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#1 Nov 15 2010 at 5:06 PM Rating: Default
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So I just went to cancel my account, when I realized that I don't remember my password. Tried the ones I thought I would use, but no luck. Pah, fine, no big deal... I'll just go through the process to change my password. Only to change my password, I have to answer my security question. Should be no big deal, but they give me four options and I have to answer the right one... all common security questions that I use on other sites. So I try the ol' trial and error, and I still can't change my password. None of them work.

All I can say is it's a good thing I just remembered my password. While on some level I appreciate the added security, I can't help but feel that this is an unnecessary obstacle to changing your password.
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I find it too be very necessary and I am glad that companies are getting harder and harder to deal with in regards to thier online secruity.

Account theft is a serious buisness these days and without extra added measures like this, I only feel less secure.

What I would like to see a company do is allow us to generate our own Questions and answers upon generating a new account with them OR force us to upgrade our current ones before logging back into the game.

Force us to have at least a minimum of 10 custom tailored Questions with Answers that only we know.

Upon attempting to log into the game, the log in client pulls one of these questions randomly out to ask you what the answer is. You asnwer the randomly pulled question correctly and you get access.

Now if you happen to have malicious software on your system, ie: Keyloggers, they would need all answers to the whole series of questions to get access. I would make no less then a random of 30 tailor made questions for myself with answers that would have no correlation with each other.

But they would only have to keep trying until they recieved the same question.

True, but imho, 3 strikes and your locked out for 12 hours until you contact customer support, at which point obvious detials would have to be used to prove your the orginal owner of the account to unblock the account and you would know that someone has been trying to access your account at which point, you should start questioning your systems secruity, especially if you do online banking.

Is it too much?

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#4 Nov 15 2010 at 5:32 PM Rating: Decent
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That's actually a good suggestion. I was stumped to be greeted with 4 common security questions and have to pick the right one. If I don't remember my password... how likely am I to remember my security question? Having multiple options reduces the odds that someone can phish your answer, but phishers will frequently try to get info like your mother's maiden name. But if I had written my own question, I would have remembered the answer, and the odds of someone phishing it would be extremely low.
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I actually leave a notebook in my apartment with every password and security question I've put into a website thus far. Changing/recovering passwords is such an ordeal these days.
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That's actually a good suggestion. I was stumped to be greeted with 4 common security questions and have to pick the right one. If I don't remember my password... how likely am I to remember my security question? Having multiple options reduces the odds that someone can phish your answer, but phishers will frequently try to get info like your mother's maiden name. But if I had written my own question, I would have remembered the answer, and the odds of someone phishing it would be extremely low.


Correct, but the ultimate way to do it is to have an answer that has no correlation to the question what so ever, so for example:

Q: What is your mother madien name?
A: Pink Ponies Fly Over The SeA sAw

Should also be caps sensitive.

Write the questions and answers down in a book and never use the same ones for different sites. Always make new ones.
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Kachi wrote:
So I just went to cancel my account, when I realized that I don't remember my password. Tried the ones I thought I would use, but no luck. Pah, fine, no big deal... I'll just go through the process to change my password. Only to change my password, I have to answer my security question. Should be no big deal, but they give me four options and I have to answer the right one... all common security questions that I use on other sites. So I try the ol' trial and error, and I still can't change my password. None of them work.

All I can say is it's a good thing I just remembered my password. While on some level I appreciate the added security, I can't help but feel that this is an unnecessary obstacle to changing your password.



*stares* You do know you aren't forced to respond to the security questions they ask, don't you? When I'm asking a security question I just type my fail proof passwords.

Anyway, you were the one who forgot his password. A FF account ammounts to a pretty pricey commodity through the years... I don't think its wrong for them to make it extra secure (you in fact get they key thing dongle like in a real bank account) considering the ammount of hacks, trojans, whatever there are around the internet.

Just don't use passwords you can forget if you don't want to deal with recovering them. Seriously though, you have to input your password every time you log in. How do you even forget something like that?
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One word: Biometrics.

Honestly, why can't they just implant chips in everyone and tie your account to your chip? No more passwords. It's either you, or it's not you. Your chip, retinal scan, and thumbprint outta do it. Would hamper account sales too.

