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#1 Nov 09 2010 at 7:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Something is rotten in the state of Eorzea. At the Square Enix earnings conference this week, CEO Yoichi Wada tried to articulate what exactly that something was, and how they will attempt to fix it

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F U PC user!!!! We don't care about you, it's PS3 we want! You guys just test our ********** games!
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Thanks for the link, Elmer. It's a bit more new information compared to the other snippets we got from the earnings conference.

At this point, I have to say that it's all largely moot. The people who want to rage against the machine SE are going to continue to do so and the people who are optimistic that SE will be able to improve the game won't be surprised by anything Wada said. At this point it is what it is and the only new information I'm watching for is patch notes.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 6:06pm by Aurelius
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Wow... he just basically admitted that this game won't be fixed until next Spring.
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So, wanna take a guess how many fans will say they're perfectly fine continuing to pay to beta test on PC so the PS3 people can have a nice game?
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I'd hate to be in his shoes. It's impossible to put spin on this debacle and he has to try anyway.
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Tell me I'm not the only one who's infuriated by him trying to dodge questions and being as vague as possible-- instead of flat out saying that they ****** up, they're sorry, and that they'll work on their visibility.
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Elmer wrote:
Something is rotten in the state of Eorzea. At the Square Enix earnings conference this week, CEO Yoichi Wada tried to articulate what exactly that something was, and how they will attempt to fix it

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The only thing I got off that interview was that FFXIV actually helped SE's earning and wasn't responsible for the 75% drop the other thread is claiming.
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Tell me I'm not the only one who's infuriated by him trying to dodge questions and being as vague as possible-- instead of flat out saying that they @#%^ed up, they're sorry, and that they'll work on their visibility.


He wouldn't be doing his job as a PR guy if he did that.

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The only thing I got off that interview was that FFXIV actually helped SE's earning and wasn't responsible for the 75% drop the other thread is claiming.


Yes and no. Yes the sales made them money, but FFXIV is also costing them a lot of money in both development and server costs all while they are not asking for monthly fees. Their earnings may be padded but their actual profits are hurting big time because of the game.

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I have been trying to be optimistic and support SE...
But for the "rebirth"...
Spring is... too late.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 6:05pm by timmyofalex
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MajidahSihaam wrote:
Elmer wrote:
Something is rotten in the state of Eorzea. At the Square Enix earnings conference this week, CEO Yoichi Wada tried to articulate what exactly that something was, and how they will attempt to fix it

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The only thing I got off that interview was that FFXIV actually helped SE's earning and wasn't responsible for the 75% drop the other thread is claiming.


You need to read carefully. FFXIV was the biggest contributor due to the hype and it sold a healthy amount of copies, not record breaking. However, it's also their biggest downfall at the moment due to the negative response it has gotten. In order for SE's investors to come back and people to buy their stocks, they have to get positive response. As long as the public thinks their game and the way they handle their game is ****, they will think the company is ****, therefore not worth investing into. Would you buy into a company that has fail written all over it? When 1 person is telling you how bad something is, you think about it for 1 second. When a million people is telling you how bad something is, you stay clear away from the **** thing.
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I'm not paying to beta test this. I already spent $80 on a broken item, I'm not investing any more, until it meets my minimum standards. If they are smart, they'll extend the free play time until the game is "playable".
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He wouldn't be doing his job as a PR guy if he did that.


Admitting you screwed something up and then saying how you're going to fix it is not a PR disaster. Actually, it works better than trying to dodge questions from the people you ****** off.
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Heheh, you know, you'd REALLY think someone at SE would have told Wada to STFU by now. He's only speeding up the process of players leaving. lol
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My numbers may not be accurate, but from what I've been told, they SHIPPED 630,000 copies, and SOLD maybe 300,000 copies. Last I heard, there were 350,000 active accounts, of which some are "buddy pass" accounts.

So, there are probably 333,333 copies sitting on retailer shelves right now, and with all the bad reviews floating around, and bad worth of mouth, I don't think many more copies are going to be SHIPPED or SOLD over the next few months (well, maybe on e-bay).

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Wolfums wrote:
Ranzera wrote:
He wouldn't be doing his job as a PR guy if he did that.


Admitting you screwed something up and then saying how you're going to fix it is not a PR disaster. Actually, it works better than trying to dodge questions from the people you ****** off.


Marketing 101 agrees with you. Do you know how Dominos Pizza turned around? They called their pizza cardboard and introduced a new one. MMO players are obviously smart enough to use a computer. They are smart enough to know when they are being lied to. Lying to fans is definitely not very smart.

