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#1 Nov 05 2010 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
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There is a lot of information being released about the financial situation that SE is in. Now I could be wrong about my prediction and fall flat on my face here but this is my prediction of SE's next big mistake.

I believe that because of their financial situation "someone" will MAKE them pull the trigger on the 30 day fee which is rapidly approaching for the CE owners. Don't get me wrong they've been generous in providing the extension for the free-trial period and I use the term generous very, very loosely there. However I feel that if they do not extend the trial period again it could be their worst mistake since the release (which was the worst mistake bar none).

The feeling i get from the forums and speaking to friends in game is that there are a lot, a whole **** lot of people on the fence about this game. I feel if they go forward with the subscription fee you will see a dramatic drop in the population; even more so than is already evident. Basically only the die hards will remain. I feel that most of these will make that decision and never look back again. Some will I know that (I count myself in that boat) but many will not.

There is just too much competition out there WoW, upcoming Star Wars, DC Uni online, Champions going f2p, LotR already free to play, Rift, Tera not to mention GW2 which looks like it could really come in and kick some *** especially as a f2p. You've gotta respect the stance of GW2 they have all this hype going and the game looks great thus far but thier repsonse on when will it release, "when it's ready". You can't tell me they haven't been watching this "**** in a handbasket" situation and taking notes.

I could be wrong and I hope I am but if they decide not to extend the trial period again I feel it will increase that slippery slope to an unfortunate end.
#2 Nov 05 2010 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Really, the game feels like an alpha version still and we only paid for our copies of the game ahead of time. Unless a big giant update comes before the trial period ends. (They said update was coming in late november?) and the trial ends on the 22nd, so yeah. The game will certainly see a hit if they don't get something done before the 22nd.
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#3 Nov 05 2010 at 11:09 AM Rating: Decent
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I will be one to wait for some huge improvements before SE gets any more of my money. For me, at least, this extends to other SE games as well. You will never see me in line on day 1 of release to get my pre-ordered copy. I will always wait for a good amount of reviews so I can make an educated decision.
#4 Nov 05 2010 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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As a company I'm sure SE has thought of this already. If anything the patch will probably come before the 22nd. I have till Dec 6th since I didn't start @ launch so i'm not too worried.

However if the updates don't come before the 22nd (and this isn't worst case scenario but still pretty bad) what SE will probably do is release Pre-patch notes of whats to come in the big patch sometime after the 22nd. Just long enough to get your 1st fee. The pre-patch notes will probably be fluffed up and make you want to stay which wouldn't be beneath SE at this point >_> and in a total c*ckslap to the face the patch won't provide 1/2 the stuff they promised, and the rest will come in the december update, well after everyones 60days are up.

But honestly since they haven't already fixed some of this stuff (its november already >_>;) I'd like to think they aren't holding out on giving us fixes that they already have in order to make the November update even grander to keep us playing & to attract people who quit back. However theres this little feelin @ the back of my mind that thats exactly whats happening.
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#5 Nov 05 2010 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Toukai wrote:
As a company I'm sure SE has thought of this already. If anything the patch will probably come before the 22nd. I have till Dec 6th since I didn't start @ launch so i'm not too worried.

However if the updates don't come before the 22nd (and this isn't worst case scenario but still pretty bad) what SE will probably do is release Pre-patch notes of whats to come in the big patch sometime after the 22nd.


I have to agree that they have definitely already thought this out and I think you are correct in thier strategy. But this is where the "Big Mistake" comes in that I'm talking about. I think they believe that by providing this Nov. patch "NM's, levequests, we've seen the list" that it will be enough to keep people hanging on enough to pay that month and hope for the best in December.

However my opinion would be to the contrary. I feel their confidence in this first patch is going to provide a false sense of security. Unless there is more than they've outlined already (and I mean like a jaw dropping adjustment addition, new class, ishgard unlocked, etc.) a very large portion are still not going quit and not pay for next month to wait around for December.

This is just my opinion but seeing what they have planned for Nov. update already i myself do not plan to renew my subscription just based on those adjustments. Many of my friends and LS mates feel the same. Some have already turned their backs and don't plan to look back.
#6 Nov 05 2010 at 11:44 AM Rating: Decent
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mpjj wrote:
I could be wrong and I hope I am but if they decide not to extend the trial period again I feel it will increase that slippery slope to an unfortunate end.


I agree, at this point there is no point in extending the trial period any more. They might as well get some money from the hard-core that are willing to stick around, rather than extending it and getting no money.
#7 Nov 05 2010 at 11:52 AM Rating: Good
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They will not extend the trial period again. Its the tough time in all of our lives where we must make a choice.. you either stick around... or leave...

Believe it or not, this is just a game.. and if you don't want to play, you can just stop...
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#8 Nov 05 2010 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I've already keyed in my three months of crysta - and I am considering getting another UGC so I can load up my account with more crysta and extend that to six months. I enjoy this game and I am ready to put my money where my mouth is. It will suck if/when populations drop when they start charging fees but I don't expect them to develop more content without any money. That's why I want to put my six months in - so they have the certainty of my financial commitment.

