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#52 Nov 09 2010 at 10:20 PM Rating: Good
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I love how I was right about this game. I was in closed beta and I knew this game was in no shape for retail weeks after but people kept saying "its just beta- more content is coming in retail." However, the problem was not even content, it was the lame UI.

I hate SP exping too, you "gimp" play to get max SP which is like playing FFXI oppositely. Instead of fast kills, u want slow kills...
#53 Nov 09 2010 at 10:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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The only thing I got off that interview was that FFXIV actually helped SE's earning and wasn't responsible for the 75% drop the other thread is claiming.


Yes and no. Yes the sales made them money, but FFXIV is also costing them a lot of money in both development and server costs all while they are not asking for monthly fees. Their earnings may be padded but their actual profits are hurting big time because of the game.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 8:04pm by Ranzera



Translation: FF14 was purposely released in its sorry crappy state so that their finances..their NUMBERS would look better before their financial cycle ended.

Without FF14's sale numbers their losses would've looked so bad their stock might've crashed completely. If I were an investor and saw this HUGE loss posted AND this horrible product released that would (and has) irreparably damaged the Final Fantasy franchise and brand name... i'd be getting my money out of SE as quickly as possible.

I dont think Wada will be CEO for much longer.
#54 Nov 09 2010 at 11:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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doubleax wrote:
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LOL to anyone who thinks the PS3 version will save FFXIV in NA. NA is predominantly a PC market when it comes to MMO. If you can’t get a stable playing group on the PC you are not going to do it with the PS3 release.



There are currently no running console MMORPGs (is PSU still running?) other than FFXI. So... uh, doh, every country is predominantly a PC market when it comes to MMO.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 10:27pm by MajidahSihaam

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 10:27pm by MajidahSihaam


I should have said NA and the most of the world prefers PC when it comes to MMO. I still can't understand the thinking behind SE. There is a reason no one else is coding an MMO for a console. The UI just doesn't work well enough for MMO players.


Actually Champions Online, and Age of Conan were canceled on Xbox 360 because of Microsoft's crappy XBL policies. It's the same thing that's keeping FFXIV from being released on the 360.

Edited, Nov 10th 2010 1:04am by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

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#55 Nov 09 2010 at 11:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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The top ten reasons, in no particular order, why PS3 will not resurrect this product:

1) Call of Duty: Black Ops
2) Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood
3) Dead Space 2
3) Dragon Age 2
4) Gran Turismo 5
5) LittleBigPlanet 2
6) Killzone 3
7) Crysis 2
8) Bulletstorm
9) F.E.A.R. 3
10) Mindjack

That's just anticipated titles up to and including March 2011. MMOs are no longer the only way for friends to play online together. People I know want a quick, unique and fun experience each time they pick up a controller, not to spam the 1 key in hopes they get some SP.

All the above titles have plenty of variety for a fun online experience. Those who want to play XIV, already are -- or have. SE needs to stop walking with blinders on thinking anyone is going to sit at their PS3 for hours forcing their way through XIV when a stack of other games they regard as fun are sitting right next to them staring them in the face.

If people want to craft with friends and make their own adventure, they'll just turn to Minecraft like most people I know in-game have. Sure Mincraft pales in comparison in the graphics department. But XIV's "wow" factor fades quickly after a player's first "I think I've seen that before."

I hope for SE's sake late November means 15-19 and not 22-26. Otherwise, there may not be a game for PS3 owners to even consider buying. I stand by my opinion that the New York Comicon was the last chance for good press. Now they're coasting on fumes but still holding faith in some absurd self-assurance.
#56 Nov 09 2010 at 11:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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It will be better in beta

It will be better at launch

It will be better after a month

It will be better in November

It will be better next spring


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Totally apt summary, especially considering some of us have been fooled by XI a hundred times already.
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#57 Nov 09 2010 at 11:18 PM Rating: Good
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I'd hate to be in his shoes. It's impossible to put spin on this debacle and he has to try anyway.
He's not trying very hard. I'm glad he was getting hammered with tough questions though.
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#58 Nov 09 2010 at 11:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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1. No, you don't. You can borrow a PS3 copy, or buy a used one for a couple bucks off ebay or craigslist. SE won't see any of that money. All you need a PS3 disc for is to install the client, someone with a PC account already won't need the PS3 key since they already have an account.

2. You keep believing that. Try not to be too upset when you see how wrong you are.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 10:08pm by Zorvan


Perhaps you should read your FFXIV instruction manual, you'd find proof there. Pg. 21 (North American Manual - Collector's Edition.) it reads:


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HOW DO I PLAY THE GAME ON A DIFFERENT PLATFORM?

