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#1 Nov 13 2010 at 3:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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----This is going to be a sort of long post. I would like to explain where I am coming from and and my thoughts on playing and leaving Final Fantasy 14. I am a 35 year old man with fiance, kids, house, truck and same full-time job for the last 18 years. So that you can put me into a box in terms of forum classifications I would be known as, what is called a "fanboi" (I am ok with that, FFXI and FFVII made me one) I can also see how I am now a "troll" (Not so okay with this, FFXIV has cornered me into this.) The purpose of this post is to try and find some direction for not only me but people that maybe like me. I would like to give some back story. I will try and be brief as I can but I have never been accused of being short winded. My original love of RPGs stems directly from a game called "Lunar: The Silver Star" on Sega CD. Years later Final Fantasy 7 grabs my attention on Playstation 2. There was other games before, between and after that I liked, however these hold the memories and hardware of the PS2 that lead me into that land of Final Fantasy 11. I suppose this also make me a "consoler" by nature. To be clear I'm a self-proclaimed "Console FFanboi" I'll explain what makes me a troll soon enough.

----The shortest way I can describe my playtime in FFXI is this: 634 days, 8 hours, 17 minutes, 22 seconds. From being killed by Leaping Lizzy to killing Absolute Virtue (credit VosDementis LS) I've done it all and there is no way i can or should put all that info in this forum. So I am going to fast forward through sub job quest, choco license, khazam keys, advanced job quests, CoP/ZM/nation missions, even past leveling 3 jobs to 75. Some where between LL and AV I met my girlfriend (now fiance). We met on Match, turns out we went to the same high school. She doesn't play FFXI. This creates a rift that some how she puts up with... Until she one day gives in and makes a character. This turns into a strong love for Dragoon and Monk and another reason for us to bond. She researches gear, looks up NM's that I/we have to hunt for her and so on. I end up powering her through a lot of the story and levels wanting her to catch up with me. This ends up leaving a feeling that we didn't play 'together' but that we played together. I can't think of a better way to word that, sorry. This part of the story ends with me playing a couple of well geared characters by myself for about a year. When we hear an announcement that we know can change all of this...

----In late 2009 we start hearing about a new mmorpg coming on PC and PS3 with the Final Fantasy title. We start planning right away with the thought of new adventures together. Early 2010 we buy two new PS3s she is checking gaming news sites and gaming forums weekly at first and daily soon enough. Until the exact release date is announced, but there is some bad news... "PC only for release" We start to scramble to craigslist the PS3s and begin to shop for PCs that can handle FFXIVs very high benchmark. Needless to say this was no easy or cheap task but we pulled it off. We were eagerly waiting the release day with our pre-paid pre-order collector's editions. Hopefully by now you get just how high our hopes were for this game and just how much we have invested in it being great. (2X $200 19" flat screen TVs + $299 4Gb PS3 + $349 8Gb PS3 + 2X $1100 PCs + 2X $75 CE FFXIVs = over $3,500 with tax) I can assure you we didn't invest that kind of money without investing emotionally into FFXIV. This is what makes me feel like I must be a fanboi.

----I'm going to fast forward here again. There is no point beating a dead horse, we all know the downfalls of the game, you can see them in virtually every other forum in here. The end result for us was that we couldn't play the game beyond our 4th week. We had finally come to a point where we could no longer force each other to log on and made the decision to delete our characters and quit. I asked her 2 biggest reasons for leaving and the answer was: gear damage feature and feeling forced to craft when she didn't want to craft at all. Mine would be: No way to buy and sell easily (No AH/Broker) and no reason to level / lack of carrot dangle (No quests and any gear at any level for any job if you will.) The bottom line is we just were not enjoying it. To further the problem for me was that taking a 4 week break from FFXI left me with no reason to return to that either. I had done what i wanted to there in my 5-6 years and had no interest in going back. We tossed ideas around until we found ourselves playing Aion and thoroughly enjoying it. We found out this will be short lived. You see, Aion is PC only which means full time mouse/keyboard controls which means it wasn't long before we are sick of leaning forward and being "on top" of the desk / PC all the times. Furthermore a big part of Aion is player verses player and the deeper you get into Aion the more predominantly the PvP. We are not big fans of PvP, just not our style. This ultimately leads me to start browsing forums on the future of FFXIV. Hence the troll title.