I believe in this game. The only way SE could disappoint me is by giving up on the game. The ability to get more retainers, NMS, searchable wards and more recipes - are all more than enough to sate me. I am pretty convinced that when they introduce more content I am going to need to be higher ranked to enjoy it - so I don't see ranking up to be a waste...

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#9 Nov 05 2010 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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I've already keyed in my three months of crysta - and I am considering getting another UGC so I can load up my account with more crysta and extend that to six months. I enjoy this game and I am ready to put my money where my mouth is. It will suck if/when populations drop when they start charging fees but I don't expect them to develop more content without any money. That's why I want to put my six months in - so they have the certainty of my financial commitment.

I believe in this game. The only way SE could disappoint me is by giving up on the game. The ability to get more retainers, NMS, searchable wards and more recipes - are all more than enough to sate me. I am pretty convinced that when they introduce more content I am going to need to be higher ranked to enjoy it - so I don't see ranking up to be a waste...


I wish I shared your optimism. I'm really jaded after this whole ordeal.
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#10 Nov 05 2010 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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Onionthiefx wrote:


I wish I shared your optimism. I'm really jaded after this whole ordeal.


I'm sorry about that. I hope that when things have been improved you'll come back. I'll work on building a nice economy for you to come home to. (and I am not a gouger and never will be)
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#11 Nov 05 2010 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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Olorinus the Vile wrote:
I've already keyed in my three months of crysta...



I did the same thinking I should give them a fair chance. I remember other games being plagued with technical difficulties at launch. Sadly, I was not prepared for the sort of frustration that FFXIV has caused me. Live and learn. SE has my money, don't fail me now!
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Onionthiefx wrote:
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I've already keyed in my three months of crysta - and I am considering getting another UGC so I can load up my account with more crysta and extend that to six months. I enjoy this game and I am ready to put my money where my mouth is. It will suck if/when populations drop when they start charging fees but I don't expect them to develop more content without any money. That's why I want to put my six months in - so they have the certainty of my financial commitment.

I believe in this game. The only way SE could disappoint me is by giving up on the game. The ability to get more retainers, NMS, searchable wards and more recipes - are all more than enough to sate me. I am pretty convinced that when they introduce more content I am going to need to be higher ranked to enjoy it - so I don't see ranking up to be a waste...


I wish I shared your optimism. I'm really jaded after this whole ordeal.


I think there are alot of people that are in both camps about both of your above comments.

I have alot of admiration for people that do understand that the only way this game is going to get better and keep going is if they are willing to bite the bullet and make that commitment despite how much they like or dis-like the current state to get this game where it needs to be.

However I definitely feel where people are coming from on the opposite side of that coin. Many feel a bit cheated that the game needs so much adjustment and work. Some feel it is like a slap in the face to pay for 1, 2, 6, 12 months so they can fix what in many people's opinion should have been there to begin with.

In the next two months we will see a lot of hard lines drawn and tough decisions made. I know people keep posting "It's just a game you can just quit" or "if you like it play if you don't quit" but many people are emotionally invested in this as well as financially. So a lot of people will be making some tough decisions to leave friends, etc. As well many had great expectations and high hopes for this game so it isn't always just so cut and dry (just my opinion).
#13 Nov 05 2010 at 12:38 PM Rating: Good
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Wait until people have to start paying and realize how much of a PITA ClickandBuy or Crysta are.
#14 Nov 05 2010 at 12:39 PM Rating: Good
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mpjj wrote:


I think there are alot of people that are in both camps about both of your above comments.

I have alot of admiration for people that do understand that the only way this game is going to get better and keep going is if they are willing to bite the bullet and make that commitment despite how much they like or dis-like the current state to get this game where it needs to be.

However I definitely feel where people are coming from on the opposite side of that coin. Many feel a bit cheated that the game needs so much adjustment and work. Some feel it is like a slap in the face to pay for 1, 2, 6, 12 months so they can fix what in many people's opinion should have been there to begin with.

In the next two months we will see a lot of hard lines drawn and tough decisions made. I know people keep posting "It's just a game you can just quit" or "if you like it play if you don't quit" but many people are emotionally invested in this as well as financially. So a lot of people will be making some tough decisions to leave friends, etc. As well many had great expectations and high hopes for this game so it isn't always just so cut and dry (just my opinion).


QFT man. For sure.

I don't blame anyone who isn't enjoying themselves for not wanting to pay. If I wasn't having fun despite some irritations (underwear repair!!!) I wouldn't be happy that I had already bought non-refundable crysta. As it is I feel like putting some money on the table is my way of showing SE that I care about the game and want it to get better.
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#15 Nov 05 2010 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
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It's too bad that the game is in this state. I'm just starting to really enjoy myself; I'm finally out of the starter areas and having fun learning more and more about the game and it's mechanics.

I really hope SE is able to make changes that will retain a decent amount of players.
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#16ElDoyen, Posted: Nov 05 2010 at 1:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Pleased to see that you already demand a new class...
#17 Nov 05 2010 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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(and I mean like a jaw dropping adjustment addition, new class, ishgard unlocked, etc.)


Pleased to see that you already demand a new class...

How are all your R50 jobs ?

Give SE some time, most people here complain, but im willing to bet they are still playing at the moment. If your honestly that dejected just stop playing and take a look at the game at PS3 release. Hopefully the people that are paying can support it so SE can, and will make it greater that FFXI.