If you would like to play FINAL FANTASY XIV on different
platforms using the same account, you will need to add a
registration code for the platform on which you would like to
play the game.

Select Add a service account from the service account top page,
enter your registration code, and then select the service account to
which you would like to add the platform.


And for the "pics or didn't happen" crowd:

Screenshot


Here's some simpler instructions:

1.) Open mouth.
2.) Insert foot.
3.) ???
4.) Profit...?

And in case you still don't get what that means, here's the simpler translation - In order to play on PC, PS3, 360, Wii, or whatever console they decide to release FFXIV on, you will need a separate Registration Code for each platform and must tie that key to each service account you own. So in order to play on PS3, you will have to buy the PS3 version of FFXIV. Unlike FFXI, you can't buy it second-hand, torrent it, or borrow a friend's copy for installation. Now, unless SE changes these rules, expect this to be what's gonna happen.

By the way, sorry for the quality of the photo, my phone doesn't have the greatest of cameras. But if you're still adamant about accepting this (I tried darkening the photo to make it show up better.) I'll go borrow my roomie's camera and take another photo. Either way it should be clear enough to make out what it reads.

EDIT: Fixed a typo there. I said to play on PC you'd have to buy the PS3 ver when I meant to play on PS3 you'd have to... well, you get it.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 9:24pm by SamusKnight
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#59 Nov 10 2010 at 12:02 AM Rating: Decent
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hey, to put some validity in the argument: im a ps3 player, i will be purchasing and playing FF14 on ps3 even with how the state of the game is right now. of course it will be a better game by march but the reviews of the game have not discouraged me.

one of the above posters nailed it, its the only MMO on console other than 11 and that pretty much guarentees sales, as it will with me
#60 Nov 10 2010 at 12:02 AM Rating: Decent
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hey, to put some validity in the argument: im a ps3 player, i will be purchasing and playing FF14 on ps3 even with how the state of the game is right now. of course it will be a better game by march but the reviews of the game have not discouraged me.

one of the above posters nailed it, its the only MMO on console other than 11 and that pretty much guarentees sales, as it will with me
#61 Nov 10 2010 at 12:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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um its not the only mmo on ps3 dc universe online also is coming early 2011
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#62 Nov 10 2010 at 12:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you would like to play FINAL FANTASY XIV on different
platforms using the same account, you will need to add a
registration code for the platform on which you would like to
play the game.
That's a bummer. What a great way to bring the costs of the game up without improving its quality.

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one of the above posters nailed it, its the only MMO on console other than 11 and that pretty much guarentees sales, as it will with me
I'm not sure that it guarantees a large number of subscribers though. It's already been said but there is a lot of competition for online games on the PS3. These games are likely to be scoring 8's and 9's on review sites while XIV languishes in the 4, 5, or 6 range.
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#63 Nov 10 2010 at 12:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sir SamusKnight wrote:
Zorvan wrote:
1. No, you don't. You can borrow a PS3 copy, or buy a used one for a couple bucks off ebay or craigslist. SE won't see any of that money. All you need a PS3 disc for is to install the client, someone with a PC account already won't need the PS3 key since they already have an account.

2. You keep believing that. Try not to be too upset when you see how wrong you are.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 10:08pm by Zorvan


Perhaps you should read your FFXIV instruction manual, you'd find proof there. Pg. 21 (North American Manual - Collector's Edition.) it reads:


Quote:
HOW DO I PLAY THE GAME ON A DIFFERENT PLATFORM?

If you would like to play FINAL FANTASY XIV on different
platforms using the same account, you will need to add a
registration code for the platform on which you would like to
play the game.

Select Add a service account from the service account top page,
enter your registration code, and then select the service account to
which you would like to add the platform.


And for the "pics or didn't happen" crowd:

Screenshot


Here's some simpler instructions:

1.) Open mouth.
2.) Insert foot.
3.) ???
4.) Profit...?

And in case you still don't get what that means, here's the simpler translation - In order to play on PC, PS3, 360, Wii, or whatever console they decide to release FFXIV on, you will need a separate Registration Code for each platform and must tie that key to each service account you own. So in order to play on PS3, you will have to buy the PS3 version of FFXIV. Unlike FFXI, you can't buy it second-hand, torrent it, or borrow a friend's copy for installation. Now, unless SE changes these rules, expect this to be what's gonna happen.

By the way, sorry for the quality of the photo, my phone doesn't have the greatest of cameras. But if you're still adamant about accepting this (I tried darkening the photo to make it show up better.) I'll go borrow my roomie's camera and take another photo. Either way it should be clear enough to make out what it reads.

