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#1 Nov 15 2010 at 3:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just got a notice from SE that the free trial is up for us CE people on November 20th.

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Thank you for using the Square Enix Account Management System.

The free trial period for the following service will soon end. Please note that after the end date, you will be billed service fees for your automatically continuous options.

End Date: 11/20/2010
Service Account Name: FINAL FANTASY XIV
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For details regarding your automatically continuous options, please refer to "List Options Continued Automatically" in the Square Enix Account Management System.

If you would like to cancel automatically continuous options, please select "Cancel" from the service account's Options List.

Once paid, service fees cannot be refunded.



So I canceled. I just wonder what the fallout from this email will be. Does anyone else think this email will incite a mass cancellation?
#2 Nov 15 2010 at 3:24 AM Rating: Good
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I'm cancelling even though I planned on playing long-term despite the flaws. I ran into some critical problems that made the decision for me. Reinstalled the game on a new hard drive and now it's absolutely broken. Graphics are all jacked up and mouse won't work properly.
#3 Nov 15 2010 at 4:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Got the message too (in japanese, Im glad 1 of you guys is confirming its indeed that ^^)
Applied for 3 months at release, still going with those 3 months now.

Would love to see the serveur pop on 21st though, may be ugly...
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Just cancelled mine too... I feel guilty/upset. Hopefully I'll have a good reason to reactivate soon.
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#5 Nov 15 2010 at 4:27 AM Rating: Good
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I'm staying. Those who want to quit will quit anyway regardless of the email. Those who want to stay will subscribe, nothing new here.
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Chnmmr wrote:
I'm staying. Those who want to quit will quit anyway regardless of the email. Those who want to stay will subscribe, nothing new here.


Pretty much this. Seems many have made their minds up already on staying or leaving. I guess this email may force the hand of some who were undecided. Doesn't give those who started on day 1 much time to see any new changes before making a decision.
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TwistedOwl wrote:
Chnmmr wrote:
I'm staying. Those who want to quit will quit anyway regardless of the email. Those who want to stay will subscribe, nothing new here.


Pretty much this. Seems many have made their minds up already on staying or leaving. I guess this email may force the hand of some who were undecided. Doesn't give those who started on day 1 much time to see any new changes before making a decision.


And that will likely be their reason for canceling with that e-mail.
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Zorvan wrote:
TwistedOwl wrote:
Chnmmr wrote:
I'm staying. Those who want to quit will quit anyway regardless of the email. Those who want to stay will subscribe, nothing new here.


Pretty much this. Seems many have made their minds up already on staying or leaving. I guess this email may force the hand of some who were undecided. Doesn't give those who started on day 1 much time to see any new changes before making a decision.


And that will likely be their reason for canceling with that e-mail.


Isn't that what I said?
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TwistedOwl wrote:
Zorvan wrote:
TwistedOwl wrote:
Chnmmr wrote:
I'm staying. Those who want to quit will quit anyway regardless of the email. Those who want to stay will subscribe, nothing new here.


Pretty much this. Seems many have made their minds up already on staying or leaving. I guess this email may force the hand of some who were undecided. Doesn't give those who started on day 1 much time to see any new changes before making a decision.


And that will likely be their reason for canceling with that e-mail.


Isn't that what I said?


Probably. It's 3a.m. where I'm at. Not firing on all cylinders right now.:p
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Zorvan wrote:
TwistedOwl wrote:
Zorvan wrote:
TwistedOwl wrote:
Chnmmr wrote:
I'm staying. Those who want to quit will quit anyway regardless of the email. Those who want to stay will subscribe, nothing new here.


Pretty much this. Seems many have made their minds up already on staying or leaving. I guess this email may force the hand of some who were undecided. Doesn't give those who started on day 1 much time to see any new changes before making a decision.


And that will likely be their reason for canceling with that e-mail.


Isn't that what I said?


Probably. It's 3a.m. where I'm at. Not firing on all cylinders right now.:p


LOL, fair enough, 5 a.m. here and ya had me double-checking my post. No big deal...

Edited, Nov 15th 2010 6:26am by TwistedOwl
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Got the email, realised my credit card expired and so went in to renew to my new card.

About 30 minutes later after fighting my way through click and buy and SE's account management system, hopefully I have updated my credit card, though I am not 100% sure.

Assuming I have managed this amazing feat requiring a masters degree in online form interpretation - I will be rusubbing and looking forward to the changes heading our way over the next couple of updates.

