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#1 Nov 18 2010 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I commend SE for doing everything that they have, but after reading the proposed updates I don't see it changing the opinion of the many who have stopped playing. Most of the things they are fixing in the next months are tgeneral gameplay mechanics such as chat system/ menu/ and UI. While I agree these need to be fixed, the reason I'm no longer playing and so many others are is just a lack of content and boring repetitive play. The guild leves get really stale after awhile and the same goes for crafting. You do get a nice quest every couple of levels but besides that there isn't much to do in the game. Many have also expressed the opinion that the world is extremely dull and as was seen in the PCGAMER interview, square is blaming it on "Memory Issues".

Two free months is a great gesture but isn't that giving us a hint to how bad things have really gotten for SE? I could have never imagined them giving away 2 free months. When they sent out the emails that accounts were going to be billed for the new month after the free one, they're must have been a tremendous amount of account cancelations because the news of another free month came a few days after.

We are given no word on new content coming up in the future except for "New" Guildleves which may be more of the same stuff already existing, and NMs. I just get the feeling that there is no direction for this game and SE doesn't even know what it is.
#2 Nov 18 2010 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
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The game won't be fixed in a matter of three months. There is no miracle patch and there will not be one.

But 4, 5 updates like these and yes, that will be enough.

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2 years worth of content is planned. The first expansion is already in the works. At least 3 types of different content has been revealed to be released within 5 months.

Everything we've seen implies they know exactly what they're going to do.

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#3 Nov 18 2010 at 12:47 PM Rating: Default
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~46 000 players at launch and today it's around ~22 000 active players. Will the update bring them back? Not really. Most players that left have stopped caring a long time ago. They might come back for the PS3 launch if there is still a community left by that time.

Too little, too late. And the information about all the systems in the game should have been translated and made public BEFORE the launch... not little by little several months later on a site that few ppl even know about.

STILL NO IN-GAME INFORMATION OR TUTORIALS OF ANY SORT.

sorry, just not acceptable in the year 2010. look at the party search function. people still have no clue how to use it.
#4 Nov 18 2010 at 12:55 PM Rating: Good
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Still no in-game information or tutorials of any sort


The first main mission of the game supplies information. Also there is basic information on display at the Aetheryte Crystal at the first camp. There are leves designed to be tutorials. They are called tutorial leves.

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look at the party search function. people still have no clue how to use it


Someone made a pretty good video detailing how exactly to use the party search function.

http://www.eorzeapedia.com/2010/10/28/how-to-party-in-ffxiv/

Sorry to link to eorzepedia, I tried to find a mention of it on Zam.


To address the OP:

For people who are on the fence about the game, the updates might be enough. For people who bought the game and didn't enjoy it, it won't be enough. There's not much anyone can do but wait and see.

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#5 Nov 18 2010 at 12:57 PM Rating: Good
Obviously the November patch won't be the end all be all for this game. I think we really have to wait until all the major ones are done, which won't be until 2011. The ps3 version is going to be their salvage for this game, so we'll probably have to wait until March to find out if it will be enough. All these patches do, provided SE follows through with them, is provides players with optimism and hopefully keeps them around long enough for the next content update.
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#6 Nov 18 2010 at 12:59 PM Rating: Good
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Maybe they need more tutorials but idk how folks missed them. I never understood the gamers that play story driven games that skip cutscenes and then complain lol.

I think the updates are to reward those that are still playing and in the hopes that those ppl will in turn tell the folks they know that quit that things are better.

Im numb and just play and stick it out and hope maybe just maybe they will fix the bugs like crashing while doing leves and mob run away regen crap. Not to mention the cure stunning that happens during party play to name just a few.

I figure any content or additions and improvements are welcome. I for one have decided to just play. Ive only paid 75 bucks so far so really no reason to complain. Disappointed? Sure but not gonna complain since it has been beaten to death.
#7 Nov 18 2010 at 1:11 PM Rating: Default
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I'm going to keep playing regardless. Yes, there are a ton of issues and I have faith that alot will be fixed/addressed with the patches. We can also pretty much count on third-party stuff (i.e. windower) that will make up for SE's shortcomings. Unless of course SE brings down the legal hammer, which if they do, they're only hurting themselves.