EDIT: Fixed a typo there. I said to play on PC you'd have to buy the PS3 ver when I meant to play on PS3 you'd have to... well, you get it.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 9:24pm by SamusKnight


LOL Well, here's one time I'm glad I was wrong. Most (I started to say noone will, but these boards alone have shown there are some people who will do and pay for strange things) are not going to pay for both a PS3 and a PC key for one account, so it's just one more piece of fuel to add to the FFXIV bonfire.


Edited, Nov 10th 2010 1:46am by Zorvan

Edited, Nov 10th 2010 1:46am by Zorvan
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#64 Nov 10 2010 at 12:49 AM Rating: Good
Y'know I sorta did a stick foot-in-mouth moment myself there, I misread your second part:

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2. You keep believing that. Try not to be too upset when you see how wrong you are.


I thought it were to mean you were so sure of yourself there about the cross-platform piece that the poster you quoted could keep believing themselves and not to be upset when they're proven wrong. So, sorry about that and seeming like an ***. :/

Meanwhile I'm gonna enjoy the taste of my own foot, hope I didn't step in anything.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 10:50pm by SamusKnight
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#65 Nov 10 2010 at 1:10 AM Rating: Decent
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So this game is gonna be awesome overtime he's saying an didn't get a fast start... THE END! you can have all my money, praise to FFXIV!
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Wada is looking to next Spring as being the rebirth of the beleaguered title. The plan is to focus on the quality of the gaming experience and the happiness of the players and have a solid title ready for the PS3 launch.
Good to know that they didn't value/respect the PC users enough to want to have a solid title ready for their release.

The spring wont so much be the rebirth as the actual birth. The PC release has been more like bad fake contractions.

I wish they would stop being so secretive about everything and tell us what they're doing and when they plan to do it. There are so many unknowns still. That was a major contributor to the release being such a massive disappointment. They did not come clean about how the state of the game would be, and everyone was under the impression that things would be patched quickly. Not starting to get partially patched 2-3 months after release.
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Wada is looking to next Spring as being the rebirth of the beleaguered title. The plan is to focus on the quality of the gaming experience and the happiness of the players and have a solid title ready for the PS3 launch.
Good to know that they didn't value/respect the PC users enough to want to have a solid title ready for their release.

The spring wont so much be the rebirth as the actual birth. The PC release has been more like bad fake contractions.

I wish they would stop being so secretive about everything and tell us what they're doing and when they plan to do it. There are so many unknowns still. That was a major contributor to the release being such a massive disappointment. They did not come clean about how the state of the game would be, and everyone was under the impression that things would be patched quickly. Not starting to get partially patched 2-3 months after release.



I suspect they're being so secretive because at this point they probably don't know what they plan on doing. They probably have it mapped out until December which for most people will be too little, too late. They need to add content, not fixes (though corrections of the bad design decisions would help immensely) I think they are hoping for the PS3 sales to reverse their fortunes but I think the horrible pc reviews have impacted potential PS3 sales. With a few exceptions most of the pc players feel cheated. I think Wada will be out of a job too. Same thing happened to the lead on Conan and Warhammer as well, they both lost their jobs. I suspect he will be gone by the end of March.
#68 Nov 10 2010 at 1:56 AM Rating: Good
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MajidahSihaam wrote:
There are currently no running console MMORPGs (is PSU still running?) other than FFXI. So... uh, doh, every country is predominantly a PC market when it comes to MMO.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EverQuest_Online_Adventures

This one is still running.

But I wouldn't be surprised that most people have never heard of it.
#69 Nov 10 2010 at 2:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Actually, you probably WON'T need to buy a PS3 copy of the game. There will probably be a buddy pass with the PS3 release, and the buddy pass code counts as its own account. So all you'd have to do is find a friend who will give you their pass and let you borrow their disk.

I bought two copies of the game, and each still has an unused buddy code. Effectively, I still have two perfectly good copies of the game if anyone wanted them. Unfortunately, I don't think the demand is very high at this point.
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Actually, you probably WON'T need to buy a PS3 copy of the game. There will probably be a buddy pass with the PS3 release, and the buddy pass code counts as its own account. So all you'd have to do is find a friend who will give you their pass and let you borrow their disk.

I bought two copies of the game, and each still has an unused buddy code. Effectively, I still have two perfectly good copies of the game if anyone wanted them. Unfortunately, I don't think the demand is very high at this point.


Good point, I hadn't thought of that.


