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#1 Nov 15 2010 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I will admit that I am still enjoying FFXIV right now, but one of my friends that was playing quit and went back to WoW in anticipation to the new patch comming out. A few days ago, he sent me some screenshots of the beta and I was amazed how "aged" the graphics seem.

I know that WoW has great gameplay and the story is good, but the GRAPHICS OMG!!! I just couldn't go back and play that.....

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#2 Nov 15 2010 at 1:34 PM Rating: Default
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you trolling right?

Wow graphics are awesome. and they work efficiently unlike how this games graphics bog the game down to **** even on the best computers.
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#3 Nov 15 2010 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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Best game i have ever played is Deus Ex, a 10 year old game that had arguably bad graphics even for it´s time.
Last time i played it was yesterday, and i enjoyed it, there is more to a good game than graphics, and this game has nothing going for it other than graphics at this point, and frankly, i´d rather go play WoW than FF XIV atm, but as it stands, i´ll play neither until either SE fixes quite a lot of things in FF XIV, or Cataclysm comes out.
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yeh man , are you jking? WoW = best mmo to date.

gb2 ffxiv!!!!!!!!!
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I guess that's why with Cataclysm the overhauled the rendering engines and updated to Dx11.
However, even with its outdated graphics it has always had more subs than even XI. I guess good looks aren't everything.
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I'm playing it with DirectX 11 (there's a flag to the launcher to use DX11) and I think it looks fantastic. The water effects are beautiful, especially watching the sun set on the coast in Westfall. The WoW environments are very well done.

FFXIV definitely does characters better, but if we get down to it Aion's characters are considerably better (and more customizable).
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I don't mind WoWs graphics, but after playing FFXIV, I did get accustomed to its graphics, motion captured characters and physics.

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DjinnRB wrote:
you trolling right?

Wow graphics are awesome. and they work efficiently unlike how this games graphics bog the game down to **** even on the best computers.


They may "work efficiently" but they are nowhere near awesome tbh, and to be even more honest, WoW's graphics were outdated the day the game was released...it was a design choice and it obviously didn't hurt the game (although I personally hate it, I'm not going to pretend 14 million other subs are faking their enjoyment).
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I know that WoW has great gameplay and the story is good


If by "Good" you mean "Non-existant" then yes, the story is great.
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I will admit that I am still enjoying FFXIV right now, but one of my friends that was playing quit and went back to WoW in anticipation to the new patch comming out. A few days ago, he sent me some screenshots of the beta and I was amazed how "aged" the graphics seem.

I know that WoW has great gameplay and the story is good, but the GRAPHICS OMG!!! I just couldn't go back and play that.....




There's no doubt WoW's graphics are showing their age. Part of it is that Blizzard steadfastly insists that wow be able to be run on 5 year old bargin basement computers. This makes sense to a degree, it widens the number of people who can potentially play their game. They have made attempts to pretty up, addin new lighting effects, new water detail, better sky boxes and higher res armor texture. But it's still only able to do so much, the player models in particular are pretty awful. The races that shipped with vanilla WoW at launch are laughably bad looking, and the newer high res armor looks odd when you see their faces.

But of course to off set all of this wow has a huge playerbase, extremely well made UI, loads of content.. If it weren't for me being tired of the WoW formula (and royal distaste for Bobby Kotick), I'd be playing it along with XIV.


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If by "Good" you mean "Non-existant" then yes, the story is great.


WoW does have a story line, though it's mostly generic fantasy fair with cliche's a plenty and fairly flimsy characters.. That said though there are some individual quest lines that are very well written.

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DomfranciscoOfIfrit wrote:
tmproff wrote:
I know that WoW has great gameplay and the story is good


If by "Good" you mean "Non-existant" then yes, the story is great.


What the **** are you talking about?
#12 Nov 15 2010 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
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I think wow has very good graphics for an MMO, but I think it has an art style that turns some people off.
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I really think that folks just don't bother to read things in the game. My favorite story is from WoTLK but it was actually the Malygos storyline - his descent into madness, the red dragons plotting and carrying out the murder of his girlfriend Saragosa (which I never agreed with) his capture of Keristraza and her eventual madness resulting from constant torture and abuse (well we did start it, hitting below the belt in the first place), the red dragonflight turning to you for help to release her from the pain (read: go kill her).