The bad news is its 2010 and the attention span of the internet and today's mainstream gamer is 0.2 seconds. One glance, one chance, and if the game sucks its over. No second chances. No "please have patience, give us a month" nonsense. Whoever made the decision WE MUST RELEASE IN SEPTEMBER BEFORE CATACLYSM!!!11! regardless of the state of polish and completeness in the game might have put SE in a financial hole for the next few years. The fanbois and japanese will still play but FFXIV will remain a niche game.
#8 Nov 18 2010 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't think the Nov, Dec updates/patches are going to be enough to get back all the people they have already lost. Some of those people may come back to check it out. However, I believe the real 2nd wind (lol) of this game will be the PS3 launch. With a good review in the high 8's low 9's this game can make a comeback. All those who dismissed it due to reviews and word of mouth the first time may give the game a 2nd look. Those who stopped playing cause they wanted a finished product may comeback to check it out and see some old friends.

PS3 launch is the last ditch hope for this game, PC has failed and I don't see a spike in subscriptions happening till than. Those who like the game are still playing, those who hate it have left. And those not sure are still logged in because they havn't been forced to pay for service yet. The real test of Nov and Dec will be when this "new" trial period ends. They keep extending it, mostly cause I think they understand once you lose a customer it's REALLY hard to get em back. They need to keep people playing, even if that means losing money in the short term and possibly bankrupting the game.

For me Nov is the "We're sorry we ****** the pouch on the development of this game" patch. There is no "real" content. Only fixes or adjustments. In some cases such as the CTRL-R fix that seem so simple and should have came with the game on day 1 of launch. I already gave SE 3 months worth of sub costs when i started the game when I bought crystia or what ever it's called. I believe in their ability to creat a product I want to play for years. I mean **** i'm still playing FFT and FFVII on PS greatest hits on PSN. I'll be around. However, i think i'll be running around with a lot less people till PS3 release.

Also get this game on X-Box, they need the subs. There are two types of people in the U.S. X-Box users and PS users and never the twain shall meet.
#9 Nov 18 2010 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, I don't think the listed updates alone will be enough.

As for tutorials... ugh. I hate tutorials. When I log on to a new MMO I just want to run around figuring stuff out. Seriously. AND THERE ARE LOTS OF INGAME TUTORIALS. IF you want a tutorial - why not do the tutorial leves and leave those of us who don't want to be forced to do tutorials alone?
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#10 Nov 18 2010 at 1:17 PM Rating: Good
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There will need to be a good year of updates to smooth this game out. Updates break other stuff, that gets fixed. Anyone who plays FFXI knows how it goes. Plus the amount of bugs/issues/deficiencies they need to address.... its gonna take awhile.
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#11 Nov 18 2010 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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I know I'm not the only one still not playing despite being given free time. I haven't logged in since the beginning of October. It just doesn't have that "Magic" that got me hooked to FFXI. Everytime I was logged in playing FFXIV i would alt tab out and check forums rather than actually playing.
#12 Nov 18 2010 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
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There will need to be a good year of updates to smooth this game out. Updates break other stuff, that gets fixed. Anyone who plays FFXI knows how it goes. Plus the amount of bugs/issues/deficiencies they need to address.... its gonna take awhile.


Yeah... just hear what the director says:

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"For now, we'll be fixing the issues on a regular basis via the version updates we have planned in November. We'll be covering the issues we previously discussed on our website, as well as those that pop up afterwards. However, new problems are being brought up more quickly than we can deal with them. The work's definitely piling up, but we will definitely fix them all."


The work has only started. From now on, everyone can just hop on once the game gets good enough for them. For some these Christmas updates are enough. For some they need to include their March update as well. For some there needs to be at least 4 or more updates for it to become good enough.

And some will undoubtedly just stick to some other MMO instead. But that is what SE deserves for their grave mistake.
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#13 Nov 18 2010 at 1:31 PM Rating: Good
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I know I'm in the minority around here, but I have enjoyed the game with bugs included ever since the first beta. (That's not to say that I din't submit my fair-share of bug reports. Don't get the wrong idea.) So for me, as long as they don't introduce new game-breaking bugs, yes the planned updates will be enough. They've addresses every single one of my complaints between the nov and dec updates.
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#14 Nov 18 2010 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
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Will the updates be enough? Of course not. They will have to fix the issues, add some content, and then do some real advertising. Hopefully they will be able to get past this extremely difficult launch, but it's certainly not an impossible feat.

