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#1 Nov 09 2010 at 9:21 AM Rating: Good
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As if the GTX 480 weren't rediculously powerful, Nvidia just released possibly the first card to max this game out completely.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gtx-580-us.html

Should be interesting
#2 Nov 09 2010 at 9:25 AM Rating: Default
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It's getting really good reviews so far, it just depends what AMD brings to the table as to whether it's worth the price of admission. Personally I'll most likely wait until the next gen cards... unless my wife starts playing something more demanding than petville on FB and then I'll have an excuse to offload my 470s on her and upgrade mine ^.^
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#3 Nov 09 2010 at 3:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Glancing at the specs of the card - With the right cooling you can overclock a 470 and essentially be the proud owner of a virtual 580.
#4 Nov 09 2010 at 3:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Um... no you can't.

Compared to the 470 the 580 not only has a higher clock but also includes 2 more Streaming Multiprocessors, 8 more Texture Units, 8 more ROPs and a whopping 64 more CUDA cores. Not to mention that these are STOCK clocks for a 580. With it's improved cooling solution you should be able to OC this quite a bit more than heatsink based 470 or 480s.
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#5 Nov 09 2010 at 3:48 PM Rating: Good
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What's cool about this is now you can get a GTX 460 for as low as $129 which just weeks ago would have been practically unthinkable.
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#6 Nov 09 2010 at 4:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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This GPU is bascially what the 480 was supposed to be and should have been.
#7 Nov 09 2010 at 5:06 PM Rating: Decent
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rikkuotaku wrote:
What's cool about this is now you can get a GTX 460 for as low as $129 which just weeks ago would have been practically unthinkable.

That or you can get two of them and better performance than a single GTX 580 for a lot less money. This card will not perform much better for this game if you already have 460, 470 or 480 though. These cards are built for DX11 performance and given the state of this game, you probably won't see very many driver updates to improve it.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 6:06pm by FilthMcNasty
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#8 Nov 09 2010 at 9:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Amdingo wrote:
Um... no you can't.

Compared to the 470 the 580 not only has a higher clock but also includes 2 more Streaming Multiprocessors, 8 more Texture Units, 8 more ROPs and a whopping 64 more CUDA cores. Not to mention that these are STOCK clocks for a 580. With it's improved cooling solution you should be able to OC this quite a bit more than heatsink based 470 or 480s.


You can overclock a 470 to be "essentially" a 580. Yes, the 580 has greater things about it, but you can still overclock a 470 to be very near the processor clock and ram speed. Yes, you could overclock the 580 I am assuming, and be up there even more.

PS if you overclock a nearly 600 dollar video card like a 580 I will hunt you down and drop a goblin AOE bomb :)
#9 Nov 09 2010 at 10:04 PM Rating: Good
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Parsalyn wrote:

You can overclock a 470 to be "essentially" a 580. Yes, the 580 has greater things about it, but you can still overclock a 470 to be very near the processor clock and ram speed.


Memory and Core speeds do not make a graphics card what it is. Is upgrading from a 470 to a 580 needed? Not really unless you're running some major settings at major resolutions. This is an enthusiast card at it's purest, more bragging rights than anything. The completely unlocked GF110 has roughly ~10% more power across the board, not including clock speeds.

I've got a 470 and it *easily* clocks above and beyond the stock 580, definitely doesn't make it the same.

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Edited, Nov 9th 2010 11:06pm by Amdingo
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#10 Nov 09 2010 at 10:42 PM Rating: Good
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rikkuotaku wrote:
What's cool about this is now you can get a GTX 460 for as low as $129 which just weeks ago would have been practically unthinkable.


Yeah, I'm actually thinking of buying one of those now. Being on a tight budget, I couldn't justify the expense before.
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Although this card looks awesome and what the 480 should have been, I've never picked up a high end card before and I don't think I ever will.

