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#1 Nov 07 2010 at 10:55 PM Rating: Decent
I know these questions have probably been asked somewhere and if so, I'm sorry.

Anyway, I'm definitely not a huge follower or fan of the final fantasy games, having only played FF9. But there's something about 14 I really like. All be it at first it was the most daunting experience I've come across in a game or MMO for that matter and frankly I think I hated it, but I powered through the early stages feeling obligated having spent my money on a collectors edition. However, once I was in the swing of things I found it to be really enjoyable. Basically I love the game and really don't want to see it fail. It has the potential to be something fantastic. I'm really optimistic about the Late November/mid December updates.

So I was just wondering:

1)How long do you all honestly think this game will last? Do you think it will flop? Or after the repairs Square has promised, do you think it will stand the test of time?

2) How many of you FF11 players would leave FF11 for FF14 if it were a more polished game come december?
#2 Nov 07 2010 at 11:01 PM Rating: Decent
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1) Game is on life support right now. Odds are the game won't completely disappear... if it were to fail completely, it'd probably be sold to a F2P provider or hosted on a SE server F2P and you'd at least be able to play the existing content for free, though any later content wouldn't be made by the original SE team most likely.

2) I'm not playing XI currently but I've considered going back in light of the recent updates. However, it'd take some serious updates... probably considerably more than what's already been announced... before I seriously considered playing XIV again.

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#3 Nov 08 2010 at 2:35 AM Rating: Good
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SpringHeelMark wrote:
1)How long do you all honestly think this game will last? Do you think it will flop? Or after the repairs Square has promised, do you think it will stand the test of time?

2) How many of you FF11 players would leave FF11 for FF14 if it were a more polished game come december?



1. It will depend largely on the Nov/Dec update. That's when people start paying the monthly fee. Crossing my fingers.

2. Already quit FFXI a couple of years ago.
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#4 Nov 08 2010 at 2:58 AM Rating: Decent
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It will last. SImple reason is, the two patches coming are going to fix what most people were complaining about. And people are still heavy playing now.
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#5 Nov 08 2010 at 4:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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1. Right now it's a wait and see how updates are implemented. If they fix the majority of the problems then it should last a long time, but if they don't then SE will lose a lot more players.

2. I have already quit FFXI, but enjoyed my time there very much.
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It will last. FFXIV is a great game on the rough. But that aside... its a SE product.
Having them pull the plug on XIV would be like having microsoft pull the plug on a new version of windows because people don't recieve it as warmly as the previous version.
It'd be awful PR and it'd make them lose all user credibility on their products.
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#7 Nov 08 2010 at 6:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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MajidahSihaam wrote:
It will last. FFXIV is a great game on the rough. But that aside... its a SE product.
Having them pull the plug on XIV would be like having microsoft pull the plug on a new version of windows because people don't recieve it as warmly as the previous version.
    It'd be awful PR and it'd make them lose all user credibility on their products.


Um, FFXIV has already accomplished that.


Far as whether they'll shut it down, that's going to rely completely on whether they can turn the game around before sub numbers have dropped to the point of no return.

Frankly, I don't think they'll go the F2P route if the sub route totally tanks. It would be too much of a reminder of their failure, and we have already seen time and time again that SE's collective ego outweighs the wants of their customers. They will more than likely bury the game at that time and hope for people to forget it ever existed.
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1. It will last because like you there are people who also think the game is good and has huge potential. I think it is great despite the current flaws which will get fixed. I fully acknowledge that this game isnt going to suit everyones tastes but it suits mine right down to the ground.