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#12 Nov 15 2010 at 5:38 AM Rating: Good
I haven't received that email just yet, probably because I started a few days later due to delays getting my CEs...

Either way, I'm going to stay on, since I've invested so much time into creating and caring for my character, and the fact that I'm in a very active Linkshell.
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#13 Nov 15 2010 at 5:50 AM Rating: Good
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I had already planned to stay long in advance. We should get a poll going, I'm curious as to see what the fall out will be once everyone gets wind of this notice.
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LordBalrog wrote:
I had already planned to stay long in advance. We should get a poll going, I'm curious as to see what the fall out will be once everyone gets wind of this notice.


There is actually one already on the main page:

http://ffxiv.zam.com/
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#16 Nov 15 2010 at 7:31 AM Rating: Good
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Everyone - just a tip because they almost caught me on this one (although I already closed down clickbuy) - you can't just cancel the content ID like in XI. I canceled my character back in October thinking that it was all that I needed to do. Well, I got this letter the same as everyone else and I was thinking "wait, I took care of this didn't I?"

Well, I guess we have to cancel the service account as well or we get charged the 9.99 for no reason at all. Rather clever way to do it this time around, but still bloody shady.

So for those who are canceling, make sure you cancel the character options and the service account.

Really, they couldn't possibly have found a better\easier way to get paid? This is beyond belief.
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Everyone - just a tip because they almost caught me on this one (although I already closed down clickbuy) - you can't just cancel the content ID like in XI. I canceled my character back in October thinking that it was all that I needed to do. Well, I got this letter the same as everyone else and I was thinking "wait, I took care of this didn't I?"

Well, I guess we have to cancel the service account as well or we get charged the 9.99 for no reason at all. Rather clever way to do it this time around, but still bloody shady.

So for those who are canceling, make sure you cancel the character options and the service account.

Really, they couldn't possibly have found a better\easier way to get paid? This is beyond belief.


So, on your account you have two charges, one for 9 and another for 1 dolar/euro/pound.

You decide to cancel the 1 and leave the 9 and then SE is being shady?
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#18 Nov 15 2010 at 7:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the heads-up there! My service account was still active when I thought I'd cancelled everything.
#19 Nov 15 2010 at 7:51 AM Rating: Good
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OP: This will incite me and 5 of my close friends to cancel our accounts in the next 5 days. So yes I think the free-trial ending will result in massive amounts of accounts being deactivated. I'd cry APB if SE was a smaller studio.

Thank you Torrence! I agree with it being a bit shady. You go to automatic payments and you cancel that but if you don't cancel the service it seems like they still charge you. This may be the last SE product I will ever purchase. Sadly I got suckered out of $80. DemiGod this year too. $120 swindled by ethically challenged game companies that ruined their brand for a quick buck? Never again... 1) Download Demo 2) Don't buy if demo/beta sucks 3) ??? 4) Don't lose money.

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#20 Nov 15 2010 at 8:57 AM Rating: Good
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Where you guys are ******** up is putting in credit card details in the first place (especially with click and buy). I chose the crysta option, which requires no actual crysta be bought to use. So now that my account's canceled, even if they try to bill me, the only thing they can charge is the crysta I never bought in the first place.
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Yes I'm cancelling. And yes that email made up my mind.

You see, the thing is they aren't extending the free trial even beyond their so-called significant Nov/Dec updates. I've already paid $70 (plus a massive computer upgrade) to try out this game. I'm not about to start paying monthly to continue to try it out each time they make it a little better. I mean, how many updates will it take to truly transform this game into something that is addicting to play? It will take a lot for me.

I looked forward to this game for so long that this massive flop has been a bit depressing. However, I've had since late summer to get over it and now I am enjoying other games. Even if it "gets better" I will have tough decisions to make since I wouldn't feel like I was playing from release anymore.

I'm still just baffled at how they screwed up on so many features that already worked so well in FFXI. I don't get it... but that's old news.

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Torrence wrote:
Everyone - just a tip because they almost caught me on this one (although I already closed down clickbuy) - you can't just cancel the content ID like in XI. I canceled my character back in October thinking that it was all that I needed to do. Well, I got this letter the same as everyone else and I was thinking "wait, I took care of this didn't I?"

Well, I guess we have to cancel the service account as well or we get charged the 9.99 for no reason at all. Rather clever way to do it this time around, but still bloody shady.

So for those who are canceling, make sure you cancel the character options and the service account.

