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#1 Nov 19 2010 at 8:11 AM Rating: Decent
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I started to look into FFXIV sometime early last year when i was browsing the web looking for the next games i'd like to get. When I first saw that they were releasing this FF so close to 13 i was stoked. Ever since then i've been looking forward to this game and to be honest the game has far surpassed my expectations.
This is the first MMO that i've ever played. I've seen my roomates play quite a few others especially WoW and just never took an interest. The thought of having a community online made no sense to me. I've been playing games since the NES and can't say i've ever wanted to share the experience. I thought to myself though that maybe it would be worth giving it a try. When i finally upgraded my computer and received the preordered CE i was so excited to get home and play. Only to find out that i was going to spend the next 15 hours downloading updates. But hey, that stuff happens and i wasn't going to freak out yet. When i started the game i was blown away by the character customization and opening scene. The graphics were truly amazing and i immediately felt immersed in the world.
After all the nice new car smell started to where off two hours later i was starting to get frustrated though. not understanding the point of running around aimlessly killing rats and moles for hours. buying starter tools only to be so bored with crafting and mining i wanted to quit immediately. But i kept playing through the BS thinking to myself all games get more entertaining the higher your level. So i buckled down for the long hall and was leveling my character as a Pugilist. by the end of the first month before the announcement of the free trial i had almost given up on the game as a whole. i had almost completely quit unless there wasn't anything to do otherwise and wasn't tired enough to fall asleap yet.
I've always read forums though and considered myself based on what everyone else was saying, more than happy with the game comparatively speaking. Me and my roomate had decided though that we were going to quit playing before they started charging us money to be bored. That day i read that they were extending the free trial and start preparing some amazing updates. Needless to say that this restored some of the excitement i had fealt in the begining. I fealt as though SE was really going to turn things around.
Reality set in though. not much was going to be happening soon and i needed something to keep me going in the game.
I had only played the game solo up to this point and decided it was time i started talking to other people in game. I mean that is the whole point of playing an mmo when you get down to it. so i did. and the first person i met is now one of my best friends in the game. it didn't stop their either. in a matter of two weeks i gained more than thirty friends. i joined two linkshells. i started to join parties nearly every night. i was leveling at a pace that seemed near impossible when i started. which meant i was doing storyline quests that kept me interested. now i'm competing with a lot of my buddies online to see who can max rank first.
When i look back on my first month give or take a week I realize i didn't know what this game was about and why it would be enjoyable. It's the community of people that you surround yourself with in the game. I like to think that i make the game fun for those around me and i know they make it fun for me. This mmo is brand new and i had no idea what to expect and although i still find the game to be a little boring from time to time. i recognize that as i grow in the game the game is going to grow as well. Now i know i don't understand all the aspects that make an mmo great but i do know that as an mmo newb this game has a great base for new mmo players to start on. veteran gamers i feel have come to expect too much from the very begining just as i have with console RPG's.
A large portion of this games community has no clue how to form their own oppinion and often times just jump on the bandwaggon with all the people out there endlessly complaining. I just wanted to let everyone know that of all the people i have talked to who have quit playing the majority of them have quit because around every corner they turn there is someone spouting BS about how terrible the game is and the million some odd reasons there is that it is terrible. I often times walk into a camp and see conversations going on about how angry someone is about this part of the game or that.
This game would be a lot more enjoyable if people who didn't have something good to say would just STFU and let everyone else enjoy it

Just the opinion of a Newb but i feel a valid point nonetheless albeit poorly expressed and written.
Thanx for suffering through this wall of Text

Nami Mugiwara
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#2 Nov 19 2010 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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#3 Nov 19 2010 at 8:16 AM Rating: Decent
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probably shouldn't have written a thread directly before going to bed at 9AM
bad first attempt
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#4 Nov 19 2010 at 8:24 AM Rating: Good
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A lot of people have been saying they enjoy the community or they enjoy crafting or they enjoy something about the game despite its flaws.

The problem a lot of other people have with that is that you shouldn't have to find a reason to enjoy the game in the first place. You shouldn't have to work around so many flaws just to be able to enjoy a game.

Now don't get me wrong, you shouldn't be spiteful and take your anger or frustration out on people who do enjoy the game either. I'm glad you found a way to have fun in the game for now. I hope to in the future, but for now I've stopped playing so that I don't become bitter later.
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#5 Nov 19 2010 at 8:31 AM Rating: Good
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A large portion of this games community has no clue how to form their own oppinion and often times just jump on the bandwaggon with all the people out there endlessly complaining.