The whole thing just broke my heart and well, it was just top of the line storytelling. It really was and you can argue many things about WoW, but one thing it certainly isn't lacking is storytelling. Every dungeon and dungeon boss has a backstory - it's not race to 80 and then just queue up unless that's what you make it.

And if that's what you make it, that's not the game's fault.
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DomfranciscoOfIfrit wrote:
tmproff wrote:
I know that WoW has great gameplay and the story is good


If by "Good" you mean "Non-existant" then yes, the story is great.

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Several RL books, and three previous games beg to disagree with you. I can't say the storyline is amazing, but it is certainly not "non-existant."

Just thought I'd throw in my two cents here. Several months ago I came to these boards looking for information on FFXIV. The thing that people were most able to say (keep in mind this was back in closed beta times) was that the game was gorgeous. It still is. Even with WoW's reworked graphics, it doesn't hold a candle to FFXIV. Heck, I just started playing Aion (to review it for the site) and even Aion outshines the new enhanced WoW graphics. I played FFXIII for 20 hours over a weekend at my friend's house, and I was blown away by the graphics. Say what you want about SE, they know graphics, and for FFXIV, they look beautiful.

That said, the best games I have played in the past few years?
1. Portal
2. Minecraft

Both of those games completely lack good graphics, but were without a doubt some of the best games I have ever gotten to fool around with.

I enjoy breath-taking graphics because I just stop and stare for a bit. But in the best games I have played, I prefer functional over flashy every single day of the week when it comes to looks.
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WoW's graphics were definitely dated the day the game was released, and I've never liked the art direction above all else... even a game with good graphical "specs" can be ugly. For me, the inability to make a character that's aesthetically pleasing is a bit of a deal-breaker.

But generally, technical specs mean nothing to me so long as the art direction isn't too abrasive.
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I think the best 3 MMO titles I've played were the ones without flashy graphics, they did the job well but they weren't silly high end graphics like on this one. I'm infinately happier on FFXI and indeed wow when I play that for a change than looking at FFXIV, the games feel better even if it didn't quite look as flashy.

People like OP I think are in a very small minority, unless you actually do enjoy the flashy game going back to an overall better experience is far more worthwhile, even if it does look a bit more clunkey.
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#17 Nov 15 2010 at 3:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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. Say what you want about SE, they know graphics, and for FFXIV, they look beautiful.


I don't think that anyone has ever argued that SE is behind the times when it comes to visually stunning games. However, it does get a bit tiresome that this is the main argument when folks do a WoW vs FF(XI) comparison. The number one go-to complaint is WoW's graphics are cartoony and FF is superior (this thread is case in point). I agree on some levels - but it's a little ridiculous to sit here and pat ourselves on the back for selecting a game whose only current saving grace is how visually stunning it is.

I'm firmly in the camp that Content is King. I can appreciate beauty like anyone else, but that beauty needs to be reflected within as well as without.
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I play "Wow" and yeah the graphics aren't up to par with the time's, but they get the job done.

On the other hand, all FFXIV has is that "Graphics", there is nothing else going for the game right now, no content, no monster to showcase it's Graphic superiority or anything like that, and seriously it dosent look that much different than FFXII and that was a ps2 game <.<
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I've always liked Warcraft's graphics but I just love pretty colors (I'm a girl, I have no machismo to protect). The style of the game is just fine for me, although I do find myself with a bit of snobby attitude about graphics in general now. Having played City of Heroes with the new ultra options, Aion and FFXIV, I've just gotten really used to full on collision physics, hair that blows in the wind and massive polygon counts.

Yet the game I've found the most fun lately is Perfect World, a F2P MMO with no shame when it comes to making a psychedelic mushroom of a world, and I remember being seriously impressed with the stylized graphics in Allods. I don't think in this day and age that graphics that are "all that" are what grabs people anymore - it's going to be the gameplay and/or storyline. After the first hour, you don't even notice them anymore - at least until you hit a new zone, and then its an ooooooh moment.
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and seriously it dosent look that much different than FFXII and that was a ps2 game


FFXII was nice, but how long has it been since you played it? I just finished it and although it was nice, it isn't even close to FFXIV....you weren't even able to see armor change in FFXII.
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How do you compare the WoW weather engine to the FFXIV one? If you sit outside of limsa on a cliff and watch a storm come in, it'll take your breath away.
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How do you compare the WoW weather engine to the FFXIV one? If you sit outside of limsa on a cliff and watch a storm come in, it'll take your breath away.