----I notice the post announcing the upcoming patches for November and December and early 2011. I feel excited at 1st. Then I am reminded how excited I was by SE at the mere announcement of the games existence from 2 years ago. I am reminded how great they already promised this game would be and it simply wasn't to me. Now I am hesitant at any and all promises by SE. Could anyone blame me? I seem to see a lot of 1 side of the fence or another here in the forums. I truly feel like I am on both sides. I would like to return but I still don't feel like these are the fixes that I personally needed... I don't know I'm confused. Just to be clear am I wrong in thinking there is still not going to be an AH, still gear at any level, no quests to pull me into the game under level 20 and this odd gear damage every time you do anything? I am mostly posting this looking for guidance from real people that love and play these games. Not from the people that get a paycheck from me playing this game. What I am getting as is when should I and people like me return to FFXIV?

Edited, Nov 13th 2010 4:52pm by Meleeasura

Edited, Nov 13th 2010 4:54pm by Meleeasura
#2 Nov 13 2010 at 4:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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I am in a similar situation (long time SE/FF fanboy, trying to get a MMO that his wife will enjoy playing along side him with) but i did not financially invest as you did (we have existing pc rigs capable of running this game to some extent).

That said, what i plan on doing is waiting. I canceled my sub, told my wife to not even bother installing / playing. Do not take that as an insult to the game, merely that my wife requires a bit more hand holding in these games than the normal... wait, that sounds bad considering the normal mmo player is kinda clueless anyway... she just requires some hand holding. And this game is pretty unfriendly for mmo / video game newbies (for lack of a better term, she is not really a gamer).

What i am going to do from here is watch these forums / the lodestone. See how the game developes periodically. If the issues which are impeding myself and my wife from enjoying the game get resolved then we will resub.

If not, well right now we are enjoying vindictus. its a f2p game that is loosely an mmo (sorta like phantasy star universe). Soon guildwars 2 will be out, which is agian f2p and looks to have an immersiveness in it that i would like and good gameplay that we both can enjoy.

So yeah, i would reccomend watching the ffxiv sites and see if the issues which hold YOU back get fixed. If not, there are plenty of other quality games to play, some for free. It is all about what works for you and your fiance.

Edited, Nov 13th 2010 5:10pm by KacesofCaitsith
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I think all of us frustrated with this game are in the same situation on some level. Personally I (and my bro) invested quite bit to upgrade our PC's for this game solely (even though I have a PS3, I couldn't wait). We bought the CE even though it included nothing of value, just for the head start.

Anyway, I don't expect this game to playable for another year honestly. Even after they finish fixing the technical aspects they've planned for the next few months, it'll take a while for them to fully develop the "carrot on a stick" required for most of us to justify the grind.

I'm gonna get a lot of flack for this but: try WOW in the meanwhile. It's fun and has a healthy population and dedicated (responsive) development team. A lot of people (including myself) like to hate on it for one reason or another, but it's really a solid game. I may go back just to experience cataclysm while waiting on SW:TOR to release.
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I too have been personally invested in the Final Fantasy series over the years. I remember after getting my first taste of JRPGs with Dragon Warrior on the NES, being just on the edge of my seat reading Nintendo Power waiting for the first Final Fantasy to come out. I still remember it - July of 1990. I preordered it over the phone for $75 including shipping because I didn't trust my local gamestore to have a copy. I received it the day before my family went on vacation and when my Dad had to come home for a couple days to do some work, I came with him just so I could play it. I played it all summer and my family wondered what was wrong with me. I slept, ate, and played that game every day until I beat it.

Since then, I played as many as I could get my hands on. I never was disappointed in a game until XIII which I felt was a game with great potential and gameplay but poorly executed. Perhaps because of that, I had extremely high hopes for FFXIV - that it would be the pinnacle of my FF experience over the years.

I can't tell you how supremely disappointed I was.