They just need to make the most of the time from now until the Ps3 releases to pack the game full of content and fix the things that players dislike the most. It might even work to their advantage if the game makes a major turnaround and the review sites experience an entirely different game from what it is right now - we'll see titles like "From Mediocre to Magnificent: the transformation of failure into legend".

Judging from Tanaka's most recent comments - sounds like he "gets it" now and we'll see the changes the game needed in enough time to save it.

And hey - my predictions about the headlines were pretty spot on for the PC release. Let's chat again in 6 months and see if I'm right again

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#15 Nov 18 2010 at 1:51 PM Rating: Good
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seriously, I get defaulted for disliking tutorials?

Gee guys give me a break. You can like them if you want - they bore me to tears.
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#16 Nov 18 2010 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
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I have looked into my crystal ball and it is very cloudy.....

ah I see now..

hmmm yes its obvious....

I should wait until after a patch before deciding if its not enough as I cant possibly tell the future.
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#17 Nov 18 2010 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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Will the updates be enough? Of course not. They will have to fix the issues, add some content, and then do some real advertising. Hopefully they will be able to get past this extremely difficult launch, but it's certainly not an impossible feat.

They just need to make the most of the time from now until the Ps3 releases to pack the game full of content and fix the things that players dislike the most. It might even work to their advantage if the game makes a major turnaround and the review sites experience an entirely different game from what it is right now - we'll see titles like "From Mediocre to Magnificent: the transformation of failure into legend".

Judging from Tanaka's most recent comments - sounds like he "gets it" now and we'll see the changes the game needed in enough time to save it.

And hey - my predictions about the headlines were pretty spot on for the PC release. Let's chat again in 6 months and see if I'm right again

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I just have a bad feeling that the reviews for PS3 are not going to be amazing. It seems pretty popular to hate on SE these days and the reviewers are showing no sympathy. I honestly cannot see SE rolling out enough content by next March to make reviewers give it higher than a one to two point increase at most, especially when Cataclysm, The Old Republic, Guild Wars 2, and other MMOs are on the horizon. For the people hoping for PS3 reviews of 8's and 9's, I just don't see it happening.
#18 Nov 18 2010 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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I just have a bad feeling that the reviews for PS3 are not going to be amazing.


Even if they aren't, they will get across the important message: SE isn't ******** around.

From 50 metascore to 70~ in a matter of 6 months? You ought to be following the game if nothing else at that point.

Especialy when that TOR isn't as good as you thought and GW2 got boring after 2 months..
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#19 Nov 18 2010 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
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I just have a bad feeling that the reviews for PS3 are not going to be amazing.


Even if they aren't, they will get across the important message: SE isn't ******** around.

From 50 metascore to 70~ in a matter of 6 months? You ought to be following the game if nothing else at that point.

Especialy when that TOR isn't as good as you thought and GW2 got boring after 2 months..


These games haven't come out yet, you cannot say whether they will or will not attract gamers. All that is known is that there will be multiple forms of competition which will affect the numbers playing FFXIV.
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I just have a bad feeling that the reviews for PS3 are not going to be amazing. It seems pretty popular to hate on SE these days and the reviewers are showing no sympathy. ....


Given that SE are managing to get interviews with most of the companies that gave them the bad reviews I think the opposite. They have openly admitted all the mistakes (something very rare in the MMO world these days) and I think because of that they are getting good publicity from these interviews discussing what they are doing next.

I think more of an issue is todays "I want it NOW" attitude to MMORPG's. There has never been a truely smooth launch with masses on content in at the start for an MMORPG.

Having played through FFXI and seen some incredible storylines and seen now the honesty of the men at the top as SE in these interviews I am confident that we are going to get the game we want eventually. I've played so many MMO's in the past where the developers just don't listen and foist upon you what they think is right (look at SWG for a classic example) or have been unable to deliver an update in time (look at Darkfall) or have just been totally slack (look at Vanguard). In my 4 years playing FFXI I only remember one really bad issue and that was the massive fights in AU and all the associate lag involved.

