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#1 Nov 06 2010 at 1:01 PM Rating: Default
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ok so basicly i havent really been doing much besides leves but today i decided to do a bit of farming.. and well. for 1 farming sheep south of limsa i saw abt 15 ppl there at least 5-7 were stand still and target bots spread around the sheep spawn points and the rest of the people were speed hacking. some more obvious then others aka. no hermes shoes but catch up and pass me running twords a sheep at twice my speed

then later i decided to sell some shardss and crystals i wasnt being greedy set a nice low price. 250g per shard for wind/lightning/fire/earth and 2.5k for the crystals and yet i get this
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seriously is that all thats left on the servers? botters speedhackers and scammers?
this makes me a sad panda
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#2 Nov 06 2010 at 1:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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speedhack...?? lol are you sure about that because there is that lag interval that makes it seem like their speedhacking but their not..
#3 Nov 06 2010 at 1:34 PM Rating: Default
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when your running a far distance and someone catches up and passes you out of nowhere , or your running neck and neck and you notice there running just a bit faster like 10% or so thats not lag

ive seen superspeed there suddenly way in front of you lag but i was farming for hours these ppl were consistantly running faster then me without any speed buffs
and like i said some were just a bit faster like they were trying to make it not very noticable and others were full on speed machines

ive seen these for awhile pretty much since day 1 as ffxiv has no security people use cheatengine ect to do speedhacks as well as mouse autoclickers to craft and macros to "bot" that basicly tab and attack over and over til they attack something nearby and spam 1 over and over til its dead usualy followed by a cure and a mp regen if timers up
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#4 Nov 06 2010 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent
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I guess the community we all "liked" in the past is still over at FFXI waiting for last 2 expansions to be finished. :D
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You've posted several times about hacking, and I've yet to see anything. Can you fraps this?
#6 Nov 06 2010 at 1:40 PM Rating: Good
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I guess the community we all "liked" in the past is still over at FFXI waiting for last 2 expansions to be finished. :D


Maybe. I do know that almost all of the loudmouths, braggarts, elitists, and general assclowns I've come across in XIV are from XI.

More on topic, I don't think it's fair to label the entire community as lacking because of the botters and people trying to get something for nothing. You encountered a group of players in one area that were up to some potentially shady shenanigans and one person trying to get themselves a deal on shards. That does not an entire community make.

Edited, Nov 6th 2010 12:40pm by Aurelius
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yeah lol my "temporarily retired" but still paying monthly fees character i sped more time on it lately then ffxiv.. i may even reactivate my 2nd acct thats just a 75rdm/37whm,blm and PL myself on jobs ive yet to level.. or maybe buy the expansions and work on abbysea stuff


idunno meh just all these bots scammers and hackers i mean the one day in the past few weeks i stay online past just doing my leves and someone tries to scam me after running through a field of cheaters for a few hours.. its not very fun you know.....

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You've posted several times about hacking, and I've yet to see anything. Can you fraps this?

last time i frapsed a bot i used my buddy pass acct to do it and it got banned and the bot i was frapsing didnt .. so no. i will not fraps on my main

Edited, Nov 6th 2010 2:43pm by Galkaholics
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#8 Nov 06 2010 at 1:42 PM Rating: Decent
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yeah lol my "temporarily retired" but still paying monthly fees character i sped more time on it lately then ffxiv.. i may even reactivate my 2nd acct thats just a 75rdm/37whm,blm and PL myself on jobs ive yet to level.. or maybe buy the expansions and work on abbysea stuff


idunno meh just all these bots scammers and hackers i mean the one day in the past few weeks i stay online past just doing my leves and someone tries to scam me after running through a field of cheaters for a few hours.. its not very fun you know.....