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My numbers may not be accurate, but from what I've been told, they SHIPPED 630,000 copies, and SOLD maybe 300,000 copies. Last I heard, there were 350,000 active accounts, of which some are "buddy pass" accounts.

So, there are probably 333,333 copies sitting on retailer shelves right now, and with all the bad reviews floating around, and bad worth of mouth, I don't think many more copies are going to be SHIPPED or SOLD over the next few months (well, maybe on e-bay).


It says those were copies sold, but yes, active accounts are a different story, which is probably why Wada avoided answering that question. There are definitely a lot of copies sitting on shelves in my area.

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It says those were copies sold, but yes, active accounts are a different story, which is probably why Wada avoided answering that question.

Edited, Nov 10th 2010 2:12am by Elmer



If you played from day 1 of pre-release, you would have an idea of how much subscriptions they lost. In the first week of the pre-release, there were an average of over 6k users on any given server. In the second week, it dropped to around 4-5k which is a given since it's always going to be way more packed in first week. The average amount of users online for this week is just under 1k. These are not facts but just my observations. That's a huge drop off in population and I can almost guarantee that it will result in dropped subscriptions.
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Big deal, March is 5 months away and I fully expect the PC version to be just fine before the PS3 Ver. is released. Keep playing, Quit, take a hiatus, or whatever. I've had to many years of SE contributed gaming to just walk away.
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Big deal, March is 5 months away and I fully expect the PC version to be just fine before the PS3 Ver. is released. Keep playing, Quit, take a hiatus, or whatever. I've had to many years of SE contributed gaming to just walk away.


I'm telling my friends to take a break until PS3 version is released. I'm going to try to put up with it and get through this period of frustration so that I won't feel like I've fallen behind when Spring comes around.
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History is against a turnaround. FFXIV will go on to have a modest number of subscribers but their dream of a WoW competitor are essentially over at this point. You only get one launch with an MMO and SE screwed the pooch on that. They will also have to scale back or outright cancel their plans for fully mocapped and voiced content on a three month release schedule because that will cost more development money that what can be justified for a game with 300-400k subscribers.
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Suck it up till March then? That's what it boils down to for me after reading that :|
Weak.... As far as his PR skills go, he's not exactly doing a good job 'rebuilding the trust' with words. We'll see how patches do.
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History is against a turnaround. FFXIV will go on to have a modest number of subscribers but their dream of a WoW competitor are essentially over at this point. You only get one launch with an MMO and SE screwed the pooch on that. They will also have to scale back or outright cancel their plans for fully mocapped and voiced content on a three month release schedule because that will cost more development money that what can be justified for a game with 300-400k subscribers.


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Does anyone else thing its ridiculous he talks about "regaining the user's trust" but then goes on to say he doesn't want to divulge any of the upcoming fixes and changes? Hello, that's how you regain trust, you make a promise and you deliver on it.
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MajidahSihaam wrote:
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History is against a turnaround. FFXIV will go on to have a modest number of subscribers but their dream of a WoW competitor are essentially over at this point. You only get one launch with an MMO and SE screwed the pooch on that. They will also have to scale back or outright cancel their plans for fully mocapped and voiced content on a three month release schedule because that will cost more development money that what can be justified for a game with 300-400k subscribers.


You get two lunches. One on PC, one on PS3.


The second (PS3) launch has already been detrimentally affected by the first (PC)launch. The PS3 launch will be nowhere near as successful as it could have been. The only mmo FFXIV will really be realistically competing against will be FFXI, and even then I can see FFXI coming out on top.

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What I read into the article is that they're planning fairly big changes for nov/dec but they don't expect a population turn around until march (ps3 release). Hopefully they suck it up and make some changes, I would like nothing more than to see it turn around to live up to its potential.
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If you look SE is contributing to many not so hot games right now. FFXIV being the most iconic and least loss. They are even involved in a F2P mmo Fantasy Earth Zero... I can't imagine it is making them much. Maybe I'm wrong. It is the definition of cheesy graphics and sounds. The gameplay is awesome and super simple. All skill based pvp. Who could stand to look at the characters tho?