Well honestly, you are trying to compare apples to oranges. This whole thread just seems to me to be more of a thinly veiled bash attempt at WoW. If you want to compare graphics, at least make an attempt to compare FFXIV to something more recent and in the same class - such as Vindictus or even Aion.

I mean, you are setting XIV up to win with that statement - sure it beats WoW graphically. I'd expect that any game developed within the last few years does.
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So... it's wrong and trolling to compare FFXIV to WoW to say FFXIV it's better on something... but the hundred of posts comparing WoW to FFXIV to say WoW it's better are right...? The OP is making a good point by comparing it with what some think is the "standard" under MMO's. So WoW has crappy graphics compared to FFXIV. Agreed
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WoW had bad graphics even for it's time, but then every MMO does because the system cant keep up otherwise. Why have a computer struggle to render 50k tris per model when there could be 30 people within earshot of you to render too. Having said that, the artist appeal of WoW kinda... wasnt appealing. Admittedly I havnt touched the game for about 4 years but I dont remember the texture quality being great, and that IS comparable to FFXI or FFXIV
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How do you compare the WoW weather engine to the FFXIV one? If you sit outside of limsa on a cliff and watch a storm come in, it'll take your breath away.


Well honestly, you are trying to compare apples to oranges. This whole thread just seems to me to be more of a thinly veiled bash attempt at WoW. If you want to compare graphics, at least make an attempt to compare FFXIV to something more recent and in the same class - such as Vindictus or even Aion.

I mean, you are setting XIV up to win with that statement - sure it beats WoW graphically. I'd expect that any game developed within the last few years does.

This isn't a question you can answer anyway. I think that any Final Fantasy game after IX can run circles around WoW, but that's entirely personal preference. Art direction has more to do with what people consider "good graphics" than the actual quality of the graphics.

I just took a look at some of the WoW dx11 videos on youtube (not being much of a WoW player myself) and it looks like they did quite a few things very well graphically speaking. The terrain looks good, it has high texture density but relatively low poly count. The liquid physics looks good on the surface - it has great object interaction - but it's all reflection and no diffusion, which gives it a two dimensional feel.

The graphics are all technically good, I just don't like the visual appeal. You can't objectively compare two game's graphics, there will always be people who will swear by both sides.
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Wow just got a graphics update so yeah I am going to have to say your trolling cause the game does not look that bad at all maxed out.
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Best mmo ever imo is clasic EQ witch I play on the 1999 servers. Graphics = squat when it comes to mmo's
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I've never really played WoW as much as some of the other players presumably have, but I never really got on with the style of it. Even with the 'enhanced' graphics, it still looks very dated. The lighting improves from being relatively cartooney, but aside from a few tweaks here and there its still the same graphics at its core. The characters don't get any more detail, and the landscape remains pretty bland. A few reflections here and there can't change the fact that its showing its age.

That aside, graphics are not what makes a game good. Sure, they help entice new players but in the end it is the gameplay that keeps people paying their subscriptions. I'll admit I wasn't a fan of WoW. I played it for a little while, but found it to be just one endless grind with little of any interest happening in-between. If I wanted to try something different, I'd have to roll an entirely new character. If I wanted to pick a different craft, I have to give up one of my existing two crafts and lose all progress I've made.

FFXI offered something WoW didn't, and that was freedom. I could level any job and switch from it without losing any progress, I could have utilise all the crafts in the game (albeit with a level restriction on lesser crafts, but it was still a massive step up). It had brilliant storylines, breathtaking cutscenes and a wonderfully diverse world. It gave me what I didn't even know I was missing -- a purpose.

FFXIV hasn't given many the best first impression perhaps because it lacks some of those vital ingredients that made FFXI such a great game to play. However, it is clear to most of us now that Square-Enix are more than aware of the issues and are racing ahead with updates to address the bulk of these issues. Given time, FFXIV will blossom in the same way FFXI did. And if it even pulls off half of what FFXI did, it's a clear winner in my books.