Really, they couldn't possibly have found a better\easier way to get paid? This is beyond belief.


I doubt that was the reason they did it that way. I also don't think it's all that confusing. You have your $9.99 basic subscription charge, plus $1 for additional retainers and $3 for additional characters. How do they know if you just want to get rid of a character/retainer or if you want to cancel your entire account? Don't make your mistake out to look like SE is trying to scam you.
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Zorvan wrote:
Where you guys are ******** up is putting in credit card details in the first place (especially with click and buy). I chose the crysta option, which requires no actual crysta be bought to use. So now that my account's canceled, even if they try to bill me, the only thing they can charge is the crysta I never bought in the first place.

I wasn't sure about the crysta stuff and didn't want to be stuck with stuff that I might not use. I didn't receive that email as far as I can remember so I think my cancellation went through.. maybe.. I hope.
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I'm gonna take a guess and say we're probably gonna be getting a big patch by the end of this week. Would SE really be that dumb to allow the trial to expire before they fix many of the current issues?

Personally, I think canceling before the 20th and before the date of the first big patch is announced is a bit premature.
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#25 Nov 15 2010 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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Zorvan wrote:
Where you guys are ******** up is putting in credit card details in the first place (especially with click and buy). I chose the crysta option, which requires no actual crysta be bought to use. So now that my account's canceled, even if they try to bill me, the only thing they can charge is the crysta I never bought in the first place.


This is what I did too, and I'm glad. Click and Buy just sounds horrible, why couldn't they just use PayPal?
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I'm gonna take a guess and say we're probably gonna be getting a big patch by the end of this week. Would SE really be that dumb to allow the trial to expire before they fix many of the current issues?

Personally, I think canceling before the 20th and before the date of the first big patch is announced is a bit premature.


even so, we already know what most of what the patch will be, they already released what they were doing on the loadstone. possibly someone could provide a link for you, because i don't have it.

so using those patch notes, i'm sure many people have already decided what they wanted to do: either cancel before free trial ends, or see what the patch brings and pay 12.99
#27 Nov 15 2010 at 9:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have a feeling that is actually SE's way of determining if they should extend the free trial period another month or not. If enough people get this email and cancel their account SE might reconsider.

As a few others have said, this will CE owners a very limited opportunity to try out the new update to see if SE could deliver on it's promises. I just checked on lodestone and there is still no concrete date announced for the update. With only 5 days left, even if they released the update tonight, I'd barely have any time to check it out between work and other personal responsibilities. Maybe if the update had come out last week and I was impressed by SE's efforts to get this game back on track I'd be singing a different tune and opening my wallet.
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Zorvan wrote:
Where you guys are ******** up is putting in credit card details in the first place (especially with click and buy). I chose the crysta option, which requires no actual crysta be bought to use. So now that my account's canceled, even if they try to bill me, the only thing they can charge is the crysta I never bought in the first place.


I think where everyone screwed up was buying the game in the first place...
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I got this email this morning as well. Neither this nor the patch notes change anything for me. I was never planning to cancel. I will continue to be interested in seeing if the update makes it in before this though. When it didn't happen last week, I decided it probably wouldn't happen until as close to November 30 as possible, so I'll be interested to see what tonight's maintenance brings or doesn't bring.
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They can post patchnotes like 10 a day... i don't care about it until i actually SEE the game improved. They wanted to fix stuff alot in the past and the patches ended up doing.... nothing.

So if the charge money before they show up some significant changes (and i do not mean patchnotes. Because patchnotes do NOT make us happy!) they won't have me to see it. But i guess SE couldn't care less for one more person to quit... since the game working as intended and everything is fine. Great success!
#31 Nov 15 2010 at 10:24 AM Rating: Good
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So, on your account you have two charges, one for 9 and another for 1 dolar/euro/pound.

You decide to cancel the 1 and leave the 9 and then SE is being shady?
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I doubt that was the reason they did it that way. I also don't think it's all that confusing. You have your $9.99 basic subscription charge, plus $1 for additional retainers and $3 for additional characters. How do they know if you just want to get rid of a character/retainer or if you want to cancel your entire account? Don't make your mistake out to look like SE is trying to scam you.



I guess neither of you played FFXI. If you had, you would know that in that game the 12.99 is tied to your first ContentID. You cannot close your POL account to close the charge, you have to cancel that ContentID specifically. The POL account itself costs nothing, but to play the game you have to have at least one ContentID active.

