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#1 Nov 17 2010 at 8:01 AM Rating: Default
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This is the most boring combat system i have ever played!

The NOV and DEC patch will be useless if the combat system is not totally revamped. Useless and boring combat skills, very little class distinction, brainless button mash fights!

Edited, Nov 18th 2010 8:49am by Wint Lock Thread: See complaint thread.
#2 Nov 17 2010 at 8:02 AM Rating: Decent
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In before... uh.. stuff happens.
#3 Nov 17 2010 at 8:06 AM Rating: Default
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plz tell something we dont know!!!

omg kids these day., this subject is soooooooo OLD.
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#4 Nov 17 2010 at 8:07 AM Rating: Decent
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They've announced that they plan to revamp the combat system, but we don't know any details yet. We'll just have to wait and see.
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#5pec, Posted: Nov 17 2010 at 8:13 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) and i forgot to add that theres 00000000 content!
#6 Nov 17 2010 at 8:14 AM Rating: Good
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Ok, do you have something new to add? Perhaps some new suggestion on how to fix it? Or did you just want some cheese with the whine?
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#7 Nov 17 2010 at 8:14 AM Rating: Decent
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The combat is fine.

I don't think I have ever played an MMO, or an RPG for that matter, which has a combat system in which I enjoy doing the same thing over and over again. The most epic boss fights, which get our adrenaline pumping when we first get to them, can get stale really fast after a couple of kills.

It's all about what you're fighting. Combat is boring when you're grinding the same easy stuff for hours, it only gets exciting when you're up against something new and challenging.
#8 Nov 17 2010 at 8:16 AM Rating: Default
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my suggestion is give us AUTOATTACK!
#9 Nov 17 2010 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
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Kachi wrote:
They've announced that they plan to revamp the combat system, but we don't know any details yet. We'll just have to wait and see.


When have they said they're going to revamp the combat system? From what I can tell, they'll be tweaking it slightly, which in my opinion isn't enough.

I won't bother going into why it's not enough, as there are countless other good explanations of why the combat system is unrewarding, and not fun.

Now if they were entirely overhauling the combat system, I may have something to hope for, but tweaking damage numbers, and stamina costs just isn't gonna do it for me.
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#10 Nov 17 2010 at 8:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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pec wrote:
my suggestion is give us AUTOATTACK!


Heard that one before as well. I don't think autoattack works in the gameplay as they've designed it. You can make a macro that will do several attacks for you so you don't spam 1 and 2 as often.
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#11 Nov 17 2010 at 8:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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pec wrote:
my suggestion is give us AUTOATTACK!


Wait... combat is boring...solution = make it more boring?
I'm not gettin' that 1...
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#12pec, Posted: Nov 17 2010 at 8:25 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ITs hard to explain the importance of autoattack and how fun it is, someone pls do it for my thx!
#13 Nov 17 2010 at 8:28 AM Rating: Good
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TwistedOwl wrote:
pec wrote:
my suggestion is give us AUTOATTACK!


Wait... combat is boring...solution = make it more boring?
I'm not gettin' that 1...


I find both WoW, and FFXI's combat to be much more enjoyable than FFXIV, having to mash the 1 key isn't fun.
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FeanaroOnPhoenix wrote:
TwistedOwl wrote:
pec wrote:
my suggestion is give us AUTOATTACK!


Wait... combat is boring...solution = make it more boring?
I'm not gettin' that 1...


I find both WoW, and FFXI's combat to be much more enjoyable than FFXIV, having to mash the 1 key isn't fun.

Really? In WoW if you're a caster pretty much all you're doing in boss fights is spamming your bread and butter spell (Shadowbolt, Frost Bolt, Fireball, etc...) with some flavor spells thrown in each cycle. Melee is not more complicated, either. The only exciting tasks are tanking and, to a lesser extent, healing, and that's only in non-trivial content.
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FeanaroOnPhoenix wrote:
TwistedOwl wrote:
pec wrote:
my suggestion is give us AUTOATTACK!


Wait... combat is boring...solution = make it more boring?
I'm not gettin' that 1...


I find both WoW, and FFXI's combat to be much more enjoyable than FFXIV, having to mash the 1 key isn't fun.


You're not the only one with that opinion. Never played WoW, but I wouldn't call XI's combat system super exciting when it comes to grinding either. Aside from Skillchains > Battle Regiment & more defined class roles(which bothers some people, not a big deal to me) it's pretty similar. What XI did have was unique battles that made the combat system more exciting. That's what XIV needs. The potential is there for more strategic, engaging battles to be added in future content that makes better use of the system.

Taking this system and just slapping in auto-attack would make it even less interactive. You'd be able to chat more while fighting, but the actual combat wouldn't magically become fun & exciting.

I don't think the other option of completely revamping the system and including auto-attack is do-able or needed.

Edited, Nov 17th 2010 10:39am by TwistedOwl
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For anyone whining about auto-attack.. You can just make a macro that is tailored to the enemy you're fighting. ****, I use macros for most parties so that I can get in as many hits as possible.

If you're mashing 1 and 2 and complaining about it, just.. stop. nub ;)
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#17 Nov 18 2010 at 12:59 AM Rating: Decent
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pec wrote:
ITs hard to explain the importance of autoattack and how fun it is, someone pls do it for my thx!