Sorry I didn't mean for that to be taken literal I was simplying trying to imply that for some people it would take a major "unexpected" addition or adjustment to be made to justify staying and paying.

As for the second part of your post I would revert you to my earlier post in this thread.

mpjj wrote:
In the next two months we will see a lot of hard lines drawn and tough decisions made. I know people keep posting "It's just a game you can just quit" or "if you like it play if you don't quit" but many people are emotionally invested in this as well as financially. So a lot of people will be making some tough decisions to leave friends, etc. As well many had great expectations and high hopes for this game so it isn't always just so cut and dry (just my opinion).

#18 Nov 05 2010 at 1:23 PM Rating: Excellent
First off, I like the game and am having a good time playing. There are a TON of things that need to be fixed but nothing that will make me quit ATM. I don't do nerd rage. There are better, more important things to rage about people...it's just a game, put the torches and pitchforks away. That being said, this is the reason I see the OP as maybe being correct:

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I feel their confidence in this first patch is going to provide a false sense of security.


Before FFVII SE was known as a premier RPG game designer. When VII came out they became the class of the division. However, as more and more ppl lined up to kiss their majestic a$$ they began to believe in their own hype. They became living legends in their own minds. Now (well, before the whole FFXIV fiasco) they believed they knew what was best for any RPG. Ever deal with someone that believes they know it all? They don't listen for $hit do they? They have to be slapped in the face with their own mistakes for them to even think about being wrong. Sound familiar? I dunno, just feels to me like a titanic case of epeen, except a whole company instead of one geek with loads of imaginary gear.
#19 Nov 05 2010 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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Oh yeah, kinda forgot i already bought like 3months worth of Crysta B4hand >.<

crap i bought the crysta same day i installed thinking it would be alright... Well maybe i'll use it when i come back in March. Today was probably my last day playin 14. Had 9 Fails in a row on an item a few lvs below me. i crafted 8 yesterday w/ 0 fails, and now, using a master forge, couldn't get the progress bar past 30% so i rage quit. Swear the crafting system can be garment rendingly frustrating at times >.<

Eh maybe i'll go back to it soon but theres really nothin left to do but grind -.- craft, do my leves....bleh same old everyday. In other news im havin a blast back on XI hehe...
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#20 Nov 05 2010 at 3:44 PM Rating: Good
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I agree with OP... I am such a HUGE fan of FFXI and the other FF series, but I am having a difficult time staying and playing because of all the people around me leaving, in game and out of game.

I will be one of the subscribers to leave after the trial period ends, and I bought CE... so my end will come on the 22nd. I'm hoping the NOV update will come before this date, but I just don't see it. It just doesn't sit well with me to pay for this unfinished game. (T.T)

It's so unfortunate that I'll leave when the cool updates come in NOV and DEC, especially the one in DEC, but I will continue to check ZAM and read up on the reviews and improvements of the major updates. Then decide if I will come back.
#21 Nov 05 2010 at 5:50 PM Rating: Good
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I for one am not playing the game, and as soon as the free trial is over, I'll be canceling my subscription. At that point, it's going to be a lot less likely that I'll resubscribe even if the game gets better.
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#22 Nov 05 2010 at 6:01 PM Rating: Default
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Can we please please just quit it with the complaint threads...

SE is aware of how bad the game was after it got released. They have promised to fix 90% of ALL the complaints. They are doing this in two big updates by 3 months.
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#23 Nov 05 2010 at 6:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Honestly, even if this game was F2F, in its current state I would not play. It's simply not an enjoyable way to spend my time. Which clearly does not make me happy considering I bought a new PS3, HDTV, new PC, and the CE specifically to play this game. I think SE has some serious staffing issues that they need to attend to. The company is no longer producing quality products or making sound business decisions.
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As a company I'm sure SE has thought of this already. If anything the patch will probably come before the 22nd. I have till Dec 6th since I didn't start @ launch so i'm not too worried.

However if the updates don't come before the 22nd (and this isn't worst case scenario but still pretty bad) what SE will probably do is release Pre-patch notes of whats to come in the big patch sometime after the 22nd. Just long enough to get your 1st fee. The pre-patch notes will probably be fluffed up and make you want to stay which wouldn't be beneath SE at this point >_> and in a total c*ckslap to the face the patch won't provide 1/2 the stuff they promised, and the rest will come in the december update, well after everyones 60days are up.

But honestly since they haven't already fixed some of this stuff (its november already >_>;) I'd like to think they aren't holding out on giving us fixes that they already have in order to make the November update even grander to keep us playing & to attract people who quit back. However theres this little feelin @ the back of my mind that thats exactly whats happening.


Patch notes are just more of what they already seem to only be capable of: words.

Words don't cut it for me with this game anymore.

My sub ends the 6th of December. If they release patch notes saying every single problem / shortcoming in the game is going to be patched on December 7th, too bad so sad, I'll be gone on the 6th.

I want to see ACTION from this company, not more lip service.
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First off, I like the game and am having a good time playing. There are a TON of things that need to be fixed but nothing that will make me quit ATM. I don't do nerd rage. There are better, more important things to rage about people...it's just a game, put the torches and pitchforks away. That being said, this is the reason I see the OP as maybe being correct:

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I feel their confidence in this first patch is going to provide a false sense of security.


