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#1 Nov 08 2010 at 10:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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I know, I know... I've posted a few threads complaining about various things. So now, I'm going to post about what I've done to turn the game around for myself.

About a week ago, I was right at the edge of quitting and never coming back. I just wasn't really having fun playing anymore, but I think I figured out why. I was forcing myself to do things I didn't want to. IN part, I think it's the crafting system's fault. Although it has it's good side (like being able to repair my own gear which is a GODSEND), I often felt like I was just playing Final Craftasy. I would spend hours doing the crafting leves, running from place to place trying to make sure I got all 8 done, and then spending MORE time pumping out mats to get higher craft levels. It got old. I felt like I didn't even want to log on anymore and I dreaded picking up the same 8 dull crafting leves over and over over.

Then I woke up one day and realized, why the **** am I doing all this crafting if I'm not having fun? I had fallen into the trap of thinking that I HAD to do all the leves. The truth is, I can do whatever I want in game. So what if I'm not one of the first crafters to 50. So what if I don't do my 8 leves a day. Instead, I just do whatever I want to do in game.

Lately, that has been doing some of the r30 leves in the "dungeons" which have been a nice change of pace. Granted, I still want some variety from the "kill xxx" quests, but at least the areas are different, and the travel time is exceedingly short which is really great. I also started doing group SP pt's with my LS. The only thing I can say is, man is that fun. We usually had between 4-6 of us and it really feels like an xp pt. I was tanking, we had a healer, a debuffer, and usually 2-3 DD's. Battles were fast and fun, with good SP rewards. We have been fighting crabs, hippocerfs, ewes, does, you name it. I think we will try efts soon. It was really fun, and the Coerthas zone is just absolutely breathtaking. I can't wait until they open Jeuno... er Ishgard. >.>

In summary, I finally realized that the game really is what you make it. It certainly isn't perfect, and I don't think there's a poster here that could argue that it is, but there is a lot more there than you think, you just need to go out and look for it. And lastly, do what's fun for you. Don't do it because you think you need to, do it because you want to and its fun.

Edited, Nov 8th 2010 11:08am by BartelX
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#2 Nov 08 2010 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
When I was lvl 10 THM I ran through Mor Dhona to Coerthas and yes it was fun for few hours.

I still think you shouldn't have to make the game fun... You're paying money for someone else to make it fun for you.
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#3 Nov 08 2010 at 11:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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A good exp/sp party is always fun. Getting together with some people, exploring, and killing monsters, or each other, is the foundation on which these games were built. As long as combat works, and is pretty, some people will always enjoy FFXIV. A little change to SP gains and better accuracy would still be nice =)
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#4 Nov 08 2010 at 12:05 PM Rating: Decent
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LeilaniWildfire wrote:
When I was lvl 10 THM I ran through Mor Dhona to Coerthas and yes it was fun for few hours.

I still think you shouldn't have to make the game fun... You're paying money for someone else to make it fun for you.


Why not? I thought that was the whole idea behind an mmo? They give you a bunch of different options and you do the stuff that's fun. ****, there were a lot of things in ffxi I didn't think were fun. Dynamis wasn't fun for me, and that's probably why I only did it a handful of times. I guess I just got into that mentality of being the first, or being "hardcore" when really that isn't what I think I want out of this game... or at least not yet.
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#5 Nov 08 2010 at 12:12 PM Rating: Decent
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LeilaniWildfire wrote:
I still think you shouldn't have to make the game fun... You're paying money for someone else to make it fun for you.


What sense does that make? In my opinion I pay for something someone else made and if I don't find it fun o'well. It's not because they made a crap product it's because I'm an individual.

CatPredator wrote:
A good exp/sp party is always fun. Getting together with some people, exploring, and killing monsters, or each other, is the foundation on which these games were built.