Yes FFXIV has been sloppy out of the gates, but you have one of the best managerial teams at the helm in terms of MMO experience and given time they will deliver.
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#21 Nov 18 2010 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I don't think the listed updates alone will be enough.

As for tutorials... ugh. I hate tutorials. When I log on to a new MMO I just want to run around figuring stuff out. Seriously. AND THERE ARE LOTS OF INGAME TUTORIALS. IF you want a tutorial - why not do the tutorial leves and leave those of us who don't want to be forced to do tutorials alone?


Indeed, I'm right there with ya. And...
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STILL NO IN-GAME INFORMATION OR TUTORIALS OF ANY SORT.
...is simply b.s. The opening mission/quest plays like a tutorial. There's TUTORIAL leves. The aetheryte gives the other info and the journal tells you what you need to do and even marks it on the map. If interested, you can read up on elemental information by checking out the books in the THM or CON guilds.

I'm actually on the opposite end of this. I think the game is stupidly easy as is and leaves me with very little sense of accomplishment. So I wonder if new content will bring more of a challenge or continue with what I've seen so far. Which is that most things are setup for you not to fail. I'm probably backwards from most people on this, but making things easier may chase me away rather than lure me in. It's an insult to any respectable gamer = P

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As someone who was stoked for this game since it was announced and participated in the beta, I was just totally let down by the launch. I expected that beta was a "bare-bones" version of the launch title but never imagined that they would implement NOTHING new. The boring gameplay only got a week of use, post-launch, out of me and I have yet to log in since. I honestly don't see this game being any fun until they release the first expansion, much in the way that XI wasn't worth anyone's time until RoZ was released (US didn't get it until that expansion was already out). These updates planned for late 10/early 11 are pathetic fixes that should have just been included in the launch. The second I find out that the service won't be free anymore I'm canceling my account because it is not worth .99 cents a month at this stage of the game. I do believe in a year or two it will be a lot of fun but frankly there's nothing to friggin' do at this point and the interface is so clumsy. Don't expect much to change in the near future if you don't already care for it. It's a shame because it has so much promise, that it will hopefully achieve sometime next year, but has yet to live up to even 1% of the hype. Here's hoping to it eventually being a good game...
#23 Nov 18 2010 at 2:54 PM Rating: Good
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As someone who was stoked for this game since it was announced and participated in the beta, I was just totally let down by the launch. I expected that beta was a "bare-bones" version of the launch title but never imagined that they would implement NOTHING new. The boring gameplay only got a week of use, post-launch, out of me and I have yet to log in since. I honestly don't see this game being any fun until they release the first expansion, much in the way that XI wasn't worth anyone's time until RoZ was released (US didn't get it until that expansion was already out). These updates planned for late 10/early 11 are pathetic fixes that should have just been included in the launch. The second I find out that the service won't be free anymore I'm canceling my account because it is not worth .99 cents a month at this stage of the game. I do believe in a year or two it will be a lot of fun but frankly there's nothing to friggin' do at this point and the interface is so clumsy. Don't expect much to change in the near future if you don't already care for it. It's a shame because it has so much promise, that it will hopefully achieve sometime next year, but has yet to live up to even 1% of the hype. Here's hoping to it eventually being a good game...


Truth, at least my schoolwork has been going well this term. I was fully expecting to not do as well in school because I would be consumed by FFXIV. However this was not the case and I actually logged off in favor of doing schoolwork haha.
#24 Nov 18 2010 at 3:12 PM Rating: Decent
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The realism behind MMOs is they take at least one year to be at a "polished" state, like it or not kiddies that's how they are. That won't change unless the devs don't have shareholers breathing down their necks to meet the next quarter.

As a long time gamer of MMOs, I know this, understand this and put up with the getting to the polished state. There is not one nor will there ever be a MMO released at a polished state. Hate to burst your bubbles, but that's a fact.

The only thing we can do is report all bugs and glitches, express to the devs in a clear and concise manner of how such and such mechanic is not very favorable, offer suggestions.