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Y'know I sorta did a stick foot-in-mouth moment myself there, I misread your second part:

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2. You keep believing that. Try not to be too upset when you see how wrong you are.


I thought it were to mean you were so sure of yourself there about the cross-platform piece that the poster you quoted could keep believing themselves and not to be upset when they're proven wrong. So, sorry about that and seeming like an ***. :/

Meanwhile I'm gonna enjoy the taste of my own foot, hope I didn't step in anything.

Edited, Nov 9th 2010 10:50pm by SamusKnight


Meh, I've experienced the taste of my own toe jam a few times myself.:p

Edited, Nov 10th 2010 3:25am by Zorvan
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#71cornyboob, Posted: Nov 10 2010 at 3:30 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Why do people keep saying this liek mindless lemmings?
#72 Nov 10 2010 at 3:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Why do people keep saying this liek mindless lemmings?

They anounced all the updates and patches on OCT15th.

Do you want them to anounce them again so you can reread them?
I think people are talking about things like chocobos, airships, side quests, companies, etc.

Things that the developers said would be in the game during many interviews, but as of yet have never given a rough estimate of when we can see them. They just say "no comment" whenever asked.
#73 Nov 10 2010 at 4:00 AM Rating: Good
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Something is rotten in the state of Eorzea. At the Square Enix earnings conference this week, CEO Yoichi Wada tried to articulate what exactly that something was, and how they will attempt to fix it

Read the Article


Your article reminded me of this scene from Fun with **** and Jane. Jim Carrey plays the part of Wada.

Edited, Nov 10th 2010 10:01am by BrickLayer
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To be honest this article is terrible. I've been calling for wada's head but unless someone is going to report properly on what he has said instead of taking snippets and manipulating forum readers to believe something then I dont think it best placed for us to comment appart from this article being really bad reporting.
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#75 Nov 10 2010 at 5:00 AM Rating: Good
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Hmmm WADA...

W - We're
A - Angry
D - Definatley
A - Angry
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Hmmm WADA...

W - We're
A - Angry
D - Definatley
A - Angry


I think its funnier to say....Wada piece of crp...

I dont though..I actually like the game. I have patience and like someone already said,the biggest news will be the patch notes,and I'll give it some time afterwards. I want the game to do well and I will pay to help them make it better.

If you can afford a decent spec machine to play this game and if you were a fan you probably shouldnt mind stumping up the cash to pay for it until April 11.
#77 Nov 10 2010 at 6:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Being one of the few people on these forums that actually likes the game, I'm actually relieved to see Wada taking some kicks and actually acknowledge there is a problem with the game. Even if there is no time-line other than Nov-Dec and PS3 release in March.

Typically, in true SE fashion - they would deny-deny-deny and move forward. It seems pretty sad to find him admitting a problem is a *good* thing.. but we're talking about SE here.

As for PS3 release - my girlfriend will be playing on the PS3 (she plays on PC now) and will use the buddy pass codes we have to play our characters on the big screen. We could hook a PC up to the TV now.. but it's rather uncomfortable unless you have a controller. If we didn't have a buddy pass, we would be purchasing a PS3 copy of the game.. and we still might, it's still up for debate.

It's not all doom and gloom as some members hope it to be - I have a lot of friends waiting for PS3 release to start playing again.
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#78 Nov 10 2010 at 6:35 AM Rating: Good
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Good to know that they didn't value/respect the PC users enough to want to have a solid title ready for their release.


This is a shock? PC users are just beta testers that will be paying for the privelage. They assumed that being pretty was enough to keep western PC players happy. This game will be aimed at the PS3 JP market and stuff everyone else now, thats honestly the only way they can salvage it anyway. If the ps3 version fails in japan the game is dead.
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Tell me I'm not the only one who's infuriated by him trying to dodge questions and being as vague as possible-- instead of flat out saying that they @#%^ed up, they're sorry, and that they'll work on their visibility.


Err, if you read a little harder and put some more reading comprehension behind it instead of looking at it through those biased glasses your wearing, you would see he basically said all that, just worded more constructively then, oh sorry we @#%^ed up, we will do better next time......

Seriously, majority of peoples reading skills on these forums is very poor. People only see or pick out sentences to suit thier own arguments, which is pretty much based solely of thier opinions, nothing at all to do with facts.

Admnins, I gotta ask, why do you guys feel the need to keep stirring the pot with these threads and just getting everyone fired up again after it starts to calm down in here?