They aren't trying to "scam" you. They're offering you something in exchange for something. What they're offering is well below the market rate and I don't blame you for not being interested (and maybe even a little offended) but that's not a scam.
#9 Nov 06 2010 at 1:47 PM Rating: Default
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actually it was more then just the one i had another guy offer me abt the same but i was actually online to reply when he did and he basicly told me that shards were only worth 100g ect ect treating me like a total noob trying to take advantage of me. this happened after the initial scroll through where i screenshotted and after the argument i had with him i logged off. so unless theres a hidden chat log somewhere in the square enix folder like windower has for ffxi theres no way i can post that conversation. basicly the 2nd guy got me pretty ****** so i logged. cant prove it so meh
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#10 Nov 06 2010 at 2:05 PM Rating: Decent
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actually it was more then just the one i had another guy offer me abt the same but i was actually online to reply when he did and he basicly told me that shards were only worth 100g ect ect treating me like a total noob trying to take advantage of me. this happened after the initial scroll through where i screenshotted and after the argument i had with him i logged off. so unless theres a hidden chat log somewhere in the square enix folder like windower has for ffxi theres no way i can post that conversation. basicly the 2nd guy got me pretty ****** so i logged. cant prove it so meh


I think that maybe you're just a little too thin skinned for MMOs. You'd probably benefit from trying to not let bots get you worked up so much. And being assertive goes a long way. Instead of letting people get under your skin trying to convince you to sell your goods for their price, next time try telling them that the price you've set is the price you're selling for and if they don't like it to stop sending you tells. And if they continue, you blacklist them and move on.

You get worked up over nothing at the drop of a hat. That's not a reflection on the "community", that's a reflection on you.
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There seems to be this recurring theme with you... you post odd stuff about people or the game, you get flamed, you get defensive, you get sub defualted. Look your own LS treated you so badly you felt the need to quit it... Maybe you need to step back and take a close look at yourself, is there a reason so many people dislike you?

As to the shards, anything over 200 isn't low... it's just lower than the people raping them for 300+ a pop. If you want to get rid of masses of crystals put your retainer in the appropriate ward and name it something about selling crystals. If anything, mean people might buy up all your "cheap" shards and then set our retainer up right next to you selling them for 300+. Happens to me every other day and I'm not complaining one bit, though said retainer now has 5 stacks of wind shards at 390, I wonder if they've figured out why they don't sell yet...
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#12 Nov 06 2010 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
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You get worked up over nothing at the drop of a hat. That's not a reflection on the "community", that's a reflection on you.


I sort of have to agree. Quite an emo subject for such a fairly minor complaint. Suck it up and move on.
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#13 Nov 06 2010 at 2:13 PM Rating: Decent
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They do exist there are even videos on youtube to try to sell the programs.

Wont link to the video but it deffinately exists.

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Save yourself hours of travel, farm gil faster then ever before, exploit, and powerlevel any class with our fully undetected ffxiv hack.


id post the youtube video but its a sales video with a link to the site


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#14 Nov 06 2010 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
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actually looking at my past 100 or so posts there mostly decent/good and even like 2 excellents and like 1 or 2 sub defaults i just checked.. though the past 20 or so are all default but that just means they havent been rated good or bad cause when i post it comes out as default by well... default lol
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#15 Nov 06 2010 at 2:31 PM Rating: Good
I'm gonna jump on the "get over it" bandwagon for this one. I just did a little youtube browsing, seems like there are such hacks available. To that I say: If people want to spend money to cheat at an online game, whoopee for them. So, they get ahead of the pack, they have lots of gil, maybe they get the occasional "ooh, ahh" glance. If any of that is important to someone, plus they have to cheat to achieve it, I pity them.

Who we are in game is a reflection of who we are in real life, and that's a shallow, hollow existence. I thought like the OP once, up in arms about gil selling, botting, etc... None of that matters to me. I play for a challenge. I enjoy earning what I get, both in life and in game. I get what I want out of FFXIV and cheaters mean to me just what they are: Jack $h!t.
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I find it funny how quick they made these bots too, given how out of control they were on FFXI and how people thought FFXIV would be free from them it's funny how badly they are at not only detecting this stuff again but how easy the game is to exploit, all done in record time. Once they add nms it will be bot claiming all over again.
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There's no speed hack.

What happens if you lag, and then the server says, hey, that person moved a lot further than they moved on your screen, and they rush over to the spot, sometimes going over cliffs and giant trenches (If you've ever been to gridania, they fly across the tops of the mountains)

It's just lag, not a hack at all.