Better yet, you notice how all of these computers are coming with webcams? Why not go with that? Make it so that when you create an account, you have to remote in to an agent who then takes your picture, and then whenever you log in, the agent looks at your webcam and verifies it's you. If you've suddenly changed from a pasty white 145 lb dude in a brightly lit Ikea-furnished room to a 240 lb Chinese dude in a dark room full of about 20 other Chinese dudes, it shouldn't take much for them to figure out that you aren't John Smith.

It's genius.
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BTW, my oyvey face was at you, Kachi. Not SE. Smiley: wink


I know, and?

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*stares* You do know you aren't forced to respond to the security questions they ask, don't you?


I did not know that, actually. That's a bit counter-intuitive to me, since usually not responding prompts you with an error message that you have to respond. In any case, using a fail-safe password is a good suggestion. However, I don't keep that stuff written down because that's probably more of a security risk for me than keeping them on my computer.

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Seriously though, you have to input your password every time you log in. How do you even forget something like that?


Well, not much motivation to log in tends to result in it not being ingrained in your memory.
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
One word: Biometrics.

Honestly, why can't they just implant chips in everyone and tie your account to your chip? No more passwords. It's either you, or it's not you. Your chip, retinal scan, and thumbprint outta do it. Would hamper account sales too.

Better yet, you notice how all of these computers are coming with webcams? Why not go with that? Make it so that when you create an account, you have to remote in to an agent who then takes your picture, and then whenever you log in, the agent looks at your webcam and verifies it's you. If you've suddenly changed from a pasty white 145 lb dude in a brightly lit Ikea-furnished room to a 240 lb Chinese dude in a dark room full of about 20 other Chinese dudes, it shouldn't take much for them to figure out that you aren't John Smith.

It's genius.


Don't laugh when I say this, but I use a Thumb print access pad to gain access to my computer, I have no passwords, just requires my thumb print for access......is that wrong?
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Taemek wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
One word: Biometrics.

Honestly, why can't they just implant chips in everyone and tie your account to your chip? No more passwords. It's either you, or it's not you. Your chip, retinal scan, and thumbprint outta do it. Would hamper account sales too.

Better yet, you notice how all of these computers are coming with webcams? Why not go with that? Make it so that when you create an account, you have to remote in to an agent who then takes your picture, and then whenever you log in, the agent looks at your webcam and verifies it's you. If you've suddenly changed from a pasty white 145 lb dude in a brightly lit Ikea-furnished room to a 240 lb Chinese dude in a dark room full of about 20 other Chinese dudes, it shouldn't take much for them to figure out that you aren't John Smith.

It's genius.


Don't laugh when I say this, but I use a Thumb print access pad to gain access to my computer, I have no passwords, just requires my thumb print for access......is that wrong?


I never said it was. A lot of our laptops at work use thumbprints. My post was partially tongue-in-cheek, but at the same time, security measures that go beyond a simple password -are- more secure.

The problem with security is that people want security AND convenience. More security almost always means LESS convenience, and when it comes down to it, people tend to want the most convenient solution, then complain when the security fails. If you look around hard enough, you'll see people leave their car keys in magnetic holders under their car, or in fake rocks right next to their door, leave their computer's password on a post-it note on the monitor or use easy plaintext passwords for everything, and they're surprised when their security measures fail.

I'm in favor of nearly anything that makes an account more secure.
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Oh don't worry, 100% agree with you.

My post was a sarcastic tone with a hint of geekishness. 8- (
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
One word: Biometrics.

Honestly, why can't they just implant chips in everyone and tie your account to your chip? No more passwords. It's either you, or it's not you. Your chip, retinal scan, and thumbprint outta do it. Would hamper account sales too.

Better yet, you notice how all of these computers are coming with webcams? Why not go with that? Make it so that when you create an account, you have to remote in to an agent who then takes your picture, and then whenever you log in, the agent looks at your webcam and verifies it's you. If you've suddenly changed from a pasty white 145 lb dude in a brightly lit Ikea-furnished room to a 240 lb Chinese dude in a dark room full of about 20 other Chinese dudes, it shouldn't take much for them to figure out that you aren't John Smith.

It's genius.
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
One word: Biometrics.