With this game, it seems that they did it differently and unfortunately it's more confusing. There is a 9.99 charge for the service account with nothing on it, and then the "ContentIDs" are either 3$ and 1$ depending on the character type. Now I don't know what planet you guys are living on, but this model doesn't more sense than the first ContentID model does (and even that one compared to the ease and simplicity of some other games is questionable), and I posted to make sure that others didn't have the same confusion that I did. Sorry for trying to be helpful.

If you really think that 9.99 for absolutely nothing but the privilege of looking at an empty account somehow makes more sense than a single 12.99 charge for your account with the default of 1 character (ContentID), then I just don't know what to tell you. That just baffles me.



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I just canceled, even though I am a SE buyer and have some time left. I simply haven't bothered to play the game, these past few weeks. Cataclysm is looking ever brighter to me, so I guess I will return to my roots, until either the next big thing comes out, or Square-Enix fixes this game and adds the content that it should have by now.

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FFXIV is a fun game, and at this crucial stage it needs our support to become even better. Once the bugs are dealt with and the UI overhauled, this game can show off its true colours as a competitor to the big name MMOs. World of Warcraft's days are numbered.
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I'm in for the long haul. FFXIV is SE's latest baby, and I want to see their little girl grow up. SE might have had a bit of a history with poor FFXI updates, but none of them changed the fact that it's an amazing MMO and has some of the best stories of any online game I've played. I don't regret any of the time I spent playing it, even if they never did give me a pink chocobo!

FFXIV is a fun game, and at this crucial stage it needs our support to become even better. Once the bugs are dealt with and the UI overhauled, this game can show off its true colours as a competitor to the big name MMOs. World of Warcraft's days are numbered.


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Just echoing a lot of what has already been said.

When I canceled a few weeks ago I made sure to basically cancel everything that could be canceled. I don't think SE is trying to be shady, I just think they don't have a clue as to how to run an efficient/transparent payment system.

In the suggestions forum I suggested they take a well needed copy from Blizzard's playbook and include things like suggestions when canceling. But seriously and more generally is it that difficult to have one button that says cancel your account ---> click to cancel ---> you're finished ---> please visit us again, rather then have to cancel individual services and other junk through an antiquated menu?

SE (somehow still) needs to learn that a good business is multifaceted; it does the seemingly little things (like account handling) well. If people have a hard time signing up or canceling your product, then why even waste your time on the product in the first place?

In any case I'm going to see how these next few patches go and may re-sub by January. If not, then maybe March...maybe.
#36 Nov 15 2010 at 11:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't think there's anything "shady" about the cancellation options. I think it's just typical bad SE customer options ala FFXI. If you played that, it was just as hellish.

Anywho, I cancelled but I remain optimistic about the changes. I see lots of good things coming and lots of things I'm sure they cannot finish before January ends. I'm just not sure what order of priority they've got the things I care about in so I'm gonna sit it out for a bit.

I've been around the block with a few mmos and they do this a ton. They tell you to keep subbing cause they're gonna do all thse new things, but when it comes down to it, little is done in a timely fashion. Meanwhile people still log in to complain that they are paying for unfinished stuff. This falls on company deaf ears because in the end.. YOU ARE STILL PAYING lol. They just tell you they hear you as long as that payment comes in.

So... you people playing laboratory rats and paid beta testers, please keep the rest of us informed as to what's been changed. Don't just log in with the general "yay, its better!" posts. Be specific.

The key to saving FFXIV is NOT the die hards; they will sub until the game folds like in any MMO. The key to saving this game is people like me, who MIGHT come back if we hear good things. That is the majority of ppl leaving right now; ppl who MIGHT come back if things are better.
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So, on your account you have two charges, one for 9 and another for 1 dolar/euro/pound.
You decide to cancel the 1 and leave the 9 and then SE is being shady?

Shady perhaps isn't the right word, but the system is designed to charge you for an account that is configured so that it's impossible to play. Does that $9/month on its own get you anything at all?

It's not an unreasonable system, but it's a little unintuitive, and it's the opposite of how FFXI did things. I'm sure there will be plenty of people paying $9 by accident for the month after they quit.
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"Personally, I think canceling before the 20th and before the date of the first big patch is announced is a bit premature."

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If they had stated UPFRONT, "You will be getting charged a monthly fee now. The new content patch will be released BEFORE you get charged." that would be one thing.

They said no such thing. So if you rage quit after they charge and there is no update you like, that's your own fault. They didn't promise you anything.