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oh hey you're on my server.

Funny I love it on there. The community is great, the linkshells I'm in have wonderful people. I have yet to see any botting characters besides the occasional cloneparty at a crystal which seems to stand around and do nothing. Are you sure we're both playing on the same Rabanastre?
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There's no speed hack.

What happens if you lag, and then the server says, hey, that person moved a lot further than they moved on your screen, and they rush over to the spot, sometimes going over cliffs and giant trenches (If you've ever been to gridania, they fly across the tops of the mountains)

It's just lag, not a hack at all.


type "ffxiv hack" into google, watch the video on youtube then go over to the site and buy the program which lets you do all the things mentioned. yes it is a hack, quite hilarious. I knew nothing of it till i saw this post and typed that into google lol I'm in awe how quick they made it and how inept Square are all over again with combatting them. Warp anywhere without using anima, speed hacking etc.. gj Square.

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I find it funny how quick they made these bots too, given how out of control they were on FFXI and how people thought FFXIV would be free from them it's funny how badly they are at not only detecting this stuff again but how easy the game is to exploit, all done in record time. Once they add nms it will be bot claiming all over again.


I never expected XIV to be free from bots and it's way too early to tell right now whether or not SE has effective countermeasures in place. It would make sense to me that SE is fully aware of what is going on and is observing. "Know thine enymy" is a phrase that comes to mind. So far, aside from people getting up in arms by the mere presence of bots, I haven't really seen any negative impact on the economy as a result of RMT presence.
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I never expected XIV to be free from bots and it's way too early to tell right now whether or not SE has effective countermeasures in place. It would make sense to me that SE is fully aware of what is going on and is observing. "Know thine enymy" is a phrase that comes to mind.


I don't know if you ever played FFXI at endgame levels but trust me the 3rd party situation was really out of hand and Square basically said they had no idea who was using them and who not and washed their hands of it, basically let it run rampant, giving the 3rd party app users a huge advantage over everyone else. Took years to get bad on 11 though, from the look of this however it seems like they are being used in record time on this new game.

They knew how bad it was on FFXI, they should of shut that site down in record time. This isnt even some hidden app either, its right out there with youtube sales videos lol
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I never expected XIV to be free from bots and it's way too early to tell right now whether or not SE has effective countermeasures in place. It would make sense to me that SE is fully aware of what is going on and is observing. "Know thine enymy" is a phrase that comes to mind.


I don't know if you ever played FFXI at endgame levels but trust me the 3rd party situation was really out of hand and Square basically said they had no idea who was using them and who not and washed their hands of it, basically let it run rampant, giving the 3rd party app users a huge advantage over everyone else. Took years to get bad on 11 though, from the look of this however it seems like they are being used in record time on this new game.

They knew how bad it was on FFXI, they should of shut that site down in record time. This isnt even some hidden app either, its right out there with youtube sales videos lol


I was all too familiar with the endgame community in XI. I was passed over for loot back when Sky was actually one of the more important endgame activities because I didn't contribute to the LS bot license fund. At the time I just thought they were douchebags but I found out afterward that you were given loot priority as a reward for handing over some cash towards the license for the latest and greatest bot. I was also shut out of sky for months because everyone was tired of farming triggers for the three guardians we could fight knowing that Byakko was pretty much off limits until SE did something about the Ullikummi bots. In almost two years at the level cap I never once got to fight any of the ground kings (or even the original land HNMs) because most people had given up trying to compete with the botting shells and the shell I was in that passed me over for loot never did wind up with their own bot during the time I was with them. And by the time SE finally switched to a focus on instanced endgame content with ToAU, I had largely lost interest in the whole corrupt XI endgame scene.