SE is finally decided to lay a solid foundation by finally listening to the players. Use the oppertunity to be constructive in improoving the game, after all we will be the ones playing it. This game sucks doesn't cut it. Instead tell them how they can improove your gaming experince.
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The game won't be fixed in a matter of three months. There is no miracle patch and there will not be one.

But 4, 5 updates like these and yes, that will be enough.

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I just get the feeling that there is no direction for this game and SE doesn't even know what it is.


2 years worth of content is planned. The first expansion is already in the works. At least 3 types of different content has been revealed to be released within 5 months.

Everything we've seen implies they know exactly what they're going to do.


Well said! SE has now given us 90 free days of play. They have also been FAR more forthcoming with information about updates, timelines, and exactly what it is they are doing to improve the game. At this point, I am extremely happy of where the game will be in a few months. It's not there yet and there could certainly be setbacks, but they have done everything in their power to fix their blunder of releasing the game too soon. Even if the game isn't "fixed" by the end of my free trial, as long as they have made some improvements and stuck to their schedule I am very willing to pay for this game. As was said, one patch won't fix the game... but it will help a lot, and the changes they have planned for even this first update will make the game so much more enjoyable already.
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#26outzaidurz, Posted: Nov 18 2010 at 3:41 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Every time I see new numbers of active playerbase diminishing even further (in this newly released MMO) and SE stock prices dropping like a stone I get a warm fuzzy and happy feeling inside my little heart.
#27 Nov 18 2010 at 3:44 PM Rating: Good
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46 000 players at launch and today it's around ~22 000 active players


Ohh i like this game!! its create reandom stats game correct?. Dont know why but this always tends to erk me. There are alot more people playing than 22,000. Please elaborate how you came to this number
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I don't understand the logic of playing an MMO at launch and complaining about a lack of content. If there's not enough to keep you busy then wait until the game is more developed. First comes bug fixes, then polish, then content.
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#29 Nov 18 2010 at 4:00 PM Rating: Good
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seriously, I get defaulted for disliking tutorials?

Gee guys give me a break. You can like them if you want - they bore me to tears.


I know, it's sad, I see people get voted down for sharing their opinion, even though it doesn't involve beating down someone elses opionion. It is too bad people can't read something and if they disagree, just accept that they don't agree and move on. Instead, some folks out there vote down others simply for not agreeing. Sad Panda :(

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#30 Nov 18 2010 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
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jtully wrote:
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Ohh i like this game!! its create reandom stats game correct?. Dont know why but this always tends to erk me. There are alot more people playing than 22,000. Please elaborate how you came to this number


I believe he got the number from here: http://busydizzys.com/index.php/2010/11/17/final-fantasy-14-so-bad-they-gave-players-a-third-free-month#more256

As to the accuracy of their chart, I have no idea.
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Current server population (logged in and playing) is very different from active player count. What I've seen on Lindblum seems to roughly be 1600-1800. I remember seeing a chart elsewhere that then stacked all of these server population counts to show "how many people are playing at a given moment", but that is not the same as "active" players since people are logging on/off all the time.

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Do I feel the updates will be enough?
They are enough to show me that they are willing to make major changes and additions to improve things exponentially.

People who just REFUSE to play the game reasons like difficult buying/selling items will play again. People who just thought there was not enough storyline/quests/content will play again. People who only have a total of 7 fingers on both hands might appreciate UI changes and play again

If you want info before you post your "thoughts"...

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=cb4dc09784bc24b4fde2e45de9f018ec5fb504d2

If no info prior to posting is wanted, at least know this...
Many more Levequests getting added
Quicker lvling to 20
More story content
More balancing
NEW item search methods

The game is still in its infancy, my money is on it turning into a solid game worst case and an awesome one at best.
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#33jasonsnow, Posted: Nov 18 2010 at 4:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Can't wait to laugh at all the fanboys when SE merges servers next year and the game will be supporting a total of 3 servers. Yea 3 live servers will be an incentive for SE to continue dumping money into this atrocity of an MMO. FFXIV will go down as one of the biggest flops ever.
#34 Nov 18 2010 at 4:28 PM Rating: Good
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The Nov and Dec updates will hopefully fix a lot of the bugs and annoying gameplay elements that many have complained about.

As for content. Looking at FFXI , SE seem to like to release content in a trickle over time.