Edited, Nov 10th 2010 7:54am by Taemek
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Here is the real translation of what Wada said;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXlvFpf56vU



one thing

LMFAO...

just cuz it fits perfectly
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How many mmos games were 100% flawless and at full edngame status at launch? Does anyone even remember how god awful wow was when it launched? It was the second only to that glitch fest AO launch. There is only one MMO that never recovered from a bad launch that I can think of, that was Vanguard.

Realistically speaking an mmo is never fully matured prior to 1 year, and you are playing and paying for a beta to that point.

Now I'm not trying to play the fanboi role, but I know the reality of MMOs, I've been gaming since UO first launched. And every single one of the MMOs had issues for at least 1 year. The ball is in SE's court, I am willing to ride out the problems the game has, because it isn't outside the norm of any MMO launch. A wait and see attitude always has to be taken when it comes to any MMO launch.

I've been a fucom beta tester for years, none of you even come close to learning the meaning of patience.

Edited, Nov 10th 2010 8:04am by Spyrit178

Edited, Nov 10th 2010 8:09am by Spyrit178
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Well, for all those who are leaving after the free trial, that's okay, more fun for me ^_^
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I still think the game has "potential" ... but until that potential is realized, I have unsubscribed. There are too many other MMOs coming out in 2011 that I actually WANT to spend my money on. If I don't feel like playing FFXIV during the free period, I'm definitely not going to play it after the free period ends. When the PS3 version is released ... I may reevaluate. Until then ... I hope those of you who are still playing are having a great time.
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Spyrit178 wrote:
How many mmos games were 100% flawless and at full edngame status at launch? Does anyone even remember how god awful wow was when it launched? It was the second only to that glitch fest AO launch. There is only one MMO that never recovered from a bad launch that I can think of, that was Vanguard.

Realistically speaking an mmo is never fully matured prior to 1 year, and you are playing and paying for a beta to that point.

Now I'm not trying to play the fanboi role, but I know the reality of MMOs, I've been gaming since UO first launched. And every single one of the MMOs had issues for at least 1 year. The ball is in SE's court, I am willing to ride out the problems the game has, because it isn't outside the norm of any MMO launch. A wait and see attitude always has to be taken when it comes to any MMO launch.

I've been a fucom beta tester for years, none of you even come close to learning the meaning of patience.

Edited, Nov 10th 2010 8:04am by Spyrit178

Edited, Nov 10th 2010 8:09am by Spyrit178


The only flaw for WoW's launch was its horrible server stability. Blizzard themselves stated that they simply were not expecting to get such a huge response (keep in mind that Everquest, the biggest MMORPG on the market at the time capped at 600k subscribers worldwide) and they would continue to have to create new servers for over 2 years to accommodate the ridiculous growth of population that they received.

I know people like to rag on WoW's launch but honestly, the game had it all at the start (save their population far exceeding their expectations and destroying a few server's stability for weeks): highly polished gameplay, unbelievable amounts of content (whether it was pre-lvl 60 content or endgame content), an excellent UI, etc.


Edited, Nov 10th 2010 8:26am by Numnaydar
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(snip) [WoW had] an excellent UI, etc.


In this case, "excellent" meaning "absolutely sucks 'out of the box', but able to be thoroughly modded into something much better without having to move heaven and earth, and in fact being ENCOURAGED to do so by the company behind it, as long as you didn't make cheating or botting mods anyways." Yeah, that's a mouthful. In fact, come to think of it, I think FFXI, and now XIV, are the only major MMOs released in the past six years or so that don't allow some extent of client-side UI modification (outside of those HORRIBLE EVIL NASTY Windowers and other third-party programs). [/derail]

Anyways, back on topic, I really, really, REALLY hope that SE pulls about half a dozen miracle patches out of their asses between now and the PS3 release and actually makes this game worth buying, but I'm not holding my breath.
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How many mmos games were 100% flawless and at full edngame status at launch? Does anyone even remember how god awful wow was when it launched? It was the second only to that glitch fest AO launch. There is only one MMO that never recovered from a bad launch that I can think of, that was Vanguard.

Realistically speaking an mmo is never fully matured prior to 1 year, and you are playing and paying for a beta to that point.

Now I'm not trying to play the fanboi role, but I know the reality of MMOs, I've been gaming since UO first launched. And every single one of the MMOs had issues for at least 1 year. The ball is in SE's court, I am willing to ride out the problems the game has, because it isn't outside the norm of any MMO launch. A wait and see attitude always has to be taken when it comes to any MMO launch.

I've been a fucom beta tester for years, none of you even come close to learning the meaning of patience.