The thing is, as far as we know right now there is no endgame in FFXIV. There are currently no world spawn NMs and when SE adds them, we have no idea what they'll drop. The entire economy is tuned very differently from what it was in FFXI. And when you get right down to it, it's not worth getting uptight over what might happen because of what happened in XI. If it gets out of control and SE doesn't deal with it, then start worrying about it. In terms of impact on players right now, there's no functional difference between bots and players farming the same area of a given zone. And because mobs are so spread out throughout the zones, it's not like XI where you can dominate a "camp" and prevent other players from having access to a specific type of mobs. Sheep spawn all over the place in La Noscea. If one area is heavily farmed (by players or bots) you can usually go somewhere else and find the kinds of mobs you're looking for.
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There seems to be this recurring theme with you... you post odd stuff about people or the game, you get flamed, you get defensive, you get sub defualted.
Funny, I first checked this thread right after you posted this and he wasn't actually sub-defaulted yet. An hour later and sure enough.

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I never expected XIV to be free from bots and it's way too early to tell right now whether or not SE has effective countermeasures in place. It would make sense to me that SE is fully aware of what is going on and is observing. "Know thine enymy" is a phrase that comes to mind. So far, aside from people getting up in arms by the mere presence of bots, I haven't really seen any negative impact on the economy as a result of RMT presence.
I don't know how these programs work but I'd really hoped they wouldn't be an issue. RMT activity at NMs camps and in fishing were huge issues in XI and it's easy to believe similar problems may develop in XIV, even with a differently structured economy. Even if it doesn't make gil a problem, it's still a source of frustration that just shouldn't be present in a game.

I assume it's impossible for a game developer to completely prevent abuse like this so it's annoying to see SE making design choices which make these hacks so powerful. If travel times weren't such a burden then no one would care about teleport hacks, and if claiming mobs wasn't difficult, speed hacks and claim bots wouldn't be so annoying. In a perfect world players wouldn't even have access to these types of programs. Failing that, it would be nice if SE could just ban everyone who uses them before they get a chance to really abuse them.

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I assume it's impossible for a game developer to completely prevent abuse like this so it's annoying to see SE making design choices which make these hacks so powerful. If travel times weren't such a burden then no one would care about teleport hacks, and if claiming mobs wasn't difficult, speed hacks and claim bots wouldn't be so annoying. In a perfect world players wouldn't even have access to these types of programs. Failing that, it would be nice if SE could just ban everyone who uses them before they get a chance to really abuse them.


RMT use speed/port hacks in every MMO I've ever played. They're a business. Time is money. It doesn't matter if it takes 2 minutes or half an hour to get to where you need to be, they'll use the hacks. That's why I don't let it bother me. It's not something I can directly do anything about so I've learned to just work around it. Again, if it was an issue where it was directly interfering with my ability to enjoy the game by preventing access to content that I want to take part in then yes, it's an issue that needs to be dealt with expeditiously by the developer. But the mere fact that there are players in the game using them doesn't warrant any particular level of frustration or anxiety. It's not worth it.
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I don't know why some are surprised by bots at this point. You had to know that people looking to abuse the system have been working on it since they got into the beta.

I'm very apprehensive about the world spawn NMs they're introducing. At least now, as flawed as this game is, you're not directly getting screwed by some mouthbreathing ******* that's botting. Soon, we could be, and it could be a big deal in terms of the value being lost.
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The guy's asking for a bulk rate on the item (in this case crystals). What's so awful about that? You say no, or counter-offer.
That's something done in every business in the world. You buy a sh*t-ton and we'll give you a great price!

I fail to see how he is being anything but inquisitive, as he asked nicely, and what the **** does this have to do with "speedhackers" or RMT or bots?

I find the community VERY friendly, I wouldn't have got near the crafting ranks so far without help from people I bumped into in my travels.

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#27 Nov 06 2010 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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preludes wrote:
They do exist there are even videos on youtube to try to sell the programs.

Wont link to the video but it deffinately exists.

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Get the only final fantasy xiv hack on the net with a number of features including waypoint based teleporting, directional teleporter, speedhack scale hack, zoom hack, and hotkey macro mode.
Save yourself hours of travel, farm gil faster then ever before, exploit, and powerlevel any class with our fully undetected ffxiv hack.


id post the youtube video but its a sales video with a link to the site


Edited, Nov 6th 2010 4:20pm by preludes


Most if not all those type of advertised hack/cheat programs are nothing more then a scam. The real hack sites and programs are hidden away, deep in the internet and not something you find by searching for it. They rely on word-of-mouth advertisement.