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I didn't say it was "trolling", I just said that it wasn't very objective to compare XIV's graphics to WoW's graphics. It's ten years newer. Now, is it better than Vindictus - developed during the same time frame? How about Aion? How about some recent offline titles - Fable 3, Fallout New Vegas, Call of Duty? How about all these Star Wars and Lord of the Rings MMOs people keep talking about?

I mean it keeps coming back to this same WoW vs FF graphics thing. It was beaten to death in XI, and it's being beaten to death with XIV as well ten years after the fact. I never hear any other comparisons - is it because WoW is the only one that is inferior?

I'm actually genuinely curious about that one.
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On that note, I don't think WoW is exceptionally good in terms of gameplay either, which doesn't speak highly to the general quality of MMOs.

The initial appeal of MUDs and MMOs was that you could play a game with large numbers of other players from a variety of regions. But increasingly, single-player console games allow you to do this, and they often have vastly superior gameplay. Consider games like Smash Bros., Rock Band and Guitar Hero, Monster Hunter Tri, and a number of popular FPS.

It's approaching a point where MMOs will only be for players who give the utmost priority to playing a long-term progression-based game where they will have the potential to foster a reputation and feel a sense of social competency within the game, whether through fame or notoriety.

Having said that, I imagine that eventually MMOs will be able to offer a completeness of gameplay that may rival single-player console games. To some extent they already can, but developers sure haven't tried to make use of it.
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I'll take game play over graphics any day. This applies to everygame. Maybe it's a generation thing.
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I will admit that I am still enjoying FFXIV right now, but one of my friends that was playing quit and went back to WoW in anticipation to the new patch comming out. A few days ago, he sent me some screenshots of the beta and I was amazed how "aged" the graphics seem.

I know that WoW has great gameplay and the story is good, but the GRAPHICS OMG!!! I just couldn't go back and play that.....




There's no doubt WoW's graphics are showing their age. Part of it is that Blizzard steadfastly insists that wow be able to be run on 5 year old bargin basement computers. This makes sense to a degree, it widens the number of people who can potentially play their game. They have made attempts to pretty up, addin new lighting effects, new water detail, better sky boxes and higher res armor texture. But it's still only able to do so much, the player models in particular are pretty awful. The races that shipped with vanilla WoW at launch are laughably bad looking, and the newer high res armor looks odd when you see their faces.


Edited, Nov 15th 2010 3:14pm by mistrik


There is a huge issue with this aspect of why they use such outdated graphics. The problem is that alot of gamers are 5 - 6 years behind in technology on thier systems that when a game of this caliber is released thier systems can barely even load the game let alone run it then they claim that the game is buggy, laggy, has issues, a length of errors as long as my arms and legs put together due to drivers being severely out dated or just not been updated since 2006 and OS's not supported anymore.

Sure its great that a 500 dollar system can run the game on maxed out graphics, but throw any other game at it, even some Flash based games, and they start to chug and the only real thing you will want to use it for is the kids home work or a printing station.

I am not knocking the game, I don't personally like the game, but I think not at least upgrading thier client to try and at least push thier customers to upgrading thier systems along the 6 year haul they have had has had some serious backlash issues for new MMO companies who want to release games with nice graphics and alot of potential customers leave those games which is bad for us because thier computers simply cannot run the game and they go back to WoW.

From a marketing point and an entrapment point of view, Blizzard sure done thier homework on how to munipulate the industry, thats for sure.
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FFXII was nice, but how long has it been since you played it? I just finished it and although it was nice, it isn't even close to FFXIV....you weren't even able to see armor change in FFXII.


Hmm around 2 years ago or a little bit less, and sure XIV looks better no doubt, but both games outside CGI do not look that far different(XIV dosent run 15 circles around XII)besides graphics dont make a game, XIII looks awesome and yet is not 3% of the game XII was, or even 8 or 7(wich i hate) let alone 6 and that was an snes game <.<
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On that note, I don't think WoW is exceptionally good in terms of gameplay either, which doesn't speak highly to the general quality of MMOs.