Before FFVII SE was known as a premier RPG game designer. When VII came out they became the class of the division. However, as more and more ppl lined up to kiss their majestic a$$ they began to believe in their own hype. They became living legends in their own minds. Now (well, before the whole FFXIV fiasco) they believed they knew what was best for any RPG. Ever deal with someone that believes they know it all? They don't listen for $hit do they? They have to be slapped in the face with their own mistakes for them to even think about being wrong. Sound familiar? I dunno, just feels to me like a titanic case of epeen, except a whole company instead of one geek with loads of imaginary gear.


Actually its more of a problem with the Japanese approach to business. To put it in short terms, they have too many people in their decision making process who are still living in the Nintendo 1 ere mentality. The industry has throttled past their ability to comprehend and react to as a group (which is very common in their bureaucratic management structure) and that's why we get a game for the PC that has an interface that seems designed to work on a bloody gameboy.

SE has an absolute advantage over any other company in the industry today when it comes to their creative storyboard and design team. It is the strength and fame of the final fantasy series... but they are pairing this talent with the outdated interface design and even worse gameplay design decisions. Its painful to see.
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The other next big mistake:

Try talking to their customer/technical support. It is like a bad game of Marco Polo. You keep saying Marco!, but no one ever replies with POLO!, even though they are supposed to be your best friend in this game.

They should go back to what they are decent at producing - Anime and single player RPG's. MMO's... they should strike off of their list. Supporting any MMO product, should also be crossed off. They have had plenty of practice by now via FFXI. Maybe communication with all customers should also be off the list, and outsourced to any company that can step up and actually communicate effectively.

It is time to trim the fat. It has been a successful company for a long time, but it has a feeling of being undermined by their support and management team. Dysfunction is dysfunction and you can't fix it, until major changes are made. Maybe we should all ship a translated version of Office Space the movie to them, in order for them to see what we see.


#27 Nov 05 2010 at 10:58 PM Rating: Excellent
I plan to stay around still despite the upcoming fees. Before they extended the trial I was already planning to probably quit, I had enough... However fortunately I've found a great LS I have joined since then and it makes it worth the stay. I've sort of grown accustomed to how the game plays now and look forward to the updates still. But I can say this... When SE releases their "next big MMO", if ever, I won't one of the few who will actually pre-order or excitedly jump to buy it. I love some of SE's games and definitely not a hater of SE products yet after FFXIV's blunder so far I can't say I'll be running out to buy any more games just because they were made by SE.
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#28 Nov 06 2010 at 12:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Sir SamusKnight wrote:
I plan to stay around still despite the upcoming fees. Before they extended the trial I was already planning to probably quit, I had enough... However fortunately I've found a great LS I have joined since then and it makes it worth the stay. I've sort of grown accustomed to how the game plays now and look forward to the updates still. But I can say this... When SE releases their "next big MMO", if ever, I won't one of the few who will actually pre-order or excitedly jump to buy it. I love some of SE's games and definitely not a hater of SE products yet after FFXIV's blunder so far I can't say I'll be running out to buy any more games just because they were made by SE.


I have heard this sentiment many times and I think it ties in to the theme of the thread nicely.

This has shaken peoples faith and turned many a few diehard fanboys (of which SE had many) who would by anything they made and scream to the heavens about how it was the best thing ever, into, well, simply just fans, people who like it generally but take a more objective or wary approach. Even if they put in 75 hour work weeks and make 14 into a true masterpiece the damage is probably already done. I believe they have pretty thoroughly thinned out their fan base. Or at least the blind faith fan base.
#29 Nov 06 2010 at 1:21 AM Rating: Default
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This is how i feel. I am goign to pay for one month and see if its worth staying...

Sir SamusKnight wrote:
I plan to stay around still despite the upcoming fees. Before they extended the trial I was already planning to probably quit, I had enough... However fortunately I've found a great LS I have joined since then and it makes it worth the stay. I've sort of grown accustomed to how the game plays now and look forward to the updates still. But I can say this... When SE releases their "next big MMO", if ever, I won't one of the few who will actually pre-order or excitedly jump to buy it. I love some of SE's games and definitely not a hater of SE products yet after FFXIV's blunder so far I can't say I'll be running out to buy any more games just because they were made by SE.

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#30 Nov 06 2010 at 1:26 AM Rating: Default
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i like the game, they fixed ffxi back when it was insanely impossible to do stuff. still gonna hold out for the fix, $13 a month wont kill me i spend more everyday on lunch.

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Parsalyn wrote:
They should go back to what they are decent at producing - Anime and single player RPG's.


Agreed, wholeheartedly agreed... but I was not at all impressed with FFXIII. I don't want a recreation of an older game, but they really need to go back to the think tank and pull out everything they can to keep(read restore) the FF franchise strong.

cornyboob wrote:
I am goign to pay for one month and see if its worth staying...