No hack actually exsists, what happens is you get sent to site that hosts your so called software purchase and when you download it, it ethier fails to download OR you end up putting a key logger on your system at which point, not only have you paid for a software program that never exsisted, but now your being hacked via giving your details to the recipient and they are making even more money out of you, again by stealing all your ingame goods.......

Point of the story, just don't cheat, plain and simple.

Edited, Nov 6th 2010 5:57pm by Taemek
#28 Nov 06 2010 at 3:57 PM Rating: Good
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At least now, you're not directly getting screwed by some mouthbreathing ******* that's botting. Soon, we could be, and it could be a big deal in terms of the value being lost.


I enjoyed camping NMs in FFXI. I loved the little adrenaline rush I'd get when I knew spawn was close, or I finally saw the NM I was camping appear and I'd go after it. Bots were a problem, but also there were your 'perma campers'. See: Amemet, Castle Oztroja NM Yagudos, LoO. You name it, if it dropped anything worth anything, the same characters were always there, /anon, wearing generic gear, with some f$@%@d up name.

The idea of open world NMs is exciting, but I would hope that SE plans to do a few things;
- unique/untradable item drops, if it's something of great importance stat wise
- instanced or 'item popped' NMs (farm a rare item and then pop the NM for a chance at your drop)
- very large spawn areas, not 45 people standing at a pool of water spamming a claim ability

They did a lot to make the NM / rare monster aspect of FFXI more fair and accessible to everyone, hopefully they bring it into FFXIV.


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...if it was an issue where it was directly interfering with my ability to enjoy the game by preventing access to content that I want to take part in then yes, it's an issue that needs to be dealt with expeditiously by the developer.

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I'm very apprehensive about the world spawn NMs they're introducing. At least now, as flawed as this game is, you're not directly getting screwed by some mouthbreathing ******* that's botting.

In addition, while I accept that RMT will use whatever advantages they can get, the more time you can save by using hacks, the more powerful the hack becomes. When you add all that time saved to an automated means of making gil (farm bot, fish bot, etc.) you can really bork the economy. One can at least try to curtail it by making travel easier for the non-hacker.

I don't let stuff like this worry too much, my feelings toward world spawn NMs are already lukewarm, but its disheartening to see this on youtube nonetheless.
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Aujade wrote:
I guess the community we all "liked" in the past is still over at FFXI waiting for last 2 expansions to be finished. :D


Maybe. I do know that almost all of the loudmouths, braggarts, elitists, and general assclowns I've come across in XIV are from XI.

More on topic, I don't think it's fair to label the entire community as lacking because of the botters and people trying to get something for nothing. You encountered a group of players in one area that were up to some potentially shady shenanigans and one person trying to get themselves a deal on shards. That does not an entire community make.

Edited, Nov 6th 2010 12:40pm by Aurelius


And you? Have you played XI? Well obviously..
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Nothing gave me as much heartache on FFXI as the known and very successfull (due to botting) botting shells owning everyone and bragging about it with no fear of Square who were totally impotent to deal with it. People were paying money for these bots and making a living selling the drops to RMT, the top tier endgame HNM monsters were out of bounds to everyone except the botters, to the point of it being a complete monoloply. This was the best players on the game that given how stupid Square were transformed from being elite players to being the games best players that sold gil to RMT.

Anyone that did serious endgame content on FFXI that plays this one should be really worried about this, even if you had to use bots on FFXI to compete very few actually liked the sitution or how bad Square were that you in the end had to use them. These bots can already do quite a lot of stuff that they should not be able to, this stuff should be impossible given how much XI was abused and this is just the start (this is a couple of months work from people who made a lot of money selling this stuff on XI).

The endgame problems with cheaters was brought up again and again at vanafest, it was a big issue and this is something this game should not be facing at all. The devs should be able to see anyone using this junk and ban them on the spot or make it not so easily abused. If they ever add any kind of compeititve endgame to this game the bot creators will make a fortune again, the devs are useless. They created an engine where it was possible to let people speed hack AND teleport anywhere in the world without using anima, really...again?