Remember when a lot of us started FFXI it had been out 2 years. Remember when ToAU and WoTG came out, the missions and other gameplay wasnt all there from the start, it trickled in over time.

I expect the same for FFXIV, they probably have a lot of content already ready and planned behind the scenes. But they decide to feed it to us over time.

First they must make the game work and make the most basic of elements enjoyable. Like Battle, buying/selling, ease of travelling, crafting etc.

These are the things being dealt with right now. Then we will see the extra content and quests start to come in.

I'm not saying this is the right way to do things, I would love some more content right now, but this is what I believe they are doing.

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#35 Nov 18 2010 at 5:45 PM Rating: Good
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Current server population (logged in and playing) is very different from active player count. What I've seen on Lindblum seems to roughly be 1600-1800. I remember seeing a chart elsewhere that then stacked all of these server population counts to show "how many people are playing at a given moment", but that is not the same as "active" players since people are logging on/off all the time.


Thank you.. i think people are confusing average player with active accounts. If on the weekend you see 1800 people on playing you dont average that to get active accounts. you take the max and multiply by the number of servers. Also.. not the same 1800 people are playing for 24hrs straight. there are 3 different time zones.As well as not the same people play mon. - fri. And i do accept that there will be a percentage of people doing Bazaar.

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@ Jason
Aion is one of the biggest flops actually out 6mnths in NA and only got 4 US servers.
Amd that game got more content then ffxi. :)

I never seen a mmo launch great.
It being 2010 don't mean anything.
It takes to to male and test content, SE never made any mistakes actually. They just had issues, and are sorry for it.
since no one understand how mmorpg are made, I suggest look it up.
ALSO do look up the beta for ffxiv, do understand server stability issues hinder the game a tad. You can't add content if the servers keeps shutting down.
So really did they release ffxiv to early?.. no
did se make mistakes with the game?... no.
mmorpg are all trial and error. But if you don;t **** the game don;t play it simple. But also know if you stoped playing there is no reason to complain. :)
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Aion is one of the biggest flops actually out 6mnths in NA and only got 4 US servers.
Amd that game got more content then ffxi. :)

I never seen a mmo launch great.
It being 2010 don't mean anything.
It takes to to male and test content, SE never made any mistakes actually. They just had issues, and are sorry for it.
since no one understand how mmorpg are made, I suggest look it up.
ALSO do look up the beta for ffxiv, do understand server stability issues hinder the game a tad. You can't add content if the servers keeps shutting down.
So really did they release ffxiv to early?.. no
did se make mistakes with the game?... no.
mmorpg are all trial and error. But if you don;t **** the game don;t play it simple. But also know if you stoped playing there is no reason to complain. :)


Wow! lol
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Irishclass777 wrote:
@ Jason
Aion is one of the biggest flops actually out 6mnths in NA and only got 4 US servers.
Amd that game got more content then ffxi. :)

I never seen a mmo launch great.
It being 2010 don't mean anything.
It takes to to male and test content, SE never made any mistakes actually. They just had issues, and are sorry for it.
since no one understand how mmorpg are made, I suggest look it up.
ALSO do look up the beta for ffxiv, do understand server stability issues hinder the game a tad. You can't add content if the servers keeps shutting down.
So really did they release ffxiv to early?.. no
did se make mistakes with the game?... no.
mmorpg are all trial and error. But if you don;t **** the game don;t play it simple. But also know if you stoped playing there is no reason to complain. :)



This has to be a joke?

Edited, Nov 18th 2010 9:53pm by doubleax
#39 Nov 18 2010 at 9:04 PM Rating: Decent
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While the updates might eventually turn this from an objectively bad game to something good, it will never bring in the potential users who saw how mangled it was at launch and decided to forget about it. It would be a miracle if FFXIV reaches half the user base that FFXI had.
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Irishclass777 wrote:
@ Jason
Aion is one of the biggest flops actually out 6mnths in NA and only got 4 US servers.
Amd that game got more content then ffxi. :)



Actually, the point of it all flew right over your head on that one.

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I never seen a mmo launch great.


I have. Several in fact.

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It being 2010 don't mean anything.