The game was a shell. Potential galore, but so so so so many overwhelming glaring omissions and game play bugs that I could not even believe Square Enix was responsible for it. Even the bonus items ended up being gimped compared the promises made by SE in their many announcements. Right now I'm hanging on by a thread, mainly because I can't get my $75 back and the game is still f2p. I was invited to join a crafting 'cartel' last night which sounds like a great idea, but honestly, I just feel like I would be forcing myself to enjoy playing. I WANT to enjoy it. I TRY to enjoy it. Some rare times, I DO enjoy it. But each night the disappointment washes over me anew as I try and fathom HOW someone at Square Enix looked at this game and stamped it as "Ready for Release". For someone to make that decision and take my money, is like a slap in the face. I was not sold a game, I was essentially sold the promise of a game. I have every confidence, if it lasts (and that is a true if in my opinion), that the game will soar to great heights. But what to do in the meantime? Keep playing and paying? Quit and wait? I am struggling to decide.

Edited, Nov 13th 2010 6:24pm by rikkuotaku
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#5 Nov 13 2010 at 5:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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I feel you, OP. To keep it short and simple, I will return to FFXIV if/when it's actually fun. And I acknowledge that even if they fix everything they say they will, it still might not be fun.

However, I am not setting any goals for XIV. That's where people end up biting themselves in the ***. Once you set a goal and hype yourself up to achieve it, you have nowhere to go but down. That's where a lot of the frustration stems from... even some of the most determined gamers find the game simply too excruciating, and now they've had to give up on, basically, their dreams.
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#6 Nov 13 2010 at 5:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thank you all so far.

I have a dumb question: What does "OP" stand for?

EDIT: Never mind I googled it. Original Poster.

Edited, Nov 13th 2010 6:42pm by Meleeasura
#7 Nov 13 2010 at 5:40 PM Rating: Decent
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"Original Poster," i.e., you.
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#8 Nov 13 2010 at 7:18 PM Rating: Good
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I think the best possible bet is to find something to occupy yourself until PS3 release. It seems that is when more content and features are being added. I have a feeling that the PS3 launch will be what the PC launch should have been.
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Meleeasura wrote:
I am mostly posting this looking for guidance from real people that love and play these games. Not from the people that get a paycheck from me playing this game. What I am getting as is when should I and people like me return to FFXIV?


I'd like to make a longer reply to your post but I'm about to speed to work right now so only have a minute. From what I understand, you and your fiance have high expectations for this game and will never be satisfied unless they are met.

Therefore, an option is to sell the two new PCs you bought (get some of that money back!) and wait until the PS3 release in March, all the while reading forums and keeping in touch with how people are enjoying the game after the major patches in Nov/Dec.

If by March you feel that there is enough of a good word going around about the game, grab a copy for PS3 and check it out. If you like it, grab a second copy.



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#10 Nov 13 2010 at 9:58 PM Rating: Good
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Like some of the others, if you're really torn and aren't sure if you can trust SE to come through with their promises, wait until PS3 release and hope for the best. That's what my wife is going to do. Myself, I'll play (and pay) to see for myself how all the patches go. While I value many of the ZAM communities opinions considering the game, it's still just an opinion. I'm one of those people that have to see for myself. While I wait, I'll just be farming crystals and what not so when/if my wife comes back she wont be broke right out of the gate (it makes her happy when she has gil but doesn't have to work for it <.<).

Good luck :)
#11 Nov 13 2010 at 10:09 PM Rating: Good
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For me personally, it has all been a matter of distracting myself from the games shortcomings. For instance, I went out today and duo'd with a buddy of mine for over 2 hours. We didn't die once, we pulled in 10k rank sp per hour, and had a really great time doing it. Does it make up for all of the glaring issues in the game? No, but I also know that if I'm not playing ffxiv I just don't have another game that I want to play right now. So for the time being, I'm just doing the parts of the game that I enjoy and avoiding everything else. It's rare that I step foot into a ward, and lately I've just ignored crafting altogether and I've found that I'm having a lot more fun.