Not trying to push you out the door because it's obvious you don't want to go, but I have to ask:

If you're in for two months and there isn't really anything about the changes over those 60 days to keep you there, why stick around and pay for another 30?
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What is it? 12 bucks?! 12 dollars.. not 100, 12. Seriously I spend more than that on vending machine crap during breaks at work. You people have 1000+ dollar pcs and you act like "OH THEY AINT GETTIN NO MORE OF MAH MONEYZ" like its gonna break your bank. Either you like the game or not.. Pay or dont who cares. But stop coming on here to cry about 12 lousy bucks. You people make me sick.
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#33 Nov 06 2010 at 2:10 AM Rating: Good
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Parsalyn wrote:
They should go back to what they are decent at producing - Anime and single player RPG's.


Agreed, wholeheartedly agreed... but I was not at all impressed with FFXIII. I don't want a recreation of an older game, but they really need to go back to the think tank and pull out everything they can to keep(read restore) the FF franchise strong.


The general consensus is FFXIII was rushed out the door to keep up interest while they finished FFXIIIVersus (which is supposed to be like a real FF rpg)and FFXIII Agito (for PSP).

The producer of FFXIII stated that FFXIII was NOT meant to be an rpg. I wholeheartedly agree with him. It was an interactive movie, nothing more.

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The answer is the December updates I am willing to pay to see if they hold more then what they stated as some of the promised patches on the OCT15 psoting read to me as if there was more planned then disclosed. Only the Nov patch will be in the free period for me.

Sure those anouncements could just be "words" as people have claimed could be the case.

I currently enjoy playing with the LS that I have but everything is so agressivly repetitive and I as a history have always played Healers first and Tanks. I am completely dissapointed in how its is virtually impossible to solo a Conjurer. SP is retarded and I cannot seem even in "GRIND" partys get good SP I have to resort to 5k an hour duo's to gain SP and every gain is a stab in the face if you ask me when you go 3 fights without breaking 35 and then get two fights with 0 in a row. Gladiator is a terrible letdown after playing a Paladin and a Warrior in FFXI and in WoW. I cant even craft words that would portray my dissapointment in Tanking and Healing.

I played FFXI I was a LS leader for 3 and a half years. I loved it form Day 1 NA release I was enver once dissapointed untill they decided to start chain nerfing Beastmaster. and I defected to WoW. My hopes where so High for FFXIV and i hadnt found any reviews that i thought where really damning the "Its still in beta" thought bounced around my mind alot reading the reviews i did find.

So far FFXIV Has not impressed me in any way similar to how FFXI did I was compleetely let down. Item sort and the patches related to repetitive synthasis should ahve been in on the release.

Some background info I preordered a collectors edition and was dissapointed when the codes provided in the sealed box where invalid another dissapointment apparent on day 1 before I even played for 1 second.

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Agreed, wholeheartedly agreed... but I was not at all impressed with FFXIII. I don't want a recreation of an older game, but they really need to go back to the think tank and pull out everything they can to keep(read restore) the FF franchise strong.

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Not trying to push you out the door because it's obvious you don't want to go, but I have to ask:

If you're in for two months and there isn't really anything about the changes over those 60 days to keep you there, why stick around and pay for another 30?




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#35 Nov 06 2010 at 2:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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What is it? 12 bucks?! 12 dollars.. not 100, 12. Seriously I spend more than that on vending machine crap during breaks at work. You people have 1000+ dollar pcs and you act like "OH THEY AINT GETTIN NO MORE OF MAH MONEYZ" like its gonna break your bank. Either you like the game or not.. Pay or dont who cares. But stop coming on here to cry about 12 lousy bucks. You people make me sick.


Because we don't support lousy products by throwing even more money to their makers, we make you sick? What are you, a Republican?
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#36Nilbog, Posted: Nov 06 2010 at 2:18 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So quit already. It's like this game is a "sticky inconvenience" you just keep yourself playing because in your warped minds the fact that it's free instead of a whopping 12 dollars helps you rationalize your insanity. JUST QUIT ALREADY! You obviously don;t like the game.
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What is it? 12 bucks?! 12 dollars.. not 100, 12. Seriously I spend more than that on vending machine crap during breaks at work. You people have 1000+ dollar pcs and you act like "OH THEY AINT GETTIN NO MORE OF MAH MONEYZ" like its gonna break your bank. Either you like the game or not.. Pay or dont who cares. But stop coming on here to cry about 12 lousy bucks. You people make me sick.


Because we don't support lousy products by throwing even more money to their makers, we make you sick? What are you, a Republican?



So quit already. It's like this game is a "sticky inconvenience" you just keep yourself playing because in your warped minds the fact that it's free instead of a whopping 12 dollars helps you rationalize your insanity. JUST QUIT ALREADY! You obviously don;t like the game.


I haven't logged in for over 2 weeks. Free doesn't make it good. Doesn't mean I don't want them to fix it, but I'm not going to give them credit for shoving out nothing but words so far.
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What is it? 12 bucks?! 12 dollars.. not 100, 12. Seriously I spend more than that on vending machine crap during breaks at work. You people have 1000+ dollar pcs and you act like "OH THEY AINT GETTIN NO MORE OF MAH MONEYZ" like its gonna break your bank. Either you like the game or not.. Pay or dont who cares. But stop coming on here to cry about 12 lousy bucks. You people make me sick.


Because we don't support lousy products by throwing even more money to their makers, we make you sick? What are you, a Republican?


