if the reviewer thought going into an MMO of Asian origin/theme he was going to be presented with characters that look ugly and bedraggled then he mustn't have much reviewing experience at all. Ragnarok, Maple Story, Lineage, Aion, and RF Online off the top of my head all had "beautiful" avatars. Why would XIV be any different?
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#15 Nov 04 2010 at 12:38 PM Rating: Default
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What part of it did you find untrue? I agree it was unflattering, but I didn't see anywhere where he lied.


-where he talks about crafting guns when there are no guns
-where he says there was a "selection of elfin races"

Those are two easy ones.
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#16 Nov 04 2010 at 12:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Does anyone know where those pic's came from now that looks like fun,and those guns are sweet when the fluck do we get to do that ? That is what people are looking for shield over the party while you blast away with your guns!!!!

SE, you release this content now.....give up the leves and release that now! or ill use skull sunder on you but ill just probly end up missing anyway!
#17 Nov 04 2010 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
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the reviewer was obviously not the target demographic its like trying to get a civil war vet from the south to review the latest rap CD,

he did have major lies/didnt actualy play the game so pulled the info out of his ***
aka crafting your own gun and all characters being elfin

i have to say sadly the game does deserve a slightly higher score then the 30 he gave it.. if he was the target demographic he would have givin it the usual 40-50 score and thats what i truely think ffxiv deserves

it does not deserve a 30/ aka 3/10 score that the reviewer gave it but its also DEFINATLY not a 10

a 5 for avg is fair if you were to avg you score based on all factors like
grphx 10
story 3
playability 3
fun factor <differs person to person but id say between 1-4> aka 2
music 4

ect definatly a solid 5/10
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#18 Nov 04 2010 at 12:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Does anyone realize how old this review is? I swore we made fun of it already.
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#19 Nov 04 2010 at 1:01 PM Rating: Default
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he did have major lies/didnt actualy play the game so pulled the info out of his ***
aka crafting your own gun and all characters being elfin

i have to say sadly the game does deserve a slightly higher score then the 30 he gave it.. if he was the target demographic he would have givin it the usual 40-50 score and thats what i truely think ffxiv deserves

it does not deserve a 30/ aka 3/10 score that the reviewer gave it but its also DEFINATLY not a 10

a 5 for avg is fair if you were to avg you score based on all factors like
grphx 10
story 3
playability 3
fun factor <differs person to person but id say between 1-4> aka 2
music 4

ect definatly a solid 5/10

just one thing how can graphics be a ten if there all the same? every cave the same, every area looks the same. You have to have diversity in the graphics as well I would think ...The whole world is copied and pasted
#20 Nov 04 2010 at 1:38 PM Rating: Decent
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The guns comment is a text on the picture. Just like the text in the second picture, it's not actual gameplay, and given the context of the article, it's a witty comment shedding light on how the author feels about the crafting system. Just like sarcasm, I guess it's not obvious, and it may be misleading. You can argue that such things have no place in an article..but that's another "discussion"

The elfin features, as explained before, doesn't mean the thinks they are all elves.

I agree, overall the review feels hurried and more like a complaint and rant session. However, I think it's a spot on first impression of the game.

Edited, Nov 4th 2010 3:40pm by chopstx
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#21 Nov 04 2010 at 1:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Does anyone know where those pic's came from now that looks like fun,and those guns are sweet when the fluck do we get to do that ? That is what people are looking for shield over the party while you blast away with your guns!!!!

SE, you release this content now.....give up the leves and release that now! or ill use skull sunder on you but ill just probly end up missing anyway!



There are no guns we can use in game. That screenshot is of one of the cutscenes for Limsa's story quest. You are handed one in the story, you aim it. Then it gets taken away from you.
#22 Nov 04 2010 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
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The reviewer lied, it only took me 9 clicks to change my weapon, not 12.

Well, maybe his bags were full, and the weapon was at the very bottom of the list.