As before the 3rd party programmers are 2 steps ahead of Square, again.
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#32 Nov 06 2010 at 5:27 PM Rating: Good
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Galkaholics wrote:
actually it was more then just the one i had another guy offer me abt the same but i was actually online to reply when he did and he basicly told me that shards were only worth 100g ect ect treating me like a total noob trying to take advantage of me. this happened after the initial scroll through where i screenshotted and after the argument i had with him i logged off. so unless theres a hidden chat log somewhere in the square enix folder like windower has for ffxi theres no way i can post that conversation. basicly the 2nd guy got me pretty ****** so i logged. cant prove it so meh


The hidden chat log folder is located in C:\Users\[Name]\Documents\My Games\FINAL FANTASY XIV\user\[The non-zeros one]\log
They're seperated into ~4KB .txt files for some reason. Good luck finding it.
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There's no speed hack.

What happens if you lag, and then the server says, hey, that person moved a lot further than they moved on your screen, and they rush over to the spot, sometimes going over cliffs and giant trenches (If you've ever been to gridania, they fly across the tops of the mountains)

It's just lag, not a hack at all.



To support this, in crowded areas mobs will do this too... they must have hax >.>
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I read about half the post did searches of the thread to see if anyone mention's anything of what I am about to say and didn't get anything. Now I am not saying they aren't speedhackers they might be but think about this, Miners get Prospect. When you use prospect it will increase your running speed by I want to say 10-20%. Then you have have an ability called Fleet of Foot that when in active mode you will move at 20% faster. So if people have proper macros, they can have a pickaxe equipped, use prospect along with fleet of foot being active will increase your running speed up to about 30-40% faster. When they reach the mob they hit the macro swapping out the pickaxe for there main weapon. So you really cant say everyone that out runs you is a speedhacker.
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#35 Nov 06 2010 at 6:35 PM Rating: Default
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tis a sad time we live in when so many people defend and/or deny the botters and speed hackers ; ;

i mean its one thing to defend the game and be a total SE fanboi its a completely diffrent level when you completely ignore major stuff like this to where you actually believe and "Defend" the "Fact" thats speedhacks ect dont exist...

to everyone that confirms they do exist thank you i only wish the rest of the posters were as smart/ knew how to use google/ werent blind uber fanboi's ect as you

to those who still swear theres no speedhacks.. well all i can say is.. santa the tooth fairy and the easter bunny are waiting for you with wada at the big "ffxiv is the greatest game ever and is completely flawless" party
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#36 Nov 06 2010 at 6:55 PM Rating: Default
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Honestly I think your problem is that you have asbergers or some social disorder. Im on your server and im a complete asshat, yet MOST people respond with kindness... Im shocked your douchbaggery isnt met with this same general niceness.

The server is pretty **** great community wise, except when people like you go around trying to put it on blast.

Botters.. I can use my G15, legally, to simulate a 'bot'. Get over it.

And hacks are in every MMORPG, but I know for a fact FF14 isnt hacked yet. What you saw was your Kmart bought NetZero connection doing you justice to someone who is much closer to the server.

Sorry to bust your bubble. Im sure your social disorder will make you feel obligated to go on and on about being enlightened by haXorZ and bots. But sadly most of it is in your head.

The game has bigger issues, like its lag (or as some call it, speedhack wallhack radar dupe). If they can fix that then they can focus on the REAL, but tiny problem of 3rd party programs and bots.
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tis a sad time we live in when so many people defend and/or deny the botters and speed hackers ; ;

Think the point is more like you're not understanding the difference between a bot or hack and a normal player. As for your speed issues there is a skill that allows you to run faster, one for each DoL class and maybe for others too, and its easy to set up a switch weapon macro from what I've seen of my girlfriend playing. This might even be coupled with connection issues or lag.

