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#52 Nov 06 2010 at 1:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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Indeed, there will always be someone complaining about something. Granted the Nov/Dec updates will effectively be "the release version" and we've been playing the "save your progress open beta", there will always be something someone doesn't like. "Customer complaints" (constructive feedback, to say the same thing in a positive way) are a large part of the reason FFXI, or any other MMO are in their current state.


I don't think you understand. I'm not talking about your standard fare whiners. There is so little content in XIV, you would still have an onslaught of unsatisfied players.

Edited, Nov 6th 2010 1:00pm by Kachi
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#53 Nov 06 2010 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
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No one is in a panic mode and you truely have no idea what is *really* going on at SE, so stop pretending you do because someone flashed some info around that could easily be misread OR could be part of a bigger buisness play.

Are you really trying to sit there and tell me they planned to extend the free trial period by another month? Thats what their big business play is? They planned to have game reviews give their game an average of 4.5? What the **** kind of business planning is that?
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You truely have no idea that all these changes that are purposed to be fixed may have already been a goal to try and implement during beta, they possible just ran out of time and was pushed to release and then release these changes in the frist series of patches, we will never really know, will we.

who cares if they were a goal or not? Them knowing and ignoring the problems makes this worse.Ran out of time? As if the amount of time beta runs is up to some one else? If it were true they would have released them within the first month when they asked the reviewers to wait. They did not do this, It has been two months and still have ****** problems everywhere. This doesn't seem very pre planned, Id understand they they released the game and within the first month we started to see real changes. UI fixes some content added AH, search function, party mechanics ect ect.

Saying your going to fix it isn't the same as fixing it...

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How do you truely know that this product is only half made? Who says it is? Because it lacked all the really super dooper awesome features that WoW had? Did the CEO of SE come to your house and personally tell you that the game is only half finished?

We'd better hope its half finished... If it isn't half finished the game deserves 1/10. We also know there is a lot of content missing through interviews with SE ect ect. I mean you have to be retarded to not see that the game is missing large chunks...

Maybe you require personal visits from CEOs to be able to comprehend whats going on but actions speek louder then words for the rest of us.

When your earnings tumble by 75% you go into panic mode.. any company would... when some one sells off 26million in shares because of your last game release guess what ***** going bad...

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The truth is, it would seem you are new to the MMO scene ethier that or very badly sheltered, no MMO is truely finished in its live release, ever.

Who me? Yeah I just arrived.
No one is asking for a finished MMO only one that is playable by more then 20% of people who start it.
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Lucky I am not American then. I like how you just automatically assume that everyone is an American though.

You do clearly, however, have a superiority complex.

I dont care what you are..

I hope your never in charge of anything important.
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#54 Nov 06 2010 at 2:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Can't believe you're still going on about this... I wonder if my other post hurt THAT much?! (here it is for the non-forum stalkers)

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So ya I guess i should have just left this site but then again my opinion counts here as much as yours. Your the small percentage that is still enjoying the game.


BriktheImmortal wrote:
So ya I guess i should have just left this site but then again my opinion counts here as much as yours.


BriktheImmortal wrote:
my opinion counts


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No.



I will just say that your opinion means nothing. If you have complaints... there is a "Complaint Thread" that you can click on. No one will be bothered by your opinion there... In that magical thread you can find like-minded people for you to complain with each and every day!!!

You can even read through all the other posts from people like you if you want some extra material~

I understand that you're upset about the game... but you're just whining... no one cares about a whiner... (ie: you)

And the arrogancy that goes along with posting a thread such as "Why does MY opinion bother you?" like people actually care what you have to say is shocking.... the minute I hit "post" it will be like you never existed in my life.. I will not be tossing and turning each and every night worried about your opinion.....

If you want to be an activist,use the complaint thread to communicate with SE.

Edited, Nov 6th 2010 3:38pm by MaverickBG
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#55 Nov 06 2010 at 2:54 PM Rating: Decent
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OP I hope you read all the posts here, you have alot of people who we are talking about. Like one guy saying our ego is so attached to the game by the <censored> they making it hurt. Those are the people who should no longer post. ffxi was launched bare bones but that isn't a mistake. most mmo are barebones at launch. MMO get better with age. MMo used to be niches. Meaning mmo players only played mmo. No you got all different niches playing mmo. This is both a good and bad thing. MMo are more popular now, but with that more expectations. Which is going on America, Eu and japan. People go into an mmo as mmo veteran. Not newbies to the game. If you went in an a newbie to the game, you would have no expectation or self made standards.


Also it is an incorrect rumor wards replaced an AH. Also OP don't compare SE to hitler.. that is just bad taste. SE gave reason accept them or don't. SE was smart not to add an ah at launch. the econ would be worst for it. You can't build an econ over night, or ina mnth. It takes time.

Also it does take time to make and install patches. SE is not really going slow with it. I seen worst.
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#56Taemek, Posted: Nov 06 2010 at 2:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ............................................______ __
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I did read them and for the ones that stayed civil thank you. I was beginning to be curious if any still existed.

I will finish by saying I want to love the game, I love the concept, I love the storyline that is there. I am not looking for an explosion of content, and the majority of this thread is not about what I am or am not looking for in FF14. Honestly i ma not looking for anything other than a good game. Thats it I do not care about how SE does it just that SE does it. I have hope and faith that it will happen, probably not in the next two months but that it will happen.