I agree 100%. I'm playing an MMO to socialize and play the game with other people. If I wanted to level up and progress solo I'd go play a RPG.
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#6 Nov 08 2010 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I generally don't do a lot of crafting leves - I basically have only been doing some post 20 to try and get guild marks (I haven't gotten ANY guild marks for Alchemist yet >.>)

But yeah otherwise - sounds like we are on the same page - I like the game because I play it how I want to play it. I don't get caught up in having to do anything. It is fun to have R30 leves now. I haven't even done all camps. I really like Mun Tay Cellars and Cassie Hollow especially.

I know that they will get boring by the time I get to R33 or whenever the next set of camps comes up but it is nice to be able to do all 8 regional leves in the same region if I want to save anima - and last night I got sweet rewards - a pink canvas hat (which will be awesome for my alchemist) and some green leather gloves (which are too high for me and not good for my jobs so I'll either wear em for fun till they break and npc them or sell them cheap on my bazaar) in addition to 100K+ in cold hard cash.

I also like solo farm-leveling - I find defeating a lot of a certain type of mob for their drops more entertaining than just grinding... it is nice to switch to my crafting job and spam out some SP that way too.

And I like collecting telepoints, especially now that we have "achievements" - it is satisfying to add to my list of nodes I can travel too. It is also fun to sneak by aggro mobs in tight corridors - or sleep them with the potions I made myself and run by.
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#8 Nov 08 2010 at 1:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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LeilaniWildfire wrote:


I still think you shouldn't have to make the game fun... You're paying money for someone else to make it fun for you.


A Baseball, bat and glove alone are boring as ****. It's what you do with them, with others that makes them fun.



Edited, Nov 8th 2010 2:39pm by jedipimp
#9 Nov 08 2010 at 1:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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jedipimp wrote:
LeilaniWildfire wrote:


I still think you shouldn't have to make the game fun... You're paying money for someone else to make it fun for you.


A Baseball, bat and glove alone are boring as ****. It's what you do with them, with others that makes them fun.

Edited, Nov 8th 2010 2:39pm by jedipimp


I find it even more fun to pay for a ticket, goto a baseball game, and watch professionals play the game right. But that's just me.
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#10 Nov 08 2010 at 2:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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LeilaniWildfire wrote:
When I was lvl 10 THM I ran through Mor Dhona to Coerthas and yes it was fun for few hours.

I still think you shouldn't have to make the game fun... You're paying money for someone else to make it fun for you.



To use an example of why this just isnt true like this

its like saying you did something in warcraft other then raid for 40 hours a week to make the game fun for you.

the game is based around endgame raiding, most people think thats how you "must" play the game in order to have fun

but it just isnt true

to each their own, remember, just cuz something is in game, doesnt mean you "need" to do it.
leves are there, but not required
crafting is there, but not required
battling is there, but not required
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#11 Nov 08 2010 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
I agree with the OP. It's just like anything else in life, you get out what you put in. Recently, some people in my LS told me I was "doing it wrong" because I'm ranking all crafts at the same time. When I asked why I was wrong the best answers were "Because you'll have 8 rank 20 jobs when other ppl have 2 50s" and "I would rather have 1 rank 50 than 3 rank 20s". I laughed it off because I'm having a great time "doing it wrong". The really funny part was for the next 3 hours the ppl that we're trying to convince me that I was a moron kept asking if "someone can make/repair X item" and every time I would (truthfully) answer "I can, but I'm doing it wrong."
#12 Nov 08 2010 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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rikkuotaku wrote:
jedipimp wrote:
LeilaniWildfire wrote:


I still think you shouldn't have to make the game fun... You're paying money for someone else to make it fun for you.


A Baseball, bat and glove alone are boring as ****. It's what you do with them, with others that makes them fun.

Edited, Nov 8th 2010 2:39pm by jedipimp


I find it even more fun to pay for a ticket, goto a baseball game, and watch professionals play the game right. But that's just me.