Wrong. It means that SE has had well over 10 years of MMO's being on the market to research and digest. They also have one major MMO under their belt (FF11). What does this mean? They have the experience in making MMO's and plenty of experience in what doesn't work in an MMO. Sadly, they dont seem to want to learn.

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It takes (lost in translation comment..something about balls?) , SE never made any mistakes actually. They just had issues, and are sorry for it.


That is incorrect. They made a lot of mistakes in the design of the game itself. Gameplay and interface design is a critical factor in any MMO and SE simply made horrible mistakes here. Sorry? Of course they're sorry. They're sorry their multimillion dollar venture is going down the toilet and taking their biggest brand name product down with it. That's what they're really (REALLY) sorry about.

They can apologize and accept mistakes were made as much as they want, it does not regain trust. Words mean little, actions mean everything. So far their actions only show desperate damage control (free months) and their words, for all they're worth, are heavy with evasive answers, blame avoidance (just read the interviews with the devs and their CEO.. its dripping with it) and promising things that almost all MMO's since the 1990's have had as standard upon launch (AHs, working interface, etc).

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since no one understand how mmorpg are made, I suggest look it up.


Believe it or not, I do not need to be an architect, an engineer or a mason to know that a building that collapses on itself on its inauguration was simply not built right. An MMO like FF14 simply was not built right. It looks pretty but thats all it got for it.

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ALSO do look up the beta for ffxiv, do understand server stability issues hinder the game a tad. You can't add content if the servers keeps shutting down.


I was in the beta and yes there were software bugs and glitches.. not anywhere near as many as any other MMO i've beta tested in the past 10 years I'll give them that. The one constant complaint and feedback to SE during the entire beta was precisely about the user interface, the horrendous lack of things to do and the overall sense that all you need to do with any combat class was simply spam one or two attacks ad naseum to win a fight. All that feedback was tossed aside in favor of 'is the frog on the rock in the river S of bentbranch hovering above the rock or is it ON the rock?' reports.

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So really did they release ffxiv to early?.. no
did se make mistakes with the game?... no.


Yes, it was released at least 6 months early. We now know it was released early to pad their financial reports for the last fiscal quarter of 2010.

Yes they made big mistakes with the game. The design of it was so flawed those of us on beta from day 1 were pointing out the horrendous issues it had. When you build a game around a flawed design you get a flawed game. Hence what we have now. They can fix it probably but it will take them at least 8 months of constantly tweaking and changing the core design to do it.

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mmorpg are all trial and error.


They are massive investments and the trial and error phase is called BETA. After launch the trial and error takes place in the production of new content to keep the players hooked. SE decided to ignore the gameplay related feedback from beta players and launched the game to pad their financial reports. The result of that is what you see now: 3 free months (so far), the Final Fantasy brand name tarnished (irreparable damage) and almost guaranteed low sales of the PS3 version due to the horrendous publicity the game has received.
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Irishclass777 wrote:
@ Jason
Aion is one of the biggest flops actually out 6mnths in NA and only got 4 US servers.
Amd that game got more content then ffxi. :)


Aion is such a huge flop that it's the 2nd biggest MMORPG on the market at the moment with 3.5 million active subscribers. I've held back on responding to your horridly put together posts until now but you really should stop posting about things that you have no knowledge on.
#42 Nov 18 2010 at 9:55 PM Rating: Good
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Irishclass777 wrote:
@ Jason
Aion is one of the biggest flops actually out 6mnths in NA and only got 4 US servers.
Amd that game got more content then ffxi. :)

I never seen a mmo launch great.
It being 2010 don't mean anything.
It takes to to male and test content, SE never made any mistakes actually. They just had issues, and are sorry for it.
since no one understand how mmorpg are made, I suggest look it up.
ALSO do look up the beta for ffxiv, do understand server stability issues hinder the game a tad. You can't add content if the servers keeps shutting down.
So really did they release ffxiv to early?.. no
did se make mistakes with the game?... no.
mmorpg are all trial and error. But if you don;t **** the game don;t play it simple. But also know if you stoped playing there is no reason to complain. :)


You should do a podcast.