The initial appeal of MUDs and MMOs was that you could play a game with large numbers of other players from a variety of regions. But increasingly, single-player console games allow you to do this, and they often have vastly superior gameplay. Consider games like Smash Bros., Rock Band and Guitar Hero, Monster Hunter Tri, and a number of popular FPS.

It's approaching a point where MMOs will only be for players who give the utmost priority to playing a long-term progression-based game where they will have the potential to foster a reputation and feel a sense of social competency within the game, whether through fame or notoriety.

Having said that, I imagine that eventually MMOs will be able to offer a completeness of gameplay that may rival single-player console games. To some extent they already can, but developers sure haven't tried to make use of it.


What would be the point of playing a MMO then ?

And btw: smash bro's rock band and monster hunter tri ? gameplay really ? lmao!
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Honestly if you guys love graphics so much go check out the new MMO vindictus, very impressive.
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My two gil...

I think there are a lot more times that graphics are important than simply "the first time you enter a zone". I only fish a little, but I can imagine that any serious fisher on this game appreciates things like, say, watching the reflection of the moon move across the ocean as time passes while they stand on a cliff with the occasional seabird swooping overhead. When you're sitting in place for any decent amount of time... tasty eye candy is nice to have available.

That being said, content is important, but most content comes with time. As much as comparing WOW's graphics to FFXIV is unfair to WOW. Comparing WOW's amount of content to FFXIV is unfair to FFXIV. WOW is a full-grown adult compared to FFXIV which is still a baby of a game, it'll grow up soon enough... and when it's WOW's age... well, we'll probably be playing a new MMO and saying how much it sucks/doesn't suck compared to FFXIV.

Just keeping it real.
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You can't bash WoW for it's graphics. As much as I hate that game keeping its visuals six years behind the curve is extremely beneficial to Blizzard as a company.

Keeping graphics level to a minimum frees up Blizzards development resources for other work such as content (which they sorely need what with their patch every 6 months, expansion pack every 2 and a half years development time).

It also opens their player base to the casuals who don't want to upgrade their PC every 2-10 years.

Finally it gives them a light stranglehold over the market because players jumping from WoW to a modern MMO will find their experience unbearable without upgrading their PC. A lot of the original technical complaints surrounding FFXIV were by those who clearly did not understand the kind of PC it takes to run this game and as such they were having a miserable experience.

**** on their graphics all you want, Blizzard is a marketing genius and they made the right (money wise) choice.

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What would be the point of playing a MMO then ?


Am I missing something or did you just ask me what would be the point of playing an MMO with better gameplay?

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And btw: smash bro's rock band and monster hunter tri ? gameplay really ? lmao!


Yeah, lmao at very popular titles with online content and better gameplay than nearly any MMO on the market.

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Haven't tried it, but judging from the gameplay videos I've seen it actually looks really fun. Can't comment on the difficulty or anything, but seems to have a lot of environmental interaction at least.
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You can't bash WoW for it's graphics. As much as I hate that game keeping its visuals six years behind the curve is extremely beneficial to Blizzard as a company.

Keeping graphics level to a minimum frees up Blizzards development resources for other work such as content (which they sorely need what with their patch every 6 months, expansion pack every 2 and a half years development time).


**** poor excuse in my honest opinion and you will see why when you burn through the content in the new WoW expasion in less then 3 months and go, wow, are you kidding me? 2 and a half years development for that? People will be multi-linking thier new class characters to thier other friends accounts and chewing through XP like no tomorrow. You will see a bunch of the new classes/races at cap level in 3 weeks, if not less.

Everquest 1 and 2 used to release expasions annually and game updates every month, still do to this day I believe. Those were expasions, keeping people active for the best part of 6-8 months, even the hardest of players. Game Updates on a monthly basis were free and while small and only lasted a few weeks, thats what people wanted, constant progression. Everquest 1 has like 14 expasions now and has only been out for 11 years, almost 12.

Lineage 2, expasion annually and all expasions free.

Aion, Expasion annually and all expasions free.

Blizzard is well known for dragging the horse when it comes to releasing expasions.


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It also opens their player base to the casuals who don't want to upgrade their PC every 2-10 years.


Can you even run WoW with a 10 year old computer? You probably can. Thats a perfect example with the above info on how bad they milk the cow.