It doesn't surprise me to see that their earnings are down with all these fingers in developing pots. I'm liking FFXIV so far. I've waited a lot longer for games to be relatively decent.(Cough... WoW Cough...) This is on the low end of content value even for a release but I've seen worse.
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I think the free trial should extend one more month since the major fixes are supposed to be in November and December. I want FFXIV to succeed and be fun, but one more free month I think will help people judge if they are actually fixing what they say they are.
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Zorvan wrote:
MajidahSihaam wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
History is against a turnaround. FFXIV will go on to have a modest number of subscribers but their dream of a WoW competitor are essentially over at this point. You only get one launch with an MMO and SE screwed the pooch on that. They will also have to scale back or outright cancel their plans for fully mocapped and voiced content on a three month release schedule because that will cost more development money that what can be justified for a game with 300-400k subscribers.


You get two lunches. One on PC, one on PS3.


The second (PS3) launch has already be detrimentally affected by the first (PC)launch.


People who game on PS3 and PC and have a computer capable of running XIV.
People who game on PS3 and PC and have a computer capable of running XIV and were planning to buy two copies of XIV.
People who only game on PS3.
People who are waiting on PS3 release to see if the game has changed.

The only people from the PS3 lunch affected by the PC version are the ones in group B. That's a very tiny group.

A clear example of this is bayonetta on PS3 and XBOX. A bad port in a different console didn't stop the game from being succesful.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 9:43pm by MajidahSihaam
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MajidahSihaam wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
History is against a turnaround. FFXIV will go on to have a modest number of subscribers but their dream of a WoW competitor are essentially over at this point. You only get one launch with an MMO and SE screwed the pooch on that. They will also have to scale back or outright cancel their plans for fully mocapped and voiced content on a three month release schedule because that will cost more development money that what can be justified for a game with 300-400k subscribers.


You get two lunches. One on PC, one on PS3.


And PC has not done well, and all the negative reviews from PC are scaring away PS3. Also think of this how many of the people out there who want to play XIV but don't own a PC? This game is not going to get "new" MMO players. It's not the type of game to do that. You think console johny is going to sink hours and days and months and years into a game that he'll really never progress in? Or is he just going to buy that next "new" game pay 60 bucks beat it in a month or two and buy a new one?

MMO is still kind of a niche market. I know WoW got all the kides to play but FFXIV is not WoW and can never compete with WoW. All it is is the next MMO and we all fell for the hype. When the next MMO comes out with some hype we'll leave this just like we left all the others.

This game failed. I like it, I hope it does better....but i'm the minority. The majority have left for different games, and as time goes by and the server pop grows less and less, new stuff will happen less and less, and soon it'll be the same thing. Lack of content for an aging population with no "new" player base to infuse the economy. How awesome is that supper rare+3 synth when your server is a wash with them and the only people who can afford them allready have one?
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MajidahSihaam wrote:
You get two lunches.


Thanks!

However I prefer several small meals throughout the day =D
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MajidahSihaam wrote:
Zorvan wrote:
MajidahSihaam wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
History is against a turnaround. FFXIV will go on to have a modest number of subscribers but their dream of a WoW competitor are essentially over at this point. You only get one launch with an MMO and SE screwed the pooch on that. They will also have to scale back or outright cancel their plans for fully mocapped and voiced content on a three month release schedule because that will cost more development money that what can be justified for a game with 300-400k subscribers.


You get two lunches. One on PC, one on PS3.


The second (PS3) launch has already be detrimentally affected by the first (PC)launch.


People who game on PS3 and PC and have a computer capable of running XIV.
People who game on PS3 and PC and have a computer capable of running XIV and were planning to buy two copies of XIV.
People who only game on PS3.
People who are waiting on PS3 release to see if the game has changed.

The only people from the PS3 lunch affected by the PC version are the ones in group B. That's a very tiny group.

A clear example of this is bayonetta on PS3 and XBOX. A bad port in a different console didn't stop the game from being succesful.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 9:43pm by MajidahSihaam


Hate to tell you, but there is no group B.

If you have a PC account, your account works on the PS3 also. See, I have a PS3. I figured I'd play the PC version until the PS3 version came out, since it would theoretically run better on the PS3 and the UI is already designed for it. But considering how the PC version has been treated, and how we as customers are being treated ( I don't pay a subscription to beta test ANY game), I won't be playing either version by the time it comes out on PS3.

Bet you I'm not the only one.

Edit: Also, the game the console players see in reviews is the same they're going to be getting. Same game, same controls, same UI. The only difference is they are going to have lesser graphics ( see those "recommended settings" SE has posted? The 1280 x 768 resolution?). Yeah, that's what the PS3 users are getting graphics wise. Otherwise known as 720p.