Honestly, why can't they just implant chips in everyone and tie your account to your chip? No more passwords. It's either you, or it's not you. Your chip, retinal scan, and thumbprint outta do it. Would hamper account sales too.

Better yet, you notice how all of these computers are coming with webcams? Why not go with that? Make it so that when you create an account, you have to remote in to an agent who then takes your picture, and then whenever you log in, the agent looks at your webcam and verifies it's you. If you've suddenly changed from a pasty white 145 lb dude in a brightly lit Ikea-furnished room to a 240 lb Chinese dude in a dark room full of about 20 other Chinese dudes, it shouldn't take much for them to figure out that you aren't John Smith.

It's genius.


I think Microsoft has the camera login planned for Windows 8. Here's the article/site:

http://msftkitchen.com/2010/06/windows-8-plans-leaked-numerous-details-revealed.html
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
One word: Biometrics.

Honestly, why can't they just implant chips in everyone and tie your account to your chip? No more passwords. It's either you, or it's not you. Your chip, retinal scan, and thumbprint outta do it. Would hamper account sales too.

Better yet, you notice how all of these computers are coming with webcams? Why not go with that? Make it so that when you create an account, you have to remote in to an agent who then takes your picture, and then whenever you log in, the agent looks at your webcam and verifies it's you. If you've suddenly changed from a pasty white 145 lb dude in a brightly lit Ikea-furnished room to a 240 lb Chinese dude in a dark room full of about 20 other Chinese dudes, it shouldn't take much for them to figure out that you aren't John Smith.

It's genius.


And if I've gotten a tan, lost weight, and am sitting in a dark room, then what?
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I think Microsoft has the camera login planned for Windows 8. Here's the article/site:

http://msftkitchen.com/2010/06/windows-8-plans-leaked-numerous-details-revealed.html


I can login using either my cam or my mic on windows 7, in my ASUS laptop, but I think its a feature on the laptop, not the windows 7 per se. It has face and voice recognition. It works with files and other things too, were instead of password protection its voice and face recognition.
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
One word: Biometrics.

Honestly, why can't they just implant chips in everyone and tie your account to your chip? No more passwords. It's either you, or it's not you. Your chip, retinal scan, and thumbprint outta do it. Would hamper account sales too.

Better yet, you notice how all of these computers are coming with webcams? Why not go with that? Make it so that when you create an account, you have to remote in to an agent who then takes your picture, and then whenever you log in, the agent looks at your webcam and verifies it's you. If you've suddenly changed from a pasty white 145 lb dude in a brightly lit Ikea-furnished room to a 240 lb Chinese dude in a dark room full of about 20 other Chinese dudes, it shouldn't take much for them to figure out that you aren't John Smith.

It's genius.


Why bother with all that and the accompanying privacy concerns when an encrypted USB dongle would work just as well?
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#20 Nov 16 2010 at 3:53 AM Rating: Good
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Personally I kind of figured the security token would be adequate.
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
One word: Biometrics.

Honestly, why can't they just implant chips in everyone and tie your account to your chip? No more passwords. It's either you, or it's not you. Your chip, retinal scan, and thumbprint outta do it. Would hamper account sales too.

Better yet, you notice how all of these computers are coming with webcams? Why not go with that? Make it so that when you create an account, you have to remote in to an agent who then takes your picture, and then whenever you log in, the agent looks at your webcam and verifies it's you. If you've suddenly changed from a pasty white 145 lb dude in a brightly lit Ikea-furnished room to a 240 lb Chinese dude in a dark room full of about 20 other Chinese dudes, it shouldn't take much for them to figure out that you aren't John Smith.

It's genius.


Why bother with all that and the accompanying privacy concerns when an encrypted USB dongle would work just as well?


I'm just waiting for retinal scanning hardware/software to become more reasonably priced.
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Does anybody actually like FFXIV enough to draw blood for it?
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Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
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Does anybody actually like FFXIV enough to draw blood for it?


Post of the month.
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Does anybody actually like FFXIV enough to draw blood for it?


Well people sure seem disgruntled enough to draw blood over it.
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Does anybody actually like FFXIV enough to draw blood for it?