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Finally it gives them a light stranglehold over the market because players jumping from WoW to a modern MMO will find their experience unbearable without upgrading their PC. A lot of the original technical complaints surrounding FFXIV were by those who clearly did not understand the kind of PC it takes to run this game and as such they were having a miserable experience.

**** on their graphics all you want, Blizzard is a marketing genius and they made the right (money wise) choice.

Edited, Nov 15th 2010 7:22pm by Wloire


This is the sole reason for the way they run thier buisness, period.

The right choice money wise, debatable and I can't be bothered rehashing 6 years worth of arguments so I will just say that Blizzard killed the MMMO industry. Now, everyone wants a peice of the preverbial WoW pie and MMORPG's have become nothing more then a hopping stone with the majority jumping from one game to another and games being released to fast at an accelrated pace that causes people to jump left, right and center in a struggle for players to get to end game asap.

Do Blizzard make good RTS games? Yep.
Do Blizzard make good RPG's? Yep.
Do Blizzard make good Online RPG's? Yep.
Do Blizzard make good MMORPG's? .......no comment.
#41 Nov 15 2010 at 6:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll take game play over graphics any day. This applies to everygame. Maybe it's a generation thing.


Without respect to WoW or FFXIV, I agree with this statement in general.

Whenever I hear people who started playing games in the PS1/N64 era say that they won't touch SNES/Genesis or older because of the graphics, it makes me want to punch a baby.

And whenever I hear people who started playing games in the PS2/GC/XBOX era say that they won't touch PS1/N64 or older because of the graphics, it makes me want to set that baby on fire.

Great graphics is great and all, but I can't remember the last game review I've read for any popular game that didn't mention the graphics and how "spectacular" they were or how "terrible" they were (it's almost always a polar opinion) in the first paragraph or two.

Who cares how it LOOKS? What about the GAME? Will it entertain you? Is it easy to learn but hard to master? Does it have replay value? What makes it fun?

Without respect to how good or bad the graphics are in WoW, FFXIV, or any other game... a game is like a woman; Sure she may look nice and make all your friends jealous, but after a month or two when you realize that she thinks that Alaska is an island (because it's always next to Hawaii on a map, right?) or that Jersey Shore is the best TV show ever made... you start to realize that maybe looks aren't all they're cracked up to be.

Not saying that a great game has to look terrible, just that looking great is not the sole factor in how great a game is. It's not even a major factor.
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#42 Nov 15 2010 at 6:57 PM Rating: Decent
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It's obvious that the majority agree here on the relative importance of graphics in video games. There really isn't much to add.

so...

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Jersey Shore is the best TV show ever made



Edited, Nov 15th 2010 7:59pm by chopstx
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
KacesofCaitsith wrote:
I'll take game play over graphics any day. This applies to everygame. Maybe it's a generation thing.


Without respect to WoW or FFXIV, I agree with this statement in general.

Whenever I hear people who started playing games in the PS1/N64 era say that they won't touch SNES/Genesis or older because of the graphics, it makes me want to punch a baby.

And whenever I hear people who started playing games in the PS2/GC/XBOX era say that they won't touch PS1/N64 or older because of the graphics, it makes me want to set that baby on fire.

Great graphics is great and all, but I can't remember the last game review I've read for any popular game that didn't mention the graphics and how "spectacular" they were or how "terrible" they were (it's almost always a polar opinion) in the first paragraph or two.

Who cares how it LOOKS? What about the GAME? Will it entertain you? Is it easy to learn but hard to master? Does it have replay value? What makes it fun?

Without respect to how good or bad the graphics are in WoW, FFXIV, or any other game... a game is like a woman; Sure she may look nice and make all your friends jealous, but after a month or two when you realize that she thinks that Alaska is an island (because it's always next to Hawaii on a map, right?) or that Jersey Shore is the best TV show ever made... you start to realize that maybe looks aren't all they're cracked up to be.

Not saying that a great game has to look terrible, just that looking great is not the sole factor in how great a game is. It's not even a major factor.



100% agree brother, if only the days of NES, Atari and Commodore 64 were still upon us. Come to think of it, i used to go outside and play back in them days......0.o. The days when I used to put coins into the Arcade machines like lollies.

What was that other thing that used to hook upto your Television before Atari, was it Telly Vision or something? I can't remember now, was back in like the mid 70's...