Edited, Nov 10th 2010 8:04am by Spyrit178

Edited, Nov 10th 2010 8:09am by Spyrit178


I was there in Anarchy Online's beta and release. Even with all the bugs and crashing, there was more to do, the combat was more fun, and the UI was better in a 2001 game than SE has released with FFXIV in 2010.

At release, WoW had more content in just the first 10 levels than FFXIV has in the entire 50.

LotRO was extremely polished and had a crapload of content right on the day of release.

Welcome to 2010, bro. We don't want, and will not accept, excuses for lazy developers anymore.

I have absolutely no interest in the new Star Wars: The Old Republic. But I can guarantee SE will be ******** themselves painfully if Bioware launches in the same quarter as FFXIV's PS3 launch.

That's not to mention Guild Wars 2, Rifts, and other upcoming higly anticipated mmos.

If SE manages to even have HALF of FFXI's LOWEST population numbers when these games hit, Wada better be on his knees thanking whatever god took pity on them.
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#87 Nov 10 2010 at 8:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, I'm glad that you folks pointed out the new method of accounts across different platforms. Actually looks like another money-grab to me - it wasn't like this with FFXI and that's probably where Zorvan got the idea from in the first place. So in order to play on Ps3, I will have to buy a new copy with an unused code.

I'm actually going to think twice on this one now. My original plan was to wait until people started reselling their boxes and pick one up for cheap. I guess that won't be possible. That's extremely disappointing news for those of us long-time fans who were so obsessed with XI we had a copy on all three platforms. All my Ps2 copies are second-hand since you can't get them anymore.
#88 Nov 10 2010 at 8:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Profit margin on the retail sale of the disc is unbelievable. Especially for the PC version, where the production cost of the disc is minuscule, and you get fanbois (myself included) ordering CE in advance. Blu-ray discs are exponentially more expensive to produce, but I would think that the margin is still pretty staggering come PS3 release. It's just an absurd amount of $$$ to leave on the table right before the close of your fiscal year / quarter.

The other interesting dynamic that's emerging in retail video game sales is the pre-sale / pre-order world. Retailers take reservations / pre-orders, and reports to SE the number of pre-orders that they have. This way, SE can gauge demand and determine (roughly) how many copies of the game they need to press at release. (For the record, retailers like GameStop earn interest on your pre-order deposits or advanced payments in-full...)

The problem with pre-order sales is that it's a guaranteed return on SE's release. Wada could take a sh*t in a box, write FFXIV on the label, and ship it to you: you've already paid for it advance (or promised to pay for it as soon as it arrives). Now of course, a lot of people won't be purchasing a sh*t in a box on week 2 of release, but if the pre-order was big enough and week 1 sales were good enough, it doesn't matter.

MMO's are different because of pay-to-play subscription models, but for software sales they make their nut on the front-end (like the first weekend of a movie release)

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Ok a messege to you all only an absolute ****** will see a MMO at release and see release interviews and say they are never going to play it again 5 months is alot of time to improve the game, in 5 months we can have loads more content, very few bugs and a hugely improved MMO.

MMOs are made to change and evolve not to stay at the state they are in at release forever.

After the nov and dec updates all reviews will be useless because the points they all mentioned are supposed to be fixed in those updates.
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#90 Nov 10 2010 at 9:33 AM Rating: Decent
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MajidahSihaam wrote:
There are currently no running console MMORPGs (is PSU still running?) other than FFXI. So... uh, doh, every country is predominantly a PC market when it comes to MMO.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EverQuest_Online_Adventures

This one is still running.

But I wouldn't be surprised that most people have never heard of it.


This was the first MMO I ever played. First game I ever got to beta test too. I quit it for FFXI's release on the PS2, then eventually got a gaming PC, and a few months ago I gave my discs and account info away.
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#91 Nov 10 2010 at 9:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ok a messege to you all only an absolute ****** will see a MMO at release and see release interviews and say they are never going to play it again 5 months is alot of time to improve the game, in 5 months we can have loads more content, very few bugs and a hugely improved MMO.

MMOs are made to change and evolve not to stay at the state they are in at release forever.

After the nov and dec updates all reviews will be useless because the points they all mentioned are supposed to be fixed in those updates.


Maybe, maybe not. I seem to remember people saying the same thing about Beta, then Beta 2, then release. Then a month later. Well, someone already posted the timeline.

I'm not saying that they can't still turn this around - I'm just saying that they have a heck of a task ahead of them in order to do so and history has a tendency to repeat itself when it comes to SE.

I'd like to know where those sales numbers came from in the article. Vgchartz has the worldwide totals clocking in at just under 400k (no Japan data) With NA making up the bulk of that number at almost 350k ourselves. What is the source of sales numbers from the article, and why does it differ so greatly from the data we have from VG?