Well people sure seem disgruntled enough to draw blood over it.

or make pointless threads like this. So you officialy quit ffxiv and?
good thread otherwise. Also noted Kachi, fair warning if you feel like playing say 1 year from now be prepared for your account to be hacked. Alot of ppl lose accounts that are canceled/ inactive. And no mater the game it a b*tch to get back no matter the game.
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No matter the game.
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All I have to say is that this is proof that some people will complain about anything. If there were no security question you'd be throwing a fit that SE doesn't safeguard your personal info enough. I mean, you're literally complaining that it's difficult to change your password! They should make it easy enough for anyone to do it, right?

Besides, complex password security isn't exactly new. I'm surprised you don't have a written record of all your passwords. You don't use the same password or password scheme for everything I hope. That's a common way fishers can get into high security accounts; by hacking low security accounts (video games) and applying those passwords to the user's bank account since most people use the same username/password for everything.

But you're right. SE should make it super easy to change our passwords. Might as well display the password characters as well, that would be super nice. Heck, lets ask them to even store the passwords in a temp file called "password" so I can find it later if I want, that way I won't ever forget it. /sarcasm
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It's my thread and I can QQ if I want to,
QQ if I want to, QQ if I want to,
You would QQ too if it happened to you.


Seriously people, I was clearly frustrated by a frustrating situation and I made a rant thread. They are not new to the internet nor are they special because FFXIV is under so much scrutiny right now. I never at any point suggested that this was just another ****-up by SE's incompetent team. Don't read so much into it.

As for the passwords, I use different classes of passwords depending on my security concerns for the site and increasing diversification depending on the security level. Some things I wouldn't care if they got hacked, and I pretty much use the same password for all of them. I created a new password for FFXIV and forgot it because I ended up not using it much, and like I already said, I don't write them down for calculated security reasons. I still think it's kind of a stupid system for resetting your password, and I can't see much need for it in light of them offering a security token.
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Ok, now we're going to get slash fiction of Wint x Kachi somehere... rule 34 and all...

Never confuse your inference as the listener for an implication of the speaker.

Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
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Biometrics can be faked more easily than good encryption fyi.
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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Well not everyone uses it. Or can afford one. I was just saying that because I took a long break from Aion my account was hacked. I had quit WoW and my account got hacked. Used different passwords. Hackers hack the main servers of the company now. Happen with SE on ffxi earlier this year. But in my opinion "i quit" threads are immature, pointless and nonconstructive. But your was more then that. But do yourself a favor and take a forum break. You WILL become a bitter grumpy guss if ya don't.
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You forgot your password... you forgot your security question... you blame SE?

Gosh, why not send a e-mail to the Special Task Force berating Sage Sundi for not waking you up in time for school?
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You forgot your password... you forgot your security question... you blame SE?

Gosh, why not send a e-mail to the Special Task Force berating Sage Sundi for not waking you up in time for school?

S/He is trying to use his/her "thought provoking inteligence" to say the game sucks to the bitter end. By making an "i quit" thread more then that pointless " I quit" but the post is still pointless. I'm at this point wondering how many people actually post as this Kachi. So far 1 makes pointless posts, 1 has a PhD is psychology (a pseudo sience at best as it does have flaws), and 1 claims to be an imsomniac (sp?) . Not trying to to personally attack this person, just with each post their lingo and writing styles change. Like they claim to not go poster from poster but got a mental blacklist of people from this site. For really no reason.
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The only security measures I find annoying are the ones which insist on having specific things in your password. Stuff like "you must have at least 1 numeric and 1 non-alphanumeric character in your password". I mean, honestly the point of actually having a password is so that it's something you can remember. Writing out overly complex passwords might make it more difficult to crack, but it also makes it harder to remember later on.

It's no wonder people sometimes keep post-it notes with their passwords written on them!
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Not trying to to personally attack this person....


Actually, you are. Every time Kachi posts, you're all over it like a dirty shirt, trying to pick it apart. Stop it, wouldja? He types circles around you.

I have terrible security habits, because I've TRIED using different passwords and I've immediately forgotten them. Like, within ten minutes which is embarrassing to admit. Now I stick to three or four basics and just hope for the best. I also sometimes take it as Sign from God if I can't get back in - apparently the Divine Plan says I'm not supposed to and I try never to second guess the Almighty.