2. Left 11 some time ago.

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#9 Nov 08 2010 at 8:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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The game won't flop because it has flopped already. As for its longevity - nobody can tell, running a game server is pretty cheap yet companies still close games with few thousand subscribers left. Seeing what happened to Vanguard I would not wish for a game I liked to be kept up after most of the players have gone.
#10 Nov 08 2010 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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I've been complaining about the game since release after quitting a week in. Yesterday I decided to try it again and surprisingly I enjoyed myself, got my PGL to rank 11 and had a good time doing it, things slowed down a bit past guildleves and grinding and I really didn't feel like crafting, so my main gripe is lack of content and that's only going to get remedied steadily here as we move forward. I also wish they would add a party seek system akin to FFXI because clearly recruit system isn't working and the only people grouping together are LS members, what if I don't wanna be a part of any LS, am I stuck begging strangers to party up. I read the November update, it should be really good and the December one brings with it some new content so this game is only moving up, its unfortunate it was such a shaky start.
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1. This question is a horrible question for such a polarized community. It depends on who you ask. The game isn't fully released yet (I mean this in a platform sense, they want PS3 to play it, so I will consider it fully released on PS3 release). We don't know how the PS3 players will feel about it. It also depends on the Nov/Dec updates. I'm hoping that it will last several years, but there are a lot of Donnie Downers shooting for it to die quickly.

2. I stopped playing XI. Just got tired of it.
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#12 Nov 08 2010 at 8:45 AM Rating: Decent
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I find it hard to think that FFXIV would fail. The launch of FFXIV is very similar to FFXI in that FFXI had no content, a level 50 cap. It had no AH, only 6 playable classes, among other short comings and I'm sure it's fair share of problems. Yet look how long it has been around and how popular it was. One reason it never received such a bad rap is because it was released in Japan May of 2002 for PS2 November of 2002 for PC and didn't make it's way to NA until October of 2003 for PC and March 2004 for PS2. People also tend to forget this when they compare the launch of the two games.

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#13 Nov 08 2010 at 9:04 AM Rating: Default
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MisterBigglesworth wrote:
I find it hard to think that FFXIV would fail. The launch of FFXIV is very similar to FFXI in that FFXI had no content, a level 50 cap.

You've only got lv cap right. FF XI had plenty of content on the release date - city missions and tons of standalone quests for once. Little things like chocobos, airships.
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It had no AH,

Yeah, for the whole 3 weeks. How long has been FF14 out now? And AH is not even promised.
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only 6 playable classes,

WHM,BLM,RDM,MNK,THF,WAR,BST,BRD,PLD,DRK,RNG is 11 last time I've counted. And yes, all these were in the game at launch.

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among other short comings and I'm sure it's fair share of problems. Yet look how long it has been around and how popular it was.


Because it was nothing like FF14 that's why it's popular.
#14 Nov 08 2010 at 9:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I think servers will be up for another year or two, and I doubt at this point that we'll see an expansion released. I think the best business decision SE can make would be to stop putting money into the project, and cutting their losses. Let servers run until subs get below operating cost, people can experiance everything the games got now, plus near finished content and updates.
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MajidahSihaam wrote:
It will last. FFXIV is a great game on the rough. But that aside... its a SE product.
Having them pull the plug on XIV would be like having microsoft pull the plug on a new version of windows because people don't recieve it as warmly as the previous version.
It'd be awful PR and it'd make them lose all user credibility on their products.


you mean like vista? hmm, i could live with that, maybe ff15 will be online also, and much better than 14 =)

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WHM,BLM,RDM,MNK,THF,WAR,BST,BRD,PLD,DRK,RNG is 11 last time I've counted. And yes, all these were in the game at launch.


Ya got me there. It was only NIN and SAM that were added with the first expansion.
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#17 Nov 08 2010 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good
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I think it will last a long time if they fix the things they say they will and CONTINUE to listen to the player base.

FFXIV actually drove me back to FFXI after 2 years of not playing, and I am enjoying it again with a new appreciation for a responsive interface and a lively community.
#18 Nov 08 2010 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
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It will last a long time.

Vanguard is still running...so a game doesn't have to be good to last.
So this poor excuse for an mmo will be just fine. It will never be as good as
the other games out there, but the fan base will keep it going.
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HachiLihachi wrote:
MisterBigglesworth wrote:
I find it hard to think that FFXIV would fail. The launch of FFXIV is very similar to FFXI in that FFXI had no content, a level 50 cap.