Easy I'm a Republican and I think this guy (Nilbog) is an idiot.

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Dude you're no better than the people that nerd rage and troll on here. For every one person that comes on to nerd rage there is one that has your "pay or don't / just quit / you ppl make me sick" attitudes. You're doing just as much to run people off as the naysayers and complainers.

You've got fanatics on both sides. Now most can just over look the stupid $h!t that people say on here but I think one of the true casualties is going to be those casual fans who stuck their toes in the water to test FFXIV. Which I'm sure people with you're mentality will say good riddance we don't need your kind in "our" game (seriously the sense of self entitlement is borderline narcissistic). The people on the other side will say yeah this game sucks come join us in our crusade to persuade players to quit. But in the middle you will get that "target audience", as SE has said they wanted this to be more casual friendly, that is driven away by a lot of this negativity. A lot of that negativity can aid in being the proverbial straw that breaks the camels back for some of the fence sitters.

I hate to break it to you but you need those players. How long do you think SE will keep throwing money at this game in their current financial state if players keep quitting. Guess what you are aiding just as much as the "the people that make you sick" in driving away paying customers that could help fund making this game better.

So congratulations sir; here's your medal, you're a F&#%ing DumbA$$.

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Before FFVII SE was known as a premier RPG game designer. When VII came out they became the class of the division. However, as more and more ppl lined up to kiss their majestic a$$ they began to believe in their own hype. They became living legends in their own minds. Now (well, before the whole FFXIV fiasco) they believed they knew what was best for any RPG. Ever deal with someone that believes they know it all? They don't listen for $hit do they? They have to be slapped in the face with their own mistakes for them to even think about being wrong. Sound familiar? I dunno, just feels to me like a titanic case of epeen, except a whole company instead of one geek with loads of imaginary gear.


Agreed, because FFVII was the RPG that made everyone play it, not only RPG geeks like me. In my heart, FFVI(6 or 3 known on the SNES) was the best FF of all time. It was also the last FF to be designed for their target niche demographic. Once FF went mainstream following FF7's success, the magic was lost to many of us old timers. The only reason I played FFXI as long as I did was because of all the similarities to the golden age of FF games. As for FFXIV, I'm still in shock how poorly this game was rated by reviewers. You have the most graphically intense MMORPG of all time and yet it plays like crap. According to sales figures, SE is really hurting right now across the board. Even their new Kingdom Hearts bombed compared to their estimate. SE is a sinking ship and I'm kinda glad I already jumped off. It's ironic that I'm playing Chrono Trigger right now in my DS as I post this. If SE knew how to make good games nowadays, they won't be suffering like they are now.
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I've already keyed in my three months of crysta - and I am considering getting another UGC so I can load up my account with more crysta and extend that to six months. I enjoy this game and I am ready to put my money where my mouth is. It will suck if/when populations drop when they start charging fees but I don't expect them to develop more content without any money. That's why I want to put my six months in - so they have the certainty of my financial commitment.



The problem I have, is the content in the release was not ample. We're basically paying them in hopes that they're going to make a good game, I guess this is how Publishers feel when game companies approach them with their wacky idea's that may, or may not sell well.

I feel like SE stuck bare bones amount of funding into this game, and the decent content/patches won't start coming until they start charging a monthly fee, because SE doesn't seem to want to put the time, and money into making it the game it should've been from launch.

I don't know how much respect I can have for square after that.

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I believe in this game. The only way SE could disappoint me is by giving up on the game. The ability to get more retainers, NMS, searchable wards and more recipes - are all more than enough to sate me. I am pretty convinced that when they introduce more content I am going to need to be higher ranked to enjoy it - so I don't see ranking up to be a waste...


I can't speak for everyone, but I actually enjoy the leveling experience in MMO's, but only when the experience is fun and rewarding. The leveling experience in FFXIV, feels neither fun, nor rewarding. If they aren't going to add any content except for when you reach max level, then I won't feel bad giving up on this game.

Rushing to end game, so you can sit around for hours waiting for your linkshell to get together so you can do an event isn't the most fun i've had in an MMO.


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If that's the case-- that the amount of content in the low-mid game is all there will ever be-- most of the people who don't play now, will never play it. Just the act of leveling is excruciatingly boring, and that's a direct result of the lack of content in addition to a poorly balanced and underdeveloped combat system.