Who gave the graphics a 10? Seriously, some of the emotes are pathetic, and the spell animations are only slightly better than the ones I've seen in old 2D games. I'd give the graphics an 8 at most.

#23 Nov 04 2010 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
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chopstx wrote:
The guns comment is a text on the picture. Just like the text in the second picture, it's not actual gameplay, and given the context of the article, it's a witty comment shedding light on how the author feels about the crafting system.


There is nothing witty about it. It's asinine - especially since the reviewer appears to be too stupid to figure out that in a game where nearly all the equipment is crafted it will take at least a month for an established base of crafters to start to churn out decent equipment en masse.

He is 100% wrong about it being easier to craft everything yourself than buying it from a crafter who has actually raised their craft up. AS WELL AS being completely off base about the gun - which is not at all available in game yet. Period. Full stop. It's a moronic review.
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#24 Nov 04 2010 at 2:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Olorinus the Vile wrote:
It's a moronic review.

^ this
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#25 Nov 04 2010 at 2:48 PM Rating: Good
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Olorinus the Vile wrote:
It's a moronic review.

^ this

^ seconded
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#26 Nov 04 2010 at 3:42 PM Rating: Default
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"He is 100% wrong about it being easier to craft everything yourself than buying it from a crafter who has actually raised their craft up. AS WELL AS being completely off base about the gun - which is not at all available in game yet. Period. Full stop. It's a moronic review."

You sir, are a moron, or a fanboi, or both. Probably both.

The gear I'm currently wearing is 40% crafted by me, 40% from leve rewards, and the rest bought from players (reluctantly).

And stop moaning about the gun. Maybe he couldn't find a better picture to use. Would a screenshot of someone wielding a brass dagger impress you?

I'd suggest you play a bit more, then re-read the review. He's pretty much given an accurate analysis of the games current state.
#27 Nov 04 2010 at 4:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't give a **** what PC Gamer ends up giving 'cause that's just some other idiot's opinion. If he knows what's so dope he should just make it himself and quit judging everybody else. That is all...
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#28 Nov 04 2010 at 4:24 PM Rating: Default
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Ponderosa wrote:

You sir, are a moron, or a fanboi, or both. Probably both.

The gear I'm currently wearing is 40% crafted by me, 40% from leve rewards, and the rest bought from players (reluctantly).

And stop moaning about the gun. Maybe he couldn't find a better picture to use. Would a screenshot of someone wielding a brass dagger impress you?

I'd suggest you play a bit more, then re-read the review. He's pretty much given an accurate analysis of the games current state.


As a woman, I am really sick of the frigging term "fanboi" - guess what, women do exist, and they do play video games. Yes, I like this game, no you saying so isn't an insult and it doesn't undermine what I am saying. I am not a boy, or a boi.

I've played a ton (PL33) - and I have to say the only crafted items that I am using that I made myself are my wand and my potions. I have 1 pair of pants and 1 shirt that I got from leves. All the rest of my tools and equipment were crafted by other people.

If what you say about your equipment is true - you sir, are doing it wrong.

If I waited till I could craft every item I needed to use I would never get anywhere or I would always be using seriously underpowered or inappropriate gear and tools. Between browsing bazaars for mats and my LS mates I encounter gear I am interested in regularly. This is a social game, which means you actually have to be social to get ahead and do well.
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#29 Nov 04 2010 at 4:54 PM Rating: Decent
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My appologies for calling you sir and boi.

If being social means clicking on retainer bazaars for hours on end, I'd rather be a recluse. The market ward system sucks, and most people know it sucks.

Maybe I don't have the best gear. And you know what? I don't want the best gear. My 31 conj looks just fine in his R25 canvas tabard (a leve reward. My R22 willow wand is just fine. I may upgrade to a oak cane, depending on how easy it is to repair.

Oh I made a mistake earlier. I forgot to mention that my undies are store bought (I always carry a spare set with me).

