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#1 Nov 16 2010 at 10:46 AM Rating: Decent
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I dont know how many of you have played Minecraft, but I have never played a game where I have been more immersed...as if I was really IN the game. Slowly going through a dark dungeon with zombie sounds and creepy music is horrifying. If we could "Bottle that up" and put it in FFXIV....

(BTW, I LOVE the graphics in Minecraft..They're perfect for what it accomplishes)
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#2 Nov 16 2010 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
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Yea...that could work. Maybe throw some Pong and Space Invaders as well.
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#3 Nov 16 2010 at 11:06 AM Rating: Good
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And a little Gran Turismo too...
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#4 Nov 16 2010 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I guess you guys haven't played it...
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#5 Nov 16 2010 at 12:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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I ******* love minecraft.
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#6 Nov 16 2010 at 12:14 PM Rating: Default
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Yea...that could work. Maybe throw some Pong and Space Invaders as well.



Space Invaders Arcade would be better than chocobo races in FFXI.
#7 Nov 16 2010 at 12:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I played Minecraft and it's awesome. I only played it a little, I forced myself to not play because after about an hour I thought to myself.."holy **** this is gonna be one of those games that stick in my head and I wont be able to get any work done."

It's definetly got something going for it, that "X Factor" that alot of us have said FFXIV is missing. Wasn't it developed by like 1 guy as a hobby?
#8 Nov 16 2010 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Yep, it's a guy from Sweeden I believe named Notch. He has a blog thats pretty cool. Whats funny about it, is that he was selling copies of his game through paypal, and it went viral. In a weeks time, he had like $600,000 in there...he had to hire a lawyer to get paypal to let go of the money. I know now that he's making many thousands of dollars a day with a game that is still in it's alpha. Amazing story.
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#9 Nov 16 2010 at 2:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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but I have never played a game where I have been more immersed...as if I was really IN the game.

Minecraft is what took me away from FFXIV. So you're right, and how sad is that for 'triple A' games.

Anyway I want to address your quote. The reason you're so immersed in Minecraft isnt because he did an awesome job at presentation. It has everything to do with the fact that at no point in that game are you EVER wrestling with the interface.

It's smartly designed, minimal, reactive, quick, intuitive. At no point are you thinking about pressing a button 5 times to get it to react, waiting for a menu to load, waiting for a synthesis to end. No. BAM, BOOM, DONE! You never stop 'playing' to wait for the game to catch up to you. Because of this, you can forget you're sitting at a PC pressing buttons, it becomes easy to lose yourself to the simulation.

Minecraft deserves much attention for having made a game RIGHT. Large idiotic studios that have forgotten these simple basics hopefully will be green with envy at his profit margins. Maybe then they'd try to learn from him, the things they established and forgot a generation ago.

Edited, Nov 16th 2010 3:47pm by RattyBatty
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#10 Nov 16 2010 at 2:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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I highly doubt FFXIV could adjust to Minecraft. They are night-and-day... for one, Minecraft at its heart is a single-player. Multiplayer Mode is still buggy as all get-out. Second, Minecraft is the ultimate sandbox - you control and change the environment completely. Imagine if you could systematically tear down the walls of the cities in FFXIV?

... whoa. That would be pretty sweet!

Ahem.

Anyway, I think they are much too different. In FFXIV you play a story - in Minecraft you make your own. In FFXIV you get a (beautiful) world that you cannot change. In Minecraft you get a (blocky) world that you can completely edit. In FFXIV you have more complex combat set up in the standard RPG model - I swing to take off HP, even if my sword is nowhere near you. In Minecraft you have a semi-FPS style fighting game - swinging your sword without the enemy getting hit by it doesn't work (I say "semi" because you can't score headshots for extra damage, etc).

Nah, day and night. FFXIV tries to be a different beast completely. It should work on getting its strengths right instead of attempting to build on an indie success.
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#11 Nov 16 2010 at 2:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Apples. Oranges. Naturally.

I'd say that FFXIV has the ability to be immersive. First off, turn off names. Sounds in the game are excellent if you pay attention. It's expansive and explorable, playable by ones self of with a group of people.

What FFXIV is not: a two button game. I won't take anything away from Minecraft's addictive simplicity, but to say that as a general populace players would tolerate an MMO with such a stripped down interface is short-sighted. Granted, FFXIV's interface is clunky and slow, but there's more to it than build block/destroy block. With some more optimization and streamlining it could be a race horse; changes that won't be so drastic that it will never happen.

At the end of the day, why aren't all games morphed versions of Portal, pong and Super Mario? Because that would be boring as ****.
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#12 Nov 16 2010 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
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In FFXIV you get a (beautiful) world that you cannot change.


To me, this was a real disappointment. Now, I really didn't expect much, but the degree to which the environment feels so removed from your character is fairly sad. When you log a tree, the tree doesn't shake and leaves don't fall... a little menu pops up and twinkly lights appear.

It just feels like nothing you do affects the environment in the slightest, not even with a temporary graphic (except for things like running through the grass and water). It's sort of the same with the mobs. It doesn't strike me as a living world, just a pretty template.

I would have really hoped for some kind of interactive feel.
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#13 Nov 16 2010 at 3:07 PM Rating: Decent
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What I was referencing wasn't the UI, wasn't the graphics, but the FEELING you get when you are deep DEEP in the bowls of a mountain .....
"Did I turn that way?"
"I bet there is lava right below me and I'm about to burn"
"I NEED more ore....OMG Diamond!"

and then all of a suddon, that creepy music comes on......and the sounds of a zombie in a wall above you....When was the last time a game made you flinch?
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#14 Nov 16 2010 at 3:08 PM Rating: Good
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You don't think its the UI you're talking about, but trust me, if the UI was as bad as in FFXIV you wouldn't have time to soak in the atmosphere. You'd be too busy fuming at the controls to settle into that world. FFXIV is a perfect example of that problem.

The fact that you don't even think it's thanks to the minimal and 'under the radar' UI, shows how well executed it is.

Edited, Nov 16th 2010 4:31pm by RattyBatty
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#15 Nov 16 2010 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
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it's not the UI...Minecraft UI isn't great, it's just simple...it does have features that FFXIV needs like drag and drop, but nothing special. If the UI in FFXIV is distracting you from being immersed in a dungeon, you need to stop fiddling :)

Edited, Nov 16th 2010 4:19pm by tmproff
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#16 Nov 16 2010 at 3:38 PM Rating: Decent
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In FFXIV you get a (beautiful) world that you cannot change.


To me, this was a real disappointment. Now, I really didn't expect much, but the degree to which the environment feels so removed from your character is fairly sad. When you log a tree, the tree doesn't shake and leaves don't fall... a little menu pops up and twinkly lights appear.

It just feels like nothing you do affects the environment in the slightest, not even with a temporary graphic (except for things like running through the grass and water). It's sort of the same with the mobs. It doesn't strike me as a living world, just a pretty template.

I would have really hoped for some kind of interactive feel.


This isn't really relevant to the OP but I'm in Nanawa mines right now. Doing some leves and overhead on the tracks passed a ore cart or whatever you call those things. It's probably the first time in FFXIV that I ever felt like I was fighting in an environment, somebody's workplace, the real world.


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