Somehow they have to make the game fun enough that people will actually want to get high-leveled, and just making lots of endgame content isn't going to be enough.
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I'm sticking around regardless of the subscription being charged or not.
I've said many times when complaining about the shortcomings of this game that I wanted very much for it to succeed.
If I pull my sub, I'm addding to the chance SE will look at the sub numbers and decide it's not worth it.
I gotta put my money where my mouth is, at least until the end of the year, or else I'd feel I was just being a big ole whiner. Make no mistake though, if these november and december updates leave us feeling like they are still not getting it, I'm out. I don't just mean the obvious things either, like search functions, chat, UI issues, crafting streamlining, better optmization for the PC (the ONLY crowd that's playing atm)- but the old SE suspects will be on my radar as well. If I see just as many things broken, or ninja'ed from these updates, it'll be just as detrimental to my opinion as any overlooked content.
Oh and if I'm still playing FFXIV Track and Field come December, that'll be a big ole red x on teh scorecard as well.
I've had quite enough of spending 1/2 my playtime running from town to town to camp and back again, and feeling like it's Christmas when I have more than 10 anima.
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#43 Nov 06 2010 at 5:21 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm sticking around regardless of the subscription being charged or not.
I've said many times when complaining about the shortcomings of this game that I wanted very much for it to succeed.
If I pull my sub, I'm addding to the chance SE will look at the sub numbers and decide it's not worth it.
I gotta put my money where my mouth is, at least until the end of the year, or else I'd feel I was just being a big ole whiner. Make no mistake though, if these november and december updates leave us feeling like they are still not getting it, I'm out. I don't just mean the obvious things either, like search functions, chat, UI issues, crafting streamlining, better optmization for the PC (the ONLY crowd that's playing atm)- but the old SE suspects will be on my radar as well. If I see just as many things broken, or ninja'ed from these updates, it'll be just as detrimental to my opinion as any overlooked content.
Oh and if I'm still playing FFXIV Track and Field come December, that'll be a big ole red x on teh scorecard as well.
I've had quite enough of spending 1/2 my playtime running from town to town to camp and back again, and feeling like it's Christmas when I have more than 10 anima.


I just want to say that I'm judging you. I think that while you're entitled to your opinion, what if you quit following these holiday patches that aren't enough to fix the game in your eyes? Yet Joe standing next to you patiently waits and S-E miraculously fixes everything 3 months later. I think it's evident that anyone who has quit already believed that SE should of had their game more polished and ready to go. If you and a few friends are holding out on a miracle that not only does SE fix the game, but that enough people return to play a game that is supposed to be "future proofed". I realize you probably fall into the category of giving SE the benefit of the doubt and that's fine by me. I'm just very skeptical that SE can bring back the quitters or the people who swore a=off the game upon receiving the bad reviews. I'll tell you straight up, the game isn't worth the $50 dollar price tag. I don't care if SE fixes 99% of the issues. A game that's this "damaged" by word of mouth is going to have to fight the stigma by other players. My solution is to have S-E offer it free including a month of playtime if they honestly expect people to play this game in the future. Honestly, I have very low expectations for the PS3 launch now.

My prediction is for FFXIV to be dead by June 2011. By dead, I mean less paying customers than FFXI. I don't think any amount of patches can save this mess of a game. The game engine alone is terribly boring and mundane. It almost reeks of FF Mystic Quest all over again.
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I'm sticking around regardless of the subscription being charged or not.
I've said many times when complaining about the shortcomings of this game that I wanted very much for it to succeed.
If I pull my sub, I'm addding to the chance SE will look at the sub numbers and decide it's not worth it.
I gotta put my money where my mouth is, at least until the end of the year, or else I'd feel I was just being a big ole whiner. Make no mistake though, if these november and december updates leave us feeling like they are still not getting it, I'm out. I don't just mean the obvious things either, like search functions, chat, UI issues, crafting streamlining, better optmization for the PC (the ONLY crowd that's playing atm)- but the old SE suspects will be on my radar as well. If I see just as many things broken, or ninja'ed from these updates, it'll be just as detrimental to my opinion as any overlooked content.
Oh and if I'm still playing FFXIV Track and Field come December, that'll be a big ole red x on teh scorecard as well.
I've had quite enough of spending 1/2 my playtime running from town to town to camp and back again, and feeling like it's Christmas when I have more than 10 anima.


I just want to say that I'm judging you. I think that while you're entitled to your opinion, what if you quit following these holiday patches that aren't enough to fix the game in your eyes? Yet Joe standing next to you patiently waits and S-E miraculously fixes everything 3 months later. I think it's evident that anyone who has quit already believed that SE should of had their game more polished and ready to go. If you and a few friends are holding out on a miracle that not only does SE fix the game, but that enough people return to play a game that is supposed to be "future proofed". I realize you probably fall into the category of giving SE the benefit of the doubt and that's fine by me. I'm just very skeptical that SE can bring back the quitters or the people who swore a=off the game upon receiving the bad reviews. I'll tell you straight up, the game isn't worth the $50 dollar price tag. I don't care if SE fixes 99% of the issues. A game that's this "damaged" by word of mouth is going to have to fight the stigma by other players. My solution is to have S-E offer it free including a month of playtime if they honestly expect people to play this game in the future. Honestly, I have very low expectations for the PS3 launch now.

My prediction is for FFXIV to be dead by June 2011. By dead, I mean less paying customers than FFXI. I don't think any amount of patches can save this mess of a game. The game engine alone is terribly boring and mundane. It almost reeks of FF Mystic Quest all over again.


Doesn't it already have less paying customers than XI?
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Doesn't it already have less paying customers than XI?


Yes, but to compare those numbers is inaccurate. We have to wait until after the PS3 launch to count the total numbers since FFXI has Xbox 360/PS2 users. I'm almost certain unless SE somehow fixes the game prior to the PS3 launch, FFXIV is doomed. Again, failure means getting defeated by a 9 year old game with PS2 limitations.
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Doesn't it already have less paying customers than XI?