P.S. Here's some reading for you:

The term fangirl can be used to describe a female member of a fandom community (counterpart to the masculine "fanboy"). Fangirls may be more devoted to emotional and romantic aspects of their fandom, especially (relation-)shipping. However, it is commonly used in a derogatory sense to describe a girl's obsession with something, most commonly a male teen idol or an aspect of Japanese pop culture. Fangirl behavior can vary in intensity. On one end of the scale are those that, while harboring a crush on a particular actor or character, are perfectly capable of understanding that the fulfilment of the crush is never going to happen. On the other end are the girls who are said to be obsessive in their claims on a fictional character, even fighting with other fangirls over who 'owns' the character in question. Fangirl behavior can fall anywhere in this spectrum, but the closer someone is believed to be towards the obsessive end, the more derogatory the use of the term 'fangirl' to describe them is perceived to be. Fangirls of all persuasions are believed to be the largest contributors to fanfiction websites, sometimes disregarding the canon storyline of their fandom or altering it to fit either their own favored romantic pairings; or themselves into the continuity (termed self-insertions or Mary Sues)


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#30 Nov 04 2010 at 5:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Olorinus the Vile wrote:

As a woman, I am really sick of the frigging term "fanboi"


Are you seriously playing that card? Aside form all the obvious points to make regarding generalized terminology and your offense to it, you follow it up with the quote below?

Olorinus the Vile wrote:

...is true - you sir, are doing it wrong.



You seem to be really hurt by the review to call it moronic. It's clear it offended you, as did others in this thread. That's too bad. The comment about the gun is of course wrong, but it's inline with his comment about "the hardest quest in the game"

Edited, Nov 4th 2010 7:05pm by chopstx
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#31 Nov 04 2010 at 5:12 PM Rating: Decent
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chopstx wrote:
You seem to be really hurt by the review to call it moronic.


I'm not hurt, geeze, give me a break.

I just happen to be a professional writer so I have expectations and standards when it comes to this sort of thing. To see someone who ostensibly is getting paid to write a review be so utterly sloppy and so obviously biased is offensive.
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#32 Nov 04 2010 at 5:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Olorinus the Vile wrote:
chopstx wrote:
You seem to be really hurt by the review to call it moronic.


I'm not hurt, geeze, give me a break.

I just happen to be a professional writer



From that perspective I think you have every right to be furious and offended.
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"I just happen to be a professional writer so I have expectations and standards when it comes to this sort of thing. To see someone who ostensibly is getting paid to write a review be so utterly sloppy and so obviously biased is offensive."

OK miss smarty-pants (err panties, oops almost messed up again). Go write a review of the game. I'll check back in a day or two.

The review was sloppy? how? biased? how? offensive? how?

#34 Nov 04 2010 at 6:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Ponderosa wrote:
"I just happen to be a professional writer so I have expectations and standards when it comes to this sort of thing. To see someone who ostensibly is getting paid to write a review be so utterly sloppy and so obviously biased is offensive."

OK miss smarty-pants (err panties, oops almost messed up again). Go write a review of the game. I'll check back in a day or two.

The review was sloppy? how? biased? how? offensive? how?



I do wear pants

Smiley: nod

Anyway I would write an essay on how bad this review is but I am home from work and actually having fun playing the game. (Waiting for weakness to wear after getting my **** smacked from Mor Dhona to Cutter's Pass)

Edited, Nov 4th 2010 5:59pm by Olorinus
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#35 Nov 04 2010 at 7:05 PM Rating: Decent
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reviews are tainted theses days they just get bribes to make or break a game. judge for your self.
#36 Nov 04 2010 at 7:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't understand how the reviewer missed the quest giver that is pointed out to you. I would bet 100 pounds that the guy didn't even play the game for more than 30 minutes. Tired of all the comparisons to WoW. I've played this game FAR more than I ever did WoW and find if far more enjoyable.