I like that line...and could be said about people in general these days...
Really that's getting into telling people to change the way they are though. A nice idea, but it's not gonna happen...

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This game would be a lot more enjoyable if people who didn't have something good to say would just STFU and let everyone else enjoy it


True, but that won't happen either. And censorship sucks...
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#6 Nov 19 2010 at 8:33 AM Rating: Decent
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I agree completely. If you don't like the game, then stop playing and leave. Trying to ruin the game for everyone else is childish, spiteful and plain irritating >_<
#7 Nov 19 2010 at 9:04 AM Rating: Good
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In the future, please use the enter/return key much more liberally, whitespace helps with the digestion of large amounts of information.

Thank you for bolding your thesis though.

I will just echo TwistedOwl, as they said everything I could say in response to this post. It's true - it won't happen - &c.
#8 Nov 19 2010 at 8:45 PM Rating: Good
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Heya!

Nice sentiments. I hope you copy that post and save it somewhere to look at after a few years or so, when (hopefully, if you learn to dig MMOs) you are a battle-hardened MMO veteran. I remember when I first started playing MMOs (MUDs really, same thing, text-only though) and your words sounded a lot like how I felt back then...
Then I got experienced, MMOs came around and I switched to them, and eventually I got cynical and jaded and elitist...
I could have used help remembering things like "community" and "fun" and the perspective of a newbie around then.
Instead, I just started ruining every game for myself, nitpicking the flaws rather than appreciating the good points, and just grinding myself into an angry mess, and away from friends and fun.
Then I figured out my problem was me and my attitude and not the games...
I came to FFXIV with a better attitude and (almost like a reborn-newbie) I see some of the same things you do, and I'm back to truly enjoying MMOs again.

So keep the positive attitude, have fun, and here's to your future veteran-ship!! Cheers!

#9 Nov 19 2010 at 9:01 PM Rating: Good
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yeah, your first mmo is always really fun. My first was ffxi. I still enjoy this one a lot. But your first experiences and memories of your first mmo will be your best. Eventually they seem to turn into a hardcore grindfest of work on endgame events. (unless of course you just stay in a little social shell) but still, it's pretty fun.
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#10 Nov 20 2010 at 1:12 AM Rating: Decent
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stuff can happen if people stop thinking it won't.
Be apart of the solution not the issue. :) Do your part.
report ppl who are hostile and rude. You can make a difference if you try.
It just takes 1. Look @ the civil rights movement, the woman rights movement they got told nothing would change, they foight for it and change happen.
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#11 Nov 20 2010 at 1:04 PM Rating: Good
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I don't listen to the haters. I was there when FFXI first came out for NA players. It was crap then too. And I played for 6 years, met the father of my son on it and overall loved the experience. I agree this game lacks some substance but I also know that SE will fix it and add more content. People get their panties in a wad when their fix for instant gratification isn't there.

I love playing MMO's for the commmunity. This one isn't as social yet. But if you are in a LS that makes up for where the rest lacks.
I personally like leveling crafts. I don't have to rush to level like a lot of people are doing. I have yet to reach fatigue in any of my jobs. I enjoy the slow pace and anticipate the updates to come. I'm getting the impression that the game will remain free until they live up to the expectations of their consumers. Which speaks volumes. Yeah I know, we're playing the beta, but still. They are losing a lot of money letting us play for free while they do what is needed. I give them kudos for that!

Edited for typos!

Edited, Nov 20th 2010 11:05am by XxRhyaxX
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#12 Nov 20 2010 at 2:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Irishclass777 wrote:
stuff can happen if people stop thinking it won't.
Be apart of the solution not the issue. :) Do your part.
report ppl who are hostile and rude. You can make a difference if you try.
It just takes 1. Look @ the civil rights movement, the woman rights movement they got told nothing would change, they fought for it and change happen.


They also complained, and raised a **** of a fuss over the issues they saw with the government to get what they wanted. You can bet there were plenty of men in the US who disagreed and said, "Bah, things are just fine the way they are. Sure there are a few problems with the system, but overall it's a great country and I'm happy!"

A lot of the upcoming changes will do wonders to improve the game play and general quality of play for FFXIV. None of them would be happening let alone this early if a HUGE wave of negativity did not slam SE in the face. Is some of it unwarranted? Sure, but to put all the negativity on the boards off as just "hate" and to say that FFXIV is a great game that DOES NOT need to be improved at all is just blissful ignorance.