I didn't know you could buy tickets and watch professionals play Calvin Ball.
#13 Nov 08 2010 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
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Here is something people might be able to easily relate to. I like to drink Pabst Blue Ribbon, now most people would agree that it's cat ****. I however think it tastes good, but I do not like Coors Light. Doesn't mean I don't have fun when I'm drunk on Coors Light. It is what you make of it. Please don't flame me for disliking Coors Light.
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#14 Nov 08 2010 at 2:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Please don't flame me for disliking Coors Light.


I think you're safe, not like this is a NASCAR forum or anything...
#15 Nov 08 2010 at 2:54 PM Rating: Good
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The Glorious SkinwalkerAsura wrote:
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Please don't flame me for disliking Coors Light.


I think you're safe, not like this is a NASCAR forum or anything...


Are you trying to say that only rednecks like Coors Light? Way to stereotype. =P
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#16 Nov 08 2010 at 3:06 PM Rating: Excellent
MisterBigglesworth wrote:
The Glorious SkinwalkerAsura wrote:
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Please don't flame me for disliking Coors Light.


I think you're safe, not like this is a NASCAR forum or anything...


Are you trying to say that only rednecks like Coors Light? Way to stereotype. =P


I was actually stereotyping NASCAR fans...ethnicity had nothing to do with it Smiley: grin
#17 Nov 08 2010 at 3:13 PM Rating: Decent
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The Glorious SkinwalkerAsura wrote:
MisterBigglesworth wrote:
The Glorious SkinwalkerAsura wrote:
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Please don't flame me for disliking Coors Light.


I think you're safe, not like this is a NASCAR forum or anything...


Are you trying to say that only rednecks like Coors Light? Way to stereotype. =P


I was actually stereotyping NASCAR fans...ethnicity had nothing to do with it Smiley: grin


I was trying to say that only rednecks watch NASCAR therefor only rednecks drink Coors Light. ;)
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#18 Nov 08 2010 at 4:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Ya crafting is nice exp, but really... I took that out of my schedule and the game is much more fun! I now only pick a local leve, max 2-3 and only at places I plan to travel by.
#19 Nov 08 2010 at 4:29 PM Rating: Good
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Then I woke up one day and realized, why the **** am I doing all this crafting if I'm not having fun? I had fallen into the trap of thinking that I HAD to do all the leves. The truth is, I can do whatever I want in game. So what if I'm not one of the first crafters to 50. So what if I don't do my 8 leves a day. Instead, I just do whatever I want to do in game.

Lately, that has been doing some of the r30 leves in the "dungeons" which have been a nice change of pace. Granted, I still want some variety from the "kill xxx" quests, but at least the areas are different, and the travel time is exceedingly short which is really great. I also started doing group SP pt's with my LS. The only thing I can say is, man is that fun. We usually had between 4-6 of us and it really feels like an xp pt. I was tanking, we had a healer, a debuffer, and usually 2-3 DD's. Battles were fast and fun, with good SP rewards. We have been fighting crabs, hippocerfs, ewes, does, you name it. I think we will try efts soon. It was really fun, and the Coerthas zone is just absolutely breathtaking. I can't wait until they open Jeuno... er Ishgard. >.>


Of course your point makes sense, but the reasons that I (and probably a number of others) chose to hold onto our subscription dollars for the time being goes beyond whether or not we enjoy crafting and\or felt compelled to level it. I did maybe two crafting leves, decided they weren't for me, and still ended up canceling that subscription even though in general I do enjoy the FFXI PT-style of grinding out levels.

I'm glad that you are having fun, but the things you mentioned having fun with are things that can be done in other games as well, and without having to fight with the UI and other bugs. I hope it gets cleared up in the Nov update, so that *everyone* can enjoy the game like you seem to be doing.

In the meantime, I am waiting for a little more meat, because I gnawed on that lean bone of "LS pts" for years in XI, and it just doesn't feel the same.

Yet.
#20 Nov 08 2010 at 4:35 PM Rating: Default
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I was hoping the OP would describe how he hacked the servers, fixed a bunch of problems and added some content.