I honestly believe the November update will help a lot. It has to, because if it doesn't SE is going to lose probably half of their subscribers before they even implement december changes and a lot of those players won't come back.

Do I trust SE anymore? **** no. At least I've learned that a game is what you make it. If you aren't having fun, do something else. If you still aren't having fun, I guess it's time to take your leave. If you are looking for a great way to pass the time until ffxiv improves, I'd highly reccommend lotro. The game is now F2P, has a fantastic community, and the storyline and graphics are top notch. It's lacking a bit in endgame content, but most everything else is pretty fantastic.
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#12 Nov 13 2010 at 10:57 PM Rating: Default
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Meleeasura wrote:
----This is going to be a sort of long post. I would like to explain where I am coming from and and my thoughts on playing and leaving Final Fantasy 14. I am a 35 year old man with fiance, kids, house, truck and same full-time job for the last 18 years. So that you can put me into a box in terms of forum classifications I would be known as, what is called a "fanboi" (I am ok with that, FFXI and FFVII made me one) I can also see how I am now a "troll" (Not so okay with this, FFXIV has cornered me into this.) The purpose of this post is to try and find some direction for not only me but people that maybe like me. I would like to give some back story. I will try and be brief as I can but I have never been accused of being short winded. My original love of RPGs stems directly from a game called "Lunar: The Silver Star" on Sega CD. Years later Final Fantasy 7 grabs my attention on Playstation 2. There was other games before, between and after that I liked, however these hold the memories and hardware of the PS2 that lead me into that land of Final Fantasy 11. I suppose this also make me a "consoler" by nature. To be clear I'm a self-proclaimed "Console FFanboi" I'll explain what makes me a troll soon enough.

----The shortest way I can describe my playtime in FFXI is this: 634 days, 8 hours, 17 minutes, 22 seconds. From being killed by Leaping Lizzy to killing Absolute Virtue (credit VosDementis LS) I've done it all and there is no way i can or should put all that info in this forum. So I am going to fast forward through sub job quest, choco license, khazam keys, advanced job quests, CoP/ZM/nation missions, even past leveling 3 jobs to 75. Some where between LL and AV I met my girlfriend (now fiance). We met on Match, turns out we went to the same high school. She doesn't play FFXI. This creates a rift that some how she puts up with... Until she one day gives in and makes a character. This turns into a strong love for Dragoon and Monk and another reason for us to bond. She researches gear, looks up NM's that I/we have to hunt for her and so on. I end up powering her through a lot of the story and levels wanting her to catch up with me. This ends up leaving a feeling that we didn't play 'together' but that we played together. I can't think of a better way to word that, sorry. This part of the story ends with me playing a couple of well geared characters by myself for about a year. When we hear an announcement that we know can change all of this...

----In late 2009 we start hearing about a new mmorpg coming on PC and PS3 with the Final Fantasy title. We start planning right away with the thought of new adventures together. Early 2010 we buy two new PS3s she is checking gaming news sites and gaming forums weekly at first and daily soon enough. Until the exact release date is announced, but there is some bad news... "PC only for release" We start to scramble to craigslist the PS3s and begin to shop for PCs that can handle FFXIVs very high benchmark. Needless to say this was no easy or cheap task but we pulled it off. We were eagerly waiting the release day with our pre-paid pre-order collector's editions. Hopefully by now you get just how high our hopes were for this game and just how much we have invested in it being great. (2X $200 19" flat screen TVs + $299 4Gb PS3 + $349 8Gb PS3 + 2X $1100 PCs + 2X $75 CE FFXIVs = over $3,500 with tax) I can assure you we didn't invest that kind of money without investing emotionally into FFXIV. This is what makes me feel like I must be a fanboi.