PS3 players are watching what happens with the PC. They see if there's any improvement, they see the "promises", and they see how the company treats its customers. By the time the PS3 version releases, SE's reputation will have preceded them.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 10:00pm by Zorvan

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I don't know, there's only so much you can pile on to a situation or the person in charge. I've made my peace that, instead of planning on playing this game for most of the next decade, I may give up on it if the November & December updates do not change enough of what is wrong. Of course in retrospect it was foolish to have such high hopes, but then again, I don't think anyone expected it to be quite the calamity that it is.
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Zorvan wrote:
MajidahSihaam wrote:
Zorvan wrote:
MajidahSihaam wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
History is against a turnaround. FFXIV will go on to have a modest number of subscribers but their dream of a WoW competitor are essentially over at this point. You only get one launch with an MMO and SE screwed the pooch on that. They will also have to scale back or outright cancel their plans for fully mocapped and voiced content on a three month release schedule because that will cost more development money that what can be justified for a game with 300-400k subscribers.


You get two lunches. One on PC, one on PS3.


The second (PS3) launch has already be detrimentally affected by the first (PC)launch.


People who game on PS3 and PC and have a computer capable of running XIV.
People who game on PS3 and PC and have a computer capable of running XIV and were planning to buy two copies of XIV.
People who only game on PS3.
People who are waiting on PS3 release to see if the game has changed.

The only people from the PS3 lunch affected by the PC version are the ones in group B. That's a very tiny group.

A clear example of this is bayonetta on PS3 and XBOX. A bad port in a different console didn't stop the game from being succesful.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 9:43pm by MajidahSihaam


Hate to tell you, but there is no group B.

If you have a PC account, your account works on the PS3 also. See, I have a PS3. I figured I'd play the PC version until the PS3 version came out, since it would theoretically run better on the PS3 and the UI is already designed for it. But considering how the PC version has been treated, and how we as customers are being treated ( I don't pay a subscription to beta test ANY game), I won't be playing either version by the time it comes out on PS3.

Bet you I'm not the only one.


I hate to tell you that you belong to group B: you'd still need to buy a PS3 copy of the game in order to play it there regardless of what account you assign to it.

And as I stated before, group B is a minority.

PS3's launch is pretty much unaffected by PC's.
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Zorvan wrote:
MajidahSihaam wrote:
Zorvan wrote:
MajidahSihaam wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
History is against a turnaround. FFXIV will go on to have a modest number of subscribers but their dream of a WoW competitor are essentially over at this point. You only get one launch with an MMO and SE screwed the pooch on that. They will also have to scale back or outright cancel their plans for fully mocapped and voiced content on a three month release schedule because that will cost more development money that what can be justified for a game with 300-400k subscribers.


You get two lunches. One on PC, one on PS3.


The second (PS3) launch has already be detrimentally affected by the first (PC)launch.


People who game on PS3 and PC and have a computer capable of running XIV.
People who game on PS3 and PC and have a computer capable of running XIV and were planning to buy two copies of XIV.
People who only game on PS3.
People who are waiting on PS3 release to see if the game has changed.

The only people from the PS3 lunch affected by the PC version are the ones in group B. That's a very tiny group.

A clear example of this is bayonetta on PS3 and XBOX. A bad port in a different console didn't stop the game from being succesful.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 9:43pm by MajidahSihaam


Hate to tell you, but there is no group B.

If you have a PC account, your account works on the PS3 also. See, I have a PS3. I figured I'd play the PC version until the PS3 version came out, since it would theoretically run better on the PS3 and the UI is already designed for it. But considering how the PC version has been treated, and how we as customers are being treated ( I don't pay a subscription to beta test ANY game), I won't be playing either version by the time it comes out on PS3.

Bet you I'm not the only one.

Edit: Also, the game the console players see in reviews is the same they're going to be getting. Same game, same controls, same UI. The only difference is they are going to have lesser graphics ( see those "recommended settings" SE has posted? The 1280 x 768 resolution?). Yeah, that's what the PS3 users are getting graphics wise. Otherwise known as 720p.