#92 Nov 10 2010 at 10:18 AM Rating: Decent
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MajidahSihaam wrote:
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History is against a turnaround. FFXIV will go on to have a modest number of subscribers but their dream of a WoW competitor are essentially over at this point. You only get one launch with an MMO and SE screwed the pooch on that. They will also have to scale back or outright cancel their plans for fully mocapped and voiced content on a three month release schedule because that will cost more development money that what can be justified for a game with 300-400k subscribers.


You get two lunches. One on PC, one on PS3.


*Launches.

And no, you only get one launch with an MMO. Subsequent platforms mean nothing as they're nothing more than altered versions of an already existing product that's available in your region.

Stop spouting nonsense and use your **** brain.
#93 Nov 10 2010 at 10:29 AM Rating: Good
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(snip) [WoW had] an excellent UI, etc.


In this case, "excellent" meaning "absolutely sucks 'out of the box', but able to be thoroughly modded into something much better without having to move heaven and earth, and in fact being ENCOURAGED to do so by the company behind it, as long as you didn't make cheating or botting mods anyways." Yeah, that's a mouthful. In fact, come to think of it, I think FFXI, and now XIV, are the only major MMOs released in the past six years or so that don't allow some extent of client-side UI modification (outside of those HORRIBLE EVIL NASTY Windowers and other third-party programs). [/derail]

Anyways, back on topic, I really, really, REALLY hope that SE pulls about half a dozen miracle patches out of their asses between now and the PS3 release and actually makes this game worth buying, but I'm not holding my breath.


No, that's your opinion; the UI was well laid out and actually clean if you only use the bare-bones UI. Simply because you didn't like it personally doesn't mean that it 'sucks'. Frankly, I hated FFXI's UI because it was nothing but list commands and it felt like I was playing a game in Windows 3.1 -- but that doesn't mean it's a bad UI.

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Spyrit178 wrote:
How many mmos games were 100% flawless and at full edngame status at launch? Does anyone even remember how god awful wow was when it launched? It was the second only to that glitch fest AO launch. There is only one MMO that never recovered from a bad launch that I can think of, that was Vanguard.

Realistically speaking an mmo is never fully matured prior to 1 year, and you are playing and paying for a beta to that point.

Now I'm not trying to play the fanboi role, but I know the reality of MMOs, I've been gaming since UO first launched. And every single one of the MMOs had issues for at least 1 year. The ball is in SE's court, I am willing to ride out the problems the game has, because it isn't outside the norm of any MMO launch. A wait and see attitude always has to be taken when it comes to any MMO launch.

I've been a fucom beta tester for years, none of you even come close to learning the meaning of patience.

Edited, Nov 10th 2010 8:04am by Spyrit178

Edited, Nov 10th 2010 8:09am by Spyrit178


I was there in Anarchy Online's beta and release. Even with all the bugs and crashing, there was more to do, the combat was more fun, and the UI was better in a 2001 game than SE has released with FFXIV in 2010.

At release, WoW had more content in just the first 10 levels than FFXIV has in the entire 50.

LotRO was extremely polished and had a crapload of content right on the day of release.

Welcome to 2010, bro. We don't want, and will not accept, excuses for lazy developers anymore.

I have absolutely no interest in the new Star Wars: The Old Republic. But I can guarantee SE will be sh*tting themselves painfully if Bioware launches in the same quarter as FFXIV's PS3 launch.

That's not to mention Guild Wars 2, Rifts, and other upcoming higly anticipated mmos.

If SE manages to even have HALF of FFXI's LOWEST population numbers when these games hit, Wada better be on his knees thanking whatever god took pity on them.


^^^

This is what the blind fanboys of FFXIV neglect to realize (not normal fans, the rabid, moronic ones); the game is so poorly unfinished it's not even funny. It doesn't matter what FFXI had upon launch (and still had more than this game even in the original version). It doesn't matter that you like to make-believe that every MMO has as bad of a launch as FFXIV does.

What does matter is that the above mentioned ones (and even a few others) have had more to do and are more polished LAUNCH products than FFXIV that it's absolutely absurd to try to believe otherwise. Frankly, LotRO on launch will have had more content than FFXIV will have after a year of service at this rate.

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#94 Nov 10 2010 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
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kyansaroo wrote:
Does anyone else thing its ridiculous he talks about "regaining the user's trust" but then goes on to say he doesn't want to divulge any of the upcoming fixes and changes? Hello, that's how you regain trust, you make a promise and you deliver on it.