I'm quite sick of people who are quick to shout 'BOT' and report them when they realy know very little about the player.
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#38 Nov 06 2010 at 7:05 PM Rating: Decent
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to everyone that confirms they do exist thank you i only wish the rest of the posters were as smart/ knew how to use google/ werent blind uber fanboi's ect as you


Most people aren't saying the hacks don't exist, alot of people are saying that you're making a mountain out of a mole hill... Look, despite my first post in this thread I didn't rate you, down or up, if you'd like to verify feel free to ask a mod... maybe if they aren't busy pruning the rest of the useless threads (some of which I'm sure are mine) they'll confirm I haven't had anything to do with your rating on this one.

The point is, unless you have a video showing what you saw, people are going to question it. There are loads of instances where it is lag, or people taking advantage of the DoL flee bug, but some are indeed hacking. Run Fraps, find your offenders again, you seem to find them so common it shouldn't be hard to recreate the situation. You post the vid, and it's obvious hacking and I'll do my part in fixing your rep.
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So far i see that you lag a lot and you get mad when people are afk. Good trollin.
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More on topic, I don't think it's fair to label the entire community as lacking because of the botters and people trying to get something for nothing. You encountered a group of players in one area that were up to some potentially shady shenanigans and one person trying to get themselves a deal on shards. That does not an entire community make.


I agree with this.
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Hmm, i wonder if you would be better off just playing FF XI, or any other MMO. At least there aren't any bots, scammers, or hackers ... oh wait..



Edited, Nov 6th 2010 11:21pm by Teneleven
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I read about half the post did searches of the thread to see if anyone mention's anything of what I am about to say and didn't get anything. Now I am not saying they aren't speedhackers they might be but think about this, Miners get Prospect. When you use prospect it will increase your running speed by I want to say 10-20%. Then you have have an ability called Fleet of Foot that when in active mode you will move at 20% faster. So if people have proper macros, they can have a pickaxe equipped, use prospect along with fleet of foot being active will increase your running speed up to about 30-40% faster. When they reach the mob they hit the macro swapping out the pickaxe for there main weapon. So you really cant say everyone that out runs you is a speedhacker.


I'm amazed it took this long for someone to point out to the OP that the players he is referring to were likely using Prospect.

To the OP, I have not seen any evidence whatsoever of speedhacking. It's all very well linking people to a page that claims to have FFXIV hacks, but that doesn't mean they are legit. If you'd like, I can link you to a bunch of websites claiming to sell pills that make your **** grow. Does that mean they work?
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#43 Nov 07 2010 at 1:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Galkaholics wrote:
when your running a far distance and someone catches up and passes you out of nowhere , or your running neck and neck and you notice there running just a bit faster like 10% or so thats not lag

ive seen superspeed there suddenly way in front of you lag but i was farming for hours these ppl were consistantly running faster then me without any speed buffs
and like i said some were just a bit faster like they were trying to make it not very noticable and others were full on speed machines

ive seen these for awhile pretty much since day 1 as ffxiv has no security people use cheatengine ect to do speedhacks as well as mouse autoclickers to craft and macros to "bot" that basicly tab and attack over and over til they attack something nearby and spam 1 over and over til its dead usualy followed by a cure and a mp regen if timers up


There's a bug in the game where after you die you have a speed boost that doesn't wear off for a long time.
#44 Nov 07 2010 at 3:12 AM Rating: Good
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Couple of things to consider, folks. Disclaimer- I'm not a fanboi or a hater, just a player.

First, you have to be very careful of sites advertising hacks, many times it's just a way to get a Trojan on your computer. I've only found one video advertising actual hacks, and it smells like a forgery to me.