PS3 players are watching what happens with the PC. They see if there's any improvement, they see the "promises", and they see how the company treats its customers. By the time the PS3 version releases, SE's reputation will have preceded them.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 10:00pm by Zorvan

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 10:03pm by Zorvan


Actually, I am in group B. I am playing on PC (obviously). My wife will be playing on PS3 once it's released. This way we don't have to spend a lot of money to upgrade a second PC.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 9:05pm by Gadhelyn
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If they play this all out correctly, they will admit it has issues and not skate around the issue. I agree with the others that say Wada just needs to say it out right. He shouldn't say too much, but he is saying too little right now. Doesn't seem like the investors and everyone else is happy with his response. He needs to swallow down some of that pride and take his spanking. I for one, will respect him a lot more if he did so. They need to give us something to keep us playing till spring. I'm on the fence as to whether or not I'm going to pay to play while waiting for everything to get fixed. I see the pro's and con's for paying to play a beta.

I want to stay and play and be a part of the ones that help shape this game into an actual playable game. But, I don't want spring to come and me say, "Wow, that was a waste. They didn't even listen to us. This game is crap". I'm going to wait till the update before I make any decisions. I don't hate the game, but I don't like it as much as I should.
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MajidahSihaam wrote:
Zorvan wrote:
MajidahSihaam wrote:
Zorvan wrote:
MajidahSihaam wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
History is against a turnaround. FFXIV will go on to have a modest number of subscribers but their dream of a WoW competitor are essentially over at this point. You only get one launch with an MMO and SE screwed the pooch on that. They will also have to scale back or outright cancel their plans for fully mocapped and voiced content on a three month release schedule because that will cost more development money that what can be justified for a game with 300-400k subscribers.


You get two lunches. One on PC, one on PS3.


The second (PS3) launch has already be detrimentally affected by the first (PC)launch.


People who game on PS3 and PC and have a computer capable of running XIV.
People who game on PS3 and PC and have a computer capable of running XIV and were planning to buy two copies of XIV.
People who only game on PS3.
People who are waiting on PS3 release to see if the game has changed.

The only people from the PS3 lunch affected by the PC version are the ones in group B. That's a very tiny group.

A clear example of this is bayonetta on PS3 and XBOX. A bad port in a different console didn't stop the game from being succesful.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 9:43pm by MajidahSihaam


Hate to tell you, but there is no group B.

If you have a PC account, your account works on the PS3 also. See, I have a PS3. I figured I'd play the PC version until the PS3 version came out, since it would theoretically run better on the PS3 and the UI is already designed for it. But considering how the PC version has been treated, and how we as customers are being treated ( I don't pay a subscription to beta test ANY game), I won't be playing either version by the time it comes out on PS3.

Bet you I'm not the only one.


I hate to tell you that you belong to group B: you'd still need to buy a PS3 copy of the game in order to play it there regardless of what account you assign to it.

And as I stated before, group B is a minority.

PS3's launch is pretty much unaffected by PC's.


1. No, you don't. You can borrow a PS3 copy, or buy a used one for a couple bucks off ebay or craigslist. SE won't see any of that money. All you need a PS3 disc for is to install the client, someone with a PC account already won't need the PS3 key since they already have an account.

2. You keep believing that. Try not to be too upset when you see how wrong you are.

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LOL to anyone who thinks the PS3 version will save FFXIV in NA. NA is predominantly a PC market when it comes to MMO. If you can’t get a stable playing group on the PC you are not going to do it with the PS3 release.
#39 Nov 09 2010 at 9:14 PM Rating: Decent
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All that's needed is before the PS3 version is released, it gets reviewed and gets at least a decent review. That way the fixes will have proved to be satisfactory and the game will be fun to play.

Meanwhile I'll have fun with my linkshell of 40 active players, all having fun with this game :)
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Chnmmr wrote:
All that's needed is before the PS3 version is released, it gets reviewed and gets at least a decent review. That way the fixes will have proved to be satisfactory and the game will be fun to play.

Meanwhile I'll have fun with my linkshell of 40 active players, all having fun with this game :)


Not to be an *** here but if you guys are having fun awsome but when you hit level cap in a month or so ....what then, there is no content. You still plan on having a LS with 40 members all happy and loving the game?
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#41 Nov 09 2010 at 9:20 PM Rating: Good
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UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
Chnmmr wrote:
All that's needed is before the PS3 version is released, it gets reviewed and gets at least a decent review. That way the fixes will have proved to be satisfactory and the game will be fun to play.

Meanwhile I'll have fun with my linkshell of 40 active players, all having fun with this game :)


Not to be an *** here but if you guys are having fun awsome but when you hit level cap in a month or so ....what then, there is no content. You still plan on having a LS with 40 members all happy and loving the game?