It may sound funny, but the people who "hate" something to the point where they will not tolerate it are the people who will make the game better in the long run. Improving the game will cause less people to hate it which will lead to more positive things to say. The people who love the game like the OP will learn to love it even more. The people who like the game, but are frustrated, like myself, will become less frustrated and happier. And finally, the people who just hate the game and try to incite rageposts will eventually lose their power as there are less sparks to light their fires.
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#13 Nov 20 2010 at 4:45 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree to a point... I do feel there is excessive complaining, but without those complainers we wouldn't be getting the fixes that are coming our way.I love this game despite its flaws and have only said good things about the game to my friends except the game does need some improvements to certain aspects.I strongly believe that the complainers are a necessary evil to improving the game...I just wish it could be toned down a little or kept to a single thread or forum so those that don't want to sift through pages of complaints don't have to.
#14 Nov 20 2010 at 6:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I appreciate all of the possotive feedback i've received from my first real thread. Honestly i thought i was going to get flamed quite a bit for how poorly i put across my thoughts and for the viewpoint i took.

I do agree that complaining and CONSTRUCTIVE CRITCISM do help the game out in it's own special way when delivered through the correct channels. The main point i was trying to make through this thread was that i do understand why many people would dislike the game and why you would quit or complain frequently, as i myself also nearly quit and qas quite upset when i started.

The problem i've had since my renewed love of the game is that i've heard well too many people in game complaining almost constantly. I also believe that there are too many people attacking others for enjoying the game. I understand that the game isn't perfect and i hope for constant improvements over the years of playing. It just at times gets quite bothersome constantly having to defend yourself for having an opinion.

I'd like to see more posts like the ones i've seen on this thread. posts that have hope and optimism for the future.
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#15 Nov 20 2010 at 9:55 PM Rating: Good
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XxRhyaxX wrote:
They are losing a lot of money letting us play for free while they do what is needed. I give them kudos for that!


Yeah, no joke... when I told my friend who works on the business side of an electronics company he was astounded. He roughly estimated (in like a minute, and he admittedly wished he had more info) that each month of free play costs them 2.5 million USD... let alone the overtime they are probably paying those poor overworked coders who didn't get to choose the release date to begin with.
Makes me wonder how coffee and energy drink companies in Japan are doing... and makes me want to go get a Monster. :P
#16 Nov 20 2010 at 9:59 PM Rating: Decent
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If SE is truly a Japanese company, I wouldn't put too much hope in workers getting paid much, if anything for overtime. But I do give them serious props for doing what needs to be done.

Edited, Nov 20th 2010 11:00pm by ThePacster
#17 Nov 20 2010 at 11:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I love how ppl say the complainers and haters are fixing this game, and nothing would happen othrwise. That is a bit write and wrong. SE knows stuff they need to add and in truth, its the positive "complainers, who are fixing this game. If at all. There are 2 forms of complaints positive and negative. SE don't really care for quiters, nor any other company. Want to help the game? play report feedback daily. Make suggestions daily. Don;t add venmon to those either. If you want the game to be a success don;t quit. That is against what you want. If you quit you lost hope. And hopeless banter isn't improving this game, not in a long shot. Playing and being positive with feedback and suggestions are what helps.
example of venom: this game suck you need to add an AH now!! i quit otherwise!!
example of non venom: this game's community econamy is not working out, maybe it would be wise to add An Auction house sooner rather then later.
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#18 Nov 21 2010 at 12:01 AM Rating: Decent
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and the reason quiting isn't helping, is how can a game succed if no one plays it? Try to get ppl to play, more ppl who play and send feed back on the same thing, the faster stuff is fixed. Why do you think WoW is well made? More ppl play it and send feed back on the same issue.
So again quiting is really counter productive. If you just don't like the game and quit, then shouldn't complain about it. You no longer play why should it matter to you? So you spent 50-75 on the game, so did I. I was just unlucky enough to be unable to play it on my pc. If i was able to lend my voice to help the game I would :3
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#19 Nov 21 2010 at 12:17 AM Rating: Default
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A large portion of this games community has no clue how to form their own oppinion and often times just jump on the bandwaggon with all the people out there endlessly complaining.

that tells you alot about the people doing it. this might be all they have in life, cuz they must have a ****** one if they stick around something they hate and try to force it off on you. i play another another mmo and hate it i dont play it no more and clean my hands of it.
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