EDIT - Intellivision!!!!!

Edited, Nov 15th 2010 8:08pm by Taemek
#44 Nov 15 2010 at 7:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Taemek wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
KacesofCaitsith wrote:
I'll take game play over graphics any day. This applies to everygame. Maybe it's a generation thing.


Without respect to WoW or FFXIV, I agree with this statement in general.

Whenever I hear people who started playing games in the PS1/N64 era say that they won't touch SNES/Genesis or older because of the graphics, it makes me want to punch a baby.

And whenever I hear people who started playing games in the PS2/GC/XBOX era say that they won't touch PS1/N64 or older because of the graphics, it makes me want to set that baby on fire.

Great graphics is great and all, but I can't remember the last game review I've read for any popular game that didn't mention the graphics and how "spectacular" they were or how "terrible" they were (it's almost always a polar opinion) in the first paragraph or two.

Who cares how it LOOKS? What about the GAME? Will it entertain you? Is it easy to learn but hard to master? Does it have replay value? What makes it fun?

Without respect to how good or bad the graphics are in WoW, FFXIV, or any other game... a game is like a woman; Sure she may look nice and make all your friends jealous, but after a month or two when you realize that she thinks that Alaska is an island (because it's always next to Hawaii on a map, right?) or that Jersey Shore is the best TV show ever made... you start to realize that maybe looks aren't all they're cracked up to be.

Not saying that a great game has to look terrible, just that looking great is not the sole factor in how great a game is. It's not even a major factor.



100% agree brother, if only the days of NES, Atari and Commodore 64 were still upon us. Come to think of it, i used to go outside and play back in them days......0.o. The days when I used to put coins into the Arcade machines like lollies.

What was that other thing that used to hook upto your Television before Atari, was it Telly Vision or something? I can't remember now, was back in like the mid 70's...

Edited, Nov 15th 2010 8:05pm by Taemek


Intellivision is probably what you're thinking of. Or possibly Colecovision, bot probably the former.
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YES!!! I just remembered it as you posted!!!

Why did life seem so much easier back in them days?
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Taemek wrote:
YES!!! I just remembered it as you posted!!!

Why did life seem so much easier back in them days?


Because Mom and Dad paid the mortgage, and game controllers only had 2 buttons.
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This is true.

But then SNES was born and we had 6 buttons!!!!!
#48 Nov 15 2010 at 8:32 PM Rating: Decent
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The graphics in WoW certainly are efficient and well-made, but I can't stand the artistic style of the game. Too cartoonish, makes it feel like a game for little kids (which is somewhat true).
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Taemek wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
KacesofCaitsith wrote:
I'll take game play over graphics any day. This applies to everygame. Maybe it's a generation thing.


Without respect to WoW or FFXIV, I agree with this statement in general.

Whenever I hear people who started playing games in the PS1/N64 era say that they won't touch SNES/Genesis or older because of the graphics, it makes me want to punch a baby.

And whenever I hear people who started playing games in the PS2/GC/XBOX era say that they won't touch PS1/N64 or older because of the graphics, it makes me want to set that baby on fire.

Great graphics is great and all, but I can't remember the last game review I've read for any popular game that didn't mention the graphics and how "spectacular" they were or how "terrible" they were (it's almost always a polar opinion) in the first paragraph or two.

Who cares how it LOOKS? What about the GAME? Will it entertain you? Is it easy to learn but hard to master? Does it have replay value? What makes it fun?

Without respect to how good or bad the graphics are in WoW, FFXIV, or any other game... a game is like a woman; Sure she may look nice and make all your friends jealous, but after a month or two when you realize that she thinks that Alaska is an island (because it's always next to Hawaii on a map, right?) or that Jersey Shore is the best TV show ever made... you start to realize that maybe looks aren't all they're cracked up to be.

Not saying that a great game has to look terrible, just that looking great is not the sole factor in how great a game is. It's not even a major factor.



100% agree brother, if only the days of NES, Atari and Commodore 64 were still upon us. Come to think of it, i used to go outside and play back in them days......0.o. The days when I used to put coins into the Arcade machines like lollies.

What was that other thing that used to hook upto your Television before Atari, was it Telly Vision or something? I can't remember now, was back in like the mid 70's...