Wish I could see the surprised look on his face when sub fees start and that "40 active players linkshell" has two people left.
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LOL to anyone who thinks the PS3 version will save FFXIV in NA. NA is predominantly a PC market when it comes to MMO. If you can’t get a stable playing group on the PC you are not going to do it with the PS3 release.



There are currently no running console MMORPGs (is PSU still running?) other than FFXI. So... uh, doh, every country is predominantly a PC market when it comes to MMO.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 10:27pm by MajidahSihaam

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 10:27pm by MajidahSihaam
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#43 Nov 09 2010 at 9:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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It sounds like a 'PC users, get ready for the PS3 launch'.

And to me that sounded like 'crafters, start making the low level gear now'
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It sounds like a 'PC users, get ready for the PS3 launch'.

And to me that sounded like 'crafters, start making the low level gear now'


Sure. How many retainers you going to buy to store that low level crap for the next 4 months 'til the PS3 launch?
Oh, wait. They haven't even been able to make simple micro-transactions work yet.
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#45 Nov 09 2010 at 9:51 PM Rating: Good
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MajidahSihaam wrote:
doubleax wrote:
LOL to anyone who thinks the PS3 version will save FFXIV in NA. NA is predominantly a PC market when it comes to MMO. If you can’t get a stable playing group on the PC you are not going to do it with the PS3 release.



There are currently no running console MMORPGs (is PSU still running?) other than FFXI. So... uh, doh, every country is predominantly a PC market when it comes to MMO.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 10:27pm by MajidahSihaam

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 10:27pm by MajidahSihaam


I should have said NA and the most of the world prefers PC when it comes to MMO. I still can't understand the thinking behind SE. There is a reason no one else is coding an MMO for a console. The UI just doesn't work well enough for MMO players. Now they are banking on a console version to save what is essentaily a PC market.

Other then the niche FFXI players they currently have, how many did they honestly think they are going to get with the PS3 release?
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Don't worry guys I'll hang around just long enough to turn off the servers for you.

Here is the real translation of what Wada said;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXlvFpf56vU
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#47 Nov 09 2010 at 9:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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doubleax wrote:
MajidahSihaam wrote:
doubleax wrote:
LOL to anyone who thinks the PS3 version will save FFXIV in NA. NA is predominantly a PC market when it comes to MMO. If you can’t get a stable playing group on the PC you are not going to do it with the PS3 release.



There are currently no running console MMORPGs (is PSU still running?) other than FFXI. So... uh, doh, every country is predominantly a PC market when it comes to MMO.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 10:27pm by MajidahSihaam

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 10:27pm by MajidahSihaam


I should have said NA and the most of the world prefers PC when it comes to MMO. I still can't understand the thinking behind SE. There is a reason no one else is coding an MMO for a console. The UI just doesn't work well enough for MMO players. Now they are banking on a console version to save what is essentaily a PC market.

Other then the niche FFXI players they currently have, how many did they honestly think they are going to get with the PS3 release?

Lot of us FFXI players are still on/came back to FFXI. I went to XIV for about a month, and am back on XI... seems to be that way for a lot of XI players i know. So i don't think their targeting XI players as much as they'd like to think they are.
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In the end, Wada admits that there were many things the company missed, including not only bugs, but difficult controls and other issues. While FFXIV will not prove an immediate success (both in terms of customer satisfaction and profit), Wada is looking to next Spring as being the rebirth of the beleaguered title. The plan is to focus on the quality of the gaming experience and the happiness of the players and have a solid title ready for the PS3 launch.


For those of you new to SE this is company code for 'The game is working exactly as planned'.

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#49 Nov 09 2010 at 10:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Big deal, March is 5 months away and I fully expect the PC version to be just fine before the PS3 Ver. is released. Keep playing, Quit, take a hiatus, or whatever. I've had to many years of SE contributed gaming to just walk away.


It will be better in beta

It will be better at launch

It will be better after a month

It will be better in November

It will be better next spring


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SE better hope that November update is a really big one.

Like someone else said, I'm not going pay to beta test a game. Yes, MMOs are never really finished but this one never fully got off the ground. This was a money grab and at this point just on principle alone I can't see myself playing this game.

It's not a pretty situation and I don't envy any of the people working on the game right now. I just really hope this gets to them and they rise to the occasion rather than them clinging to their dogmatic behavior of, "our way or the highway." In these current MMO times that sort of company behavior, including padding their earnings numbers with a sub-par game, just isn't going to fly.

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Oh man I wish I was there to see the Wada Roast!
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