So.... you want ffxi attack system because you can't handle actually working your fingers?
Play zelda you need a good work out.
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#18 Nov 18 2010 at 1:02 AM Rating: Good
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FeanaroOnPhoenix wrote:
TwistedOwl wrote:
pec wrote:
my suggestion is give us AUTOATTACK!


Wait... combat is boring...solution = make it more boring?
I'm not gettin' that 1...


I find both WoW, and FFXI's combat to be much more enjoyable than FFXIV, having to mash the 1 key isn't fun.

your choice. There are 1 and 2. Your choice in what you use. try mixing it up. But really.
street fight analogy
sure you can spam one key but combos are more fun
you guys are limiting the combat. Just like in ffxi. Not SE fault you guys spam 1 button when they gave you 10.
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#19 Nov 18 2010 at 1:28 AM Rating: Good
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FeanaroOnPhoenix wrote:
TwistedOwl wrote:
pec wrote:
my suggestion is give us AUTOATTACK!


Wait... combat is boring...solution = make it more boring?
I'm not gettin' that 1...


I find both WoW, and FFXI's combat to be much more enjoyable than FFXIV, having to mash the 1 key isn't fun.


If your smashing one key, you must go through alot of keyboards....

No seriously, you aren't playing the game if your smashing on one key....
#20 Nov 18 2010 at 1:32 AM Rating: Decent
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pec wrote:
This is the most boring combat system i have ever played!

The NOV and DEC patch will be useless if the combat system is not totally revamped. Useless and boring combat skills, very little class distinction, brainless button mash fights!



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On the auto-attack suggestion and trying to actually provide something useful, what about this:

- Basics attacks consume stamina, and stamina takes time to replenish.

- We can basically make one attack for as many seconds as it takes to replenish the stamina it consumes.

- The only real drawback is that the stamina that this attack uses will never be available for other actions because is constantly depleted.

My proposal is some sort of continuous-attack mode for basic attacks (you could choose between this and the current mode) the idea is that you press the attack button only once to activate this mode, then your stamina bar is reduced (as much as the attack normally depletes it) but your character auto-attack as often as you would recover stamina for the selected attack.

I think this kind of feature will fix the combat system for me, that way tanks and mages who doesn't need to attack all the time can keep the current system and get the most of their full stamina bars while the attackers can simple switch to this mode and let the system handle efficient attack rounds.

So, what does everyone thinks of it?

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#22 Nov 18 2010 at 2:34 AM Rating: Good
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Why do you keep wanting to make this game into FFXI-2 or another press f1 for attack clone. As you learn how to play other games that requires multiple buttons combos and mixing of them, and all of them are differente button sets, learn to play this game as it is. Auto-attack is boring. Press 1 key, go to the bathroom, go get some drinks, come back and the character is still fighting, without the need for your skills or input... that is boring.
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#23 Nov 18 2010 at 3:35 AM Rating: Decent
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You know, I may be the only one who feels this way, but it just always seemed as if the FFXIII battle system would work amazingly well on FFXIV

Edited, Nov 18th 2010 4:36am by Kitprower
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you mean scan and watch? that all you did in ffxiii really. even if you did your own thing it was pointless.
Pec and ppl wishing for auto attack play zelda. :) Docters orders. as in buy a game cube and buy zelda twilight princess. game has 0 auto attack.
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TwistedOwl wrote:
pec wrote:
my suggestion is give us AUTOATTACK!


Wait... combat is boring...solution = make it more boring?
I'm not gettin' that 1...


well... its not like its an action rpg. i also think it should be more like FFXI. having to click for the basic attack over and over is rather tedious.
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auto attack is dull and mmorpg are infact action rpg. mobs/ boss fights in real time.
I love how ppl thinking keying attacks is tedious, when most may have grown up on zelda.
why not make every game have auto attack so we call can let the game play it self :3
Actually there is priate mmo with full scale auto attack. Basical crt 1 or something turns your character into a bot.
the point of playing a game is to, play the game.
How is auto attack playing the game? it 's not.

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in mmorpg, game plays you.
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#27 Nov 18 2010 at 7:52 AM Rating: Default
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OP, I rated you up, cuz these noobs are all probably low level, and haven't experienced the joy of grinding at R25+ yet.

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You know what, this is funny. Some time ago I spent a lot of time in the Age of Conan forum before the game's release. Most people there thought WoW's auto-attack system sucked and were excited by AoC's manual combat. Fast forward a few years and I'm in the FFXIV forum where people are shunning manual attacks and wanting them automated again.
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I still don't know why people say they have to mash any button at all (especially if you solo).

As an Archer I use several of my abilities during combat. Solo and Party. Without my macros, I'd be mashing LOTS of buttons. I guess I could just get by pushing one button repeatedly, but that would be my own fault for choosing that method.

Tanking is certainly not 1-Mashing. If the tank is doing that, they are probably doo-doo and likely not holding much hate. DDs I've partied with are constantly moving around; mainly trying to get to the mob's back and using their abilities to pachooie-chomp it.

Up your game. 1-Mashing = Fail.

As to the general notion that combat is boring, I guess I just don't see that side of the argument. What would you consider fun (besides apparently AUTO-ATTACK)? While large parties do seem like something of a Zerg-fest; smaller groups require some amount of strategy and attention to be successful against challenging mobs.

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#30 Nov 18 2010 at 8:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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This thread smells of sock puppetry. Will be passing this on to Kao to investigate, but in the mean time, see the complaint thread if you are serious in continuing this.
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