I want to see if you make as much sense when you talk as you do when you type.
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Not to beat a dead horse, but they released the game way way too early. Had they waited another 6 months and had all these updates in the game originally, players would have been significantly happier.
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#44 Nov 18 2010 at 11:09 PM Rating: Good
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Aion is such a huge flop that it's the 2nd biggest MMORPG on the market at the moment with 3.5 million active subscribers. I've held back on responding to your horridly put together posts until now but you really should stop posting about things that you have no knowledge on


Actually..... i think you should stop posting things you have no knowledge on. Aion has a total of 5 servers only. so your trying to tell me there are over 400 thousand people per server? Somebody bumped thier head. If you question the facts... here is a link directly to the aion site

http://na.aiononline.com/livestatus/server/#

Do the math.. there is less than 100k after how many months?
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jtully wrote:
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Aion is such a huge flop that it's the 2nd biggest MMORPG on the market at the moment with 3.5 million active subscribers. I've held back on responding to your horridly put together posts until now but you really should stop posting about things that you have no knowledge on


Actually..... i think you should stop posting things you have no knowledge on. Aion has a total of 5 servers only. so your trying to tell me there are over 400 thousand people per server? Somebody bumped thier head. If you question the facts... here is a link directly to the aion site

http://na.aiononline.com/livestatus/server/#

Do the math.. there is less than 100k after how many months?


Maybe you want to add the Korean and Chinese servers (where the biggest majority of Aion players are)as well as Taiwan and Japan, and not just the NA/EU ones before doing that math?



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I'm perfectly happy with the updates planned. It shows SE is putting things right and setting the stage for future content to be added. What we need to do as a community, however, is to dispel the bad press a little and ease off on the flames to give them half a chance to get this working.

I guarantee you when the PS3 version is released, the biggest deterrent won't be the game itself but the endless complaints levied at the game. It's a bit like going on a blind date. If you are told your date is ugly, you might think twice about going with them. If you're told your date is drop-dead gorgeous, you get all the more enthusiastic about it.

SE are doing what they can to give players something to look forward to and now it's our turn to do the same. By focusing more on what they're doing right as opposed to what they've done wrong we can move forward and support the game as it blossoms into the great MMO we all know it can be.
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#47 Nov 18 2010 at 11:40 PM Rating: Good
The minute China is involved in an MMO, all the numbers go out the window.
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#48 Nov 19 2010 at 12:05 AM Rating: Good
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I think the November and December updates will make those of us still playing happier. They may bring back some of the people who took a break from the game, but most likely won't bring back those who went as far as uninstalling and/or selling their game.
#49 Nov 19 2010 at 1:02 AM Rating: Default
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Irishclass777 wrote:
@ Jason
Aion is one of the biggest flops actually out 6mnths in NA and only got 4 US servers.
Amd that game got more content then ffxi. :)

I never seen a mmo launch great.
It being 2010 don't mean anything.
It takes to to male and test content, SE never made any mistakes actually. They just had issues, and are sorry for it.
since no one understand how mmorpg are made, I suggest look it up.
ALSO do look up the beta for ffxiv, do understand server stability issues hinder the game a tad. You can't add content if the servers keeps shutting down.
So really did they release ffxiv to early?.. no
did se make mistakes with the game?... no.
mmorpg are all trial and error. But if you don;t **** the game don;t play it simple. But also know if you stoped playing there is no reason to complain. :)


A shining example of the illiteracy rampant in our American education system.
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I feel that while the updates will help turn the tide, it's a little late to get back most of the people that quit. However, it's possible that the PS3 launch will save the game. Remember not everyone was able to afford upgrading their PC and had no choice but to wait. If the game can rebound and get enough people talking(this game is da' bomb) it's possible SE can salvage the game. If they can't, look at FFXIV to merge servers and probably be the last MMO by SE. It really all depends on how good these updates are, but it's too early to say at this point. I'd say SE has a 50/50 shot right now. Although it's a safer bet to believe FFXI will outlast FFXIV because of the horrible launch. It's going to be very difficult to get most of the people to come back after the launch disaster.
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outzaidurz wrote:

STILL NO IN-GAME INFORMATION OR TUTORIALS OF ANY SORT.


This kind of hand holding being expected is concerning me. It seems to be such a trival thing doing the same thing most of us do and work of trial and error. It's called having a sense of adventure.

Experience, is the best teacher.
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