Unfortunately, his solution doesn't work for me. Although I also grew bored with crafting quickly, I found the leveling and combat to be even more tedious.
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#21 Nov 08 2010 at 5:00 PM Rating: Good
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I'm happy for you, OP! And very envious, in fact! I've had a longing to take part in group battles for quite awhile now, but no real means. My entire linkshell consists of six people (including myself), most/all of which have very little free time (including myself on most days). Unfortunately, since I am so far behind (my highest rank DOW/DOM classes are 18 GLA on one character and 16 CON on another), I can't even seem to find groups seeking at my level (though I have seen a number of 20+ parties). I don't have enough experience with group partying (obviously) to lead one myself, so I'm kind of at a loss at this point. :(
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#22 Nov 08 2010 at 5:24 PM Rating: Good
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I'm happy for you, OP! And very envious, in fact! I've had a longing to take part in group battles for quite awhile now, but no real means. My entire linkshell consists of six people (including myself), most/all of which have very little free time (including myself on most days). Unfortunately, since I am so far behind (my highest rank DOW/DOM classes are 18 GLA on one character and 16 CON on another), I can't even seem to find groups seeking at my level (though I have seen a number of 20+ parties). I don't have enough experience with group partying (obviously) to lead one myself, so I'm kind of at a loss at this point. :(


R18 is easy - I suggest getting 4-14 more people together between 16 and 20 - and smacking stuff in Coerthas. Either squirrels, does, pucks, crabs wolves or hippocerfs.

Toughest part will be if you don't have an R20 healer for hard hits but there seem to be a lot of low-ranked healers around so if you have 2-3 healers you should be fine even without the tier two heals.
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#23 Nov 08 2010 at 5:26 PM Rating: Good
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Kaelia88 wrote:
I'm happy for you, OP! And very envious, in fact! I've had a longing to take part in group battles for quite awhile now, but no real means. My entire linkshell consists of six people (including myself), most/all of which have very little free time (including myself on most days). Unfortunately, since I am so far behind (my highest rank DOW/DOM classes are 18 GLA on one character and 16 CON on another), I can't even seem to find groups seeking at my level (though I have seen a number of 20+ parties). I don't have enough experience with group partying (obviously) to lead one myself, so I'm kind of at a loss at this point. :(


you could try to join another linkshell on your server. The one really nice thing about the linkshell system in ffxiv is that although you can only talk into 1 LS at a time, you can have multiples equipped and see the chat from them all. So you might have a better shot getting into a lowbie group or at least have an audience to ask when you are on to group up. I'd suggest going to your server forum and see if anyone has an LS posted that seems like it has active members, or else post yourself and find out. If you were on Kashuan I'd invite you to my shell, we're finally starting to turn the corner and increase our numbers. ^^
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#24 Nov 08 2010 at 6:25 PM Rating: Decent
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LeilaniWildfire wrote:
When I was lvl 10 THM I ran through Mor Dhona to Coerthas and yes it was fun for few hours.

I still think you shouldn't have to make the game fun... You're paying money for someone else to make it fun for you.


Nah, there are only two types of entertainment where you don't have to make the entertainment fun, you pay for someone else to make it fun:
1. Movies/TV
2. Prostitutes

A game isn't a movie, it requires you to interact with it and do something with it to be fun.
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#25 Nov 09 2010 at 5:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Nah, there are only two types of entertainment where you don't have to make the entertainment fun, you pay for someone else to make it fun:
1. Movies/TV
2. Prostitutes

A game isn't a movie, it requires you to interact with it and do something with it to be fun.


Well... I think I should have been more specific with my response. Of course I didn't think that I log on a game and stand there while all the fun is brought to me.
However, as an example... Few days ago I installed Civilization V on my computer and from the moment I turned it on I was actually having fun. Same happened with Starcraft 2, FFXI some years ago, Diablo games some time ago, Monkey Island games, even WOW for the time being that I actually played it.
I think a game is supposed to be entertainment and if it is not entertaining me, I don't think I should go out my way to try to "look at it differently" to make it fun.
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