----I'm going to fast forward here again. There is no point beating a dead horse, we all know the downfalls of the game, you can see them in virtually every other forum in here. The end result for us was that we couldn't play the game beyond our 4th week. We had finally come to a point where we could no longer force each other to log on and made the decision to delete our characters and quit. I asked her 2 biggest reasons for leaving and the answer was: gear damage feature and feeling forced to craft when she didn't want to craft at all. Mine would be: No way to buy and sell easily (No AH/Broker) and no reason to level / lack of carrot dangle (No quests and any gear at any level for any job if you will.) The bottom line is we just were not enjoying it. To further the problem for me was that taking a 4 week break from FFXI left me with no reason to return to that either. I had done what i wanted to there in my 5-6 years and had no interest in going back. We tossed ideas around until we found ourselves playing Aion and thoroughly enjoying it. We found out this will be short lived. You see, Aion is PC only which means full time mouse/keyboard controls which means it wasn't long before we are sick of leaning forward and being "on top" of the desk / PC all the times. Furthermore a big part of Aion is player verses player and the deeper you get into Aion the more predominantly the PvP. We are not big fans of PvP, just not our style. This ultimately leads me to start browsing forums on the future of FFXIV. Hence the troll title.

----I notice the post announcing the upcoming patches for November and December and early 2011. I feel excited at 1st. Then I am reminded how excited I was by SE at the mere announcement of the games existence from 2 years ago. I am reminded how great they already promised this game would be and it simply wasn't to me. Now I am hesitant at any and all promises by SE. Could anyone blame me? I seem to see a lot of 1 side of the fence or another here in the forums. I truly feel like I am on both sides. I would like to return but I still don't feel like these are the fixes that I personally needed... I don't know I'm confused. Just to be clear am I wrong in thinking there is still not going to be an AH, still gear at any level, no quests to pull me into the game under level 20 and this odd gear damage every time you do anything? I am mostly posting this looking for guidance from real people that love and play these games. Not from the people that get a paycheck from me playing this game. What I am getting as is when should I and people like me return to FFXIV?

Edited, Nov 13th 2010 4:52pm by Meleeasura

Edited, Nov 13th 2010 4:54pm by Meleeasura


Good post. I recommend LOTRO. It's free to play or subscription, whichever you prefer, but you can try it for free at any rate. It's a good MMORPG, a lot of fun, good classes, good gear, good crafting, a huge world, and an amazing amount of content. It's also very solo-friendly, and parties are easy to find. If you try it and like it, and I believe you will, you can find copies of "Mines of Moria" which contain the original game, the MOM expansion, and a thirty day play card for about $10, maybe less. Subscription is only $30 for three months (if you sub for that period). All the best.
#13 Nov 14 2010 at 12:06 AM Rating: Good
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I dont plan on even looking at this game again until June. The PS3 release and fixes in between wont fix the game to the point on how it shouldve been at release to begin with. I dont mind the lack of content or the occasional bug or glitch. I do mind the horrendous gameplay and interface issues that even a 10 year can spot within minutes of playing.

There is no trust left for SE, only a 'see to believe' mindset.


I know you mentioned you didn't like PvP games however I'd suggest you take a look at Battleground:Europe .. its PvP 100% but its designed so that players run everything from the big-picture strategic decisions to the individual combat performance. Community is incredible as well.
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Well jumping over the hype-wagon you are left with 2 choices outside of not coming back.

1. You can play the game as is. It has its flaws but there is good and plenty to keep you occupied. A precious few have hit 50 with some stuff. It is very playable minus some minor annoyances. The player-base has moved past all the QQ and adapted. Just like every other game. To do this you have to ignore all the hate from this site and a few others. Easy enough to do. Also, You'll want to change your outlook. You have some things screwed up in how you think this game is. I.e. Gear at any level? Only if you like sucking bag hard. No quests? You need an ls bad. Plenty to keep you busy. The way the crafting system is everyone needs help. Those are real quests. Did you really need some npc with a ! to show you to the shaded part of the map to kill X number of Y? In short, it's a little more vague than some games but the time wasters are there. As for the annoyances a few are on the chopping block very very soon. As for repairs, they aren't an issue. Wear gear that you are the level to wear. Get your undies fixed by the vendor and keep up with at least your weapon craft. Your stuff won't break that often. My bow is all that breaks nailing myself to surplus. I can fix it in 10 seconds. Easy stuff. Also if you craft.. get a low level crafting set and take off your jewelry. No need in pummeling your main gear with craft fails. then if the vendor fixes it it's cheap at least.