I like the idea of the implant chip. I want one for everything because I'm also tired of forgetting my bus pass at home.


Edited, Nov 17th 2010 2:26am by jadyness
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Over complicated PW rules. :) AS i put in stuff that would make sence to me. And only me. Like say..... Inuyasha_choco77 Pretty much 1 of my fav anime +1 of my fav snacks. + the number of my fav hockey player of the bruins. Once you type it out enough time you can remember it.
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Irishclass777 wrote:
Not trying to to personally attack this person....


Actually, you are. Every time Kachi posts, you're all over it like a dirty shirt, trying to pick it apart. Stop it, wouldja? He types circles around you.


Edited, Nov 17th 2010 2:26am by jadyness


I wouldn't go as far to say that Kachi types circles around him her. I think they both have valid points and enjoy reading both thier posts.

EDIT - Irishclass777 is a woman, my bad, sorry hun. Please don't hurt me. 8- )

Edited, Nov 17th 2010 3:02am by Taemek
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Actually its the reverse. Kachi insults me more times for the dumbest stuff. Look on any thread and see him say stupid insults over trivial things.
Don't be fooled by big pretty words a bully is still a bully.

For the record, I'm a Woman.
Kachi uses his/her PhD to insult others while claiming to not know 1 poster from the next.
Also stated that since I can't type well, that I'm an idiot.
I chalk it up to the fact OP is just bitter he/she had unrealistic expectation on the game and found out what reality was. I see it alot all over, people so bitter about how "Fail" the game is and insult people anyway they can.
As for me I expected a "crap" game based on how many times beta was cancled.

Edited, Nov 17th 2010 2:39am by Irishclass777
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Actually its the reverse. Kachi insults me more times for the dumbest stuff. Look on any thread and see him say stupid insults over trivial things.
Don't be fooled by big pretty words a bully is still a bully.

For the record, I'm a Woman.
Kachi uses his/her PhD to insult others while claiming to not know 1 poster from the next.
Also stated that since I can't type well, that I'm an idiot.
I chalk it up to the fact OP is just bitter he/she had unrealistic expectation on the game and found out what reality was. I see it alot all over, people so bitter about how "Fail" the game is and insult people anyway they can.
As for me I expected a "crap" game based on how many times beta was cancled.

Edited, Nov 17th 2010 2:39am by Irishclass777


I tend to percieve people who attack other peoples grammar as grasping at straws with no real constructive way at forming a decent argument or retort to the subject at hand.
#41Irishclass777, Posted: Nov 17 2010 at 2:35 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Kachi did infact call me an idiot. Just used big "smart" words to do it. aka Epeening their "IQ". I personally don't care what you think my IQ is. I'm an eccentric poet. Been writing on and off since second grade. Actually my first poem was writen for my ADD testing. I was told to wrote a short story. As a test for my writing abilities and I'd assume grammer etc. I asked politly if I should write a poem. And wrote one about my cat.
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well, as I said once in a post to someone calling me retarded like 8 times in the same paragraph: "Being rude doesn't make you be right, same as with being louder". Lately things have been getting over the "you said, he/she said" between the same members, so I would like to say it became a little more personal now. So let's try to take it down a notch.

Everyone has their right to their opinions, but one thing is puting your opinions down and defend them, and another attacking those who are against yours. We should respect others opinions, as we would like others to respect ours.

Nobody is here to presume the masters or degrees we have, neither to make feel less anyone. This is a forum to talk about a game, the pros and the cons. But with respect before hand. Things can derail so easily, but the sense and intelligence of everyone is not demostrated by how better you could type, how better your master of studies can be, or how old or how much you would know about something. After all, we all here are the same: Gamers.

So let's keep it good, Even when you don't like something, there are protocols, PM messages for example. SO who is up for some hand shaking and some updates next week? I am ;)
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I'm not, nor ever was rude on purpose. I will defend myself if insulted, call out on obvious bs, and question why people are here for pointless reasons. I don;t hate anyone. I just find that people got no right to question my "smarts" based on my typing skills when I say/ defend my opinion. :)
Then go into the bs of saying how my Opinion is wrong.
which is lame as opinions are never wrong.
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Irish, were you not the one who basically told me to stfu with the educated talk when I answered an on-topic question that was directed towards me?