Ask the guys on the Fable team what happens when you divulge too much of your plans before sending the product to the masses.

I'd like a "well we're trying to impliment X Y or Z", but ultimately the community and press will degrade them if they never end up going in the direction that the developer mentions pre-release.
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PerrinofSylph wrote:
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Does anyone else thing its ridiculous he talks about "regaining the user's trust" but then goes on to say he doesn't want to divulge any of the upcoming fixes and changes? Hello, that's how you regain trust, you make a promise and you deliver on it.


Ask the guys on the Fable team what happens when you divulge too much of your plans before sending the product to the masses.

I'd like a "well we're trying to impliment X Y or Z", but ultimately the community and press will degrade them if they never end up going in the direction that the developer mentions pre-release.


Turbine learned this lesson the hard way too. Pre-Moria one of the PR guys made a comment about the new legendary weapons that will grow with you. Players took that to mean 1 weapon that essentially becomes a second character with levels, skills, stats, etc. Instead Turbine made a system that required you grind through hundreds of random number generated legendary weapons until you got one that had a decent combination of states/skills, only to be deemed obsolete when the next expansion pack hit requiring another huge grind to get the new legendary weapon, etc. etc.

Making promises is great, but if you can't keep them they hurt more than not making a promise at all. I think SE is doing fine PR wise right now. They've apologized for the poor launch and gave us an extra free month to show their sincerity. They've told us some specific issues that will be fixed in Nov/Dec and they've given some vague ideas of where the game is heading. Making promises they can't keep at this stage would be the final nail in the coffin.
#96 Nov 10 2010 at 1:14 PM Rating: Good
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Kachi wrote:
Actually, you probably WON'T need to buy a PS3 copy of the game. There will probably be a buddy pass with the PS3 release, and the buddy pass code counts as its own account. So all you'd have to do is find a friend who will give you their pass and let you borrow their disk.

I bought two copies of the game, and each still has an unused buddy code. Effectively, I still have two perfectly good copies of the game if anyone wanted them. Unfortunately, I don't think the demand is very high at this point.

I have to wonder if the buddy codes are platform specific like the regular codes are. I would certainly hope not since I also have a buddy pass but it would make sense if SE is trying to squeeze as much money out of players as they can.
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"In the short term, we're working hard on restoring user trust."

Something about that just doesn't rub me right.
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I really hope the Nov and Dec Patch fixes the major issues and adds content that will make the game enjoyable. However, I think people are more ****** off because of SE's way of handling things.

People were complaining about all these things back in beta; the major stuff. Has any of it gotten fixed? Absolutely not.

Also, it seems that they are tweaking the game every week to make sure that people aren't getting to cap so soon. They've gone as far as modifying the ranks of recipes to make it higher which caused a domino effect. They didn't change the leve craft levels to accomodate the new rank for the recipes, so now you have a rank 10 crafting leve that requires you to craft a rank 15 or higher craft. Not to mention, they took out certain materials that were sold from npc such as Undyed Canvas and made it impossible for people to craft Canvas Fent at the correct rank which is rank 21. It takes 2 Undyed Canvas (Rank 29 craft) to make Canvas Fent (Rank 21 craft). Somebody like me, who wants to repair his own gears, cannot do so unless I suck it up and pay for overpriced Undyed Canvas to make the Canvas Fent. If you're going to argue that I should be seeking repairs, please don't. I do not like spending time and crossing my fingers hoping I will find somebody to repair my gears. Then again, maybe I shouldn't be so ocd and just fight with broken gears. Wait, I'm confused now.
#99 Nov 10 2010 at 3:15 PM Rating: Good
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I really hope the Nov and Dec Patch fixes the major issues and adds content that will make the game enjoyable.
The problems run so deep in the game, I honestly don't know how they could pull it off in a single patch.
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bleh, double

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#101 Nov 10 2010 at 4:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ok a messege to you all only an absolute ****** will see a MMO at release and see release interviews and say they are never going to play it again 5 months is alot of time to improve the game, in 5 months we can have loads more content, very few bugs and a hugely improved MMO.

MMOs are made to change and evolve not to stay at the state they are in at release forever.

After the nov and dec updates all reviews will be useless because the points they all mentioned are supposed to be fixed in those updates.


No, only absolute retards pay for a product that needs 5 months of patches to become a full game.

And you can say all you want about "reviews being worthless after Nov/Dec updates" all you want, doesn't change the fact that right now there's nothing but words and "promises". I consider action more important than words, and I've seen no action from SE yet.
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