Again thank you all for your opinions and if Admin would lock the thread nothing left to hash out here other than people yelling at each other.
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This is all just a fanboy civil war. Some are hurt that SE gave them such a crap game, the others are hurt that anyone would call it crap.
#58 Nov 06 2010 at 3:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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What is this, 4chan? This forum has been going steadily down hill and now we're resorting to ASCII facepalms? Be careful, your maturity is showing.
#59Taemek, Posted: Nov 06 2010 at 3:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RTc32qBpAk
#60 Nov 06 2010 at 3:09 PM Rating: Good
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I'm curious as someone who is genuinely wondering how anyone could enjoy this mess without wearing some form of rosy inspired glasses. What do you enjoy about it exactly? Nostalgia can often make a person close-minded to see the truth. FFXIV is clearly a step backwards from FFXI which is quite sad.
FFXI introduced the job/support job system, allowing players to use abilities from different jobs together as one. However, this system was limited in that you could only mix two jobs and the usefulness of your support class was sorely limited by skill limitations and the half main-job level cap.

Final Fantasy XIV, on the other hand, expands upon this system allowing you to mix any skill of the same trade, opening up a huge variety of options for players. How exactly is this a backwards step? The crafting system, rather than relying on pure luck and random skill ups (the occasional 0.1 Clothcraft skill every 12 synths) always grants SP when you craft and gives you more control over the outcome. Again I ask, how is this a backwards step?

No, it's not the same game. If you wanted it that way, then why not just play FFXI and get it over with? The essence of the game isn't what is at fault here, it's bad presentation. A poor, laggy UI combined with ill-fitting combat and a lack of story content is where the issues are and all of which have been recognised by SE.

Never have I said it's the best game I played, nor have I condoned it's many faults. I have merely stated I enjoy the game, and that is why I continue playing. If I was a minority, I guarantee the servers would be far emptier than they currently are.
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#61Taemek, Posted: Nov 06 2010 at 3:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I got a giggle out of it, isn't that all that matters?
#62 Nov 06 2010 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I did read them and for the ones that stayed civil thank you. I was beginning to be curious if any still existed.

I will finish by saying I want to love the game, I love the concept, I love the storyline that is there. I am not looking for an explosion of content, and the majority of this thread is not about what I am or am not looking for in FF14. Honestly i ma not looking for anything other than a good game. Thats it I do not care about how SE does it just that SE does it. I have hope and faith that it will happen, probably not in the next two months but that it will happen.


Again thank you all for your opinions and if Admin would lock the thread nothing left to hash out here other than people yelling at each other.


So have fun with stuff you like, limit play time and do other stuff. Or take a break from the game and posting. I'm not saying it to be mean. I'm saying it before you get bitter. I'm like you just opposite. I'm getting tired of "wanting to like the game" people. You like it or you don't. Nothing is perfect, no game or anything. If you want to like it, like it. Know faults will fixed. ffxi is still a great game and SE delivered their promises. And even thensome. Coming from ffxivcore.com no one really gave the game a chance.
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#63mattkujata, Posted: Nov 06 2010 at 3:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That's Square Enix's *** right there. I wonder if they expected that people would reach the level cap after as little as 5 weeks. The surplus system was surprisingly lenient, granted I only ever reached the 4th tier and that was with too much playtime.
#64 Nov 06 2010 at 3:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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What is this, 4chan? This forum has been going steadily down hill and now we're resorting to ASCII facepalms? Be careful, your maturity is showing.

Thats what happens when people cant counter an argument...
He may have just as well put his fingers in his ears and screamed "NO YOU" over and over while walking away.

Edited, Nov 6th 2010 5:25pm by ketrel
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#65 Nov 06 2010 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
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FFXI introduced the job/support job system, allowing players to use abilities from different jobs together as one. However, this system was limited in that you could only mix two jobs and the usefulness of your support class was sorely limited by skill limitations and the half main-job level cap.

Final Fantasy XIV, on the other hand, expands upon this system allowing you to mix any skill of the same trade, opening up a huge variety of options for players. How exactly is this a backwards step? The crafting system, rather than relying on pure luck and random skill ups (the occasional 0.1 Clothcraft skill every 12 synths) always grants SP when you craft and gives you more control over the outcome. Again I ask, how is this a backwards step?

No, it's not the same game. If you wanted it that way, then why not just play FFXI and get it over with? The essence of the game isn't what is at fault here, it's bad presentation. A poor, laggy UI combined with ill-fitting combat and a lack of story content is where the issues are and all of which have been recognised by SE.

Never have I said it's the best game I played, nor have I condoned it's many faults. I have merely stated I enjoy the game, and that is why I continue playing. If I was a minority, I guarantee the servers would be far emptier than they currently are.


All I'm saying is that with the lessons learned from FFXI, most of these problems shouldn't even exist. You're partially correct about the crafting system in XI prior to Synergy. Now you can skill up every time as long as you do it right. I know it's not the same thing. The comparisons are meant to compare basic essentials of ALL MMO's, not just pro/cons of FF games. The buggy game play and inferior UI compared to XI is a step back word for example. You'd think that in all years of MMO research that the UI would be improved, not the reverse. The combat in FF14 is slow and boring and even the PS2 version of FFXI does a better job. That's my problem with the game in a nutshell. If SE can't even get the basics right to evolve past FFXI, a game released in 2002, what is the point here?

The sad part to all of this is that people who continue to play are basically an unfinished game. A game they will soon pay for and yet be getting ripped off. A game that shot for the moon in hardware specs and yet cannot handle the game no matter how uber your rig. A game that epically failed to meet the basic standards of any token MMO, not even comparing FFXI to FFXIV. I'm very angry that SE pulled this stunt and what's worse is the fact that all those people who said prior to the launch that SE is a greedy pathetic company were right. We had a Beta phase where players told the Devs what was wrong and the game wasn't acceptable. Most complained about the combat system in which SE replied they only implemented a mock engine so they could test the game. Fast forward to today, what do you like about the game that makes you continue playing it? Because it's free? Or you a ****** who enjoys torturing one's self? Seriously, I need to know how anyone could be that blind so there must be something I'm missing.
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