I still have my 8800GT 512MB, that I have overclocked that works as well as a GTX 460 (for the most part). Not to mention my 8800GT is silent with a accelero cooler.

When I'm able to buy a GTX 460 with a fanless cooler, I might upgrade. But now there's really no need.
#13 Nov 10 2010 at 1:30 PM Rating: Good
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I always have crappy timing. I dropped almost as much as the 580 costs on a 480 right when FFXIV came out. I'm sticking with the 480 because my experience with cutting edge hardware is there's a lot of bugs.
#14 Nov 11 2010 at 2:14 AM Rating: Default
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Glancing at the specs of the card - With the right cooling you can overclock a 470 and essentially be the proud owner of a virtual 580.

not a chance. 470 dont have enough bandwith, missing cores, less ram on the bigger cards too.

i already got 2x 480's so im just gonna wait till i get preformance issues and then new generation of cards come out most likely a pc by then.

Edited, Nov 11th 2010 3:20am by mitmystria
#15Taemek, Posted: Nov 11 2010 at 2:21 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ROFL this type of attitude never ceases to exsist, kind of like FFXI is everything FFXIV should of been.......sigh, just goes on and on in all aspects of life.
#16 Nov 11 2010 at 2:25 AM Rating: Default
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Kierk wrote:
Although this card looks awesome and what the 480 should have been, I've never picked up a high end card before and I don't think I ever will.

I still have my 8800GT 512MB, that I have overclocked that works as well as a GTX 460 (for the most part). Not to mention my 8800GT is silent with a accelero cooler.

When I'm able to buy a GTX 460 with a fanless cooler, I might upgrade. But now there's really no need.


Am I correct in saying that you truely think that your 8800GT OC'd is as powerful as a 460? 0.o

Fanless coolers are bad, never buy a GPU with a fanless cooler unless you like artificing and clumping effects on your screen at which point, best get ready to buy a new GPU.
#17 Nov 11 2010 at 2:29 AM Rating: Good
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Kierk wrote:
Although this card looks awesome and what the 480 should have been, I've never picked up a high end card before and I don't think I ever will.

I still have my 8800GT 512MB, that I have overclocked that works as well as a GTX 460 (for the most part). Not to mention my 8800GT is silent with a accelero cooler.

When I'm able to buy a GTX 460 with a fanless cooler, I might upgrade. But now there's really no need.


Agreed, hi-spec last-gen all the way! My Radeon 9800 lasted years, and my current 5770 looks like it'll be picking up slack for a while too. In inner techy in my wants to buy new tech just to play with and go "oooh shiney, what can I push it to do". Then the inner financial advisor reminds the inner techy that although the card has big numbers and boxes ticked, there is nothing in my software ******* that will even remotely tax it to its full. That and when I do get something that requires full use, the card will be half, it not less, the price.

**** you inner finance man!
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#18 Nov 11 2010 at 2:46 AM Rating: Default
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Kordain wrote:
Kierk wrote:
Although this card looks awesome and what the 480 should have been, I've never picked up a high end card before and I don't think I ever will.

I still have my 8800GT 512MB, that I have overclocked that works as well as a GTX 460 (for the most part). Not to mention my 8800GT is silent with a accelero cooler.

When I'm able to buy a GTX 460 with a fanless cooler, I might upgrade. But now there's really no need.


Agreed, hi-spec last-gen all the way! My Radeon 9800 lasted years, and my current 5770 looks like it'll be picking up slack for a while too. In inner techy in my wants to buy new tech just to play with and go "oooh shiney, what can I push it to do". Then the inner financial advisor reminds the inner techy that although the card has big numbers and boxes ticked, there is nothing in my software ******* that will even remotely tax it to its full. That and when I do get something that requires full use, the card will be half, it not less, the price.

**** you inner finance man!


I find it very hard to believe that your 5770 is not being pushed to the max with this game......very very hard indeed.
#19 Nov 11 2010 at 3:08 AM Rating: Good
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Taemek wrote:

I find it very hard to believe that your 5770 is not being pushed to the max with this game......very very hard indeed.