Yes, but to compare those numbers is inaccurate. We have to wait until after the PS3 launch to count the total numbers since FFXI has Xbox 360/PS2 users. I'm almost certain unless SE somehow fixes the game prior to the PS3 launch, FFXIV is doomed. Again, failure means getting defeated by a 9 year old game with PS2 limitations.


Heh, failure for FFXIV means getting beat by Darkfall, Mortal Online, even Star Trek Online, not to mention every generic asian grinder out there. Games the majority of NA/EU mmo players would consider garbage will have beaten FFXIV.


Speaking of asian grinders, I think I finally understand why FFXIV was made the way it was (complete grind). SE is releasing FFXIV in China soon, and apparently the Chinese were very involved in FFXIV's development.



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Your accounts don't get deleted if you suspend your service... if you don't want to pay for a month in fear of SE not fixing the majority of the issues, then simply suspend your account temporarily and check the lodestone once in awhile to see what they patch. If they fix the issues that caused the game to be unplayable for you, then simply reactivate your account and have fun.
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What is it? 12 bucks?! 12 dollars.. not 100, 12. Seriously I spend more than that on vending machine crap during breaks at work. You people have 1000+ dollar pcs and you act like "OH THEY AINT GETTIN NO MORE OF MAH MONEYZ" like its gonna break your bank. Either you like the game or not.. Pay or dont who cares. But stop coming on here to cry about 12 lousy bucks. You people make me sick.



How is this guy not sub-defaulted yet?

Let me put this in words that someone with a 5 IQ will understand (obvious if you are spending 12 bucks in a vending machine at 'work') This game is hammered dog-$#it. It was when it was released and now over 30 days later it isn't much better. At the 60 day point I suspect that those of us who paid 75 dollars for a product that can't compete with TONS of free to play games have a right to be SERIOUSLY unhappy. And YES, I will be among those that quit if most of the glaring problems are not fixed BEFORE my billing date.

Its not about 13 dollars, its about paying for substandard garbage and a company who refuses to listen to their customers. You can put all the lipstick you want on a pig, but its still a pig - a point that has been made glaringly obvious on my server by the fact that 1/2 of the playing population is already gone - weeks prior to the first bill date.

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If that's the case-- that the amount of content in the low-mid game is all there will ever be-- most of the people who don't play now, will never play it. Just the act of leveling is excruciatingly boring, and that's a direct result of the lack of content in addition to a poorly balanced and underdeveloped combat system.


Well man I played FFXI for two years and never broke 50 once. I was unable to unlock most of the content in the game at my level. I couldn't even find a group to do the level-capped (30) chains of promathia missions since most of my playtime was post 2006. I played FFXI more than any other MMO, so from my perspective, MMOs usually have a LOT of content (over their life span) that appeals to people at max level (since many players will spend most of their gaming time at these levels) - from what people have said about WoW it seems like the majority of that game is at end game too.

I do hope that SE adds more 20-30 content (and content for every level) soon - because let's face it - it is a bloody long stretch. However - no matter how much content is in the middle levels - if this game lasts, most of the content - especially the best content, will probably be for higher ranked players in the long term.
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If that's the case-- that the amount of content in the low-mid game is all there will ever be-- most of the people who don't play now, will never play it. Just the act of leveling is excruciatingly boring, and that's a direct result of the lack of content in addition to a poorly balanced and underdeveloped combat system.


Well man I played FFXI for two years and never broke 50 once. I was unable to unlock most of the content in the game at my level. I couldn't even find a group to do the level-capped (30) chains of promathia missions since most of my playtime was post 2006. I played FFXI more than any other MMO, so from my perspective, MMOs usually have a LOT of content (over their life span) that appeals to people at max level (since many players will spend most of their gaming time at these levels) - from what people have said about WoW it seems like the majority of that game is at end game too.

I do hope that SE adds more 20-30 content (and content for every level) soon - because let's face it - it is a bloody long stretch. However - no matter how much content is in the middle levels - if this game lasts, most of the content - especially the best content, will probably be for higher ranked players in the long term.


Other mmos focus on high level content because their low level content is already full and bursting at the seams. New players have no shortage of things to do.
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Nobody is going to force them to pull the trigger on an additional 30-days, except to say "This is never happening." The first free expansion is a move that causes players to think "MMOs are never really finished upon release, and I appreciate them acknowledging the unplayability of the game." Throwing out another free thirty days after that is a confirmation that the problems with the game are so systemic that they couldn't be fixed within ninety days of launch. "If you aren't interested in the game now, take another thirty days off... then come back and reevaluate it."

At this point, even if the November patch is the miracle patch that people have been waiting for, people aren't going to come back. Why would they give another chance to a botched game that may or may not have addressed their major concerns in favor of returning to games that already do it better, or purchasing new games that sell themselves better? ****, at this point I wouldn't even play FFXIV if it were free-to-play. It has months of development ahead of it before it becomes actually enjoyable to the majority of people.

FFXIV is one of the biggest MMO blunders in history at this point. It takes a concerted effort to turn a property that is beloved throughout the world into a poisonous word that people spit out of the corners of their mouths in disdain. All they had to do was make a game that was fun, and they failed on nearly every metric. I honestly don't know how a company gets so self-involved that they manage to destroy themselves in the process.
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