Edited, Nov 15th 2010 8:05pm by Taemek


Intellivision is probably what you're thinking of. Or possibly Colecovision, bot probably the former.

And before either of those must have been that silly odyssey I was given. My cousin had already had it for several years when he gave it to me in like the late 70s / early 80s. I still have my Tandy TRS-80 (a computer.) Somewhere I still think I have my Atari 400 (a computer) and Atari 2600. Graphics have changed ever so slightly since then. lol
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LockeColeMA wrote:
DomfranciscoOfIfrit wrote:
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I know that WoW has great gameplay and the story is good


If by "Good" you mean "Non-existant" then yes, the story is great.

Smiley: dubious
Several RL books, and three previous games beg to disagree with you. I can't say the storyline is amazing, but it is certainly not "non-existant."

Just thought I'd throw in my two cents here. Several months ago I came to these boards looking for information on FFXIV. The thing that people were most able to say (keep in mind this was back in closed beta times) was that the game was gorgeous. It still is. Even with WoW's reworked graphics, it doesn't hold a candle to FFXIV. Heck, I just started playing Aion (to review it for the site) and even Aion outshines the new enhanced WoW graphics. I played FFXIII for 20 hours over a weekend at my friend's house, and I was blown away by the graphics. Say what you want about SE, they know graphics, and for FFXIV, they look beautiful.

That said, the best games I have played in the past few years?
1. Portal
2. Minecraft

Both of those games completely lack good graphics, but were without a doubt some of the best games I have ever gotten to fool around with.

I enjoy breath-taking graphics because I just stop and stare for a bit. But in the best games I have played, I prefer functional over flashy every single day of the week when it comes to looks.

So what is the story of World of warcraft? What is the point of your character? How is our character impact the world? There is no story IN World of warcraft. there is story AROUND it. Its stupid that I need to look up a story just to understand what point in the time line my character is.
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Irishclass777 wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
DomfranciscoOfIfrit wrote:
tmproff wrote:
I know that WoW has great gameplay and the story is good


If by "Good" you mean "Non-existant" then yes, the story is great.

Smiley: dubious
Several RL books, and three previous games beg to disagree with you. I can't say the storyline is amazing, but it is certainly not "non-existant."

Just thought I'd throw in my two cents here. Several months ago I came to these boards looking for information on FFXIV. The thing that people were most able to say (keep in mind this was back in closed beta times) was that the game was gorgeous. It still is. Even with WoW's reworked graphics, it doesn't hold a candle to FFXIV. Heck, I just started playing Aion (to review it for the site) and even Aion outshines the new enhanced WoW graphics. I played FFXIII for 20 hours over a weekend at my friend's house, and I was blown away by the graphics. Say what you want about SE, they know graphics, and for FFXIV, they look beautiful.

That said, the best games I have played in the past few years?
1. Portal
2. Minecraft

Both of those games completely lack good graphics, but were without a doubt some of the best games I have ever gotten to fool around with.

I enjoy breath-taking graphics because I just stop and stare for a bit. But in the best games I have played, I prefer functional over flashy every single day of the week when it comes to looks.

So what is the story of World of warcraft? What is the point of your character? How is our character impact the world? There is no story IN World of warcraft. there is story AROUND it. Its stupid that I need to look up a story just to understand what point in the time line my character is.


It's a stylistic choice by the designer; whereas FFXI/XIV draws the story in such a way that your character is the "main character", WoW draws the story in such a way where your character is "just another guy". In either game the king is being crowned, but FF tells it with you as the hero and WoW tells it with you looking from the crowd.

Also, unlike XI/XIV which have linear progressive stories that are point-by-point, WoW's story is more broad and general. There are still individual events like Wrathgate for example, but these events can be completely skipped if you aren't around for what's going on. Most people who play WoW look at 1-80 as "the tutorial" and look at 80+ as "the real game" and tend to skip past the story. There's plenty of lore in teh quests themselves if you actually allow yourself to be immersed in it and don't just spam enter/accept and run off wherever the green questhelper arrow points you, which is what 95% of players end up doing.

I do think that the FF games have a deeper story, but perhaps that's just because of the way that they force you to focus on the story that it makes the story feel more important. Purely an observational opinion.
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