If I played on all out max detail yes. Mid/high settings, it runs like a charm.
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#20 Nov 11 2010 at 7:40 PM Rating: Good
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Taemek wrote:
Kierk wrote:
Although this card looks awesome and what the 480 should have been, I've never picked up a high end card before and I don't think I ever will.

I still have my 8800GT 512MB, that I have overclocked that works as well as a GTX 460 (for the most part). Not to mention my 8800GT is silent with a accelero cooler.

When I'm able to buy a GTX 460 with a fanless cooler, I might upgrade. But now there's really no need.


Am I correct in saying that you truely think that your 8800GT OC'd is as powerful as a 460? 0.o

Fanless coolers are bad, never buy a GPU with a fanless cooler unless you like artificing and clumping effects on your screen at which point, best get ready to buy a new GPU.


Not necessarily. I run a 9500GT 1GBDDR2 which is fanless. However, I do have plenty of airflow in my case which circulates over and around the heatsink of the card. Never had any glitches or artifacting/clumping, not even with FFIV. And I've been running the card pretty heavy since I bought it last year.
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#21 Nov 11 2010 at 8:11 PM Rating: Decent
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you guys are missing something here, I see a lot of "since the release of this card the price of this other one has gone down" . the reason those cards dropped in price is because of the advent of the AMD 6xxx cards.

the day the 6870 was out the 470 dropped to $260, thats not coincidence. and according to benchmarks, crossfired 6870's are not far behind crossfired 5870's, that from a replacement for the 5770.

when the 6970's hit the real battle will begin.
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Lafaiel wrote:
you guys are missing something here, I see a lot of "since the release of this card the price of this other one has gone down" . the reason those cards dropped in price is because of the advent of the AMD 6xxx cards.

the day the 6870 was out the 470 dropped to $260, thats not coincidence. and according to benchmarks, crossfired 6870's are not far behind crossfired 5870's, that from a replacement for the 5770.

when the 6970's hit the real battle will begin.


You mean ATI, not AMD.....

Anyways, ATI is always behind, Nvidia release the latest and greatest, ATI release thiers at an undercut price at which point Nvidia drop thier prices, its a buisness agreement I am sure between the two companies no doubt.

I have never had a good run with ATI, ever. In all the machines I have built for people, nethier have thier machines had a good experience. I am not saying I have always had a great run with Nvidia ethier, but my experience with Nvidia has been much greater then with ATI and therefore, I buy Nvidia powered GPU's and unless ATI somehow some where have a smashing breakthrough in GPU technology (which will never happen), I will continue to buy Nvidia.
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Lafaiel wrote:
you guys are missing something here, I see a lot of "since the release of this card the price of this other one has gone down" . the reason those cards dropped in price is because of the advent of the AMD 6xxx cards.

the day the 6870 was out the 470 dropped to $260, thats not coincidence. and according to benchmarks, crossfired 6870's are not far behind crossfired 5870's, that from a replacement for the 5770.

when the 6970's hit the real battle will begin.


You mean ATI, not AMD.....

Anyways, ATI is always behind, Nvidia release the latest and greatest, ATI release thiers at an undercut price at which point Nvidia drop thier prices, its a buisness agreement I am sure between the two companies no doubt.

I have never had a good run with ATI, ever. In all the machines I have built for people, nethier have thier machines had a good experience. I am not saying I have always had a great run with Nvidia ethier, but my experience with Nvidia has been much greater then with ATI and therefore, I buy Nvidia powered GPU's and unless ATI somehow some where have a smashing breakthrough in GPU technology (which will never happen), I will continue to buy Nvidia.


hate to say it Taemek, but it seems you've been behind the times a bit, ATI is no longer, AMD has decided to drop the long standing name, the red team is now AMD.

for a long time there ATI had the lead on nvidia in sales and performance till the fermi cards were released, but before that the 5870 was king till the 480 came along. do a little reading on it and you'll see what I mean.

as for having bad luck with ATI, its mostly thier drivers that are the problem, but they seem to be getting a bit better.
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Taemek wrote:
Kierk wrote:
Although this card looks awesome and what the 480 should have been, I've never picked up a high end card before and I don't think I ever will.