At the moment the game is a 5/10 for me. Lots of bugs and issues need fixing but the prettiness and social aspect of the game keep me coming back for more. By March this game will be kick ***. If not then I'll just wait for TERA.
#37 Nov 05 2010 at 12:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Review is fairly old. I don't mind seeing a 3/10 score for the game and there are lots of reasons for this game to end with that score in the end, but the reasons he cited were either dumb or just plain incorrect. The very fact that he (or any reviewer) even mentioned the fatigue system should be a clear indicator that they are just repeating stuff they've heard. Granted, I spread my time between lots of in-game jobs, but I play about 5 hours a day and have never hit the fatigue. Not once.
#38 Nov 05 2010 at 12:34 PM Rating: Good
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I hit fatigue during the first week I played when I was on vacation from work and only left the house for food and barely bathed or in any way left the computer screen. And I got it just 1 day before surplus did it's weekly reset. Since then I haven't come close.

Edited, Nov 5th 2010 11:35am by Olorinus
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#39 Nov 05 2010 at 4:45 PM Rating: Decent
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. The very fact that he (or any reviewer) even mentioned the fatigue system should be a clear indicator that they are just repeating stuff they've heard


You don't actually have to hit fatigue to get an opinion about it.
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Olorinus, how I would love to live in your world. A world that is contrary to reality where this game is actually fun. I cant force myself to log back in. I wish I could I love the franchise but cant find the motivation. Every one who has played it has accepted that it sucks. Regardless of the players needing to establish a base in order to craft the more advanced items. (btw you know what helps with that? An AH!!) Who gives a **** weather the game got a 3/10 4/10 or 5/10 the game still fails.

Does the game have potential? Yeah it really does but, I'm not sure it will reach its potential under these circumstances. As it stands the game is horrible, SE is panicking and the players are leaving. Do you know what kind of a monumental failure it is to make SE lose 75% of its earnings? Granted its not ALL of ffxiv's fault but a good portion is.
Can you understand how bad a failure must be to causes some one to sell $26,000,000 in SE stock?

Stop defending it, this game sucks (right now) and nothing you say is going to make it stop sucking. If you are enjoying the game then you have ****** taste in games. This is an overwhelming cry by the entire gaming community/reviewers/SE them-selfs.

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I dont know why I find this behavior acceptable from a guy and utterly disgusting from a girl. I do hope your married.
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#43 Nov 07 2010 at 6:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Olorinus the Vile wrote:
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What part of it did you find untrue? I agree it was unflattering, but I didn't see anywhere where he lied.


-where he talks about crafting guns when there are no guns
-where he says there was a "selection of elfin races"

Those are two easy ones.


First, if you actually read the review, you would note that within the body text he never mentioned guns, that was a caption for a picture he probably though looked cool. As I took it the caption was commentary on the difficulty of finding anything in market wards (i.e. you are better off just making whatever you want rather than slogging randomly through dozens of retainers that may or may not even have what you want).

Second, http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/elfin, doesn't mean they are all elf races, it means charming, small or magical as well, so also not inaccurate. (If you are a profesional writer as you claim I would assume you are rather accustom to "big" or "fancy" words, or ones that might require looking them up in a "dictionary" to understand, are you not?)

Even if he didn't level very much how are any complaints he had not plainly obvious at any level? The flaws he pointed out are there and working at your nerves from the moment you first load the game. He mentions cinematic story quests being few and far between but making it to/past 10 is all you need to do to experience that. Never saw him say anything about lack of endgame content or the oddness of the SP system or other things one would need to be high level for to have seen in action.

I agree it didn't seem like he played to a very high level, but (ask your self honestly) does he really have to to get an accurate feel for the state of the game? These elements that seem to be almost designed to drive away new players are there from the moment you install the game, even before you log in, and that is what, more than anything really sets the tone of FFXIV.



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