But the way it is now, it's pretty naive to assume like you do that they will put the patch in place BEFORE they charge you. Why would they do that in case you don't like the patch change and then decide not to renew when they charge you?

Anyone sticking around and paying 'just in case the patch comes before they get the bill" is quite naive.

It's called put up or shut up to SE. Show me the patch, and THEN I'll consider paying. Not "you charge me, then if I don't like the patch I'll quit".

Thats just retarded and out $15 bucks for no reason at all. Especially after playing through bad betas and getting lied to thus far about the game being ready for launch.

I think paying for something sight unseen after a previous bad encounter is pretty nutso.

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In a game which forces you to confirm 6 times just to log out, why would anyone be surprised canceling your sub is overly complicated?

Didn't you guys kind of realize what you were dealing with when you created your account? That process alone was enough to make some people not even bother with the game.
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I'm gonna take a guess and say we're probably gonna be getting a big patch by the end of this week. Would SE really be that dumb to allow the trial to expire before they fix many of the current issues?

I can see it either way. They may want to get it out before the CE people's time is up or may want to wait until soon after the CE people's time is up in hopes of getting some people with the "light at the end of the tunnel" so people may go ahead and continue subbed for an additional month.
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In a game which forces you to confirm 6 times just to log out, why would anyone be surprised canceling your sub is overly complicated?

Didn't you guys kind of realize what you were dealing with when you created your account? That process alone was enough to make some people not even bother with the game.

And that's one of the reasons why I tried to cancel well in advance.
#41 Nov 15 2010 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
I am beyond baffled that they're not extending the free trial. Extend the CE people to the 21st of December, get your major updates out by then, and hopefully get us on for the long haul. Now, most people will cancel, wait for the 2 updates to come, and possibly read up on if they were good. Some people might just give up entirely and not even bother coming back to read up on this stuff. I think they're going to lose more people doing it this way in the long run, but, maybe they've simply given up on PC users and are banking on the ps3 population.

I mean, if you want to make your case, simply cancel, and if you like what you read, re-activate it. At least that way, they get the initial blow of everyone canceling and receive the message loud and clear that crap won't be tolerated.
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Now, most people will cancel, wait for the 2 updates to come, and possibly read up on if they were good. Some people might just give up entirely and not even bother coming back to read up on this stuff.


I'm actually going to wait until the gaming sites start to release new reviews. Frankly, those who are going to stay and fund SE's development over the next couple of months are probably those that are most forgiving of the game's current shortcomings and might not have "as objective" an opinion as I would like.

On another note - I concede that "shady" might not have been the right word, but the whole system really needs to be simplified. Maybe they are trying to avoid lawsuits or something, but I don't see how complicating the system is really going to help in that regard.
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I am staying, in it for the Long haul for 6 Months. I think Square Enix is getting their act together and the game will turn out better. Once we can all see past and the UI and other major problems are fix we can all start enjoying the game for the long term.
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I'm going to stay for a while and see how things pan out. It would be fickle for me to give up on a game I've been looking forward to for a year and a half after only one month's payment, especially when they stated that there is change coming.

Granted, I still only play the game once a week or so. I'll be spending my time with single player RPGs and Donkey Kong Country Returns while the game is improving. Now some of you may be asking why I would "waste" the money if I'm hardly playing. Given the timing of the update which would most likely take place between the November and December payments, I won't have to reactivate the accounts, less work for me.



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I've got three months keyed in.... still thinking about extending that to six months. I can't stop playing the game... lol - been very addicting lately (THM is fun!) especially as more and more people are partying and joining when I use party search. I ranked up THM waaaaay faster than I ranked up CON - it is nice that earning ranks seems to have gotten faster as people figure out what works for parties.
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I am confused.

Your telling me that you would rather save 12 dollars then spend the 12 dollars and see if the patches make a difference or are you asking for another 30 days free on top of the previous 60 days free you have already been given to use it as a preview for the up and coming patches for Nov/Dec at which point when it comes around to Dec updates, you will try pull this stunt again for another 30 days free claiming it's not fair?

After spending all this time backing this product over the years during development, the very least you can do is just give them 12 dollars and see if the updates please you or pull the product around into your expectations and start to show strong signs of future success. If it doesn't, unsubscribe. What have you lost? 12 bux, big deal, it is still the cheapest form of entertainment you can get on the face of the planet and if it turns out great, you will thank yourself for sticking around. I'd be willing to bet that those who say they are quitting now and never coming back will come back in a few weeks after the patches, I'd go one further and say that those who quit now, will return when it is released on PS3 and they sell millions upon millions of copies and there is copius amounts of people to play with on such a scale that getting groups will simply not be an issue.

