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#1 Nov 12 2010 at 4:56 AM Rating: Default
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Considering the early release to their exp. Your thoughts. :)
#2 Nov 12 2010 at 5:02 AM Rating: Decent
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If I worked for blizzard I would be looking forward to more players, not only do they have no idea wtf they are doing with XIV but I wouldnt put it past them to ruin XI before very much longer. More players for WoW or other then I guess.

Amazing just how clueless Square are these days.
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#3 Nov 12 2010 at 5:11 AM Rating: Default
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Se has delivered pure **** over the past 10 years or so, Blizzard has released several smash hits.

So I'm gonna go ahead and give that one a "no".
#4 Nov 12 2010 at 5:13 AM Rating: Decent
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If I worked for blizzard I would be looking forward to more players, not only do they have no idea wtf they are doing with XIV but I wouldnt put it past them to ruin XI before very much longer. More players for WoW or other then I guess.

Amazing just how clueless Square are these days.


Regardless that this question is plain ridiculous the above quote either shows a lack of knoeledge or a lack of grammar.

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#5 Nov 12 2010 at 5:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Se has delivered pure sh*t over the past 10 years or so, Blizzard has released several smash hits.


It's not that hard to rehash the same game over and over again, y'know?

The bubble is about to pop, but due to their snail-like development it's not going to happen yet.
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#6 Nov 12 2010 at 5:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Hyanmen wrote:
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Se has delivered pure sh*t over the past 10 years or so, Blizzard has released several smash hits.


It's not that hard to rehash the same game over and over again, y'know?

The bubble is about to pop, but due to their snail-like development it's not going to happen yet.


Ya I agree, I never accused them of being trail blazers. And I think Bobby Kotick is a heavy dbag and could ruin the company. But the thing is, people are buying Blizzard games, and ROFL at SE games. So the question "can they compete" or "are they competing" is pretty silly.
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But the thing is, people are buying Blizzard games, and ROFL at SE games. So the question "can they compete" or "are they competing" is pretty silly.


In the critical sense it is silly, but in the commercial sense not so much. WoW trumps everything out there, but it's not like SE's flagship titles aren't selling. They release more games and some of them end up being both critical and commercial failures, but when the games sell they Do sell well.

I still don't think they're competing with Blizzard though.
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#8 Nov 12 2010 at 5:38 AM Rating: Good
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I think SE has been riding its goodwill/nostalgia (FF rehashes) train for the past few years. They're last good title was FFXII for PS2.

So no they aren't competing with blizzard. Hate them all you want but they put out games with polish that isn't matched by ANYONE in the industry.
#9 Nov 12 2010 at 5:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think the public that SE targets is different from Blizzards. However, I read that SE wanted to compete with WoW. Unfortunately, that will not be possible now, unless somekind of miracle happens.

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#10 Nov 12 2010 at 9:04 AM Rating: Default
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The fact of the matter goes deeper then Blizzard and SE. Right now and for a while now Japanese companies have been struggling to keep up with Na games that is why most of the Japanese companies are going by the waste side. Just look at what used to be the event of the year Tokyo game show. It is regarded now highly as a joke. USA is just heads and tails above Japan right now when it comes to video genre. Yea USA !!! We still can produce somethign of quality!
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KristoFurwalken wrote:
Se has delivered pure sh*t over the past 10 years or so, Blizzard has released several smash hits.

So I'm gonna go ahead and give that one a "no".


I can't argue with how FFXIV was given to us, (but i'm hopeful it'll turn around) but you're honestly saying FFXI was pure ****? O.o. Not to mention if you're including EVERYTHING from the last 10 years then FFIX would also be on that list, and you are quite silly if you're calling that pure ****, not to mention other great games released in that decade time frame. Anyone who thought this would compete with WoW (even IF it was released actually finished) is kidding themselves. But anything I type is pretty much moot since i'm sure this is just a troll thread and i'm just feeding it....
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#12 Nov 12 2010 at 9:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd go as far as to say the best games I've played on PSP have been made by Square. That's not much said from the company that used to rule in the PS1 and PS2 generation, but when they're not working with massive teams and big budgets I think they're at their best. Real creativity just doesn't seem to have place in the current gen consoles anymore, aside from the small budget gems you can buy from the online stores. SE hasn't really tried to get into that sort of business yet, but I think they'd do rather well there too.

But as far as the whole decade is concerned, I think their partnership with Disney and the creation of the Kingdom Hearts franchise was a pretty good accomplishment. The games themselves turned out to be good too, gameplay and all.

The Last Remnant was ironically the game I had most fun with in 2008, but my opinion hardly matters among all the people who disliked it.

Either way, I don't agree with people saying Japanese game development is behind the rest of the world. The opposite, really. Japanese make the best 3rd person action games (Platinum Games anyone, Hideo Kojima, even Final Fantasy?) and fighting games (does West even make them?). Can't forget Gran Turismo, although they kinda failed with the development of GT5...

I personally believe these two(three) genres are the pinnacle of gaming (as far as actual playing goes), so Japan is hardly "behind". They just can't make proper RPG's nor real time strategy games. Can't have it all.

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#13 Nov 12 2010 at 9:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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SE really has just had their heads in the sand for too many years and need to look around at the titles that are selling in the multi-millions. I'm not just talking about WoW, either. I'm talking about smash hit offline games that play as if you were in an open world mmo.

Here's my take on it - SE has always been ahead of their time in terms of making games beautiful. Even Spirits Within's CGI was best in class at the time - it's just that the story fell flat because nobody could relate to it. It was too predictable, and relied too heavily on knowing every FF game released to understand the terminology to enjoy mainstream success.