First, speedhacking. So far I haven't seen any proof of an actual hack or exploit. There's one youtube video from a popular bot-maker advertising the 'hack', but from what I can see in the video there isn't any 'smoking gun'. You can't see any other characters or npc's walking around, or objects with motion animation, so there's no frame of reference to see if the video frame rate has been tampered with. This is the only potential speedhack out there, if the video is not altered then we're talking at least 300%+ speed increase.
The other issue with the speedhack idea, as recently mentioned, is that there are a couple of abilities that increase speed. So when you see the guy who is consistently moving 10% faster than you, they aren't trying to be sneaky and hacking, they're using an ability.
Next, there is an issue with lag, auto-run, and movement commands. I've personally tested this with a friend in the same town using the same ISP with the same bandwidth and almost identical latency (identical routing). Most of the time we move at almost exactly the same speed, on average- for short distances often one or the other arrives first but over a long straight run it evens out. However, we've noticed that sometimes one of us seems to always move a little faster- and we discovered it happens when one person uses auto-run and the other just holds down the forward key. My theory (completely unproven) is that auto-run sets a flag on the server, but holding the movement key has to re-send your actions periodically which might result in some of your movement being missed due to server lag or packet loss.
But just to note, while I've seen people moving slightly faster, maybe up to 30% even, I've never seen anybody hauling *** at the rate of speed in the 'video'.

Second, let's talk zoom. I haven't seen any video demonstrating this hack, however I have noticed that if you go into 1st person you can use the mouse wheel to 'zoom' in and out. So I'm thinking this is yet another actual game-feature being disguised as a 'hack' to fool the unwary.

Third, let's talk about warp/teleport hacks. Now I know it's possible to hack the game and go places you shouldn't be able to, but I've not seen such a hack work while online. Or in other words, I've seen hacks that allow you to "play" the game offline, but all you see are the NPC's (no spawns) and most of the mechanics don't work. One magazine used such a hack to get some screenshots of off-limit areas during open beta, but the hack doesn't do anything while playing online, it's just a way to load up the engine and view the game world data that is saved locally. I suspect that this is the same thing that was done to advertise the 'teleport' hack, part of the same video I mention above.

As for bots, well ya people are using them. But there really isn't a lot of RMT going on (yet) and the bots really don't work very well at all. They get by ok for farming mobs, but as mentioned they aren't very effective since they currently don't have any way to monopolize spawns. But as for fishing, mining, and harvesting, the bots just plain suck; they really don't deal well with the mini-games you play in order to harvest (they suck at crafting as well for the same reason). With mining and harvesting they have an especially hard time since there is a limit to how much you can farm a spot, and the spots tend to move around which can mean a bot that sits idle for hours or days.

But don't get too worried about hacking. Anything that breaks the game-rules, like teleporting vast distances without using Anima, or moving at 10 times the maximum game-allowable speed, can (or should) get easily caught with log-file examination. I think we haven't seen the ban-hammer much because of the free trial period- SE will wait until pay-to-play and then start canning the accounts after they've gotten at least one or two payments out of them. As long as the devs pay attention and learn from failures in other games, botting shouldn't cause too much of a problem over the long run.
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PerrinofSylph wrote:
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There's no speed hack.

What happens if you lag, and then the server says, hey, that person moved a lot further than they moved on your screen, and they rush over to the spot, sometimes going over cliffs and giant trenches (If you've ever been to gridania, they fly across the tops of the mountains)

It's just lag, not a hack at all.



To support this, in crowded areas mobs will do this too... they must have hax >.>


And you forget to mention the quick effect that lasts almost 40 secs and can be used 20 secs after wears off, when in Mine, Botanist or Fisherman. When running from place to place, I always change to any of this classes, to run faster.
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RdeLeo wrote:
PerrinofSylph wrote:
Meowshi wrote:
There's no speed hack.

What happens if you lag, and then the server says, hey, that person moved a lot further than they moved on your screen, and they rush over to the spot, sometimes going over cliffs and giant trenches (If you've ever been to gridania, they fly across the tops of the mountains)

It's just lag, not a hack at all.



To support this, in crowded areas mobs will do this too... they must have hax >.>


And you forget to mention the quick effect that lasts almost 40 secs and can be used 20 secs after wears off, when in Mine, Botanist or Fisherman. When running from place to place, I always change to any of this classes, to run faster.


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I call shenanigans on that video as well. Anyone who has played XIV knows that when you're online, there's no freakin way, even with a top-end rig, that it's going to render everything that smoothly at the rendering speed shown in said video. That vid showed about a 300% increase in running speed, which translates to everything else being rendered that much faster as its redrawn on the screen every "step". Sorry that's BS, that vid was made via an offline hack and used offline.
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