I still have my 8800GT 512MB, that I have overclocked that works as well as a GTX 460 (for the most part). Not to mention my 8800GT is silent with a accelero cooler.

When I'm able to buy a GTX 460 with a fanless cooler, I might upgrade. But now there's really no need.


Am I correct in saying that you truely think that your 8800GT OC'd is as powerful as a 460? 0.o

Fanless coolers are bad, never buy a GPU with a fanless cooler unless you like artificing and clumping effects on your screen at which point, best get ready to buy a new GPU.



You are incorrect. I said "works as well" meaning for what I need it for, running FFXIV @ 720p at a decent clip. The FFXIV benchmarks between my card and the 460 were too close to warrant spending that much money. My card will pretty much do what I want it for, for $120-200 less. Meaning I would gain a very small performance gain for my money.

Next point. I've been running my fanless card for over 2 years and it's working fine. Not to mention I need a fanless card because I need a quiet computer.

A fanless heatsink on a GPU with a good case, good case fans and good airflow does work well.
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Lafaiel wrote:
[quote=Taemek][quote=Lafaiel] for a long time there ATI had the lead on nvidia in sales and performance till the fermi cards were released, but before that the 5870 was king till the 480 came along. do a little reading on it and you'll see what I mean.

Not true. The GeForce4 Ti series dominated their performance:price bracket, as did the G92 cards (8800GT, 8800GTS 512).
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SoumaKyou wrote:
Lafaiel wrote:
[quote=Taemek][quote=Lafaiel] for a long time there ATI had the lead on nvidia in sales and performance till the fermi cards were released, but before that the 5870 was king till the 480 came along. do a little reading on it and you'll see what I mean.

Not true. The GeForce4 Ti series dominated their performance:price bracket, as did the G92 cards (8800GT, 8800GTS 512).


sorry, I should have clarified "with the advent of the 5xxx dx11 cards" they too the lead for a while, nvidia did have them beat till then.
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#27 Nov 12 2010 at 4:00 PM Rating: Good
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Taemek wrote:
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This GPU is bascially what the 480 was supposed to be and should have been.


ROFL this type of attitude never ceases to exsist, kind of like FFXI is everything FFXIV should of been.......sigh, just goes on and on in all aspects of life.

I myself am waiting for the 700 series to upgrade too from my SLi 285's.

Edited, Nov 11th 2010 3:22am by Taemek


What exactly is so out of line about my comment? Do you even know that the 480 is a gimped version of the chip used to make it? They had problems with the design and had to disable parts of the chip to make the 480 work at all.

So yes, the 580 is what the 480 was supposed to be.

Get a clue, and learn that "should've" is "should have", not "should of". Also learn the difference between the words "to" and "too". Fool.
#28 Nov 13 2010 at 7:11 PM Rating: Good
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Glancing at the specs of the card - With the right cooling you can overclock a 470 and essentially be the proud owner of a virtual 580.

not a chance. 470 dont have enough bandwith, missing cores, less ram on the bigger cards too.

i already got 2x 480's so im just gonna wait till i get preformance issues and then new generation of cards come out most likely a pc by then.

Edited, Nov 11th 2010 3:20am by mitmystria


English lesson number two for this thread. I tried using quotes the second time, but it clearly did not work correctly.

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in a fundamental or basic way; in essence

Again, yes the 580 has lots of goodies that the 470 does not, but in """essence""" you can overclock the 470 and be competitive.

/triple quote off

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