You've only got lv cap right. FF XI had plenty of content on the release date - city missions and tons of standalone quests for once. Little things like chocobos, airships.
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It had no AH,

Yeah, for the whole 3 weeks. How long has been FF14 out now? And AH is not even promised.
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only 6 playable classes,

WHM,BLM,RDM,MNK,THF,WAR,BST,BRD,PLD,DRK,RNG is 11 last time I've counted. And yes, all these were in the game at launch.

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among other short comings and I'm sure it's fair share of problems. Yet look how long it has been around and how popular it was.


Because it was nothing like FF14 that's why it's popular.


He's talking about Japanese release, we got the game a year after it was released + your info is a little misleading considering the Zilart expansion, IIRC, only brought with it 2 classes apart from the 6 starting ones.
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He's talking about Japanese release, we got the game a year after it was released + your info is a little misleading considering the Zilart expansion, IIRC, only brought with it 2 classes apart from the 6 starting ones.


http://jpbutton.bluegartr.com/?p=157

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For those too lazy to check, FFXI had a major update in about 3 weeks after release, and a 2nd major update in 2 months after release.

FFXIV saw nothing but minor bug fixes since the start.

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1)How long do you all honestly think this game will last? Do you think it will flop? Or after the repairs Square has promised, do you think it will stand the test of time?

I think the game will last years as long as they add some content at/before PS3 release. I really can't see them walking away from the project as long as there are a decent number of subs. My server population never dips below 1000-1300 on at any one time. That isn't A TON of people but they aren't going to walk away before PS3 release regardless and if they fix it up good that release will be a second chance for them in terms of reviews etc. Especially if they release it with an instruction booklet so that reviewers who are too lazy to figure out anything themselves won't complain that the game is too tough for them.

2) How many of you FF11 players would leave FF11 for FF14 if it were a more polished game come december?

I stopped playing FFXI last January and since I would have to start a new char for the 4th time if I wanted to play and from what I hear the beginner content is a wasteland... not so interested. I have already keyed in my crysta for three months and on friday when I get paid I think I'll pick up another gaming card to make it six months.

I really like my FFXIV character and I am excited about being able to pay for the game without a credit card - and excited that I will probably be able to keep my character for the lifespan of the game and grow with it and not get so very far behind that it is difficult for me to unlock content, etc.

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SolidMack wrote:

He's talking about Japanese release, we got the game a year after it was released + your info is a little misleading considering the Zilart expansion, IIRC, only brought with it 2 classes apart from the 6 starting ones.


I am talking about Japanese release too. There have been 11 jobs in the Japanese release on the launch date in May 2002. And JFYI - Zilart added 4 jobs: DRG,SMN,NIN,SAM (SMN was made available even to those who have not bought the expansion, other jobs required it).
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HachiLihachi wrote:
SolidMack wrote:

He's talking about Japanese release, we got the game a year after it was released + your info is a little misleading considering the Zilart expansion, IIRC, only brought with it 2 classes apart from the 6 starting ones.


I am talking about Japanese release too. There have been 11 jobs in the Japanese release on the launch date in May 2002. And JFYI - Zilart added 4 jobs: DRG,SMN,NIN,SAM (SMN was made available even to those who have not bought the expansion, other jobs required it).


All this math is making my head hurt. So there were 11 jobs at JP launch (6 basic and 5 advanced) and 4 added 16 months later with the NA launch and RoZ expansion?

Edited, Nov 8th 2010 4:02pm by MisterBigglesworth
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MisterBigglesworth wrote:


All this math is making my head hurt. So there were 11 jobs at JP launch (6 basic and 5 advanced) and 4 added 16 months later with the NA launch and RoZ expansion?

Edited, Nov 8th 2010 4:02pm by MisterBigglesworth


Zilart came out 11 month after JP launch (April 2003). NA launch did not add any jobs and happened half a year later, in Ocotober 2003.
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