I really think they just need some new blood in there. Blizzard just feels like a *younger* company (as do many other devs) and SE just feels more like *old school RPG*.

People moved on from the old school style "Read the wall of text, fight monsters to level up and move to the next town" style of game, but SE never did. So the result is that we get a game with 2010-class graphics, but 1990-class gameplay. I'm holding out hope since that post on Lodestone about their plan - but they really need to just bring the gameplay to be on par with the graphics and Blizzard *will* actually have to think twice about dismissing SE as a non-competitor.

I guess we'll see what happens come March.
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KristoFurwalken wrote:
Se has delivered pure sh*t over the past 10 years or so, Blizzard has released several smash hits.

So I'm gonna go ahead and give that one a "no".


I can't argue with how FFXIV was given to us, (but i'm hopeful it'll turn around) but you're honestly saying FFXI was pure sh*t? O.o. Not to mention if you're including EVERYTHING from the last 10 years then FFIX would also be on that list, and you are quite silly if you're calling that pure sh*t, not to mention other great games released in that decade time frame. Anyone who thought this would compete with WoW (even IF it was released actually finished) is kidding themselves. But anything I type is pretty much moot since i'm sure this is just a troll thread and i'm just feeding it....


Ya I agree it was a bit much to call it all "pure ****". I mean, there were a few decent/good games in there, but nothing really great. Not saying anything Blizzard did was all that amazing, but as far as any sort of competition goes SE isn't in the same league. Not just Blizzard really, I guess the comparison comes up alot lately because this game is an MMO, but theres probably half a dozen, maybe a dozen companies out there that are light years ahead of SE.
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Blizzard will continue to rule gaming as long as they continue to cater to tweenies by keeping their games easy, cute, colorful, and playable on any pc. SE will never do that. Not sure why SE would ever say otherwise.
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#16 Nov 12 2010 at 9:46 AM Rating: Good
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If it was to reach cap I would consider the idea. But the exp reduction is only for reaching lv 20. So basically, the blizzard employees are not going to be losing any sleep over this news.
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Hate them all you want but they put out games with polish that isn't matched by ANYONE in the industry.


Valve would like a few words with you...

Blizzard has launched a few games with critical faults since being swallowed by Activision (just like the popular companies swallowed by EA), the communities have been the ones to quickly fix the games weeks and even months before the developers did.

Some of the best things about WoW were provided by the community, and only months later (if ever) implimented into the game for everyone. Granted, the only thing I enjoyed about WoW was the customizable UI and the community add-ons so I could be throwing a bit of bias in.

SCII was frying equipment because of a very simple ommision in the code line, there's been lots of problems with battle.net (though it's loads better than MW:2s matchmaking ever was)... Ask the Korean gaming federation (or whatever the one that more or less took over the country with SC tournaments) what they think of SCII and it's Asia only pay to play in tourneys mode or lack of LAN.

What Blizzard has, is amazing marketing and a fantastic PR department. I truly believe they want to be a good company like they were pre-merger, but it's not going to happen while they are even loosely associated with Activision. The same goes for SE and most other companies, the money people pull the strings and even the strongest Dev has to throw their hands up in the air sometimes and release something they aren't proud of.

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#18 Nov 12 2010 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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The same goes for SE and most other companies, the money people pull the strings and even the strongest Dev has to throw their hands up in the air sometimes and release something they aren't proud of.


At least at SE they can still create the games the way they want to. Other developers aren't as fortunate, as the amazing marketing department has more and more power on the actual development. If there is even a slight chance that a change or a feature doesn't interest the largest possible demographic, they won't do it. It's a murder of creativity in exchange for more profit.
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Oh yeah, the market wards were very creative. I could go on and on, about how creative they were with FFXIV. But I'll sum it up with this, FFXIV is a step backwards for gaming.

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Someone said it a couple of posts above. I agree the problem is the inability of SE and for that matter JP gaming studios in general to make mass appeal games in the west.

This artistic style of game design is great, don't get me wrong. this game is beautiful, but it's not "real." Look at the most popular PC games in last few years.

ME2, DA, WoW, and a few others. Those are all NA companies making adult games for Americans. I mean look at the reviews that ME2 has gotten.

Lets look at the more popular PS3/XBOX games over the last year, MW2, Red Dead, ME2(xbox), and others.

JP made games are not doing well over here, because there audience that played FF1 on NES have grown up. When i was playing FF on SNES I was a child, all these grand stories of crystals and other **** was interesting to me. These days I'm more interested in killing **** having adult themed games dealing with adult issues. I'm not a child.

That is the main reason why after FFXIII I will not play or buy another JRPG, the brand they are trying to sell isn't something I want to buy anymore. The only person who still has it going is Hideo Kojima, But lets be honest, MG is in a class of its own.
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Blizzard may have been worried about FFXIV, but once they saw its state in open beta they could afford to delay Cataclysm. FFXIV will never be able to compete with them, or even have any effect.
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Blizzard has worked to create an image of being a "fun" company. Blizzard assisted the "Make Love, Not Warcraft" episode of South Park. SE really isn't competing with the big boys. They are console game company. It was really a mistake for SE to enter the MMO market. For one thing, SE is just not willing to serve their customers on a level that is required for MMO's
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#23 Nov 12 2010 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh yeah, the market wards were very creative. I could go on and on, about how creative they were with FFXIV. But I'll sum it up with this, FFXIV is a step backwards for gaming.


Overall, but not in every aspect.

They started something very important too late in the development: player testing. It should have happened sooner. That way they could have pointed their creativity to the right direction. No developer can get it right from concept alone, except if you're just copying someone else's work of course.
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