Imho, and I am going to be harsh here, if this is what the *so-called* FF fans have to offer, I am glad you guys are unsubbing now and hope you never come back. Fans tend to stick by thier products through thick and thin. The game hasn't even been out for 2 months and most of the *so-called* fans seemed to have bailed out within the first month. What kind of fans are you? Imagine how many dollars people waste in real life on sports teams that go through severe losing streaks for years on end, some even decades, yet they still stick by them through think, thin, rain, hail or shine. Some people go as far as to buy life time tickets and guess what, they can't get thier money back, all they can do is sell them off. (I am sure there is some bs clause people can spin to get thier money back on life time tickets, but I know alot are not refundable)

Most of the people who have bailed aren't true fans, your nothing more then disgruntled customers, period. Stop throwing the word *fan* around as if you have been playing this series since NES days back in 1980's, because I am one of those sick-a-fans and I take strong offence being thrown into the same catergory as the *so-called* fans and I am going to pay 12 bux to see what the patches bring.

Just being honest.

Edited, Nov 15th 2010 2:19pm by Taemek
#47 Nov 15 2010 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
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For people wondering why they are charging NOW before they've actually fixed the things they said they would, and NOT extending the Free Trial:

I offer Exhibit A...

World of Warcraft Cataclysm.



If they get $13 from someone now, that's $13 less someone may have wanted to spend on Cataclysm.

Name of the game is beat your competition to market first, and you usually get their customer's money.

(In before "I wasn't playing WoW anyways") because someone else always goes back to WoW eventually.
#48 Nov 15 2010 at 1:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Taemek wrote:
I am confused.

Your telling me that you would rather save 12 dollars then spend the 12 dollars and see if the patches make a difference or are you asking for another 30 days free on top of the previous 60 days free you have already been given to use it as a preview for the up and coming patches for Nov/Dec at which point when it comes around to Dec updates, you will try pull this stunt again for another 30 days free claiming it's not fair?


Just being honest.

Really, there's no downside at all to unsubbing before they charge you.

There's always gonna be fanboys like you who will pay and later say "Hey, they fixed this!" or "BOO! They didn't fix this!" and we will read that on the forum.


If they fixed it, good. We'll come back.


If they didnt', we'll laugh at raging posts like yours above claiming "loyalty".


Just make sure to tell us how good things go, mmkay? Then we'll come back.

But saavy customers don't pay for unfinished things.. especially twice.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Edit: Btw; in case you haven't figured it out yet. You are not a fan to SE.

They don't know or care you played since NES days, lol.

You are a customer.

Edited, Nov 15th 2010 2:16pm by sadderpanda
#49 Nov 15 2010 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent
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sadderpanda wrote:
For people wondering why they are charging NOW before they've actually fixed the things they said they would, and NOT extending the Free Trial:

I offer Exhibit A...

World of Warcraft Cataclysm.



If they get $13 from someone now, that's $13 less someone may have wanted to spend on Cataclysm.

Name of the game is beat your competition to market first, and you usually get their customer's money.

(In before "I wasn't playing WoW anyways") because someone else always goes back to WoW eventually.


I give you 2 possible sceanrios that could play out here using this example:

Sceanrio 1.
The people who leave this to goto Cataclysm will be back at/if not sooner, by March next year at which point this game will have a flood of players injected into it by the PS3 version.


Sceanrio 2.
The people who stay and enjoy this atmosphere of not being overwhelmed by large amounts of players lingering around cities and Camp hubs, will leave once the people leave Cataclysm to come back here after giving it 4-5 months to mature.

I am of course assuming that the PS3 version will be linked in with this game online? I have not looked into the PS3 title, I wouldn't know tbh if it does or not.

Edited, Nov 15th 2010 2:22pm by Taemek
#50 Nov 15 2010 at 1:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Does anyone else think this email will incite a mass cancellation?


I can't see why this Email really changes anything. CE users signed up two months ago. We were given two months of free game play. The two months is now almost up. Seems straightforward enough to me?
#51Taemek, Posted: Nov 15 2010 at 1:17 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) There is no such thing as a finished product. Everything in life gets improved upon over time and upgraded, everything. It is but a mere figment of your imagination.
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