2. You can wait for some obscure patch that adds content that you will be too low to do along with some minor other things to aid you in getting to that point. More story? That'd be good right! This is a game release. Some games take years to add this content you want now. So this option is a craps shoot with no timeline(except this game already gave a pretty awesome timeline). Either way when this patch comes you'll just have to decide. In this choice you will likely discover that you are behind, everyone else has millions of gil except you that just came back, and you'll have to wade through the newbie crap anyways.

There are other factors and options but basically that is what you're looking at. If you sit there and wait for them to make it easy and direct you towards fun it'll be a while. If you want to find things to do that are fun start anytime now.
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Good post. I recommend LOTRO. It's free to play or subscription, whichever you prefer, but you can try it for free at any rate. It's a good MMORPG, a lot of fun, good classes, good gear, good crafting, a huge world, and an amazing amount of content. It's also very solo-friendly, and parties are easy to find. If you try it and like it, and I believe you will, you can find copies of "Mines of Moria" which contain the original game, the MOM expansion, and a thirty day play card for about $10, maybe less. Subscription is only $30 for three months (if you sub for that period). All the best.



This game failed for 1 reason. You put the time into your character only to find at the end that there is nothing at the end. Only a few cheesy and bad encounters that suck bag. LOTRO is the stuff that potential craps out after it's morning jog. It's even bad as a F2P. ****, Even runes of magic kicks the crap out of it and it's retarded buggy.
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I find it odd ppl want content over community with mmo. To op good read. Actually ffxi is getting better they are gonna have tier 3 af for 85-99. The art of those make my jaw drop. Like the female dancer AF fits the actual AF look instead of just a rose it got feathers which is iconic for ballroom and ballet.
Just also when looking for a good mmo, content is good and all but mmo shine best with community. W/o a good community mmo are pointless. I tried Aion too great game CRAP community. Same for WoW semi ok game. crap community. (in my eyes)
And by good community i mean: players who are not elistist, help you out (not telling you to go to website X) actually converstate. amd a forum that actually helps you out if you got questions or are say looking for a guild/clan/linkshell/ legion. What my biggest turn off was some loser telling me that I can't look for a legion unless I was level 25 and know how to pvp. I left Aion not understanding how to play (community wise) Or what most was saying.
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Meleeasura wrote:
Thank you all so far.

I have a dumb question: What does "OP" stand for?

EDIT: Never mind I googled it. Original Poster.

Edited, Nov 13th 2010 6:42pm by Meleeasura




google what does tl:dr mean too =P
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This game is still in beta. Nothing about this game feels like a retail version. I still don't understand how 2 days ago, my graphics were perfect and smooth, and my mouse4 and mouse5 were working just fine. I reinstall today and now all the characters on my screen look like they have blocks/wood growing on their skin. Mouse4 and mouse5 won't work at all. Before, mouse4 was my ctrl and mouse5 was my alt using the razer software to set it that way. Now, it won't even work in the game. My friend reinstalled couple days ago and she's constantly crashing now, but wasn't crashing before. If you haven't gotten the game yet or are taking a break, don't come back until March. Seriously, just don't do it unless you want to forever have a bad taste in your mouth about this game and Square Enix. This is definitely a game that was rushed and released way too soon. It obviously did not go through all the proper steps during development. In fact, it's still in development stages.
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The game's focus is primarily on the ps3 release. The way i look at it is FFXIV doesn't start for another 4 months, but hey if you want to pay for the game and get on board with the head start why not.

The game has a lot of issues sure but most players will agree it does have potential. Also SE's reputation for developing FFXI at a good pace certainly isn't going to be lost on 14, especially considering the higher budget and bigger team. Also you can't rule out that the game just might not be for you, its drastically different to 11 but thats how all SE games are.

I thought the upcoming updates were what i was looking for, making the game a smoother experience. As far as content and depth go I think that'll come in time as well, most likely at a pace that i won't be able to keep up with anyway. So for now i'm willing to toss down 15 a month and play casually, not a big deal I have no problem leveling jobs to 20 while i wait. For a game with no current goals or refined mechanics its somewhat enjoyable to level and for a game with no polish its a lot of fun to play around with the skills pre 20.