Then YOU accused ME of derailing the thread, and therefor trolling, when I was just replying to your initial rude and frankly stupid comment.

So you know what? If you have the maturity to sincerely admit that you were in the wrong, I will overlook past transgressions and start from a clean slate. Otherwise, stop accusing me of picking on you for no reason when reason abounds, and stop interpreting my every pointed criticism and HUMAN frustration as "OMG SE SUX DONKEY BALLS I QUIT AND IRISHTRASH777 IS TEH DUMB NO REZON I SAY THAT SHE JUST IS" in disguise.

At the very least, stop assuming the worst about me when evidence to the contrary is right there were you to simply be bothered to read it.
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well first off I asked not bluntly said sftu. As for being on topic, topic was someone saying why they play. What need of the over complicated discussion? My comment was not stupid actually. It was my way of saying, take it to pm as no one understand what yall are saying which is unfair to those who may not be at the same "degree" as you are. How about it time for you to learn something. Use simple terms rather over complicated statements. That way it don't appear as if you are epeening your "IQ". You don't see what you write, and don't get how what you said is over complicated, and very hostil. I think you can be stupid at times (not a personal attack mind you) because you lack the skills to be simple.
I gave several examples of what I meant.

Also i will not say sorry for no reason.
You need to say sorry actually.
1> saying I'm dumb based on my typing. (personal attack)
2> saying I'm dumb because my opinion is simple (personal attack)
3> stating you are ignoring me because i am stupid (personal attack)
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So you chose door number 2 then.

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Otherwise, stop accusing me of picking on you for no reason when reason abounds, and stop interpreting my every pointed criticism and HUMAN frustration as "OMG SE SUX DONKEY BALLS I QUIT AND IRISHTRASH777 IS TEH DUMB NO REZON I SAY THAT SHE JUST IS" in disguise.

At the very least, stop assuming the worst about me when evidence to the contrary is right there were you to simply be bothered to read it.


Based on that response, I'm almost embarrassed that I was prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt.

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also not to be a debbie downer keep the phsyc 101 stuff, think yall over thinking about games and it kinda annoying to read. Like a doctor over analyzing why a baby laughs. /facepalm.


Bolded for emphasis. And perhaps you were unaware, but when you refer to something as "101" you're saying it's the most basic information that even a beginner knows, which beyond the other rudeness is insulting for reasons you may not have understood.

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Also stated that since I can't type well, that I'm an idiot.

Also, don't recall saying anything to that effect. Maybe you're insecure about your typing and imagined it.

Sorry, but you know what else? Where do you get off asking me to "simplify" my posts so that they're easier to read, when you can't be bothered to clean up the metric ****-ton of errors in your posts? Your posts are riddled with so many mistakes that it'd be hard for anyone to read, and I still don't recall giving you any crap about that til now. Mine are only a problem for people who don't want to have to do little things like learn a new word every once in a while.

I mean really, the nerve.
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Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
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I hear Zam has this really useful feature called "pm".
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And I'd be happy to take it there, as soon as the public accusations cease.
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Never confuse your inference as the listener for an implication of the speaker.

Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
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If we're going to use poetry as examples of intelligence:

Ode On An Icebreaker

Candy is dandy
But liquor is quicker.

- Ogden Nash

This poet had a firm understanding that the horse comes before the cart - if you get my drift.
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Maybe SE read some of your posts and changed your password on ya'

or it could be Karma
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#51Irishclass777, Posted: Nov 17 2010 at 3:57 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok so i must say sory for saying "101"? Its an expression. And I can't count how many posts you call me unintelagible <sp?> Just my for errors. I do not type well and don't see the errors till after I post. I'm on my ps3 99% of the time acessing this site. And also you just prove you 1) Epeen your IQ. 2) over analyze. As most know when thet see (insert college class) 101 its just an expression. I know the degree you type is much larger. If you can't understand something instead of starting crap about my "iq" just ask pm or otherwise. Kachi i read your siggy, shpuld fallow your own siggy. :) Cuz ya don't.
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