Theirs definitely a trick to enjoying 14 in its current state though, those of us that figured it out really don't worry about the future success of the game. The brilliance of 11 is here and the developers design philosophy is much much more realistic.

#20 Nov 15 2010 at 3:43 AM Rating: Decent
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If you only want an answer when should returned, it should be at least after PS3 release. But in reality it might be never.

I did played FFXI for around 500 days in NA release while I live in EU. That's best MMORPG gaming I ever have and it's kind of evolution for MMORPG gamer. I feel SE trying do the exact same thing with new concept and play-style, here is the heavy crafting base FFXIV! SE could easily release the new game with all the usual MMORPG elements, they know it cannot getting any better than FFXI.

I am interest to know how does SE improve FFXIV in upcoming patches and yes I am still playing the game, although I downgrade the 180 days to 30 days subscription.
#21 Nov 15 2010 at 6:14 AM Rating: Good
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Nice post, OP..

I was optimistic about this game as well.. Even in the Open Beta, this game had so many problems, I just couldn't see SE fixing them before release.. However, the same was true with Starcraft 2 and Blizzard really pulled a rabbit out of the hat with the patch on release day for SC2. Towards the end of the SC2 beta, they "optimized" the networking of the game and it completely screwed over the multiplayer where the game kept freezing up and people were getting angry because even though they won, they still lost or were disconnected. The condition of SC2 get WORSE, much WORSE as the beta was about to end.

Blizzard fixed ALL the problems in SC2 with a patch on release day and I bought SC2 a week later. I gave SE the benefit of the doubt that they would do the same. A lot of people also gave SE the benefit of the doubt that they would have this game patched and perfect on release day despite the bad condition it was in when the beta ended.

I now look back at all the crushed dreams that people had of FFXIV..

"Look at the size of the DVD installation, they're definitely planning a lot of voiced content!! They just didn't put out voiced dialogs because the beta was download only and that would have been a big download"

"Of course they're going to have chocobos and airships available on launch day. SE didn't go through the effort to put Chocobos and Air ship docks into the game at those strategic locations and then not do anything with them. Having airship docks and chocobos standing around doing nothing? That'd be just too cruel."

"The game and menus are laggy because it's an Open Beta. Everybody and their family are playing this game!! Once the beta ends, only people who are willing to pay for the server time will be on the servers. And SE will buy enough severs with that money and all the menu/cursor/battle lag will be gone."

RIP FFXIV.

I bought a 40" LED LCD Samsung panel ($1200) and put it right on my desk, just for FFXIV. I also bought a $100 logitech keyboard with an LCD screen so I can see exactly the times that leves reset and such. It just gets to the point where you need to count your losses and move on. I got some component cables for my PS2 and I'll be playing Okami and perhaps some FFXII in the coming weeks. Perhaps I'll also play my way through FFX-2 again, that was a great game.. Of course, there's also SC2.
#22 Nov 15 2010 at 6:51 AM Rating: Good
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zoltanrs wrote:
To do this you have to ignore all the hate from this site and a few others.

This is one of my pet peves... WHY would you ignore criticsm/hate/etc of a game? Everytime somebody tells a gamer to lower the bar of their entertainment expectations, I die a little inside.. This should not be happening. Don't EVER ignore criticism of a game, and don't EVER play something that's not fun to play.. Doing so damages the gaming industry.. Why? Because there are a LOT of creative companies out there with very talented people putting in a LOT of work into their games and people are telling other people to look the other way and put up with crap. Encouraging gamers to have lower entertainment expectations by ignoring hate/criticism of a game is a terrible crime to the gaming industry, and it holds back progress made by companies who are in better positions to make progress.

I always read ALL the criticisms of every game that I play, and I'd think every serious gamer would do the same.



Edited, Nov 15th 2010 7:52am by Sidicas
#23 Nov 15 2010 at 7:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I am barely playing at the moment and will return fully probably in a month or two.
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